is there any life here?
lars ouff
anyone here? what can someone tell me about unix and 68k? :) i have a 68k
a600 and a cd32..have been wanting to put linux or unix on of them for fun..
Christian Hoppe
> hey
>
> anyone here? what can someone tell me about unix and 68k? :) i have a 68k
> a600 and a cd32..have been wanting to put linux or unix on of them for fun..
So you cannot use AMIX (which is the native Amiga Unix) and yor are
stuck to BSD or Linux. I think you should have some CPU-power and RAM to
do so.
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Jerry Heyman
Hoppe) wrote:
Linux and NetBSD are going to require a 68020 + MMU or a 68030 as a minimum.
AMIX only ran on 68030 - an A3000.
You could run a Unix like system, minix, on a 68000. I ran it on my A1000
(and later on my A3000). That was back when Minix was at v1. It is now
at v3, and you can find out more at:
though it doesn't appear that there is a m68k port :-(
jerry
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Tor Haltestad Qvale
> You could run a Unix like system, minix, on a 68000. I ran it on my A1000
> (and later on my A3000). That was back when Minix was at v1. It is now
> at v3, and you can find out more at:
>
> http://www.minix3.org
>
> though it doesn't appear that there is a m68k port :-(
He can still download and use Minix 1.5 for Amiga. He'll find it under
"Previous Versions".
He could try out ucLinux too
(http://users.telenet.be/geertu/Linux/68000/). This is a Linux kernel
that doesn't need an MMU, but it's very hackish. He'll might be able to
run uClinux 2.6.8.1 if he's lucky...
Tor
Marco van de Voort
>>
>> So you cannot use AMIX (which is the native Amiga Unix) and yor are
>> stuck to BSD or Linux. I think you should have some CPU-power and RAM to
>> do so.
>
> Linux and NetBSD are going to require a 68020 + MMU
Note that while FPU emulation is nowadays afaik possible with both, having
a FPU will make it easier to use stock distributions and installation
procedures.
At least that is my experience with NetBSD/Linux on 68K macs. Start
harvesting old hardware for FPU's, my friend and I both got 50MHz FPUs from
some HPs that the physics department kicked into a corner. (which were used
with old measuring stuff).
They worked flawlessly with both my 50MHz Mac 68030 card and my friends
Amiga Derrenger(?) board.
Christian Hoppe
> on Tuesday 28 November 2006 12:31 pm, christia...@gmx.de (Christian
> Hoppe) wrote:
>
>
>>lars ouff schrieb:
>>
>>>hey
>>>
>>>anyone here? what can someone tell me about unix and 68k? :) i have a 68k
>>>a600 and a cd32..have been wanting to put linux or unix on of them for
>>>fun..
>>
>>So you cannot use AMIX (which is the native Amiga Unix) and yor are
>>stuck to BSD or Linux. I think you should have some CPU-power and RAM to
>>do so.
>
>
> Linux and NetBSD are going to require a 68020 + MMU or a 68030 as a minimum.
> AMIX only ran on 68030 - an A3000.
Not complete correct. AMIX run on the A3000 with the built-in 68030 (25
MHz; besides it runs n the Blizzard 4030 with 50 MHz too) and on the
A2000/2500 with the CBM 2630 or the CBM 2620. So it runs on 68020 too.
The advantage of AMIX over Linux, BSD an so on is that it is a native
OS. It was created for the machines and not only ported for them. AMIX
is a very nice system and when anyone has the opportunity to install it,
I can recommend it. AMIX is downloadable from the net.
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lars ouff
active user are there on comp.unix.amiga?
Good news though; I have a sx32-mk2 for my cd32, that means I have an fpu,
33mhz right now, the accelerator doesn't have a cpu like the sx32pro, so
that means i have the 68ec020, and also 8mb ram. That means i can in theory
run all of the mentioned os's right?
The cd32 also has; 2.5" disk, a mas-player (hardware mp3decoder), indivision
ff/scand., a a2000 keyboard, brand new mouse, and external floppy.
The a600 has a ram-upgrade, that means 2mb ram, and it has pcmcia-10mbit
network, a 2.5" disk, and will soon have either the new a600 accelerator by
individual computers or a viper 630 (that means 68030/40mhz and fpu).
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Christian Hoppe
>>>>>anyone here? what can someone tell me about unix and 68k? :) i have a
>>>>>68k
>>>>>a600 and a cd32..have been wanting to put linux or unix on of them for
>>>>>fun..
>>>>
>>>>So you cannot use AMIX (which is the native Amiga Unix) and yor are
>>>>stuck to BSD or Linux. I think you should have some CPU-power and
RAM to
>>>>do so.
