Question on connect Win XP-prof. to Visionfs 3.00.925

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Peter Michel

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Jan 22, 2003, 9:39:27 AM1/22/03
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Hi,
we have a small net with same Win98SE pcs connected to VisionFS
3.00.925 on the unixbox.
Now i have to connect a new pc with Windows XP professional to the
net/visionfs.
Sometimes i saw of problems with xp and visionfs, what are the points
to look around and getting it working without problems :-?
Thanks a lot for info!
Cheers Peter

Richard Seeder

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Jan 22, 2003, 10:48:05 AM1/22/03
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"Peter Michel" <proORGA-Leime...@web.de> wrote in message
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First, upgrade VisionFS to 3.10.911; this is a *must* to work with XP. You
can
get 3.10 from http://www.tarantella.com/download/ and the 911
patch from http://www.tarantella.com/support/updates/vision/p.vfs.3.10.911/

Next, use VisionFS encrypted passwords. Finally, XP does not always
report the correct user name and password to VisionFS. Check this with
"visionfs status".

The solution is to set up XP to report correctly by defining the network
user and password to use for the VisionFS server. You can do this by doing
the following (disclaimer: I'm reporting this from memory, so the details
may vary slightly):

Click on control panel --> user account --> change account (click on
account) --> related tasks --> my network passwords --> add --> login info
properties --> set the server, user, password. Restart the XP machine, and
it should work. Note: this method means that *anyone* logged into the XP
machine will have access to the the server under the selected user name!

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bill

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Jan 23, 2003, 6:46:31 AM1/23/03
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Richard Seeder wrote:
...

>
> The solution is to set up XP to report correctly by defining the network
> user and password to use for the VisionFS server. You can do this by doing
> the following (disclaimer: I'm reporting this from memory, so the details
> may vary slightly):
>
> Click on control panel --> user account --> change account (click on
> account) --> related tasks --> my network passwords --> add --> login info
> properties --> set the server, user, password. Restart the XP machine, and
> it should work. Note: this method means that *anyone* logged into the XP
> machine will have access to the the server under the selected user name!
>
Richard,
when I get click on "manage network passwords" I get an empty list and
no "add" button. Might I beg you to actually look at the XP machine to
get the exact path to add a network passord as I am having problems with
the XP machine sending the wrong user name/password.

Tony Lawrence

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Jan 23, 2003, 7:17:49 AM1/23/03
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I have seen that when you change the name of an account. It sends the
old name and the new password if I remember right.

The only solutions I found were to either add the name/password it wants
to use to Visionfs/Samba or abandon that user account on XP (rename it
if you like) and create a new account with the user name and password
you would like to use. See http://aplawrence.com/Bofcusm/1862.html

XP obviously still has some rough edges.

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Stuart J. Browne

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Jan 23, 2003, 4:34:49 PM1/23/03
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> >> The solution is to set up XP to report correctly by defining the network
> >> user and password to use for the VisionFS server. You can do this by
> >> doing
> >> the following (disclaimer: I'm reporting this from memory, so the
details
> >> may vary slightly):
> >>
> >> Click on control panel --> user account --> change account (click on
> >> account) --> related tasks --> my network passwords --> add --> login
info
> >> properties --> set the server, user, password. Restart the XP
> >> machine, and
> >> it should work. Note: this method means that *anyone* logged into the
XP
> >> machine will have access to the the server under the selected user name!
> >>
> > Richard,
> > when I get click on "manage network passwords" I get an empty list and
> > no "add" button. Might I beg you to actually look at the XP machine to
> > get the exact path to add a network passord as I am having problems with
> > the XP machine sending the wrong user name/password.
> >
>
>
> I have seen that when you change the name of an account. It sends the
> old name and the new password if I remember right.

Yup, but you can properly change the name if you go into the user/group
manager. It's somewhat burried under XP, but it's the same interface as
under W2K.

Start/Settings/Control panel/Administrative Tools/Computer Browser

In there, there's a User's section. You'll have the actual user/account
names of the XP machine listed in there.

> The only solutions I found were to either add the name/password it wants
> to use to Visionfs/Samba or abandon that user account on XP (rename it
> if you like) and create a new account with the user name and password
> you would like to use. See http://aplawrence.com/Bofcusm/1862.html
>
> XP obviously still has some rough edges.

