is comp.unix.solaris dead ?
hama08
it seems that comp.unix.solaris is dead ?
10 or 15 years ago, there were sometimes more than 100 new articles
per day.
where is the discussion now ?
kind regards
hans
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Richard B. Gilbert
So if you go to the archives you should be able to find the answer, or
dozens of answers, to most, if not all, conceivable questions!
If you can ask a question that has not been answered dozens of times
over the years, somebody might wake up and answer it.
Or, perhaps, Solaris is dead and we just don't know it yet!
John L
"hama08" <hama0...@ma.yer.at> wrote in message news:b77f9460-c637-42a5...@j8g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>
> it seems that comp.unix.solaris is dead ?
> 10 or 15 years ago, there were sometimes more than 100 new articles
> per day.
>
> where is the discussion now ?
>
There is no discussion now, because there is google to find
the answers to most questions, and blogs on which to rant.
Sunsolve too, for all its faults. In the old days, Sun sent you
a grey book once a month, containing bug reports and patch
details.
More subtly, perhaps the remaining questions are too hard,
or more likely too expensive, to answer easily and quickly.
Questions involving storage, clustering or enterprise backups,
for instance.
No, on reflection that is not it. Maybe it is that hardware has
now improved to the point where it is fast enough. Software too.
I cannot recall anyone in the past five years or so, when we've
installed new servers or storage arrays from a variety of suppliers,
for different customers, asking how caches or stripe sizes or
anything else should be tuned for particular applications: the defaults
are good enough for most people, most of the time.
hume.sp...@bofh.ca
> it seems that comp.unix.solaris is dead ?
> 10 or 15 years ago, there were sometimes more than 100 new articles
> per day.
That was 10-15 years ago, in Usenet's heyday. I would say it's more likely
that Usenet itself is drying up than any one specific group. And I say this
as a Usenet server administrator who has been watching my daily article
counts drop drastically over just the past couple of months.
> where is the discussion now ?
Most likely on the Sun/Oracle Solaris forums and on opensolaris.org.
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David Combs
(1) the group will die only if we LET it die.
(2) myself, I find trn4 etc a VASTLY better interface for back-and-forth
question-answer-further-question--comment--etc than any browser
could ever be.
IF most others here agree with that, than maybe we can put some effort
into TEACHING the younger folk, almost by definition unfamiliar with
usenet, how to use tools LIKE trn4, etc, and entice them FROM
browser-world over to HERE.
Again, that's only if most people here (this being a pseudo survey)
agree that usenet way outweighs, FOR DISCUSSIONS, forums.
We could train people via one of the test groups easy enough, to
at least READ usenet groups (three or four commands would suffice
for a newbie?) and on how to reply. Pretty simple stuff.
(this post having evolved into a survey) WHAT DO YOU THINK?
David
Richard B. Gilbert
I'm reading this on my Windows/XP desktop. I've been reading net news
since about 1985 using whatever platforms were available: VAX/Alpha VMS,
IRIX, Solaris, RHEL V4.0 and W/XP.
I never heard of "trn4".
I think we are better off with plain text that can be read by just about
any system.
Thad Floryan
> [...]
> I never heard of "trn4".
I suppose you've never heard of Google, either? Just for
starters, initial results of a Google search:
<http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=trn4>
<http://www.freshports.org/news/trn4/>
<http://sourceforge.net/projects/trn/>
<http://stanford.edu/services/pubsw/package/news/trn4.html>
<http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/i386/trn4/filelist>
[... another 108,000 URLs ...]
> I think we are better off with plain text that can be read by just about
> any system.
That's how Usenet began. Sadly, Duke, the origin of Usenet, has shut
down its Usenet server:
<http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/05/18/2342241/Duke-To-Shut-Down-Usenet-Server>
"
" This week marks the end of an era for one of the earliest pieces
" of Internet history, which got its start at Duke University more
" than 30 years ago. On May 20, Duke will shut down its Usenet
" server, which provides access to a worldwide electronic discussion
" network of newsgroups started in 1979 by two Duke graduate students,
" Tom Truscott and Jim Ellis.
"
" Rantastic and other readers wrote about the shutdown of the British
" Usenet indexer Newzbin today; the site sank under the weight of a
" lawsuit and outstanding debt. Combine these stories with the recent
" news of Microsoft shuttering its newsgroups, along with other recent
" stories, and the picture does not look bright for Usenet.
Duke article:
<http://www.dukenews.duke.edu/2010/05/usenet.html>
The Newzbin article was here: <http://www.newzbin.com/> but is now being
redirected to: <http://deepsharer.wordpress.com/2010/05/18/newzbin-gossip/>
Microsoft's Usenet shutting down here:
<http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/05/05/1232253/Spam-Causes-Microsoft-To-Kill-Newsgroups>
Other Usenet badnews:
<http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/07/01/1332215/RIAA-Victory-Over-Usenetcom-In-Copyright-Case>
David Combs
Richard B. Gilbert <rgilb...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>
>I'm reading this on my Windows/XP desktop. I've been reading net news
>since about 1985 using whatever platforms were available: VAX/Alpha VMS,
> IRIX, Solaris, RHEL V4.0 and W/XP.
>
>I never heard of "trn4".
