Burning Solaris SPARC CDs or DVDs on other systems
Wes Groleau
that was burned on a Mac?
I tried two different ways of burning it on a Mac OS 10.4.11
and neither will boot, though both are mountable by the Mac.
(And I did use the correct SPARC image)
If someone can give insultingly detailed instructions
OTHER THAN the ones Apple offers, I'd appreciate it.
Sun was very helpful--after you find the section titled
something like "Guidance for burning Solaris CDs," the
guidance is no more than "put in a CD and use the normal
application for burning an ISO, for example, Roxio Creator
on Windows or Toast on Mac."
I don't have Toast. I do have Roxio on my employer's laptop,
but when I try to use it it insists on being in the mode that
emulates a very large floppy.
I suppose if worse comes to worse, I could compile and run
Linux CDRW on the Mac.
I could also try the DVD instead--this Mac can supposedly do that.
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Don't use Mac, so no details, but...
I've burnt CD's and DVD's on a variety of platforms and the only issue
I've had is with utilities that make the disk something other than
an iso image.
If burnt correctly and mounted somewhere, you should see directories
such as boot, License, Solaris_10 along with Copyright and installer
files.
If you see something else, it didn't burn as an iso image.
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Doug McIntyre
>Has anyone booted an Ultra 10 with a Solaris 10 install CD
>that was burned on a Mac?
Yes with Toast.
>I tried two different ways of burning it on a Mac OS 10.4.11
>and neither will boot, though both are mountable by the Mac.
What did you try doing? What do you see when you mount them?
Are you sure you didn't make a CD with the files you downloaded on them?
Instead of a complex CD with a SPARC UFS file system on the majority
of the first one, (not even sure it could be read on a Mac?)
These are ISO disk images..
I guess without Toast, I'd run up Disk Utility and Burn the ISO that
you downloaded to the CD.
Wes Groleau
> What did you try doing? What do you see when you mount them?
> Are you sure you didn't make a CD with the files you downloaded on them?
> Instead of a complex CD with a SPARC UFS file system on the majority
> of the first one, (not even sure it could be read on a Mac?)
>
> These are ISO disk images..
>
> I guess without Toast, I'd run up Disk Utility and Burn the ISO that
> you downloaded to the CD.
If it's an ISO, it can't be UFS, can it? Anyway, if it is,
the Mac could still read it.
Here are the steps Apple suggests:
Open Disk Utility
Mount the ISO
Click the Burn icon
There are at least two missing steps in those instructions,
so here is my attempt at correcting them :-)
Open Disk Utility
Mount the ISO
Select the UPPER of the two icons that appear [1]
Insert a writable CD in the drive
Click the Burn icon
When I mount an ISO, it puts two icons in Disk Utility.
The lower one is indented and below the other.
For a hard drive, this convention means the upper is the
disk, and the lower is the partition (volume).
So I figured that the "volume" would not be bootable
but the entire disk would be.
The resulting CD is mountable on both Mac and PC.
Both show what I expect--files and folders, not
just a single ISO file. I can't mount it on the Sun
because I don't know the dev name.
ls /dev | grep cd
returns nothing.
and boot cdrom at the firmware prompt gives an error message
and then boots hard drive. The CD drive is OK, because I used
it and a Solaris 7 CD to change the root password.
I used a re-writable--could that be a problem?
There's a shell command to burn an ISO but I am having trouble
finding it again.
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ThanksButNo
> Has anyone booted an Ultra 10 with a Solaris 10 install CD
> that was burned on a Mac?
>
> I tried two different ways of burning it on a Mac OS 10.4.11
> and neither will boot, though both are mountable by the Mac.
>
> (And I did use the correct SPARC image)
>
> If someone can give insultingly detailed instructions
> OTHER THAN the ones Apple offers, I'd appreciate it.
Borrow somebody's PC or Linux machine.
/:-/
Stuart Biggar
> Has anyone booted an Ultra 10 with a Solaris 10 install CD
> that was burned on a Mac?
