If your kernel has hotplug and automount it should Just Work. For instance,
on GNOME with Fedora Core 3 I plug it in and it appears on the desktop
instantaneously. The /var/log/messages shows that hotplug detected it,
assigned it to /dev/sda (using UFS) and then mounted /dev/sda1 onto
/media/usbdisk.
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Assuming that you *don't* have some fancy-dancy GUI thing running that makes
it Just Work, then the trick is to figure out what device (/dev/sd???) the
device is. If it is a simple, single unit device, then you can figure it
out by looking in one or more of the log files in /var/log (which one(s)
and where they are located is, of course, implementation/distribution
specific). Then, you should be able to just do: mount /dev/sd<whatever> /mnt.
If is a multi-unit device (such as a camera memory card reader), then you
have to make sure to boot with "max_scsi_luns=8" - after which, you can
follow the above instructions.
OB, off topic rant: I've noticed lately that postings have spaces between
the newsgroups in the "Newsgroups:" header line - my newsreader says this
is verboten - and makes me go back in an manually fix it. I'm guessing
that since the newest incarnation of Google recently went online, that that
is the culprit. Why, oh why, can't people use real newsreaders???
Plug in device, Windows sees it and it automagically appears straight
away.
Linux. Plug it in, hope it JUST WORKS. If it doesn't, take a wild stab
at what the device is or go wading through log files. And even then
you've not yet finished....
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Google says:
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Flash-Memory-HOWTO.html
Br. genii
That's what you think. On one of the four XP machines I use regularly
this is exactly not what happens. It recognizes my CompactFlash reader
but fails to mount the card.
> Linux. Plug it in, hope it JUST WORKS. If it doesn't, take a wild stab
> at what the device is or go wading through log files. And even then
> you've not yet finished....
Conversely, since moving to Mandrake 10.1 with a 2.6 kernel, Linux "sees
it and it automagically appears straight away" on all my machines.
Mark Atherton
What are you talking about? At most, it's a matter of creating a dir in
/mnt, then mounting it there. And in the latest distros, it should
automatically be mounted.
IME, such devices are usally sda1 or sda5. Hardly rocket science to work
out.
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>Windows:
>
>Plug in device, Windows sees it and it automagically appears straight
>away.
>
>Linux. Plug it in, hope it JUST WORKS. If it doesn't, take a wild stab
>at what the device is or go wading through log files. And even then
>you've not yet finished....
From what I have seen up to now, your claims for Linux are just wrong.
Try to do it without a GUI running... There are some insane additions
in Gnome or Kde (that make your claims partially true if you have luck),
but they unfortunately disturb the CD/DVD writing process.
On Solaris, even with the 3 year old Solaris 9 or with the even older
Solaris 8 + USB patched, you only stick the plug in and wait 3 seconds.
The apropriate feature (volume management) for automounting removable
media is in the basic Solaris system since 1992.
The memory stick appears mounted under /rmdisk/<label name>/
To unmount, call e.g. 'eject rmdisk'
....You need to boot once with the stick inserted or to call
/etc/init.d/volmgt stop
/etc/init.d/volmgt start
after you inserted the stick the first time.
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> Windows:
>
> Plug in device, Windows sees it and it automagically appears straight
> away.
That explains why I have USB keys that work on Linux
and Solaris but not on Windows, others that work on
Windows XP but not on Windows2000, Linux or Solaris,
and even one that refuses to work on all systems :-)
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>Windows:
>
>Plug in device, Windows sees it and it automagically appears straight
>away.
>
>Linux. Plug it in, hope it JUST WORKS. If it doesn't, take a wild stab
>at what the device is or go wading through log files. And even then
>you've not yet finished....
I bought my kids (well, and one for me too) those low end RCA Lyra MP3
players. It worked on one of their Windows machines BUT not the
other. No error message, no log file, nothing! I just "assumed" it
didn't like the USB version in the Dell and did like the clone. It
worked PERFECTLY in Linux! :-)
As a work around I just "shared" the device on the one Windows machine
that worked and they access all their MP3 players from the single
location. Not what they were looking for BUT a nice solution anyway.
