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Ben

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Jun 18, 2002, 11:40:50 PM6/18/02
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Hi all,

I have a "Lexmark Z12" printer connected to my NT machine. I'd like to
print from my Linux machine to this printer. My printcap file doesn't
seem to pass the data across the network. When I use lpr command to
print, the file actually shows up in the spool directory in my Linux
7.0 machine but the printer doesn't show any action.

I also tried printing using Samba. In this case, the file gets
transfered across the network and shows up in the spool directory in
NT machine and printer makes an initial sound but fails to print.

I'm fairly new to printing from Linux. Do I need to use filters for
this? If yes, how can I get filters for my particular printer or do I
write my own? I'd like to be able to print under both the
circumstances mentioned above- with printcap file and using Samba.

Can someone help?

Ben

Rev. Don Kool

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Jun 19, 2002, 8:13:18 AM6/19/02
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Ben wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I have a "Lexmark Z12" printer connected to my NT machine. I'd like to
> print from my Linux machine to this printer.

So why are you posting to "comp.unix.admin". You are trying to print
from one non UNIX system to another. Your question has nothing to do
with UNIX systems.

Hope this helps,
Don

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Doug Freyubrger

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Jun 19, 2002, 3:26:58 PM6/19/02
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Ben wrote:
>
> I have a "Lexmark Z12" printer connected to my NT machine. I'd like to
> print from my Linux machine to this printer. My printcap file doesn't
> seem to pass the data across the network. When I use lpr command to
> print, the file actually shows up in the spool directory in my Linux
> 7.0 machine but the printer doesn't show any action.
>
> I also tried printing using Samba.

Samba will take a printer configured on your Linux box and share it with
NT machines. That's the opposite order from what you are trying to do.
Is there any change you can move the printer? Setting it up on a Linux
box is easy (says a guy on a Unix group and therefore biased in that
direction).

Lew Pitcher

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Jun 19, 2002, 3:32:57 PM6/19/02
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The 'smbclient' program supplied with Samba is supposed to be platform
independant (it runs under other OSs than Linux), and can be used as part
of a (local) print filter that routes output to an SMB-enabled printer
(i.e. a printer hosted/SHAREd from a Windows machine).

IIRC, the Samba docs describe how to use smbclient to print. If not, try
the Linux Documentation Project's SMB-Howto (http://tldp.org/)


Lew Pitcher, Information Technology Consultant, Toronto Dominion Bank Financial Group
(Lew_P...@td.com)

(Opinions expressed are my own, not my employer's.)

Peter Boosten

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Jun 20, 2002, 1:08:54 AM6/20/02
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In article <d99e1341.02061...@posting.google.com>, Ben
claimed...
> Hi all,

>
> I also tried printing using Samba. In this case, the file gets
> transfered across the network and shows up in the spool directory in
> NT machine and printer makes an initial sound but fails to print.
>
You don't need Samba in order to print on a NT-box: install TCP-printing-
service on NT, modify your /etc/printcap file (host=NT-box,
printer=sharename).

That's all.

Peter

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chuck

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Jun 20, 2002, 3:40:43 AM6/20/02
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Peter Boosten wrote:

> >
> You don't need Samba in order to print on a NT-box: install TCP-printing-
> service on NT, modify your /etc/printcap file (host=NT-box,
> printer=sharename).
>
> That's all.
>
> Peter
>

The package is called SFU, Services for Unix. It won't be installed by
default. It includes an LPD with bsd-style printing support. I have no idea
about the provenance of the daemon supplied, or how secure it is. I do know
it works well enough.

Chuck

Silvo Bozovicar

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Jun 20, 2002, 4:27:44 AM6/20/02
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Good GOD, what am i looking at?! is that comp.unix.admin or is it
comp.linwindouse.kiddie.shit... folks get REAL, THAT news group is not
meant
to talk about Billie Window and Linus thing ... we're talking about
administration of UNIX system based computers.
It's really annoying to clean and filter information from
questions about non UNIX system based crap...

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Peter Boosten

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Jun 20, 2002, 6:53:26 AM6/20/02
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In article <3D1186FB...@lendtech.com.au>, chuck claimed...