>
unix program from WAY back. "4" for "4th major upgrade" (over maybe
20 years?).
>I think we are better off with plain text that can be read by just about
>any system.
Plain text -- have you ever seen anything OTHER THAN plain
(ascii) text on usenet? (Well, html is creeping in via
people using browsers, rather than "newsreaders", for
dealing with newsgroups.
Newsgroups, I think, are SUPPOSED to be ONLY PLAIN TEXT!
----
Come visit sometime (New Rochelle, NY, 35 min N of Grand Central Station)
and I'll DEMONSTRATE this thing I (and many, many, MANY others too)
use for reading "news", and you'll never go back to your web interface!
(Try me!)
David
Ian Collins
>
> Come visit sometime (New Rochelle, NY, 35 min N of Grand Central Station)
> and I'll DEMONSTRATE this thing I (and many, many, MANY others too)
> use for reading "news", and you'll never go back to your web interface!
I'm sure most people here do as I do and use their mail client
(Thunderbird in my case) to access Usenet.
--
Ian Collins
David Combs
discussion, distribution of new news, warnings of this
or that, and so forth.
Now, ever since Bill Clinton's signing the Telecommunication
Act (allowed huge corporate mergers in media outlets),
Bush illegal spying on phone calls, trying to get rid of
Net "neutrality", illegal orange-suited "renditions",
patriot act probably ready-to-go BEFORE 9-11, and passed
with no one reading it, Obama "no change you could ever
believe in (except via fox news)" plus his recent statement
that he can (and will) shoot ANY AMERICAN he SUSPECTS to
MAYBE be somehow have once touched or listened to a "terrorist",
given all that, your biggest fear might well be the internet
as a way to BYPASS the government line. And QUICKLY, too.
So perhaps the government or the corporations or the
universities (whose Boards are chosen from high corporate
management!) -- might that have something to do with
the "demise" of newsgroups?
I mean, we KNOW that Bush, Cheney, and likely Obama too, sure
would like to CONTROL the internet.
No joke, guys, I wonder just how much their efforts have to
do with all this.
David
Randal L. Schwartz
Ian> I'm sure most people here do as I do and use their mail client
Ian> (Thunderbird in my case) to access Usenet.
What would it take to convince you that you're wrong? :)
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Ian Collins
>>>>>> "Ian" == Ian Collins<ian-...@hotmail.com> writes:
>
> Ian> I'm sure most people here do as I do and use their mail client
> Ian> (Thunderbird in my case) to access Usenet.
>
> What would it take to convince you that you're wrong? :)
In Thunderbird, ^U!
My point was most people who have a choice avoid web interfaces to Usenet.
--
Ian Collins
Richard B. Gilbert
You took the words right out of my fingers! I also use Thunderbird for
mail and news.
Fashionable, or not, it gets the job done!
Rick Jones
> >>>>> "Ian" == Ian Collins <ian-...@hotmail.com> writes:
> Ian> I'm sure most people here do as I do and use their mail client
> Ian> (Thunderbird in my case) to access Usenet.
> What would it take to convince you that you're wrong? :)
Looking at the headers of 100 randomly selected posts?-) IIRC the news
client will put its name in a header somewhere.
rick jones
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Richard B. Gilbert
>>>>>> "Ian" == Ian Collins <ian-...@hotmail.com> writes:
>
> Ian> I'm sure most people here do as I do and use their mail client
> Ian> (Thunderbird in my case) to access Usenet.
>
> What would it take to convince you that you're wrong? :)
>
A lot more than a suggestion such as the above!
I started using Usenet around 1985 and used the VMS mail client to read
messages.
These days I use my PC and the Thunderbird mail client.
Thomas Maier-Komor
me, too. And for Thunderbird there is a nice extension called
"Display Mail User Agent", which shows with an icon what tool people are
using to send their messages. Thunderbird is quite popular, but Google
mail is, too, as well as several other news clients such as tin, nn,
emacs, ...
- Thomas
Thommy M.
Just to show that I remember how to do it, I had to fire up Emacs on my
OpenSolaris laptop to read/post with Gnus. It's been a while since... ;)
> Fashionable, or not, it gets the job done!
Yupp, Thunderbird is quite OK for me...
Richard L. Hamilton
I used to use Mozilla (now SeaMonkey), but it was pretty clunky for
reading News. 99% of the time, I use dtmail for mail on Solaris
(which knows nothing about reading Usenet), and the Mac's native Mail
app on the Mac (ditto), so my usual mail clients give me no help there.
I probably have both Thunderbird and Evolution for Solaris, but neither
impressed me, except if for some reason I wanted encrypted mail or
Exchange interoperability or some such.
Nowadays I favor knews for Usenet. It's graphical, but threaded and can do
basic killfile stuff, and tagging . I even recompiled it for my Mac (I have
Unison for the Mac, but it's features are oriented towards folks that
have no idea what Usenet is, I think.) I started using knews when I
only had a dialup, because it will cache the message summary info for
threading. Threading a big group with trn over a dialup just took too
long. If I want to save messages, knews can save them in a directory
with one file per newsgroup, in mailbox format, which my mail readers
can then read.
Andrew Gabriel
Snap!
A shame it's no longer developed though.
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