Windows isn't perfect either!
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> From what I have seen up to now, your claims for Linux are just wrong.
From what everyone has seen up to now, all your claims are just wrong.
> ....You need to boot once with the stick inserted or to call
Is this rebooting one of the innovations Sun licensed from Microsoft?
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is not going to be line-by-line code. It will be more along the lines
of nonliteral copying, which has more to do with infringement."
-- Darl McBride. CEO, The SCO Group.
> Is this rebooting one of the innovations Sun licensed from Microsoft?
Stop trolling, idiot.
He didn't say rebooting. You can either restart vold or boot with stick
in, or run volcheck.
Why, so I can go backwards 12 years?
MY experience with USB and Windows (Xp and 2000) vs Linux:
Windows: Plug it in and hope it works. If it doesn't...throw it away.
Linux: Plug it in and it works. If it doesn't, check logfiles, websites,
etc. and find the problem.
(Note that THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS LOGFILES IN WINDOWS! Good luck at
diagnosing anything. Try rebooting, sometimes that helps...)
Lloyd
> (Note that THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS LOGFILES IN WINDOWS! Good luck at
> diagnosing anything. Try rebooting, sometimes that helps...)
There is: Event Viewer. Hardware errors are usually logged. At least
don't spread FUD.
Ah, a poor Linux moron is trying to reverse the sense of another posting
because he is in fear of the truth...
Do you have problems that you don't need to reboot Solaris?
It is because there are so many reasons where you have to reboot Linux
but Solaris could do the same taks without a reboot?
>> >Linux. Plug it in, hope it JUST WORKS. If it doesn't, take a wild stab
>> >at what the device is or go wading through log files. And even then
>> >you've not yet finished....
>>
>> From what I have seen up to now, your claims for Linux are just wrong.
>> Try to do it without a GUI running...
>
>Why, so I can go backwards 12 years?
Linux does not have a volume management system like Solaris, so you are already
12 years in the past ;-)
Event Viewer tendss to contain much less detailed information than
/var/log/syslog, in my experience. It often has unhelpful nuggets like
"the XYZ service failed to start", with no indication as to why. Yes, I
know it failed to start, that's why I'm looking in the Event Log!
The messages in /var/log/syslog tend to be a bit more helpful, IME. For
one thing, there's more of them. Even routine events get logged, which
can be useful when you notice that they're missing.
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> In article <MPG.1c4117f25...@news.giganews.com>,
> Conor <conor....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> >Linux. Plug it in, hope it JUST WORKS. If it doesn't, take a wild stab
>>> >at what the device is or go wading through log files. And even then
>>> >you've not yet finished....
>>>
>>> From what I have seen up to now, your claims for Linux are just wrong.
>>> Try to do it without a GUI running...
>>
>>Why, so I can go backwards 12 years?
>
> Linux does not have a volume management system like Solaris, so you are already
> 12 years in the past ;-)
Sadly you have stumbled into the cesspit of the internet,
comp.os.linux.advocacy
You mean that daemon that automatically mounted CD's? Didn't work for
floppies if my I remember correctly. Also a lot of times eject didn't
work to get the CD out. Is that why Solaris added the force option to
umount? Much nicer than having to use a straightened paper clip to
eject a CD.
Linux does have 'volume management' if you are referring to mounting
CD's and floppies.
> [...] ;-)
Poor Joerg. Reduced through hatred to telling lies with smilies... and
major off-topic crossposting.
Have you considered the Priesthood?
Here's a picture of Jeff having a drink at Pike Place Market:
http://home.earthlink.net/~jabailo/imgs/jr.pike.jpg
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with loaded guns and those who dig.
You dig." C. Eastwood, G,B&U
On another note, I'm become really good at ripping CDs now.
I'm using Exact_Audio_Copy in Fast mode with automatic tag fetching.
Some of these CDs are so badly scratched that Secure mode takes an eternity.
The default settings really sucked,
it wasn't even set up to automatically fill in all the tag information.
I'm making 128 Kbps WMA files, one meg per minute.
> The default settings really sucked,
> it wasn't even set up to automatically fill in all the tag information.