> Peter Boosten wrote:
>
> > >
> > You don't need Samba in order to print on a NT-box: install TCP-printing-
> > service on NT, modify your /etc/printcap file (host=NT-box,
> > printer=sharename).
> >
> > That's all.
> >
> > Peter
> >
>
> The package is called SFU, Services for Unix. It won't be installed by

No, this is not the package I'm talking about: Services for Unix is a
commercial product, while TCP-printing is delivered with your NT: you
just have to install it via Network-config, Services.

> default. It includes an LPD with bsd-style printing support. I have no idea
> about the provenance of the daemon supplied, or how secure it is. I do know
> it works well enough.

TCP printing has no security-features whatsoever.

Peter Boosten

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Jun 20, 2002, 6:56:31 AM6/20/02
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In article <3D119200...@hermes-plus.si>, Silvo Bozovicar claimed...

> chuck wrote:
> >
> > Peter Boosten wrote:
> >
[snip]

>
> Good GOD, what am i looking at?! is that comp.unix.admin or is it
> comp.linwindouse.kiddie.shit... folks get REAL, THAT news group is not
> meant
> to talk about Billie Window and Linus thing ... we're talking about
> administration of UNIX system based computers.
> It's really annoying to clean and filter information from
> questions about non UNIX system based crap...

Man, lighten up: printing FROM a UNIX-based machine was the question,
which in my opinion has everything to do with administration....

>
> --
> Mine is 22
>

Your IQ? ;-)

Silvo Bozovicar

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Jun 20, 2002, 9:00:15 AM6/20/02
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Peter Boosten wrote:

>
> Man, lighten up: printing FROM a UNIX-based machine was the question,
> which in my opinion has everything to do with administration....
>

Dear young friend,

printing form UNIX would be the topic for this news group,
BUT HOWTO setup printing on the Windows NT side IS OFF TOPIC &
discussion here !!!!
Another thing is that LINUX != UNIUX so all morons like you and Ben
should goto comp.linwindouse.kiddie.shit.. and discuss there...

Best Regards, Silvo Bozovicar

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dave...@spamcop.net

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Jun 20, 2002, 9:12:52 AM6/20/02
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Someone who looks an awful lot like Silvo Bozovicar <silvo.b...@hermes-plus.si> wrote:

> Dear young friend,

(snip)

> Best Regards, Silvo Bozovicar


Hmm, we go from having one condescending loony Reverand, to now this, a
condescending Bozo Vicar.

Odd, that.

Dave Hinz

Adam Price

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Jun 20, 2002, 1:47:14 PM6/20/02
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I think I read somewhere that Silvo Bozovicar <silvo.bozovicar@hermes-
plus.si> wrote ... :

> chuck wrote:
>>
>> Peter Boosten wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>> You don't need Samba in order to print on a NT-box: install TCP-

>>> printing- service on NT, modify your /etc/printcap file (host=NT-
>>> box, printer=sharename).


>>>
>>> That's all.
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>
>> The package is called SFU, Services for Unix. It won't be installed
>> by default. It includes an LPD with bsd-style printing support. I
>> have no idea about the provenance of the daemon supplied, or how
>> secure it is. I do know it works well enough.
>
> Good GOD, what am i looking at?! is that comp.unix.admin or is it
> comp.linwindouse.kiddie.shit... folks get REAL, THAT news group is not
> meant
> to talk about Billie Window and Linus thing ... we're talking about
> administration of UNIX system based computers.
> It's really annoying to clean and filter information from
> questions about non UNIX system based crap...

Whatever
*PLONK*


dave...@spamcop.net

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Jun 20, 2002, 1:56:22 PM6/20/02
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Someone who looks an awful lot like Adam Price <adam+...@pappnase.co.uk> wrote:
> I think I read somewhere that Silvo Bozovicar <silvo.bozovicar@hermes-
> plus.si> wrote ... :

>> Good GOD, what am i looking at?! is that comp.unix.admin or is it
(snip)

> Whatever
> *PLONK*

Heh. He sent _me_ an email, taking exception to the fact that I'm running
Linux on a sparc platform, and am therefore less skillful than he is.
Amusingly enough, he then went on to propose that for that reason, I
should not post messages to a Unix group.

Isn't that *cute*?

