Software Express: get the development version of Solaris today
Alan Coopersmith
Software Express for Solaris is a Web-based program that gives customers
a competitive edge, delivering state-of-the-art technologies with online
support and a community forum. The program will include features of
future versions of Solaris, such as NFS v4, the standards-based Network
File System optimized for Internet use, DTrace -- a set of capabilities
for rapidly diagnosing problems and bottlenecks in applications and
Solaris Zones -- a server virtualization technology that provides
security isolation and fault containment.
The first product in the Sun Software Express program begins shipping in
September with the latest developmental codes of the Solaris operating
system, called Software Express for Solaris. Software Express for
Solaris is immediately available for download at no charge for
non-commercial use or, for an annual subscription fee of $99, as a
comprehensive community Web experience that includes email support and
rights to use in commercial operations. Developers and IT managers who
subscribe to the community program may contribute to the further
development of the leading UNIX Solaris Operating System (x86 and
SPARC(TM)) by providing both problem reports and feedback.
For more details about the program and participation please visit
http://www.sun.com/softwareexpress
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________________________________________________________________________
Alan Coopersmith al...@alum.calberkeley.org
http://www.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU/~alanc/ aka: Alan.Coo...@Sun.COM
Working for, but definitely not speaking for, Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Chris Morgan
> Buried deep in one of todays press releases:
>
> Software Express for Solaris is a Web-based program that gives customers
[SNIP]
> For more details about the program and participation please visit
> http://www.sun.com/softwareexpress
Fantastic. Sun has given me the reason for owning too many* sparc
systems, I knew I would find one eventually.
Chris
*two ultra 2, one ultra 10, three ultra AXi-based generic,
one sparc 20
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Chris Morgan
"Post posting of policy changes by the boss will result in
real rule revisions that are irreversible"
- anonymous correspondent
Jim Balson
> Alan Coopersmith <al...@alum.calberkeley.org> writes:
> > Buried deep in one of todays press releases:
> >
> > Software Express for Solaris is a Web-based program that gives customers
> [SNIP]
> > For more details about the program and participation please visit
> > http://www.sun.com/softwareexpress
> Fantastic. Sun has given me the reason for owning too many* sparc
> systems, I knew I would find one eventually.
> Chris
> *two ultra 2, one ultra 10, three ultra AXi-based generic,
> one sparc 20
Peanuts.
I have 2 Dual Ultra 2's, 1 Ultra 5. 1 Dual Ultra 60 and 1 eight CPU E3500
in the media room.
The E3500 was too heavy to get upstairs.
> --
> Chris Morgan
> "Post posting of policy changes by the boss will result in
> real rule revisions that are irreversible"
> - anonymous correspondent
--
-----------------------
Jim
balson AT comcast DOT net
Chris Morgan
> > *two ultra 2, one ultra 10, three ultra AXi-based generic,
> > one sparc 20
>
>
>
> Peanuts.
>
> I have 2 Dual Ultra 2's, 1 Ultra 5. 1 Dual Ultra 60 and 1 eight CPU E3500
> in the media room.
>
> The E3500 was too heavy to get upstairs.
Yeah, you win, but only by 15-12 if we count cpus (my ultra 2s are
both dual, my sparc 20 is quad).
Dragan Cvetkovic
> Buried deep in one of todays press releases:
>
> The first product in the Sun Software Express program begins shipping in
> September with the latest developmental codes of the Solaris operating
> system, called Software Express for Solaris. Software Express for
> Solaris is immediately available for download at no charge for
> non-commercial use or, for an annual subscription fee of $99, as a
> comprehensive community Web experience that includes email support and
> rights to use in commercial operations. Developers and IT managers who
> subscribe to the community program may contribute to the further
> development of the leading UNIX Solaris Operating System (x86 and
> SPARC(TM)) by providing both problem reports and feedback.
>
> For more details about the program and participation please visit
> http://www.sun.com/softwareexpress
>
Been there, downloaded s10_b40, installed (i.e. upgraded from s10_b35) and
immediatelly had a problem: emacs dumps core when in X mode! Ditto
noetscape 4.78 and some other programs. Emacs in non-X mode works fine but
is not much fun :-(
What is going on? What shall I do to make it work? Emacs is my editor so
without it I am pretty much p****** off.
