Compass Innovator 33 Toe Rail Extrusions

[stewart.boyd]

We have just purchased a Compass Innovator 33. unfortunately, the toe rails need to be replaced due to electrolysis, corrosion and collision damage. We believe they may have been manufactured at Condell Park; however, the company, although still listed in the Yellow Pages is not operating.

If anybody knows where We might obtain new toe rails, it would be much appreciated.

[Mando C29]

Stewart,

I am having similar issues with my Compass 29 and I reckon the chances of getting an original extrusion are just about zero!! (I hope I'm wrong)

A couple of things to be aware of, I'm led to believe that the earlier boats were stuck together with blue asbestos so be careful when cutting,drilling,grinding etc.

Secondly,if you CAN pull it out the top may come away from the bottom so some sort of positioning jig may be the order of the day. I considered using a timber alternative (what wood I haven't yet decided) and have it molded to the correct shape!! If you locate a aluminium co that does an extrusion , can you please let me know.

Good luck,

Regards,

Maurice Kuter. 

[Mulloka - Woodford Bay]

Try

http://www.ullrich.com.au/marine1.php

H

[Admin]

I got some from Alan Guille a while back.

 

Phone 0438 333 183

 

Colin

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[rajcruiser]

Hi Stewart, great see another C33 on the forum.  My boat has corroded toerails too so a common problem.  I have heard a range of opinions on the need to replace them or not.  One engineer I met encouraged tme o try to clean out all corrosion and treat with some corrosion inhibitor, not pretty but a lot easier than replacement.  He had done a lot of research on electrolosis etc and reckoned that this was worth a try. 

 

Cheers

 

Roger

[Peter]

Stewart,

 

This may help or hinder, I have a mate in SA who has a Davidson 34. The boat had teak toe rails, looked magnificent but were a nightmare to maintain. His solution was to obtain  4 lengths of Aluminum extrusion as close a match as he could, then had the manufacturer cut part of it away ( a lip if I remember correctly)  so that it would fit to his deck. Then had the lengths re-anodised. It was a few years ago, and unfortunately he cannot remember who he got it from, but it was from someone in Botany. May be an option if you cannot get an exact fit.

 

If you want I have some photos of his boat that show the finished job.

 

Regards

Peter

[stewart.boyd]

Hi all,

Thank you for all your responses and I apologise for the late reply. I had difficulty signing back into the forum; a case of two Google identities!

What I have found out is that Mr Guille is no longer in business although his number is still listed in the Yellow Pages.
None of the Ullrich Aluminium toe rails match the Compass profile as it has a square channel section that totally encloses the hull/deck seam. I suspect that this may be required for structural reasons. Perhaps Don could clarify if this is the case.

In respect to the corrosion this could be corrected with white vinegar and re- assembly with Durolac; however, the corrosion has gone completely through the toe rail in a couple of places.

i will keep hunting!

[Admin]

I initially found Allan Guille by asking yacht manufacturers who they got to supply their toe rails.

Maybe you could ask some of them?

Colin

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Subject: Re: Compass Innovator 33 Toe Rail Extrusions

[Maeling]

It just occurred to me that you might have the toerails with the C section base. It was not a commercial section.

Compass' evolved how to do the hull/deck joint. I suspect the Innovator used the same method as the late C29s.  The inside of the joint is bogged together with a tremendously strong polyesther/blue asbestos putty. It is entirely safe but be aware of it before you ever start grinding it (even then I suspect the asbestos fibres have been changed by the resin).  Also can I warn against screwing large self tappers into it. It is hard/brittle and will crack out.

Compasses the left a 20mm flange sticking out and the c section covered it top and bottom. It is only semi-structural.

Could an aluminium welder repair it economically?

Last resort in Australian Yachtsman, I listed the last builders of the C29s you might see if warren Hollis or Compass Pools (Ian) still own the die. Then there would be a minimum order in kilos to pull the rails through.

Like you I killed my corrosion solved the problem and have had no further issues.

Geoff Raebel

[stewart.boyd]

You are absolutely correct Geoff. They do have the C section base and therein lies the problem of finding a suitable replacement. Sheerline Marine have a section that may do the job; however, it has a curved C section base. I have looked at the Goiot range and the only one that comes close is the 823 but that is meant for yachts 45ft and over.

I am going to contact Compass Pools just in case the die is still in their possession. Sheerline advised that they could replicate the correct section; however, the die cost alone would be in the vicinity of $7000 plus GST!

Crest Aluminium in the USA are another company that advertise an ability to manufacture custom toe rails, also.

[Maeling]

Just to make you green with envy.  I looked up the original purchase contract for Maeling today.  In 1981 I paid $167 for  PAIR OF TOERAILS

Geoff Raebel

[stewart.boyd]

Thanks Geoff! The cheapest toe rail so far will see us out of pocket more than $2000. A French option, (Goiot 823) would amount to $3600 just for the rails!

I am still weighing up the options and renaming our yacht "Money Pit"!

[Maeling]

Lynne Just suggested we swap your 33 for our 29 with $167 toerails!

On the side, one member said he had a set of teak toerails machined up for his boat, probably less that $3600

Geoff Raebel