Dave "But, now Donnie has a friend..." Hinz

Kermit Tensmeyer

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Jun 20, 2002, 6:44:33 PM6/20/02
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"Peter Boosten" <peter.b...@SPAMdsm.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.177bd290d...@news-nl.proxy.dsm-group.com...

> In article <3D1186FB...@lendtech.com.au>, chuck claimed...
> > Peter Boosten wrote:
> >
> > > >
> > > You don't need Samba in order to print on a NT-box: install
TCP-printing-
> > > service on NT, modify your /etc/printcap file (host=NT-box,
> > > printer=sharename).

> > default. It includes an LPD with bsd-style printing support. I have no


idea
> > about the provenance of the daemon supplied, or how secure it is. I do
know
> > it works well enough.

> TCP printing has no security-features whatsoever.

True enough, this is the same method that I use with Solaris workstations
to print to NT based Printers.
Now if they would only add standalone printers to the network, I
could avoid windoze for real work... Of course I use NT products
for part of my job, that what customers/lusers use...


Rev. Don Kool

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Jun 20, 2002, 8:13:45 PM6/20/02
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Amen. When will the LINTEL kiddies figure out that their questions are
off topic on "comp.unix.admin".

Rev. Don Kool

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Jun 20, 2002, 8:15:12 PM6/20/02
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Peter Boosten wrote:
> Silvo Bozovicar claimed...
>>chuck wrote:
>>>Peter Boosten wrote:
>>>
>>
> [snip]
>
>> Good GOD, what am i looking at?! is that comp.unix.admin or is it
>>comp.linwindouse.kiddie.shit... folks get REAL, THAT news group is not
>>meant
>>to talk about Billie Window and Linus thing ... we're talking about
>>administration of UNIX system based computers.
>> It's really annoying to clean and filter information from
>>questions about non UNIX system based crap...
>
>
> Man, lighten up: printing FROM a UNIX-based machine was the question,
> which in my opinion has everything to do with administration....


Actually Pete, if you read the subject, you'll see that the question wasa
about printing from a LINUX to an NT box. There is no UNIX system
involved which makes the entire thread completely off-topic in
"comp.unix.admin".

Happy to have cleared things up for you,

Rev. Don Kool

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Jun 20, 2002, 8:16:42 PM6/20/02
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Kermit Tensmeyer wrote:
> "Peter Boosten" <peter.b...@SPAMdsm.com> wrote...

>>chuck claimed...
>>>Peter Boosten wrote:

>>>>You don't need Samba in order to print on a NT-box: install
>>>
> TCP-printing-
>
>>>>service on NT, modify your /etc/printcap file (host=NT-box,
>>>>printer=sharename).
>>>
>
>>>default. It includes an LPD with bsd-style printing support. I have no
>>
> idea
>
>>>about the provenance of the daemon supplied, or how secure it is. I do
>>
> know
>
>>>it works well enough.
>>
>
>>TCP printing has no security-features whatsoever.
>
>
> True enough, this is the same method that I use with Solaris workstations
> to print to NT based Printers.
> Now if they would only add standalone printers to the network, I
> could avoid windoze for real work... Of course I use NT products
> for part of my job, that what customers/lusers use...


No wonder you're so confused about UNIX systems, froggie. You are an NT
user. LOL!!!

Hope this helps,

SW

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Jun 20, 2002, 10:20:03 PM6/20/02
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"Rev. Don Kool" <old...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:3D10755...@comcast.net...

> Your question has nothing to do with UNIX systems.

<<< YAWN >>>

And your answer has no useful value.


SW

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Jun 20, 2002, 10:20:13 PM6/20/02
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"Rev. Don Kool" <old...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:3D127010...@comcast.net...

> There is no UNIX system involved which makes the
> entire thread completely off-topic in "comp.unix.admin".

<<< YAWN >>>

And posts like this make comp.unix.admin useless to anyone....


Nicholas Bachmann

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Jun 20, 2002, 10:27:38 PM6/20/02
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And yours somehow does?

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SW

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Jun 20, 2002, 11:00:09 PM6/20/02
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"Nicholas Bachmann" <use...@not-real.org> wrote in message
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> And yours somehow does?

Perhaps as much as yours!