Thanks and bye, Dragan
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Dragan Cvetkovic
> Alan Coopersmith <al...@alum.calberkeley.org> writes:
>
>> Buried deep in one of todays press releases:
>>
>> The first product in the Sun Software Express program begins shipping in
>> September with the latest developmental codes of the Solaris operating
>> system, called Software Express for Solaris. Software Express for
>> Solaris is immediately available for download at no charge for
>> non-commercial use or, for an annual subscription fee of $99, as a
>> comprehensive community Web experience that includes email support and
>> rights to use in commercial operations. Developers and IT managers who
>> subscribe to the community program may contribute to the further
>> development of the leading UNIX Solaris Operating System (x86 and
>> SPARC(TM)) by providing both problem reports and feedback.
>>
>> For more details about the program and participation please visit
>> http://www.sun.com/softwareexpress
>>
>
> Been there, downloaded s10_b40, installed (i.e. upgraded from s10_b35) and
> immediatelly had a problem: emacs dumps core when in X mode! Ditto
> noetscape 4.78 and some other programs. Emacs in non-X mode works fine but
> is not much fun :-(
>
> What is going on? What shall I do to make it work? Emacs is my editor so
> without it I am pretty much p****** off.
Btw, emacs is from SFWemacs but the same hapens if I download the source
and compile it myself.
Bye, Dragan
Rich Teer
> Been there, downloaded s10_b40, installed (i.e. upgraded from s10_b35) and
> immediatelly had a problem: emacs dumps core when in X mode! Ditto
> noetscape 4.78 and some other programs. Emacs in non-X mode works fine but
> is not much fun :-(
>
> What is going on? What shall I do to make it work? Emacs is my editor so
> without it I am pretty much p****** off.
It's a bummer, but to be fair to Sun, it IS pre-release software,
meant for testing only. Looks like you found a bug. :-)
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Greg Menke
> Alan Coopersmith <al...@alum.calberkeley.org> writes:
>
> > Buried deep in one of todays press releases:
> >
> > The first product in the Sun Software Express program begins shipping in
> > September with the latest developmental codes of the Solaris operating
> > system, called Software Express for Solaris. Software Express for
> > Solaris is immediately available for download at no charge for
> > non-commercial use or, for an annual subscription fee of $99, as a
> > comprehensive community Web experience that includes email support and
> > rights to use in commercial operations. Developers and IT managers who
> > subscribe to the community program may contribute to the further
> > development of the leading UNIX Solaris Operating System (x86 and
> > SPARC(TM)) by providing both problem reports and feedback.
> >
> > For more details about the program and participation please visit
> > http://www.sun.com/softwareexpress
> >
>
> Been there, downloaded s10_b40, installed (i.e. upgraded from s10_b35) and
> immediatelly had a problem: emacs dumps core when in X mode! Ditto
> noetscape 4.78 and some other programs. Emacs in non-X mode works fine but
> is not much fun :-(
>
> What is going on? What shall I do to make it work? Emacs is my editor so
> without it I am pretty much p****** off.
I've had that symptom off and on, I have the impression its a shared
lib problem related to png or jpeg. Beyond that I've not traced, as
its not happening on my Solaris 9 4/03.
Gregm
Dragan Cvetkovic
I have been running various s10_bxx releases for the last 6 months or so,
but s10_b40 is the first one with that problem.