Yea, and it's just too bright and bubbly :P

bkx


Tony Lawrence

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Jan 23, 2003, 4:51:53 PM1/23/03
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I'm quite sure that's where I changed the names to no help.

Stuart J. Browne

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Jan 23, 2003, 5:16:32 PM1/23/03
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> >>>>may vary slightly):
> >>>>
> >>>>Click on control panel --> user account --> change account (click on
> >>>>account) --> related tasks --> my network passwords --> add --> login
> >
> > info

<SNIP>

> > Yup, but you can properly change the name if you go into the user/group
> > manager. It's somewhat burried under XP, but it's the same interface as
> > under W2K.
> >
> > Start/Settings/Control panel/Administrative Tools/Computer Browser
> >
> > In there, there's a User's section. You'll have the actual user/account
> > names of the XP machine listed in there.
>
> I'm quite sure that's where I changed the names to no help.

*nod* okie. Have done it there on two in the office successfully.

bkx


Mike Brown

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Jan 24, 2003, 9:48:40 PM1/24/03
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I have noticed the same problem on more sites. It seems that the first
user created/modified on XP may not work with Vision, because the wrong
user ID is being sent.

And some new edges have turned up.

An XP PRO desktop system could browse and mount from NT server, but
was being denied from Vision. The packet sniffer showed that the
user eduardol was using a id of eduardo across the lan. The user
was login into XP as eduardol, had an account of eduardol on NT,
but the 'l' was dropped over the lan. Even stranger was a test
login of eduardo into the XP desktop, it worked. I found no mention
of a seven character limit on user names.

An XP PRO laptop could not browse the network, but a sniffer showed
that the netbios broadcasts were being answered correctly. A find
of computer name failed, but a find by IP address worked, and the
user could mount the required resource. Examination of the packet
trace showed no obvious problem. The XP network properties indicated
that the interface was being firewalled, but the firewall properties
were configured as pass all in, pass all out. Removing the firewall
filter on that interface solved the problem, which leads to the
question(s) of what does pass all mean, and how effective is a rule
that blocks a netbios response by name but not by IP address. The
packet only differs in content.

I'm sure more will follow.

Mike

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Richard Seeder

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Jan 28, 2003, 11:04:02 AM1/28/03
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"bill" <nob...@spamcop.net> wrote in message
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Sorry for the delay; been out of the office. Unfortunately, I don't have
access to the XP machine; the above was done over the phone at a customer
site with a third-party at the controls. Is the networking set up and
working before you try to manage the network passwords? What is XP
reporting to VisionFS?

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crymble

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Jan 29, 2003, 8:56:20 AM1/29/03
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Just been testing this on one of our machines - and here are my
findings.....
(oh BTW we are on visionfs 3.10.905 )

***********************8
Hello all,
As we all know Mr Bill Gates has put some strange things into
windows XP which are causing us some problems. So here is a bit of
info on how to work round some of these problems.

** Changing Usernames **
When you change a username in XP this does not actually change the
name which the machine logs into the Unix server. So really all that
is changed is the display name in XP, not the underlying username.
So if you do need to change a username don't do it the normal way
through control panel then User Accounts. Instead do the following.

Log in as an Admin user on the XP machine - don't worry, you can
change anyone's username.
Start > Settings > Control panel > Performance and Maintenance >
Administration tools > Computer Management > Local user and groups >
Users > Right click on user you wish to change > rename > Put in the
new username.

If you also want to update the password then do this the normal way
through Control Panel > User Accounts

** Server login name **
Say the user already has a username they want to keep on their XP
machine. I'll use the example of someone who logs in to his machine as
'John Smith' If he now tries to access any of the Unix shares,
Visionfs will see him as logging is as a guest user and he will not be
able to access everything.

What you need to do is tell the XP machine that when it logs onto a
particular server to use a certain username. You do this by.

Start > Settings > Control Panel > User Accounts > Select the account
> Manage my network passwords > Add (or modify if there is already
one) > server 'servername' > username 'servername\user' > password
'visionfs password for user' > OK > Log off windows > Log back on
again.

Now every time you try to access a network share on 'servername' XP
will use the username specified and normal access should be restored.