> I'm making 128 Kbps WMA files, one meg per minute.
Jeff,
We all know you were the one who paid the Olsen twins to get it on in
the subway:
http://home.earthlink.net/~jabailo/imgs/olsenmania.jpg
Admit it. ADMIT IT!!!
hu...@ukmisc.org.uk (Huge) writes:
> Nobody in their right minds puts a Unix file system on a floppy.
Why? A low-overhead filesystem like minixfs makes quite usable
floppies.
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>You mean that daemon that automatically mounted CD's? Didn't work for
>floppies if my I remember correctly. Also a lot of times eject didn't
>work to get the CD out. Is that why Solaris added the force option to
>umount? Much nicer than having to use a straightened paper clip to
>eject a CD.
It doesn't work for floppies (you have to type volcheck) because
floppy drives usually don't notify you when a disk is inserted.
(The once that can eject by themselves should be able to do so)
In Solaris 2.2 vold polled the floppy driver; but that caused
terrible wear and tear as most drives need to spin to detect media.
Casper
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Statements on Sun products included here are not gospel and may
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> Jeff_Relf wrote:
>> Hi Huge, You quoted someone saying: <<
>> The road to Paradise is through Intercourse. >>
>>
>> It's quite the opposite,
>> Intercourse is how I left paradise... believe me, I know.
>>
>
> Have you considered the Priesthood?
>
> Here's a picture of Jeff having a drink at Pike Place Market:
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~jabailo/imgs/jr.pike.jpg
That's an incredible insult to Rob Reiner.
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> You are, I assume, aware that they are both towns in Eastern PA?
Leading to the well-know Muppet disease Penntransitphobia,
or a dread fear of travelling through the state of Pennsylvania
(with thanks to Dr Bob).
It was for FAT or some other MS filesystem. You had to manually run
vol manager for it to mount it.
>> Also a lot of times eject didn't work to get the CD out.
> IME, this is completely untrue.
This was a good few years ago I must admit. All the admins I worked
with had a straightened paper clip handy for that very purpose.
Sometimes you have to shut down volume management to gain
access to micro-floppies.
I had to do it to copy the contents to my hard drive from
the book "CDE and Motif".
Oh? Buy the book "CDE and Motif" by Antonio N. Mione.
Inside is a diskette with a UNIX file system on it with all
the source code for the book.
Yup, had to do that many times as well. I don't use Solaris volume
management at all these days as I only have Solaris servers where I
don't want it at all. As far as the desktop goes Linux is way more
advanced. I'm eagerly looking forward to Solaris 10 but can't see it
being a better desktop system than Linux.
Because it has been done and your assertions were totally
false, dicksmack.
Solaris 10 isn't all that it is cracked up to be. I'll be
shopping around for a new LCD monitor. I don't have a CD
burner so I'll probably go out and buy Fedora book with CDs.
Seeing that Sun and M$ are now somehow partnered, I'll go
elsewhere with my business.
Not in my experience.
The last time I tried to attach a USB storage device to XP, I
ended up fleeing to the documentation to figure out what WinDOS wanted me
to do to make the damn thing visible.
>
> Linux. Plug it in, hope it JUST WORKS. If it doesn't, take a wild stab
> at what the device is or go wading through log files. And even then
> you've not yet finished....
This only works if you admit a bias in favor of Microsoft and
against Linux.
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Isn't Grey Cloud actually MikeCoxLinux's sock puppet?
If so, I don't think there's any business to be lost there.
John
groe...@acm.org
Guffaw!! And Scott someday will wonder what that dagger is
doing in the middle of his back with the initials B.G. on
the handle.
No, I'm not that idiot. Remember SGI when they partnered
with M$??
Damn near ruined them. That's why I'm putting some distance
between me and Sun and M$.
> No, I'm not that idiot. Remember SGI when they partnered
> with M$??
> Damn near ruined them. That's why I'm putting some distance
> between me and Sun and M$.
The difference is that SGI decided to adopt NT on their workstations,
whereas Sun has decided that having stuff that works well with Windoze
probably isn't a bad idea for them or (a lot of) their customers.