>>>
>>>
>>>Linux and NetBSD are going to require a 68020 + MMU or a 68030 as a
>>>minimum.
>>>AMIX only ran on 68030 - an A3000.
> Thanks for all the info! Didn't expect this kind of activity, how many
> active user are there on comp.unix.amiga?
>
> Good news though; I have a sx32-mk2 for my cd32, that means I have an fpu,
> 33mhz right now, the accelerator doesn't have a cpu like the sx32pro, so
> that means i have the 68ec020, and also 8mb ram. That means i can in theory
> run all of the mentioned os's right?
No. You cannot use AMIX (at least to my knowledge), which was programmed
exclusively for the A3000 and the 2620/2630. I once heard of a user, who
tried to install it under a GVP-turbocard on his A500, but I have no
positive feedback from him.
So if you really want UNIX on your setup, AMIX is ruled out :(
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Jerry Heyman
Hoppe) wrote:
[ ... discussion of other Unix-like OSes deleted ... ]
>
> Not complete correct. AMIX run on the A3000 with the built-in 68030 (25
> MHz; besides it runs n the Blizzard 4030 with 50 MHz too) and on the
> A2000/2500 with the CBM 2630 or the CBM 2620. So it runs on 68020 too.
Should run on the A3640 (68040 @ 25MHz) too, right?
>
> The advantage of AMIX over Linux, BSD an so on is that it is a native
> OS. It was created for the machines and not only ported for them. AMIX
> is a very nice system and when anyone has the opportunity to install it,
> I can recommend it. AMIX is downloadable from the net.
As it's copyrighted material, how/where can one download it?
Christian Hoppe
> on Wednesday 29 November 2006 12:46 pm, christia...@gmx.de (Christian
> Hoppe) wrote:
>
> [ ... discussion of other Unix-like OSes deleted ... ]
>
>
>>Not complete correct. AMIX run on the A3000 with the built-in 68030 (25
>>MHz; besides it runs n the Blizzard 4030 with 50 MHz too) and on the
>>A2000/2500 with the CBM 2630 or the CBM 2620. So it runs on 68020 too.
>
>
> Should run on the A3640 (68040 @ 25MHz) too, right?
No, it does not run on the 68040.
>>The advantage of AMIX over Linux, BSD an so on is that it is a native
>>OS. It was created for the machines and not only ported for them. AMIX
>>is a very nice system and when anyone has the opportunity to install it,
>>I can recommend it. AMIX is downloadable from the net.
>
>
> As it's copyrighted material, how/where can one download it?
Drop me a mail and I will send the link to you.
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lars ouff
try out other than amigaos on a 68030/40 w/fpu? it's still
maintained/updated, it has a lot of software and documentation..etc. minix
hasn't been updated since 1991 for the 68k and it doesn't have that much
software it seems..
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Jerry Heyman
wrote:
> It seems to me that on a general basis NetBSD would be the best system to
> try out other than amigaos on a 68030/40 w/fpu? it's still
> maintained/updated, it has a lot of software and documentation..etc. minix
> hasn't been updated since 1991 for the 68k and it doesn't have that much
> software it seems..
Don't discount Debian Linux. There is an active mailing list and
IRC channel dedicated to Debian on m68k. I've installed v3r1 and
can't complain - though learning debian sys admin has been a bit of
a hurdle.
Without X support, I feel like I'm back in graduate school sitting at
a VT220 connected to a Vax 11/750
(do I date myself?)
Marco van de Voort
> It seems to me that on a general basis NetBSD would be the best system to
> try out other than amigaos on a 68030/40 w/fpu? it's still
> maintained/updated, it has a lot of software and documentation..etc. minix
> hasn't been updated since 1991 for the 68k and it doesn't have that much
> software it seems..
While I agree in general, OS selection usually comes down to the
application/OS features you want to use.
Do you want to use just one app and it runs on something ancient, then that
can be a justified choice to maximize free memory.
Marco van de Voort
> While I agree in general, OS selection usually comes down to the
> application/OS features you want to use.
>
> Do you want to use just one app and it runs on something ancient, then that
> can be a justified choice to maximize free memory.
(For the record: I run/ran NetBSD too, for "recent" toolchain access)
lars ouff
68k that is, will check that out to, but how come you didn't have x? it's
supported as long as you've got the specs. right?
van de Voort, I agree on you there as well, i there was some special feature
or program in minix then i would've used it, what are toolchains? ;)
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Jerry Heyman
> Heyman, ok great i must've forgot cause i knew about it somehow..debian on
> 68k that is, will check that out to, but how come you didn't have x? it's
> supported as long as you've got the specs. right?