Peter Boosten

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Jun 21, 2002, 2:26:14 AM6/21/02
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In article <3D11D1DF...@hermes-plus.si>, Silvo Bozovicar claimed...

> Peter Boosten wrote:
>
> >
> > Man, lighten up: printing FROM a UNIX-based machine was the question,
> > which in my opinion has everything to do with administration....
> >
>
> Dear young friend,

Sounds good, I *feel* young anyhow :-)

>
> printing form UNIX would be the topic for this news group,
> BUT HOWTO setup printing on the Windows NT side IS OFF TOPIC &
> discussion here !!!!

The strength of usenet is that there are so many friendly people uit
there, willing to help you, regardless of culture, race, religion or OS.
You are an perfect example of that.
Anyhow: this question cannot be asked in a Microsoft-newsgroup, since
pure NT-admins don't know about printcap-files (IMHO something UNIX-
like).

> Another thing is that LINUX != UNIUX so all morons like you and Ben
> should goto comp.linwindouse.kiddie.shit.. and discuss there...
>

That is an opinion I'm not going to debate: I'm not a Linux-user, but
Linux is UNIX-like enough to discuss (at least the printing is the same).
I wonder if you reacted the same if the OP asked the same question, but
involving a Solaris-box?

Silvo Bozovicar

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Jun 21, 2002, 6:16:40 AM6/21/02
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Peter Boosten wrote:

> The strength of usenet is that there are so many friendly people uit
> there, willing to help you, regardless of culture, race, religion or OS.
> You are an perfect example of that.

Hghmmm...i am a mixture of carefully selected and blended genes with a
light aromatic taste for pleasant smoking and playing with me.. :P
and i am Human based creature improved with YZ genes..

> Anyhow: this question cannot be asked in a Microsoft-newsgroup, since
> pure NT-admins don't know about printcap-files (IMHO something UNIX-
> like)

It should be asked in MS newsgroup, becouse Q was howto print from
non UNIX system based to MS Windows, problem is about administration of
Windows system...in this newsgroup he can only ask howto setup printcap
files..

It can't be UNIX-like..it can only be non UNIX system based or opposite
UNIX system based something...

>
> > Another thing is that LINUX != UNIUX so all morons like you and Ben
> > should goto comp.linwindouse.kiddie.shit.. and discuss there...
> >
>
> That is an opinion I'm not going to debate: I'm not a Linux-user, but
> Linux is UNIX-like enough to discuss (at least the printing is the same).
> I wonder if you reacted the same if the OP asked the same question, but
> involving a Solaris-box?

Linux can't be UNIX-like becouse it's not UNIX system based..it can only
be
LINUX system based OS...
I wouldn't reply if it was question about Solaris and if he asked only
about
print setings on UNIX system based computers..

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Kermit Tensmeyer

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Jun 21, 2002, 5:53:00 PM6/21/02
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"Rev. Don Kool" <old...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:3D127069...@comcast.net...

> Kermit Tensmeyer wrote:
>> >
> >>TCP printing has no security-features whatsoever.
> >
> >
> > True enough, this is the same method that I use with Solaris
workstations
> > to print to NT based Printers.
> > Now if they would only add standalone printers to the network, I
> > could avoid windoze for real work... Of course I use NT products
> > for part of my job, that what customers/lusers use...
>
>
> No wonder you're so confused about UNIX systems, froggie. You are an NT
> user. LOL!!!

Well my understanding of Unix systems has nothing to do your trademark
issues
My first Unix is Source License Version 6 and none of your 'trademark'
system
were anywhere around... That's around 20 years


Kermit Tensmeyer

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Jun 21, 2002, 5:57:46 PM6/21/02
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"Silvo Bozovicar" <silvo.b...@hermes-plus.si> wrote in message
news:3D12FD08...@hermes-plus.si...

--
> Mine is 22

is that shoe size or IQ?


Rev. Don Kool

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Jun 22, 2002, 12:46:16 PM6/22/02
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Nicholas Bachmann wrote:
> SW wrote:

>> "Rev. Don Kool" <old...@comcast.net> wrote...


>>
>>
>>> Your question has nothing to do with UNIX systems.
>>
>>
>>
>> <<< YAWN >>>
>>
>> And your answer has no useful value.
>>
>>
>
> And yours somehow does?