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The partnering between SGI and M$ was, I think, of a different
nature. There's a difference between "depend on M$ for the OS on your
workstations" and "make sure that Solaris and M$ software interoperate
better".
>No, I'm not that idiot. Remember SGI when they partnered
>with M$??
>Damn near ruined them. That's why I'm putting some distance
>between me and Sun and M$.
???
You did completely missunderstand the SGI problems....
SGI did have problems because they have been unable to manage their own
OS. So they decided to switch to NT which was the reason for their trouble.
Sun owns a sufficiently maintained OS and does not depend on M$.
In fact, Sun is the _only_ big company that does not depend on M$ in order
to survive!
You should rethink your relations to IBM, HP, ... and Sun.
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It is more than that. Look at the past M$ partnerships with
other businesses. Most were either bought out or ruined.
Very few have survived with M$ as a partner. Usually, it is
M$ fishing for new ideas for innovation into their own
product line. I hope Sun survives this partnership.
My PC, a very modern Dell, hangs for a few seconds when I insert the
device. Just like it does when starting a new track while creating an
audio CD.
> Linux. Plug it in, hope it JUST WORKS. If it doesn't, take a wild stab
> at what the device is or go wading through log files. And even then
> you've not yet finished....
Oh well, at least the best case is better.
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IBM has sold their PC division to China, so they are now
out.
HP has ownership of OpenVMS, Tru64 UNIX, and HP-UX. Which
one of these will survive depends on HP and their marketing
prowess. I sure hope Sun will survive the partnership with
M$, as few partners have.
I really don't see any advantages to partnering with M$
anyways, other than their money. Solaris doesn't
mysteriously reboot, get viruses and malware like XP does.
So looking at M$ security track record isn't anything to
write home about. I've asked other Sun people why they have
partnered with M$, but got no real answer.
> It is more than that. Look at the past M$ partnerships with
> other businesses. Most were either bought out or ruined.
> Very few have survived with M$ as a partner. Usually, it is
I agree, but the key difference is I wouldn't describe Sun's
relationship with M$ as a "partnership".
> Rich Teer wrote:
>>
>> The difference is that SGI decided to adopt NT on their workstations,
>> whereas Sun has decided that having stuff that works well with Windoze
>> probably isn't a bad idea for them or (a lot of) their customers.
>
> It is more than that. Look at the past M$ partnerships with
> other businesses. Most were either bought out or ruined.
What do you call a partnership between Microsoft Corporation and Sun
Microsystems?
Microsoft.
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IBM and Linux] was that IBM has a lot of agents that are out there day in
and day out that attack us."
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>Joerg Schilling wrote:
>
>
>>In article <41DA071D...@mist.com>, GreyCloud <cum...@mist.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>John D Groenveld wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>No, I'm not that idiot. Remember SGI when they partnered
>>>with M$??
>>>Damn near ruined them. That's why I'm putting some distance
>>>between me and Sun and M$.
>>>
>>>
>>???
>>
>>You did completely missunderstand the SGI problems....
>>
>>SGI did have problems because they have been unable to manage their own
>>OS. So they decided to switch to NT which was the reason for their trouble.
>>
>>Sun owns a sufficiently maintained OS and does not depend on M$.
>>
>>In fact, Sun is the _only_ big company that does not depend on M$ in order
>>to survive!
>>
>>You should rethink your relations to IBM, HP, ... and Sun.
>>
>>
>>
>
>IBM has sold their PC division to China, so they are now
>out.
>HP has ownership of OpenVMS, Tru64 UNIX, and HP-UX. Which
>one of these will survive depends on HP and their marketing
>prowess.
>
Their what?????? DEC did not know the meaning of "marketing". Compaq
bought DEC and either did not know the meaning of "marketing" or
forgot. HP bought Compaq and . . . .
If HP didn't have their printer business with someone cluefull in
charge, they would have gone belly up already. They might still go
belly up. Carly hasn't a clue!
( Cool sig pic BTW )
I was asking about this before and no one really ventured
forth with a good explanation of what kind of an agreement
Sun and M$ got into. I did see Suns' website with McNeally
shaking hands with Gates. What kind of an agreement did
they enter into then?