Note: To change this you need to be logged in as the user in question.
Note: If you get asked if you want to update domain password then say
No.


Hope this explains a couple of things which should make our lives a
bit easier.

Keith

bill

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Feb 3, 2003, 9:16:54 AM2/3/03
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crymble wrote:
> Just been testing this on one of our machines - and here are my
> findings.....
> (oh BTW we are on visionfs 3.10.905 )
>
> ***********************8
> Hello all,
> As we all know Mr Bill Gates has put some strange things into
> windows XP which are causing us some problems. So here is a bit of
> info on how to work round some of these problems.
>
> ** Changing Usernames **
> When you change a username in XP this does not actually change the
> name which the machine logs into the Unix server. So really all that
> is changed is the display name in XP, not the underlying username.
> So if you do need to change a username don't do it the normal way
> through control panel then User Accounts. Instead do the following.
>
> Log in as an Admin user on the XP machine - don't worry, you can
> change anyone's username.
> Start > Settings > Control panel > Performance and Maintenance >
> Administration tools > Computer Management

I don't find any "Local User and Groups" tab or option under "Computer
Management"

I have a major heading of "System Tools" with subheadings for Event
Viewer, Shared Folders, Performance Logs and Alerts, and Device Manager.
I have a major heading of Storage ...
I have a major heading of service and Applications with subheadings of
Services, WMI Control and Indexing Service

Where did I go wrong ?


> Local user and groups >
> Users > Right click on user you wish to change > rename > Put in the
> new username.
>
> If you also want to update the password then do this the normal way
> through Control Panel > User Accounts
>
> ** Server login name **
> Say the user already has a username they want to keep on their XP
> machine. I'll use the example of someone who logs in to his machine as
> 'John Smith' If he now tries to access any of the Unix shares,
> Visionfs will see him as logging is as a guest user and he will not be
> able to access everything.
>
> What you need to do is tell the XP machine that when it logs onto a
> particular server to use a certain username. You do this by.
>
> Start > Settings > Control Panel > User Accounts > Select the account
>
>>Manage my network passwords

Whend I have selected the account, and click on Manange my network
Passwords, I am presented with an empty list and no "Add button"

crymble

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Feb 4, 2003, 6:44:02 AM2/4/03
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Dunno, Not had a chance to look again - are you an Admin User?

Also is it XP Pro or Home - I've not tested this on XP home (but I
have had XP home working when the username and password are the same
as the vision username/password.)

Keith


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bill

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Feb 4, 2003, 9:08:22 AM2/4/03
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crymble wrote:
> Dunno, Not had a chance to look again - are you an Admin User?
>
> Also is it XP Pro or Home - I've not tested this on XP home (but I
> have had XP home working when the username and password are the same
> as the vision username/password.)

THis is XP Home
Yes it works when the username and password are the same as the VFS ones,
but XP Home insists that the username (which should be deborah) is
\\Portable\deborah, and won't give up.

Nelson D. Coleman

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Feb 26, 2003, 9:42:36 PM2/26/03
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The web site says to apply the patch from
http://www.tarantella.com/support/updates/vision/p.vfs.3.10.911/
to ONLY SCO VisionFS 3.10.xxx. If we have VisionFS 3.00.925 on the
unixbox, how can we upgrade to 3.10.911? I do not see the 3.10.xxx
listed on the Tarentella website.
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Jean-Pierre Radley

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Feb 28, 2003, 9:55:58 AM2/28/03
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> -o

I do, under www.tarantella.com/downloads.


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Richard Seeder

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Feb 28, 2003, 10:49:46 AM2/28/03
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"Jean-Pierre Radley" <j...@jpr.com> wrote in message
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Well, actually www.tarantella.com/download where you select the Vision2K
product family, check the VisionFS 3.1 box, fill in the form, and download
the product. You can ignore the 30-day trial issue if you are already
running a version of OpenServer which came with a VisionFS license; the
update will automatically be fully licensed.

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Nelson D. Coleman

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Feb 28, 2003, 11:21:13 AM2/28/03
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Thank you, Richard & J.P.. My question should have been "I do not see
the 3.10.xxx UPGRADE listed on the Tarentella website." The upgrade is
what I could not find. I am assuming that the download will already
have the necessary patch regarding encrypted passwords/XP resolution.

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