Don't fight kiddies. This newsgroup is for the discussion of UNIX
systems administration, not for gradeschool insults. They are as off
topic here as discussion of LINUX, Windows or BSD.

Happy to have cleared things up for you,

Rev. Don Kool

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Jun 22, 2002, 12:53:19 PM6/22/02
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Peter Boosten wrote:
> Silvo Bozovicar pointed out...
>>Peter Boosten wrote:

>>>Man, lighten up: printing FROM a UNIX-based machine was the question,
>>>which in my opinion has everything to do with administration....
>>>
>>
>>Dear young friend,
>
>
> Sounds good, I *feel* young anyhow :-)
>
>
>>printing form UNIX would be the topic for this news group,
>>BUT HOWTO setup printing on the Windows NT side IS OFF TOPIC &
>>discussion here !!!!
>
>
> The strength of usenet is that there are so many friendly people uit
> there, willing to help you, regardless of culture, race, religion or OS.
> You are an perfect example of that.
> Anyhow: this question cannot be asked in a Microsoft-newsgroup, since
> pure NT-admins don't know about printcap-files (IMHO something UNIX-
> like).
>
>
>>Another thing is that LINUX != UNIUX so all morons like you and Ben
>>should goto comp.linwindouse.kiddie.shit.. and discuss there...
>>
>
>
> That is an opinion I'm not going to debate: I'm not a Linux-user, but
> Linux is UNIX-like enough to discuss (at least the printing is the same).

Even if that were true, there are newsgroups devoted to LINUX systems
administration. This isn't one of them.

> I wonder if you reacted the same if the OP asked the same question, but
> involving a Solaris-box?

As the question involved setting up a Windows box, it is off topic on
"comp.unix.admin" whether it concerns printing to LINUX or UNIX systems.

Hope this helps,

Rev. Don Kool

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Jun 22, 2002, 12:55:32 PM6/22/02
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SW wrote:
> "Rev. Don Kool" <old...@comcast.net> wrote...

>

>>There is no UNIX system involved which makes the
>>entire thread completely off-topic in "comp.unix.admin".
>
>
> <<< YAWN >>>
>
> And posts like this make comp.unix.admin useless to anyone....

Then why do you continue to make them, my confused young friend?

Yours in Christ,

Rev. Don Kool

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Jun 22, 2002, 1:00:56 PM6/22/02
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dev...@iprimus.c0m.au wrote:


> "Rev. Don Kool" <old...@comcast.net> wrote:

>> No wonder you're so confused about UNIX systems, froggie. You are an NT
>>user. LOL!!!
>
>

> You do know what Windows XP is, don't you Don?

Yup, it's what PCs run on. As a matter of fact, I'm sitting at my home
PC right now using Windows XP. It's a nice break from admin-ing UNIX
systems all week. Nice to have a proper keyboard and not have to fight
those SUN monstrosities. If the morons at SUN could ever manage to
construct a proper keyboard, I might use my SPARC to post from more often.

Yours in Christ,

Rev. Don Kool

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Jun 22, 2002, 1:02:16 PM6/22/02
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Kermit Tensmeyer wrote:
> "Rev. Don Kool" <old...@comcast.net> wrote...
>>Kermit Tensmeyer wrote:

>>>>TCP printing has no security-features whatsoever.
>>>
>>>
>>> True enough, this is the same method that I use with Solaris
>>
> workstations
>
>>>to print to NT based Printers.
>>> Now if they would only add standalone printers to the network, I
>>>could avoid windoze for real work... Of course I use NT products
>>>for part of my job, that what customers/lusers use...
>>
>>
>>No wonder you're so confused about UNIX systems, froggie. You are an NT
>>user. LOL!!!
>
>
> Well my understanding of Unix systems has nothing to do your trademark
> issues
> My first Unix is Source License Version 6 and none of your 'trademark'
> system
> were anywhere around... That's around 20 years

And now your "understanding of Unix systems" is 20 years out of date and
you are an NT user.