Btw, here is the back trace:
% pstack core.emacs.529
core 'core.emacs.529' of 529: emacs
dd6eb205 realfree (83e9278) + 43
dd6eae0d _malloc_unlocked () + 193
dd6eac44 malloc (70) + 34
dd96a00a XCreateGC (83fc000, 500067, c, 8046d50) + 34
dd9fac25 xpmCreatePixmapFromImage (83fc000, 50001e, 8558a80, 8558b04) + 55
dd9f9b7d XpmReadFileToPixmap () + 7c
080f99cd ???????? (8456200, 8558b00, 0, 0)
080f7e52 lookup_image () + da
080f7571 Fimage_mask_p () + 39
0815e9af Ffuncall () + 243
08186acc Fbyte_code (383ea1d4, 48550b00, 9, 814fb63) + 3d8
0815efe4 funcall_lambda () + 308
0815eae4 Ffuncall () + 378
08186acc Fbyte_code (383ea254, 48550a00, 6, 814fb63) + 3d8
0815efe4 funcall_lambda () + 308
0815eae4 Ffuncall () + 378
08186acc Fbyte_code (383ea0a4, 483b8f80, 5, 814fb63) + 3d8
0815efe4 funcall_lambda () + 308
0815eae4 Ffuncall () + 378
08186acc Fbyte_code (38261cd4, 482621bc, 5, 814fb63) + 3d8
0815efe4 funcall_lambda () + 308
0815eae4 Ffuncall () + 378
08186acc Fbyte_code (38260d74, 48260e04, 5, 0) + 3d8
0815efe4 funcall_lambda () + 308
0815ec90 apply_lambda () + f8
0815dde1 Feval () + 57d
08108170 top_level_2 () + 14
0815cab9 internal_condition_case () + a1
0810819f top_level_1 () + 2b
0815c6dc internal_catch (182ceea4, 8108174, 182bcc04, 82fb02c, dd780dc4,
182bcc04, 8047730, 8107c69, ...) + 88
081080e5 command_loop () + 5d
08107c69 recursive_edit_1 (8047ec8, 30437455, 80477f0, 8106caf, 8047738,
804773c, 80477f0, 8106cce, ...) + 7d
08107d98 Frecursive_edit () + 9c
08106cce main (1, 8047818, 8047820) + be6
080831bb _start () + 57
Bye, Dragan
Logan Shaw
> I have 2 Dual Ultra 2's, 1 Ultra 5. 1 Dual Ultra 60 and 1 eight CPU E3500
> in the media room.
An eight-CPU E3500 at home? I'm surprised they're that affordable
now, although now that I look, it seems like they can be had for
only a couple grand on eBay. Mind if I ask how much you paid for
it?
- Logan
Dragan Cvetkovic
> On Tue, 16 Sep 2003, Dragan Cvetkovic wrote:
>
>> Been there, downloaded s10_b40, installed (i.e. upgraded from s10_b35) and
>> immediatelly had a problem: emacs dumps core when in X mode! Ditto
>> netscape 4.78 and some other programs. Emacs in non-X mode works fine but
>> is not much fun :-(
>>
>> What is going on? What shall I do to make it work? Emacs is my editor so
>> without it I am pretty much p****** off.
>
> It's a bummer, but to be fair to Sun, it IS pre-release software,
> meant for testing only. Looks like you found a bug. :-)
>
It seems so. Anyway, I managed to solve the problem by restoring
/usr/openwin/lib from s10_b35 from the backup (of course, I have used the
same CD-RWs for s10_b40 that I have used for s10_b35 so I couldn't install
the packages -- Murphy is working hard, it seems!). Luckily I did ufsdump of
my / some time ago ...
Funny, it was a first major bug (at least for me -- it seems I can't work
without emacs -- that's bad) I have encountered in s10_b?? testing. It was
working great, otherwise I would stop using it long time ago.
Now, if somebody can tell me the proper channel for all these reports, I
will stop flooding these NGs. :-)
Bye, Dragan
Alan Coopersmith
|Been there, downloaded s10_b40, installed (i.e. upgraded from s10_b35) and
|immediatelly had a problem: emacs dumps core when in X mode! Ditto
|noetscape 4.78 and some other programs. Emacs in non-X mode works fine but
|is not much fun :-(
That's what you get for not reading the known bugs in the release notes.
'setenv LD_NODIRECT 1' (ld -B direct doesn't play nicely when used on
libs that malloc memory and expect the app to free it, and apps that
provide their own malloc implementation like emacs/xemacs. Xlib calls
malloc in libc using the direct binding, emacs calls it's own free, and
hilarity ensues (if you find memory corruption funny).)