The issue is graphics cards. It appears that I CAN get b/w X on the ECS
chipset. documentation also says 8 colors for AGA (A4000). Bigger issue
is that the resolutions are limited to:
OCS, ECS and AGA machines all use the color frame buffer (amifb). The
following predefined video modes are available:
NTSC modes:
- ntsc : 640x200, 15 kHz, 60 Hz
- ntsc-lace : 640x400, 15 kHz, 60 Hz interlaced
PAL modes:
- pal : 640x256, 15 kHz, 50 Hz
- pal-lace : 640x512, 15 kHz, 50 Hz interlaced
ECS modes:
- multiscan : 640x480, 29 kHz, 57 Hz
- multiscan-lace : 640x960, 29 kHz, 57 Hz interlaced
- euro36 : 640x200, 15 kHz, 72 Hz
- euro36-lace : 640x400, 15 kHz, 72 Hz interlaced
- euro72 : 640x400, 29 kHz, 68 Hz
- euro72-lace : 640x800, 29 kHz, 68 Hz interlaced
- super72 : 800x300, 23 kHz, 70 Hz
- super72-lace : 800x600, 23 kHz, 70 Hz interlaced
- dblntsc-ff : 640x400, 27 kHz, 57 Hz
- dblntsc-lace : 640x800, 27 kHz, 57 Hz interlaced
- dblpal-ff : 640x512, 27 kHz, 47 Hz
- dblpal-lace : 640x1024, 27 kHz, 47 Hz interlaced
- dblntsc : 640x200, 27 kHz, 57 Hz doublescan
- dblpal : 640x256, 27 kHz, 47 Hz doublescan
VGA modes:
- vga : 640x480, 31 kHz, 60 Hz
- vga70 : 640x400, 31 kHz, 70 Hz
Please notice that the ECS and VGA modes require either an ECS or AGA
chipset, and that these modes are limited to 2-bit color for the ECS
chipset and 8-bit color for the AGA chipset.
As I have an A2410 (Univ Lowell) graphics card, I wanted it supported -
it does significantly better resolutions. A2410 isn't supported by
Debian :-( Supported cards are:
clgen driver -
- Piccolo SD64 (Ingenieurbuero Helfrich)
- Piccolo (Ingenieurbuero Helfrich)
- EGS Spectrum (GVP)
- Picasso II (Villagetronic)
- Picasso IV (Villagetronic)
The Picasso II is only supported in linear (non-segmented) mode. Please
make sure that the switch on the rear of the board is set to linear mode.
virge driver -
- CyberVison64/3D
cv64 driver -
- CyberVision 64 (not 3D)
retz3 driver -
- RetinaZ3
Video support information can be found at:
http://people.debian.org/~cts/debian-m68k/woody/
Note also that if you install Debian, to actually boot it, you will require
amiboot program. Since the Amiga has no boot block code (like the PC), you
will boot to AmigaOS, then reboot using the amiboot command and will come up
in Linux.
I had issues during the installation that the m68k folks couldn't resolve
for me. Having to do with writing out the filesystems to the disk. I used
a separate SCSI hard drive, and somohw the necessary area got corrupted
after the first write, so a reinstall wasn't possible on the disk :-(
Your results might differ as the A4000 isn't a SCSI based system.
Christophe Prevotaux
>
> The advantage of AMIX over Linux, BSD an so on is that it is a native
> OS. It was created for the machines and not only ported for them. AMIX
> is a very nice system and when anyone has the opportunity to install it,
> I can recommend it. AMIX is downloadable from the net.
>
I am wondering if you have the source code though ?
Christian Hoppe
I would love to have it, but AFAIK the source is lost :(
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Tor Haltestad Qvale
> Not complete correct. AMIX run on the A3000 with the built-in 68030 (25
> MHz; besides it runs n the Blizzard 4030 with 50 MHz too) and on the
> A2000/2500 with the CBM 2630 or the CBM 2620. So it runs on 68020 too.
>
> The advantage of AMIX over Linux, BSD an so on is that it is a native
> OS. It was created for the machines and not only ported for them. AMIX
> is a very nice system and when anyone has the opportunity to install it,
> I can recommend it. AMIX is downloadable from the net.
Well, it's actually a port of AT&T UNIX System V Release 4 for Amiga.
But you knew that, didn't you?
Are you running AMIX? Is it hard to compile modern open source projects
on the system? Could you please email me the download link as well?
