Screencasts update

[Lorin Tackett]

I went ahead and scrapped the overly goofy screencast script I was
throwing around a couple weeks ago. It got REALLY quiet on the
screencast thread. I figure you guys were being nice by not telling me
it was made of cheese. =D

In the interest of just getting the "five minute" video done, rewrote
it more typical screencasty. New script is a little dryer, but
certainly not unwatchable. Got the demo code written and if it weren't
for my roommate being asleep, i'd be recording the audio track right
now. =)

There should be something to watch on Saturday or so...

-Lorin

[Nathan Weizenbaum]

Awesome! Is this the Compass + Sass screencast? I'd love to get a Sass screencast in a very prominent place on the new homepage, but I'd like it to be very short - ideally under a minute, although that may not be feasible. Just going over the main selling points: nesting, variables, and mixins.

[Lorin Tackett]

It's probably going to be closer to 6 minutes. And yes, I send the viewer through Sass Bootcamp. Recorded some of the audio this morning, still not super happy with the last half's flow or the explanation of Sass syntax.

A quick super-rough of the audio. Edited most of the fuckups out of it.

http://lorintackett.com/compass/compass_sass_cast_rough.mp3

I could do one for Sass syntax if I had the right script. I'm trying not to be verbose, when in actuality I'm a very verbose person. LOL. Wanna throw me a few words, Nathan? I may be able to bang it out this weekend as well.

-Lorin

[Nathan Weizenbaum]

Oh, jeez, I'm so busy this weekend with FutureRuby and gearing up for 2.2.1 that I doubt I'll be able to. Hopefully after Monday I will, though!

[Lorin Tackett]

I'll see what I can come up with copy from sass-lang.com

Oh, forgot to mention. I eff'd up the url for sass-lang.com in the audio.. I said .org, D'oh! Will fix in next pass

-Lorin

[Noel]

Lorin,

Do you have the script for this somewhere? maybe we can work on
different versions of it
* Compass + Sass
* Sass only

-Noel

[Lorin Tackett]

Compass + Sass script in a gist..
http://gist.github.com/144755

Feel free to use other collaborative editing platforms, that's just to
get the content to you.

[Noel]

I put it on Etherpad and started some editing....

Think there are things that could be shortened to make it < 6 minutes.

http://etherpad.com/vkHnMgQve4

Join in

[Chris Eppstein]

Looks like it's shaping up nicely. Is it longer or shorter than it was now?

[Noel]

I removed some things and added others. We need to rerecord it and see. Once we are happy with the script that is.  

Sent from my iPhone

[Lorin Tackett]

Slightly better version of the audio got recorded yesterday. I started the video, but it's too rough to show off yet.

http://lorintackett.com/compass/compass_cast_rough_2.mp3

The audio is exactly 7 minutes long start-to-finish with the new script.

-Lorin

[Noel]

Pretty nice. You have a good speaking voice for this.

I don't think 7 minutes is that bad. a lot better than 1hr :)

Only things I wonder are:
- will people get turned off by the line # comments in the CSS
- should we mention something about the fact that you dont need to run
the watch command if you are using it in rails

[Chris Eppstein]

Agreed. 7 min seems ok to me and Lorin, has a much better voice than I do.

line comments can and should be off for the demo.

I'm not worried about the rails folks... they're a smart bunch and will assume that standalone mode means that you're not using the ruby-to-ruby integration of compass.

Awesome work, Lorin, I can't wait to see the finished product.

chris

[Chris Eppstein]

One more thing. If it's not too much trouble, could you add some credits at the end giving props to:

Hampton Catlin (Creator of Sass)

Nathan Weizenbaum (Maintainer of Sass)

You and Noel for your work on the screencast.

Thanks,

Chris

[Lorin Tackett]

What? You don't want any credit for pimping Compass out? You're so modest. =P

-Lorin

[Chris Eppstein]

You can't install it without seeing my name. So whatever :-P If you want to put me in the list, that's cool.

[Lorin Tackett]

Thanks, I guess two years in call-center hell paid off. =)

I like the flow of this script, big thanks to Chris and Noel for the heady rewriting help! Superb. 

I don't think it's necessary to explain debugging mode. Actually, the default output for standalone is :compact anyway, so it's really superfluous information for the cast IMO. Most rails guys should be happy about debug mode being the default. I know I am. Makes Firebug that much more useful.

I think configging for deployment and production should probably be a wiki page though. I don't really wanna write it, I'm not the best person for that anyway, I'm a front-end guy and not really a hardcore rails dev. Does SASS already have different behavior in production? IE: render-on-cap instead of render-on-pageload?

-Lorin

[Lorin Tackett]

I can put your name in parens if you like... (Chris Eppstein - as if you haven't seen his name a g'zillion times already)

Noel, what's your last name? I can't exactly use Whatwouldyoudoifyouweredrunk as your last name. Drunk? Dead? Dancing? What DOES that last D stand for anyway? Hm.. that almost sounds like a band name. The Dead Dancing Drunks.

OK, whatever, it's been a long day. Hah

-Lorin

[Chris Eppstein]

With line comments on, I'm sure some people will say "yuck, I don't want that in my css" and with them off some people will say "but, how will I ever debug my css?". I don't know the relative proportion of the two, but I think line comments detract from the demo itself.

In rails, sass defaults to different settings based on the environment, but you can set them yourself. In production there are two common configurations: 1) compile at rails boot, 2) compile at deploy time. At caring.com we do #2. If you compile at deploy, you must turn off sass checking for compilation when the first request is performed using the :never_update option.

None of this needs to be mentioned in the video tho.

Chris

[Lorin Tackett]

Right, it was a bit OT. I was talking in terms of my curiosity, not in the context of the demo.