Dragan Cvetkovic
> dragan...@gmx.net writes in comp.unix.solaris:
> |Been there, downloaded s10_b40, installed (i.e. upgraded from s10_b35) and
> |immediatelly had a problem: emacs dumps core when in X mode! Ditto
> |noetscape 4.78 and some other programs. Emacs in non-X mode works fine but
> |is not much fun :-(
>
> That's what you get for not reading the known bugs in the release notes.
> 'setenv LD_NODIRECT 1' (ld -B direct doesn't play nicely when used on
> libs that malloc memory and expect the app to free it, and apps that
> provide their own malloc implementation like emacs/xemacs. Xlib calls
> malloc in libc using the direct binding, emacs calls it's own free, and
> hilarity ensues (if you find memory corruption funny).)
Hm, are release notes only available to paying ($99/year) customers? I
didn't find release notes among the files I could download (there was only
"What's new in ..." document).
Anyway, thanks a lot Alan, I have put that one in my .cshrc and hope it
will work.
Bye, Dragan
Beardy
> Alan Coopersmith <al...@alum.calberkeley.org> writes:
>
>
>>Buried deep in one of todays press releases:
>>
>> The first product in the Sun Software Express program begins shipping in
>> September with the latest developmental codes of the Solaris operating
>> system, called Software Express for Solaris. Software Express for
>> Solaris is immediately available for download at no charge for
>> non-commercial use or, for an annual subscription fee of $99, as a
>> comprehensive community Web experience that includes email support and
>> rights to use in commercial operations. Developers and IT managers who
>> subscribe to the community program may contribute to the further
>> development of the leading UNIX Solaris Operating System (x86 and
>> SPARC(TM)) by providing both problem reports and feedback.
>>
>> For more details about the program and participation please visit
>> http://www.sun.com/softwareexpress
>>
>
>
> Been there, downloaded s10_b40, installed (i.e. upgraded from s10_b35) and
> immediatelly had a problem: emacs dumps core when in X mode! Ditto
> noetscape 4.78 and some other programs. Emacs in non-X mode works fine but
> is not much fun :-(
>
> What is going on? What shall I do to make it work? Emacs is my editor so
> without it I am pretty much p****** off.
>
> Thanks and bye, Dragan
>
Dragan, vi is *great* fun.. Emacs has a tremendous future behind it ;^)
Also try Joe's Own Editor for "Wordstar" fun (check previous threads).
Alan Coopersmith
|Alan Coopersmith <al...@alum.calberkeley.org> writes:
|
|> dragan...@gmx.net writes in comp.unix.solaris:
|> |Been there, downloaded s10_b40, installed (i.e. upgraded from s10_b35) and
|> |immediatelly had a problem: emacs dumps core when in X mode! Ditto
|> |noetscape 4.78 and some other programs. Emacs in non-X mode works fine but
|> |is not much fun :-(
|>
|> That's what you get for not reading the known bugs in the release notes.
|> 'setenv LD_NODIRECT 1' (ld -B direct doesn't play nicely when used on
|> libs that malloc memory and expect the app to free it, and apps that
|> provide their own malloc implementation like emacs/xemacs. Xlib calls
|> malloc in libc using the direct binding, emacs calls it's own free, and
|> hilarity ensues (if you find memory corruption funny).)
|
|Hm, are release notes only available to paying ($99/year) customers? I
|didn't find release notes among the files I could download (there was only
|"What's new in ..." document).
I don't know - I didn't think to check, since I got so used to everyone
having access during the pilot program. If you had the release notes,
you would have read in the known bugs section:
Some Applications Might Crash When Using the X11 System Libraries and
Overriding the System Memory Allocation Routines (4900353)
If both of the following conditions exist, an application might crash:
1) The application utilizes the X11 system libraries.
2) The application overrides the system memory allocation (malloc)
routines with its own libraries.
The following error messages might be displayed:
Segmentation violation
Bus error
Workaround:
Perform the following steps:
1. Identify the affected applications by running the following commands:
% ldd application_binary_location | grep X11
Any output identifies an application that uses the X11 libraries.