>
I don't have an Ultra 10 but yesterday I burned CD1 and a DVD
for Solaris 10 update 7 SPARC on a new MacBook Pro running the
current OS X with all updates. The DVD booted and installed
an elderly 420R without issues. I have no idea if it will
boot an Ultra 10. Note that some older Sun DVD drives don't
work correctly when the DVDs have more than about 3 GB on
them. I don't know about any restrictions on CDs but have
very little experience with them recently.
From memory the following steps should work (at least on
10.5.x OS X on either a G5 iMac or MBP):
1) download the image from Sun
2) if it is a zip, run unzip to create the iso
3) if the iso isn't on the desktop, open a finder
window and go to the directory where it is
4) start Disk Utility
5) drag the icon for the iso file from the desktop or the
finder window to the left side panel of disk administrator
(below anything already there)
6) click on the iso file name to highlight it in the left side
7) click on the burn button
8) insert CD or DVD media into the drive - wait
9) When it is recognized, press the burn button
10) wait while the DVD/CD is burned and verified.
11) it should eject when done - click to confirm
12 highlight the filename (if not already) and hit delete to
get rid of it in the left column.
13) repeat for other CD/DVD images ...
I've burned lots of DVDs/CDs on an old G5 iMac at home for
both x86 and SPARC Solaris over the years. It has always
worked unless I tried to use really cheap media that the
Apple didn't recognize. Another issue is some iso files for
CDs can be larger than some smaller media - that fails right
off for me with a warning about the file being bigger than
the media.
I find burning with an Apple to be much less of a problem
than using a PC unless it is running Solaris and then I use
cdrecord (or cdrw).
Hope this helps a bit.
Stuart
Wes Groleau
> From memory the following steps should work (at least on
> 10.5.x OS X on either a G5 iMac or MBP):
>
> 1) download the image from Sun
> 2) if it is a zip, run unzip to create the iso
> 3) if the iso isn't on the desktop, open a finder
> window and go to the directory where it is
> 4) start Disk Utility
> 5) drag the icon for the iso file from the desktop or the
> finder window to the left side panel of disk administrator
> (below anything already there)
> 6) click on the iso file name to highlight it in the left side
> 7) click on the burn button
> 8) insert CD or DVD media into the drive - wait
> 9) When it is recognized, press the burn button
> 10) wait while the DVD/CD is burned and verified.
> 11) it should eject when done - click to confirm
> 12 highlight the filename (if not already) and hit delete to
> get rid of it in the left column.
> 13) repeat for other CD/DVD images ...
The differences between that and what I did should not matter except
for maybe (5). I used the File->Open Disk Image menu item. Your
method (drag) puts one icon in the left panel. The menu option does
the same but mounts the ISO and shows a disk icon underneath it.
I still selected the upper (the filename) but the Sun said "Can't
open boot device"
It did this even when I used the correct ISO :-)
(After the first failure, I discovered I had burned
lang disk one instead of install disk one)
I've got your method running now. Mot media size--the ISO is only
509 MB and DU says the media can hold 709 MB Also, I always
check "Verify" and DU said that passed. It's an RW, not a write-once.
Don't know whether that matters, but I don't want to run out of blanks
trying to make this work!
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Wes Groleau
> I've got your method running now.
Still says "Can't open boot device" after
five or ten seconds delay.
Stuart Biggar
> I've got your method running now. Mot media size--the ISO is only
> 509 MB and DU says the media can hold 709 MB Also, I always
> check "Verify" and DU said that passed. It's an RW, not a write-once.
> Don't know whether that matters, but I don't want to run out of blanks
> trying to make this work!
>
Wes,
No personal experience but I have read about lots of
different people having issues when using RW media.
I have always used DVD-R and CD-R media, especially
after reading that some had issues with DVD+R and
with all sorts of RW media. Again, from reading, I
note that some RW and +R media works with some drives
but -R usually works with most drives so I've just
used -R as I wish to minimize problems.
Years ago I had trouble with generic DVD-R media but
I never had an issue with Apple DVD-Rs so used them
but they were much more expensive. Lately I've used
brand name but less expensive DVD-R media without issues.
On thing we had to do with Toshiba DVDs in some older
SPARCs was update the drive firmware. I've also had
to do that with various PC DVD drives and Apple drives.