Yours in Christ,

j...@arse.net

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Jun 27, 2002, 9:58:44 AM6/27/02
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Silvo Bozovicar <silvo.b...@hermes-plus.si> wrote:
> Another thing is that LINUX != UNIUX so all morons like you and Ben
> should goto comp.linwindouse.kiddie.shit.. and discuss there...

Dear God, he can't even come up with his own troll - he has to do a poor
imitation of Don.

Jack

Stefaan A Eeckels

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Jun 27, 2002, 11:10:02 AM6/27/02
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On Sat, 22 Jun 2002 17:00:56 GMT
"Rev. Don Kool" <old...@comcast.net> wrote:
> PC right now using Windows XP. It's a nice break from admin-ing UNIX
> systems all week. Nice to have a proper keyboard and not have to fight
> those SUN monstrosities. If the morons at SUN could ever manage to
> construct a proper keyboard, I might use my SPARC to post from more
> often.

Please take your off-topic remarks to the appropriate
advocacy groups, Don. This group is about UNIX administration
issues, not Sun hardware.

Thanks,

--
Stefaan
--
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the glamour of city superstition. I could point to railway chairmen
reputed indispensable, whom the shareholders and the travelling public
might with great profit and comfort to themselves send to St. Helena
with a pension of £0,000 a year. -- George Bernard Shaw

Rev. Don Kool

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Jun 27, 2002, 5:38:01 PM6/27/02
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Stefaan A Eeckels wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Jun 2002 17:00:56 GMT
> "Rev. Don Kool" <old...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>PC right now using Windows XP. It's a nice break from admin-ing UNIX
>>systems all week. Nice to have a proper keyboard and not have to fight
>>those SUN monstrosities. If the morons at SUN could ever manage to
>>construct a proper keyboard, I might use my SPARC to post from more
>>often.
>
>
> Please take your off-topic remarks to the appropriate
> advocacy groups, Don. This group is about UNIX administration
> issues, not Sun hardware.

According to what many of the members post here, they welcome off-topic
threads about SUN hardware/LINUX/Windows/FreeBSD/etc., Steve.

Stefaan A Eeckels

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Jun 27, 2002, 6:15:31 PM6/27/02
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On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 21:38:01 GMT

"Rev. Don Kool" <old...@comcast.net> wrote:

>
>
> Stefaan A Eeckels wrote:
> > On Sat, 22 Jun 2002 17:00:56 GMT
> > "Rev. Don Kool" <old...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > >PC right now using Windows XP. It's a nice break from admin-ing UNIX
> > >systems all week. Nice to have a proper keyboard and not have to
> > >fight those SUN monstrosities. If the morons at SUN could ever manage
> > >to construct a proper keyboard, I might use my SPARC to post from more
> > >often.
> >
> > Please take your off-topic remarks to the appropriate
> > advocacy groups, Don. This group is about UNIX administration
> > issues, not Sun hardware.
>
> According to what many of the members post here, they welcome
> off-topic
> threads about SUN hardware/LINUX/Windows/FreeBSD/etc., Steve.
>
> Yours in Christ,
> Don

But I expected you, of all people, to practice what you preach.
How can you expect those poor misguided souls to mend their
ways if their mentor doesn't follow his own exhortations ;-)

Rev. Don Kool

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Jun 27, 2002, 9:11:13 PM6/27/02
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Stefaan A Eeckels wrote:
> "Rev. Don Kool" <old...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>Stefaan A Eeckels wrote:
>>>"Rev. Don Kool" <old...@comcast.net> wrote:

>>>>PC right now using Windows XP. It's a nice break from admin-ing UNIX
>>>>systems all week. Nice to have a proper keyboard and not have to
>>>>fight those SUN monstrosities. If the morons at SUN could ever manage
>>>>to construct a proper keyboard, I might use my SPARC to post from more
>>>>often.
>>>
>>>Please take your off-topic remarks to the appropriate
>>>advocacy groups, Don. This group is about UNIX administration
>>>issues, not Sun hardware.

>> According to what many of the members post here, they welcome
>> off-topic
>>threads about SUN hardware/LINUX/Windows/FreeBSD/etc., Steve.

> But I expected you, of all people, to practice what you preach.


> How can you expect those poor misguided souls to mend their
> ways if their mentor doesn't follow his own exhortations ;-)

Just giving the public what it demands, my child.

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