Tor
lars ouff
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Christian Hoppe
> Christian Hoppe wrote:
>
>
>>Not complete correct. AMIX run on the A3000 with the built-in 68030 (25
>>MHz; besides it runs n the Blizzard 4030 with 50 MHz too) and on the
>>A2000/2500 with the CBM 2630 or the CBM 2620. So it runs on 68020 too.
>>
>>The advantage of AMIX over Linux, BSD an so on is that it is a native
>>OS. It was created for the machines and not only ported for them. AMIX
>>is a very nice system and when anyone has the opportunity to install it,
>>I can recommend it. AMIX is downloadable from the net.
>
>
> Well, it's actually a port of AT&T UNIX System V Release 4 for Amiga.
> But you knew that, didn't you?
Yes, I know. What was wanted to express is, that AMIX was
developed/ported only for the amiga, it is not a branch of software,
that is developed in addition to many others. It is said that the
CBM-engineers did a very good job at developing UNIX for the amiga.
> Are you running AMIX? Is it hard to compile modern open source projects
> on the system? Could you please email me the download link as well?
I am running AMIX and it is hard to very hard to compile really modern
software. Remember the system is ages old and the CPU runs with 25 MHz,
and you are limited to 2/16 MB. But it is fun to do so. And Apache, etc.
does exist as a port.
Also you have mail :)
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Tor Haltestad Qvale
>>> Not complete correct. AMIX run on the A3000 with the built-in 68030 (25
>>> MHz; besides it runs n the Blizzard 4030 with 50 MHz too) and on the
>>> A2000/2500 with the CBM 2630 or the CBM 2620. So it runs on 68020 too.
>>>
>>> The advantage of AMIX over Linux, BSD an so on is that it is a native
>>> OS. It was created for the machines and not only ported for them. AMIX
>>> is a very nice system and when anyone has the opportunity to install it,
>>> I can recommend it. AMIX is downloadable from the net.
>>
>>
>> Well, it's actually a port of AT&T UNIX System V Release 4 for Amiga.
>> But you knew that, didn't you?
>
> Yes, I know. What was wanted to express is, that AMIX was
> developed/ported only for the amiga, it is not a branch of software,
> that is developed in addition to many others. It is said that the
> CBM-engineers did a very good job at developing UNIX for the amiga.
Yes, I've heard it was at the time one of the finest implementations of
UNIX. And very easy to install.
> I am running AMIX and it is hard to very hard to compile really modern
> software. Remember the system is ages old and the CPU runs with 25 MHz,
> and you are limited to 2/16 MB. But it is fun to do so. And Apache, etc.
> does exist as a port.
I've always wanted to run real UNIX. I have a Solaris-box, but Solaris is
just System V based, not the real thing. I would love to hack a round with
AMIX. Does gcc run on it?
> Also you have mail :)
Thank you. :-) I'll just need to get an Amiga 3000/030 first, preferable
an Amiga 3000UX (let me keep the dream).
Tor
Christian Hoppe
> Christian Hoppe wrote:
>>>
>>>But you knew that, didn't you?
>>
>>Yes, I know. What was wanted to express is, that AMIX was
>>developed/ported only for the amiga, it is not a branch of software,
>>that is developed in addition to many others. It is said that the
>>CBM-engineers did a very good job at developing UNIX for the amiga.
>
>
> Yes, I've heard it was at the time one of the finest implementations of
> UNIX. And very easy to install.
IMHO it was the first. What I heard is that the CBM-engineers made a
very good work. After release they were ripped apart and put in other
projects. Why CBM did this, nobody knows. There was also the rumour that
SUN wanted to license the A3000UX, but i never made to confirm this from
the SUN fellows, that I know.
>
>
>>I am running AMIX and it is hard to very hard to compile really modern
>>software. Remember the system is ages old and the CPU runs with 25 MHz,
>>and you are limited to 2/16 MB. But it is fun to do so. And Apache, etc.
>>does exist as a port.
>
>
> I've always wanted to run real UNIX. I have a Solaris-box, but Solaris is
> just System V based, not the real thing. I would love to hack a round with
> AMIX. Does gcc run on it?
Yes it does. On failsure.net you find a gcc-installable. Not V4.0 bit a
working gcc-port.
> Thank you. :-) I'll just need to get an Amiga 3000/030 first, preferable
> an Amiga 3000UX (let me keep the dream).
Well, try to get the A3000D. It is the same machine as the UX and not as
rare. I searched for mine quite some time and paid a lot of money for
it. Technically the A3000D is the same (except for the printing on the
case) and equipped with the 2065 and the A2140 it is a very good base
for AMIX.
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