% nm application_binary_location | awk -F\| '$8 == "malloc" \
&& $5 =="GLOB " {print}'
Any output identifies an application that overrides the system
memory allocation routines.
2. Execute the following command before starting the affected
applications:
% setenv LD_NODIRECT 1
But that's a lot of words, and my attempts at simple awk scripting, to
get you back to the same answer I already gave you. (Hmm, I just
realized we probably should have specified /usr/ccs/bin in the path to
the above since many people don't have it by default. Oh well, this
bug is coming out of the next set of release notes since it was fixed
in s10_41 anyway. And yes, I was fully aware when writing the above
tests they might generate false positives, but LD_NODIRECT should not
break any programs if applied unnecessarily, just slow them down a
little, and I was trying to keep the commands as simple as possible for
the release notes.)
Jim Balson
Nope, not at all. I paid $3500 on ebay early this year.
> - Logan
Barbie LeVile
Beardy <bea...@beardy.net> wrote:
>
> Dragan, vi is *great* fun.. Emacs has a tremendous future behind it ;^)
> Also try Joe's Own Editor for "Wordstar" fun (check previous threads).
Or nedit, my editor of choice.
--
Barbie - Prayers are like junkmail for Jesus
I have seen things you lusers would not believe.
I've seen Sun monitors on fire off the side of the multimedia lab.
I've seen NTU lights glitter in the dark near the Mail Gate.
All these things will be lost in time, like the root partition last week.
Time to die.
Anthony Mandic
> Buried deep in one of todays press releases:
>
> Software Express for Solaris is a Web-based program that gives customers
> a competitive edge, delivering state-of-the-art technologies with online
> support and a community forum. The program will include features of
> future versions of Solaris, such as NFS v4, the standards-based Network
> File System optimized for Internet use,
Is that the one that will (finally) work for any system via HTTP?
-am © 2003
Rich Teer
> Nope, not at all. I paid $3500 on ebay early this year.
I find it absolutely icredible that some Ebay vendors or asking
$2500 for an Ultra 60. I mean, WTF are they smoking? Don't they
have a clue about the marketplace they purport to belong to?
The going price for a dual 450 MHz Ultra 60 is less than $1000,
and I suspect that'll drop after today's announcements...
Casper H.S. Dik
>Been there, downloaded s10_b40, installed (i.e. upgraded from s10_b35) and
>immediatelly had a problem: emacs dumps core when in X mode! Ditto
>noetscape 4.78 and some other programs. Emacs in non-X mode works fine but
>is not much fun :-(
You report a bug to the Solaris Express program and someone
may give you a workaround and they'll certainly look at the
bug (and since there are emacs users inside Sun, the bug
sure didn't go unnoticed).
You might try to run emacs with LD_NODIRECT=1 in the
environment.
Casper
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Statements on Sun products included here are not gospel and may
be fiction rather than truth.
Dragan Cvetkovic
> Dragan Cvetkovic <m...@privacy.net> writes:
>
>>Been there, downloaded s10_b40, installed (i.e. upgraded from s10_b35) and
>>immediatelly had a problem: emacs dumps core when in X mode! Ditto
>>noetscape 4.78 and some other programs. Emacs in non-X mode works fine but
>>is not much fun :-(
>
>
> You report a bug to the Solaris Express program and someone
> may give you a workaround and they'll certainly look at the
> bug (and since there are emacs users inside Sun, the bug
> sure didn't go unnoticed).
>
> You might try to run emacs with LD_NODIRECT=1 in the
> environment.
Thanks Casper. Thanks also to Markus for pointing me to to the proper
channel for bug reports.
Bye, Dragan
Chris Morgan
> You report a bug to the Solaris Express program and someone
> may give you a workaround and they'll certainly look at the
> bug (and since there are emacs users inside Sun, the bug
> sure didn't go unnoticed).
Do you think we'll ever get a small emacs in the standard distribution
of solaris (i.e. after installing software 1 and 2 we can use emacs to
fix system config before installing additional stuff like the SFW
packatges?)
Chris
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