One thing I've run into over the years is that "standard"
devices aren't. Putting in the latest firmware may fix
issues.
Stuart
Wes Groleau
> Has anyone booted an Ultra 10 with a Solaris 10 install CD
> that was burned on a Mac?
> I tried two different ways of burning it on a Mac OS 10.4.11
> and neither will boot, though both are mountable by the Mac.
Three ways.
Suppose I add a slave drive. Can I use the installed Solaris 8
and the mountable Solaris 10 CD to install a bootable system
on the slave?
What would be the command to mount it?
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Stuart Biggar
> Three ways.
>
> Suppose I add a slave drive. Can I use the installed Solaris 8
> and the mountable Solaris 10 CD to install a bootable system
> on the slave?
>
> What would be the command to mount it?
>
I'm not sure I understand what you wish to do.
If you have Solaris 8 on a machine and wish to update
to Solaris 10 on a different hard disk, you might
try Live Upgrade although I'm not sure if you can
LU from Solaris 8 directly to 10. I haven't a clue
if lofi mounting of an iso image works in Solaris 8
but, if it does, you might not even have to burn the
iso to DVD/CD. You just lofi mount the iso file
and use LU to build a Solaris 10 install on the
different disk (or slice of the normal boot drive
if the disk is large enough). LU maintains settings
so the machine should just work (or nearly so) after
LU and activating the new boot environment. If it
doesn't work, you revert back ...
Others with real knowledge of LU might be able
to help. I gather Solaris 10 with ZFS root is
real nice and upgrades are done with LU. I haven't
done that yet ...
Stuart
ThanksButNo
> If you have Solaris 8 on a machine and wish to update
> to Solaris 10 on a different hard disk, you might
> try Live Upgrade although I'm not sure if you can
> LU from Solaris 8 directly to 10.
I'm almost 100% certain that Live Upgrade is not going to upgrade
the OS across major version numbers. The most it will do is patch
the system up to the highest level for that version.
After all, many people have specific reasons for using one major
version over another. Giving them a version they don't want is
likely going to be frowned upon.
/:-/
Wes Groleau
> I'm not sure I understand what you wish to do.
:-) Probably a language barrier. I've been out of
the Sun world since Feb 2003.
> If you have Solaris 8 on a machine and wish to update
> to Solaris 10 on a different hard disk, you might
> try Live Upgrade although I'm not sure if you can
> LU from Solaris 8 directly to 10. I haven't a clue
> if lofi mounting of an iso image works in Solaris 8
> but, if it does, you might not even have to burn the
> iso to DVD/CD. You just lofi mount the iso file
> and use LU to build a Solaris 10 install on the
> different disk (or slice of the normal boot drive
> if the disk is large enough). LU maintains settings
> so the machine should just work (or nearly so) after
> LU and activating the new boot environment. If it
> doesn't work, you revert back ...
>
> Others with real knowledge of LU might be able
> to help. I gather Solaris 10 with ZFS root is
> real nice and upgrades are done with LU. I haven't
> done that yet ...
Now it's my turn to not understand. :-)
Actually, I think I understood enough to know that it's
not what I want. I do not want to upgrade a system
I bought used without even knowing who the previous owner was.
I want to install a completely independent system and not inherit
_anything_ from the previous owner (except hardware).
But I don't want to wipe the old disk (or connect to my LAN)
until I'm sure the new one is working.
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Then install a new hard disk, boot from the Solaris CD or DVD and
install on the new disk.
ISTR that the install asks which disk you want to install on but it has
been a few years since I last installed Solaris. To be absolutely safe,
you could disconnect the old disk, do the install on the new disk and
then connect the old disk and boot from the new.
Wes Groleau
> Wes Groleau wrote:
>> I want to install a completely independent system and not inherit
>> _anything_ from the previous owner (except hardware).
>> But I don't want to wipe the old disk (or connect to my LAN)
>> until I'm sure the new one is working.
>
> Then install a new hard disk, boot from the Solaris CD or DVD and
> install on the new disk.
You're a newcomer to this thread, which has been all about
trying to find a solution to the fact that I can't seem to
burn a CD that's bootable.