-Lorin

[Noel]

haha, it's
Noel Gomez

the gmail account was just something I set up to keep group email out
of my standard email which is noel_gomez on yahoo :)

[Lorin Tackett]

*makes hissing noise at Yahoo*

haha, alrighty. Consider yourself credited.

-Lorin

[Noel]

So can we play some video trickery and just have comments off and not
mention anything?

One of the things we were trying to get to was full circle to the CSS
shown at the start of the video and that would not have the comments.
I think we want to show that Compass gets you there faster and is more fun

[Nathan Weizenbaum]

One thing: could I be credited as "Lead Developer"?

[Lorin Tackett]

Dammit, Nathan... I already put you down as His Almighty Sassyness.. are you really gunna make me re-render the credits, man?

[Nathan Weizenbaum]

You just use whatever you want, Lorin.

[Noel_g]

Lorin,

Was wondering how this was coming along?

Need help with anything?

-Noel

On Jul 13, 10:35 pm, Lorin Tackett <lorin.tack...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dammit, Nathan... I already put you down as His Almighty Sassyness..  
> are you really gunna make me re-render the credits, man?
>
> On Jul 13, 2009, at 10:25 PM, Nathan Weizenbaum wrote:
>
>
>
> > One thing: could I be credited as "Lead Developer"?
>

> > > On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 9:12 PM, Lorin Tackett <lorin.tack...@gmail.com

> > >> On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 8:49 PM, Noel <wwydi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >>> Pretty nice.  You have a good speaking voice for this.
>
> > >>> I don't think 7 minutes is that bad.  a lot better than 1hr :)
>
> > >>> Only things I wonder are:
> > >>> - will people get turned off by the line # comments in the CSS
> > >>> - should we mention something about the fact that you dont need  
> > to run
> > >>> the watch command if you are using it in rails
>

> > >>> On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 8:40 PM, Lorin Tackett<lorin.tack...@gmail.com

>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>> > Slightly better version of the audio got recorded yesterday. I  
> > started
> > >>> > the
> > >>> > video, but it's too rough to show off yet.
> > >>> >http://lorintackett.com/compass/compass_cast_rough_2.mp3
> > >>> > The audio is exactly 7 minutes long start-to-finish with the new
> > >>> > script.
> > >>> > -Lorin
> > >>> > On Jul 10, 2009, at 5:27 PM, Noel wrote:
>
> > >>> > I removed some things and added others. We need to rerecord it  
> > and see.
> > >>> > Once
> > >>> > we are happy with the script that is.
>
> > >>> > Sent from my iPhone
> > >>> > On Jul 10, 2009, at 5:12 PM, Chris Eppstein  
> > <ch...@eppsteins.net>
> > >>> > wrote:
>
> > >>> > Looks like it's shaping up nicely. Is it longer or shorter  
> > than it was
> > >>> > now?
>

> > >>> > On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Noel <wwydi...@gmail.com>  

> > wrote:
>
> > >>> >> I put it on Etherpad and started some editing....
>
> > >>> >> Think there are things that could be shortened to make it < 6  
> > minutes.
>
> > >>> >>http://etherpad.com/vkHnMgQve4
>
> > >>> >> Join in
>
> > >>> >> On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 12:51 PM, Lorin

> > >>> >> Tackett<lorin.tack...@gmail.com>

> > >>> >> wrote:
>
> > >>> >> > Compass + Sass script in a gist..
> > >>> >> >http://gist.github.com/144755
>
> > >>> >> > Feel free to use other collaborative editing platforms,  
> > that's just
> > >>> >> > to
> > >>> >> > get the content to you.
>
> > >>> >> > On Jul 10, 2009, at 12:39 PM, Noel wrote:
>
> > >>> >> >> Lorin,
>
> > >>> >> >> Do you have the script for this somewhere?  maybe we can  
> > work on
> > >>> >> >> different versions of it
> > >>> >> >> * Compass + Sass
> > >>> >> >> * Sass only
>
> > >>> >> >> -Noel
>
> > >>> >> >> On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Lorin

> > >>> >> >> Tackett<lorin.tack...@gmail.com

> > >>> >> >> > wrote:
> > >>> >> >>> I'll see what I can come up with copy from sass-lang.com
> > >>> >> >>> Oh, forgot to mention. I eff'd up the url for sass-
> > lang.com in the
> > >>> >> >>> audio.. I
> > >>> >> >>> said .org, D'oh! Will fix in next pass
> > >>> >> >>> -Lorin
> > >>> >> >>> On Jul 10, 2009, at 12:12 PM, Nathan Weizenbaum wrote:
>
> > >>> >> >>> Oh, jeez, I'm so busy this weekend with FutureRuby and  
> > gearing up
> > >>> >> >>> for 2.2.1
> > >>> >> >>> that I doubt I'll be able to. Hopefully after Monday I  
> > will,
> > >>> >> >>> though!
>
> > >>> >> >>> On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Lorin Tackett

> > >>> >> >>> <lorin.tack...@gmail.com

> > >>> >> >>>> <lorin.tack...@gmail.com

[Lorin Tackett]

Finally coming up for air and checking my email.

Yes, I could really use some help. Can you capture some of the
terminal / text editing sequences? Don't worry about getting the
timing perfect. Share it with me however you like, I could put up a
subdomain to host our media while we build these too.

-Lorin

[Noel]

I thought we should try to get this going again, and in an effort to
get the ball rolling, I created a demo site we can use with 3
versions. I used Staticmatic for this.

plain html
blueprint version
compass version

http://github.com/noel/compass-screencast-site

I also created a few slides which we mentioned in the script we had here:

http://etherpad.com/vkHnMgQve4

Keynote in repo above

I am sure what I did can be optimized, but it's a start.

I don't have any good screen capture software or I would do that as well.

-Noel

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