Replacement of Xterms
erin...@my-deja.com
longer make these I need to find a replacement. I have looked into X
emulation software for NT, linux workstations or Ultra 5 workstations.
Right now it is betweent PCs running Linux and Ultra 5s. My intuitions
are strongly in favor of the Ultra 5 workstations, but since I don't
know much about Linux I don't really have any "real" justification at
this point. I will need to be able to justify my choice.
I would appreciate feedback on the pros/cons between Linux and Solaris.
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Timothy J. Lee
|Our engineers are currently using Xterminals. However, since they no
|longer make these I need to find a replacement. I have looked into X
|emulation software for NT, linux workstations or Ultra 5 workstations.
|Right now it is betweent PCs running Linux and Ultra 5s. My intuitions
|are strongly in favor of the Ultra 5 workstations, but since I don't
|know much about Linux I don't really have any "real" justification at
|this point. I will need to be able to justify my choice.
What are the criteria other than being able to run an X server?
Cost? Specific hardware support? Other tasks? User interface
issues? Fitting into a specific administrative methodology?
|I would appreciate feedback on the pros/cons between Linux and Solaris.
How about getting some PCs and installing Linux and Solaris x86
on them for evaluation (be careful with selecting hardware for
Solaris x86, since the hardware compatibility list is more
restrictive than that of Linux)? You can also try BSD on the
same PCs. Throwing an Ultra 5 with Solaris SPARC in for the
evaluation comparison will cost more, but if you are talking
about a large number of "X terminals", or you have other uses
that you can give the Ultra 5 to after the evaluation, then the
cost shouldn't be too much of a problem.
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Matthew C Weigel
>Our engineers are currently using Xterminals. However, since they no
>longer make these I need to find a replacement. I have looked into X
>emulation software for NT, linux workstations or Ultra 5 workstations.
>Right now it is betweent PCs running Linux and Ultra 5s. My intuitions
>are strongly in favor of the Ultra 5 workstations, but since I don't
>know much about Linux I don't really have any "real" justification at
>this point. I will need to be able to justify my choice.
If all you need is a system to run an X server, then what you're really
comaring is X servers, and platform to run them on. If XFree86 (the X
system that runs under Linux) has everything you need, I'd recommend XFree86
running under OpenBSD (I know it's not one of the options you listed, but X
seems to perform better for me under OpenBSD).
Another option you didn't list, but I'd recommend first and foremost, is an
SGI system (O2 or Octane might be in the same price range, I'm not sure).
If Solaris, Linux, and NT are the only options, I'd say Linux based on
nothing but X performance. NT is by far the worst choice, you'd need a
*lot* of RAM to run NT and an X Server, and the X Server probably won't be
able to use any hardware acceleration. Having used Ultra 10s with Creator3d
graphics, Linux systems with sufficient video RAM (4-8MB is fine for 2D)
provide the same crisp image, with better color and faster response.
>I would appreciate feedback on the pros/cons between Linux and Solaris.
If you're looking for more than just X, Solaris or Linux might be a little
more appropriate for different situations. For just X workstations, you
won't need or be able to take advantage of everything Solaris offers for
high-end servers.
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Matthew Weigel
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wei...@pitt.edu
Mike Purdie
only mntion it 'cos I was there the other day). They do a Linux thin-client
from memory, which provides X and Netscape etc.
Cheers
Timothy J. Lee <tim...@netcom.com.DELETE-THIS.INVALID> wrote in message
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> erin...@my-deja.com writes:
> |Our engineers are currently using Xterminals. However, since they no
> |longer make these I need to find a replacement. I have looked into X
> |emulation software for NT, linux workstations or Ultra 5 workstations.
> |Right now it is betweent PCs running Linux and Ultra 5s. My intuitions
> |are strongly in favor of the Ultra 5 workstations, but since I don't
> |know much about Linux I don't really have any "real" justification at
> |this point. I will need to be able to justify my choice.
>
> What are the criteria other than being able to run an X server?
>
> Cost? Specific hardware support? Other tasks? User interface
> issues? Fitting into a specific administrative methodology?
>
> |I would appreciate feedback on the pros/cons between Linux and Solaris.
>
Rev. Don Kool
erin...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> Our engineers are currently using Xterminals. However, since they no
> longer make these I need to find a replacement. I have looked into X
> emulation software for NT, linux workstations or Ultra 5 workstations.
> Right now it is betweent PCs running Linux and Ultra 5s. My intuitions
> are strongly in favor of the Ultra 5 workstations, but since I don't
> know much about Linux I don't really have any "real" justification at
> this point. I will need to be able to justify my choice.
>
> I would appreciate feedback on the pros/cons between Linux and Solaris.
LINUX isn't a UNIX system so it really doesn't count. If you want
to have SOLARIS and zero administration on the desktop along with a
cheap solution, look into using the SunRays.
Hope this helps,
Don
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Bernard Chandler
Don
just curious. Where to get more information on this thing called SunRay?
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Chris Mattern
>
>
> erin...@my-deja.com wrote:
> >
> > Our engineers are currently using Xterminals. However, since they no
> > longer make these I need to find a replacement. I have looked into X
> > emulation software for NT, linux workstations or Ultra 5 workstations.
> > Right now it is betweent PCs running Linux and Ultra 5s. My intuitions
> > are strongly in favor of the Ultra 5 workstations, but since I don't
> > know much about Linux I don't really have any "real" justification at
> > this point. I will need to be able to justify my choice.
> >
> > I would appreciate feedback on the pros/cons between Linux and Solaris.