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RE
<grolea...@freeshell.org> wrote:
>Wes Groleau wrote:
>> Has anyone booted an Ultra 10 with a Solaris 10 install CD
>> that was burned on a Mac?
>> I tried two different ways of burning it on a Mac OS 10.4.11
>> and neither will boot, though both are mountable by the Mac.
>
>Three ways.
>
>Suppose I add a slave drive. Can I use the installed Solaris 8
>and the mountable Solaris 10 CD to install a bootable system
>on the slave?
>
>What would be the command to mount it?
I recall having problems with Ultra5 and Ultra 10 not booting
from a burned CD.
They booted fine from a "bought" (stamped) CD.
I think the other work around was to swap CD drives.
Try a different brand of IDE based CD drives...
Richard B. Gilbert
Sun no longer offers Solaris on CDROM. If you want media Sun will
sell/give you a DVD. Whether it's free or you must pay a modest charge
depends on the policy of the week!
Sun offers downloadable CD images from which you can burn your own CDs.
This works for some people and not for others. The conventional wisdom
is to burn your CDs at the LOWEST POSSIBLE speed. Even this is not
guaranteed to work but it has been reported to help in some cases.
I bought and installed DVD drives in all three of my Ultra 10s!
Replacing the supplied CDROM drive, if there is one, with a DVD drive is
trivial. Installing instead of replacing is also trivial. You fasten
the drive in place with three or four screws, connect the power cable,
the data cable, and the audio cable if desired. You may need to install
or remove a "Berg Jumper" on the drive. Presto! You're done!
If you are not comfortable with working with hardware, maybe you can
find a friend who can help out!
Stuart Biggar
I do think that you can actually update from at least 9 to 10.
See the following for how someone did it:
http://www.sysadminsjourney.com/content/2009/05/25/liveupgrade-solaris-9-solaris-10
The OP should read the applicable Sun LiveUpgrade docs if interested:
http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-5505
Chapter 6 is an intro to LU.
Chapter 7 table 7-1 indicates that Solaris 8 can upgraded to 8, 9, and
10 using LU. It does require certain patches so you will probably need
sunsolve access with a paid account allowing access to all patches.
Stuart
Wes Groleau
> Sun no longer offers Solaris on CDROM. If you want media Sun will
> sell/give you a DVD. Whether it's free or you must pay a modest charge
> depends on the policy of the week!
I inquired, since the free CD process does not ask which platform.
I was told that I could buy SPARC CDs or DVDs--but then he pointed me
to the same web page!
> Sun offers downloadable CD images from which you can burn your own CDs.
> This works for some people and not for others. The conventional wisdom
> is to burn your CDs at the LOWEST POSSIBLE speed. Even this is not
> guaranteed to work but it has been reported to help in some cases.
Worth a try, but I doubt that's it. No problem mounting the burned CD
and reading files from it. That suggests that the bits are burned in
the right places. But it won't boot.
> I bought and installed DVD drives in all three of my Ultra 10s!
> Replacing the supplied CDROM drive, if there is one, with a DVD drive is
> trivial. Installing instead of replacing is also trivial. You fasten
> the drive in place with three or four screws, connect the power cable,
Or you lay it on top of the tower and bring the wires out to it. BTDT.
> If you are not comfortable with working with hardware, maybe you can
> find a friend who can help out!
Taught electronics maintenance in the Navy, so I'm probably
overconfident. :-) Can't afford to buy a DVD drive but
I could borrow one from another computer.
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Richard B. Gilbert
I got mine on e-Bay. I don't recall what I paid but I probably got them
for far less than they would have cost "new in box". YMMV
Wes Groleau
> I got mine on e-Bay. I don't recall what I paid but I probably got them
> for far less than they would have cost "new in box". YMMV
:-) Unless you're one of those people that considers being out-bid as a
challenge that must be met. :-)
I've seen used items that I was bidding on go to someone else
for MORE than new retail--and then there's shipping.
I just got the x86 live CD in the mail. Took me a long time to get
the package sealing glue off the data side. Hope it will still work.
Of course, if it does, it still won't help me with my Ultra 10. :-)
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