Tru64 licenses
starnix
media and have it installed but I'm limited in what I can do without
any licenses. I've contacted HP about this and I was directed to
someone who could supposedly help but I haven't heard back in a couple
of weeks now.
It doesn't seem like I can buy a hobby license from HP anymore, nor
can I get one from HP in any manner. Anyone know how I can get
licenses
in order to play with it, unencumbered?
Cheers
Hans Vlems
The ugly truth is that the hobbyist programme for Tru64 was more
expensive at $100 than for VMS.
As long as it existed, that is.
That's the bad news. Send me an email and we'll see what happens.
Hans
Kari Uusimäki
Doesn't HP sell Tru64 licenses anymore?
There is another way to get a license "legally". When you buy an Alpha,
you should get the operating system (tru64unix or OpenVMS) along with
it. Then you just need to file a license transfer with HP and then you
are the new "legal" owner of the license.
Unfortunately, the hobbyist license program was ended about two years ago.
Regards,
Kari
Hans Vlems
Kari,
you've given the OP the correct answer. However, the system is
intended for hobbyist use and the OP will probably somewhat reluctant
to pay HP license prices....
Hans
starnix
It doesn't seem like they sell them. At least the people I've been
put into
contact with don't seem interested in doing so as I get no response.
I'll look into the transfer path but it seems like a black hole at HP
at the
moment.
Thanks!
Michael Kraemer
> It doesn't seem like they sell them. At least the people I've been
> put into
> contact with don't seem interested in doing so as I get no response.
>
> I'll look into the transfer path but it seems like a black hole at HP
> at the
> moment.
No surprise here, according to HP's web site
Tru64 will be out of support end 2012,
so even if you shell out $$$, HP wouldn't
sell you licenses.
But you could use the builtin OSFUSR license
to play a little bit with the system under "root".
starnix
Hi Michael,
Yeah, that's exactly what I've been doing. It's just a little
annoying that I can't do things like increase the size of the
logical volume (it only allocated a small percentage of the available
space during the install).
It's not a big deal, it's just for my personal collection. Maybe
HP will release free licenses once it's completely EOL'd.
Cheers
Martin
> No surprise here, according to HP's web site
> Tru64 will be out of support end 2012
I believe you have misinterpreted the support statement on the web
site. Tru64 UNIX will end full (Engineering) support at the end of
2012, yes. But Mature Product Support will continue after that date;
there will just be no further code changes or version updates after
2012. See the support statement at http://h30097.www3.hp.com/external_letter_2010.pdf
for details.
> so even if you shell out $$$, HP wouldn't
> sell you licenses.
This is not the case.
Martin
starnix
> > No surprise here, according to HP's web site
> > Tru64 will be out of support end 2012
>
> I believe you have misinterpreted the support statement on the web
> site. Tru64 UNIX will end full (Engineering) support at the end of
> 2012, yes. But Mature Product Support will continue after that date;
> there will just be no further code changes or version updates after
> for details.
>
> > so even if you shell out $$$, HP wouldn't
> > sell you licenses.
>
> This is not the case.
>
> Martin
Hi Martin,
I'm not sure what you feel that proves regarding licenses. In theory
they do
still sell licenses but it's at the very least not too easy to
acquire.
Offering support packages for something doesn't necessarily mean that
you
still sell licenses for it although I would imagine that's usually the
case. I'll
keep poking around and see if I can get something legal and valid
although
I imagine it's pointless since I won't spend too much for licenses for
a $150 dollar
machine that has no business use.
Cheers
Steven Schweda
> [...] I'll
> keep poking around and see if I can get something legal and valid
> although
> I imagine it's pointless since I won't spend too much for licenses for
> a $150 dollar
> machine that has no business use.
About four years ago, I sent in a request for a free C++
license to go with the (plain) C license (OSF-DEV?) which was
included in the Non-Commercial Tru64 package. I was told that
"We no longer provide a hobbyist license for Tru64 UNIX." I
never got any help with C++, but someone did send me a fresh
Non-Commercial Tru64 package (at no charge). I wouldn't
depend on it now (and less every day), but you could get
lucky (if you ever do get a response). For more information,
you might try to send me some e-mail.
I paid not only the $99, but I believe that I also paid $49
(each) for at least a couple of updates over the years. On
the bright side, the Tru64 PAKs don't expire annually, as the
VMS hobbyist PAKs do. (Tru64 itself may expire, however.
Interest in it does seem to be declining.)
starnix
someone who
even know what an alpha server or tru64 was... That was a fruitless
exercise in
frustration.
Good stuff. :P
Kari Uusimäki
Depressing. Even though Tru64 is EOL.
If you like, I can check the list price for a license.
We do resell HP licenses where I work.
I assume your Alpha is a smaller one and a workgroup class license would
be enough?
Kari
MG
> Depressing. Even though Tru64 is EOL.
> If you like, I can check the list price for a license.
> We do resell HP licenses where I work.
>
> I assume your Alpha is a smaller one and a workgroup class license would
> be enough?
I'm also potentially interested. How much would that be?
- MG
Kari Uusimäki
It seems to have become more difficult to find O/S license prices for Alpha.
The range is from about 500€ (DS10) to about 5000€ (ES40/ES45) depending
on the Alpha model. These are for the workgroup class Alphas.
Departmental and Enterprise class are a lot more expensive.
Note that these are the list prices. You might get more or less discount
from the local HP.
Btw. DEC used to grant good discounts to personal users.
Kari
MG
> It seems to have become more difficult to find O/S license prices for
> Alpha.
That's rather unfortunate, but I can't say it truly surprises me
either (after seeing so many expensive, second-hand, Alpha systems
on auction sites).
> The range is from about 500€ (DS10) to about 5000€ (ES40/ES45) depending
> on the Alpha model. These are for the workgroup class Alphas.
> Departmental and Enterprise class are a lot more expensive.
That's way out of my league then. I think it may be better for me to
give up on the whole idea of using Tru64 at all.
> Btw. DEC used to grant good discounts to personal users.
Thanks for reminding me that they're no more...
- MG
Kari Uusimäki
There is of course one more way to get legal Tru64 licenses. On the
license transfer page, there is said that if someone sells an Alpha, the
O/S licenses can be transferred to the buyer _with_ the hardware.
The requirement is to fill in a transfer form and pay the transfer fee.
In some cases that might even be a very attractive way to get an O/S
license. E.g. if you buy a big AlphaServer very cheap and get the
licenses for just the transfer fee, you could consider that a bargain.
I understand that you don't want to spend lots of money on your hobby. I
guess everybody wants to get their hobby equipment as cheap as possible,
but a fact is that most hobbies are expensive. :)
Kari