>
> LINUX isn't a UNIX system so it really doesn't count.
Beg pardon? The "Is Linux Unix?" question is completely irrelevant
to this person. He's not looking for a Unix box, he's looking for
an X Terminal. Do you have some specific reason a Linux running XFree86
or some other X Server wouldn't meet his needs?
> If you want
> to have SOLARIS and zero administration on the desktop along with a
> cheap solution, look into using the SunRays.
>
Chris Mattern
Rev. Don Kool
Bernard Chandler wrote:
> "Rev. Don Kool" wrote:
> > erin...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > > Our engineers are currently using Xterminals. However, since they no
> > > longer make these I need to find a replacement. I have looked into X
> > > emulation software for NT, linux workstations or Ultra 5 workstations.
> > > Right now it is betweent PCs running Linux and Ultra 5s. My intuitions
> > > are strongly in favor of the Ultra 5 workstations, but since I don't
> > > know much about Linux I don't really have any "real" justification at
> > > this point. I will need to be able to justify my choice.
> > >
> > > I would appreciate feedback on the pros/cons between Linux and Solaris.
> >
> > LINUX isn't a UNIX system so it really doesn't count. If you want
> > to have SOLARIS and zero administration on the desktop along with a
> > cheap solution, look into using the SunRays.
> Don
> just curious. Where to get more information on this thing called SunRay?
From "www.sun.com". It is a $500 solid-state desktop device that
functions basically as a really, really, really advanced X-TERM.
The processing is done on the server and all the displays are hosted
on the Sun Rays. They are fast, quiet and need no configuration to
speak of. My only experience with them is from taking the E10000
admin class at SUN. The classroom was wired with them. The staff
said that about 30 of them were all running on a little ULTRA 250
server. They brought up several instances of StarOffice on each one
(in response to student quesitons) and they still continued to cook
along nicely. You just have to make sure to have a bunch of ttys on
your server.
Rev. Don Kool
Chris Mattern wrote:
> "Rev. Don Kool" <old...@home.com> wrote...
> > erin...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > > Our engineers are currently using Xterminals. However, since they no
> > > longer make these I need to find a replacement. I have looked into X
> > > emulation software for NT, linux workstations or Ultra 5 workstations.
> > > Right now it is betweent PCs running Linux and Ultra 5s. My intuitions
> > > are strongly in favor of the Ultra 5 workstations, but since I don't
> > > know much about Linux I don't really have any "real" justification at
> > > this point. I will need to be able to justify my choice.
> > >
> > > I would appreciate feedback on the pros/cons between Linux and Solaris.
> > LINUX isn't a UNIX system so it really doesn't count.
> Beg pardon? The "Is Linux Unix?" question is completely irrelevant
> to this person. He's not looking for a Unix box, he's looking for
> an X Terminal. Do you have some specific reason a Linux running XFree86
> or some other X Server wouldn't meet his needs?
I didn't say that it was out of the realm of possibility that it
would nominally meet his needs. The original poster asked the
question in "comp.unix.admin" and that leaves LINTEL out of the
equation.
Anthony W. Youngman
workstation. Linux will boot quite happily off the network (although I'd
probably put a small hard disk in just for /boot and swap ...)
-----Original Message-----
From: Rev. Don Kool [mailto:old...@home.com]
Posted At: 19 April 2000 13:29
Posted To: admin
Conversation: Replacement of Xterms
Subject: Re: Replacement of Xterms
erin...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> Our engineers are currently using Xterminals. However, since they no
> longer make these I need to find a replacement. I have looked into X
> emulation software for NT, linux workstations or Ultra 5 workstations.
> Right now it is betweent PCs running Linux and Ultra 5s. My
intuitions
> are strongly in favor of the Ultra 5 workstations, but since I don't
> know much about Linux I don't really have any "real" justification at
> this point. I will need to be able to justify my choice.
>
> I would appreciate feedback on the pros/cons between Linux and
Solaris.
LINUX isn't a UNIX system so it really doesn't count. If you
want
to have SOLARIS and zero administration on the desktop along with a
cheap solution, look into using the SunRays.
Hope this helps,
Anthony W. Youngman
From: Rev. Don Kool [mailto:old...@home.com]
Posted At: 20 April 2000 03:07
Posted To: admin
Conversation: Replacement of Xterms
Subject: Re: Replacement of Xterms
Chris Mattern wrote:
> "Rev. Don Kool" <old...@home.com> wrote...
> > erin...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > > I would appreciate feedback on the pros/cons between Linux and
Solaris.
> > LINUX isn't a UNIX system so it really doesn't count.
> Beg pardon? The "Is Linux Unix?" question is completely irrelevant
> to this person. He's not looking for a Unix box, he's looking for
> an X Terminal. Do you have some specific reason a Linux running
XFree86
> or some other X Server wouldn't meet his needs?
I didn't say that it was out of the realm of possibility that it
would nominally meet his needs. The original poster asked the
question in "comp.unix.admin" and that leaves LINTEL out of the
equation.
Hope this helps,
<me - blasted Outlook :-(>
Well, if you bothered to read the original post, you'd know it doesn't
...
</me>
Nick Manka
If you have Solaris software you want to run, you can push it to
the desktop machines, which is nice. If you don't, then buying
ultra 5s as strict Xterminals is just silly.
You can throw together an NLX intel box about the size of a Sun
IPX or Digital Multia, throw FreeBSD and X on it and get better
graphics for a lot less. Most are even netbootable.
I like Suns and all, but frankly their entry level graphics options
suck.
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