my site has terrible security
Frank Paine
Oh my how could this happen?
Perhaps the RAIN.org director has been too busy looking at himself in the
mirror! Perhaps he ought to just admit that this is NOT a real non
profit. Perhaps he ought to tell everyone to stop telling him how to run
his baby. Oh he is so busy being the West Coast Net Messiah.
Yours truly,
s t e n c i l
PS: log on and check out
finger ryan
cd his_directory
cat his_files
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 14 May 1993 06:28:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: Marcy Montgomery <ma...@coyote.rain.org>
To: Ken Warfield <warf...@coyote.rain.org>
Cc: Chuck Ryan <ry...@coyote.rain.org>
Subject: business start up
Hi guys - as expected i'm sure we're all thinking and re-thinking this new
business set up proposal. today i will call zena at the association of
realtors to learn how their for profit mls wing is structured. i do
believe it is owned by the non-profit trade wing, but there are many
questions as to how it is legally held. i have concluded we need a model
of how another non-profit has done this so as not to be hunting in the dark.
One of my concerns is that rain should have the option to buy out this
for-profit if it chooses, once enough grant funding has been acquired.
this thought comes from the pervading fear that we will have inadvertantly
created a for-profit competitor that could fall into the hands of a
majority of 'others' who would decide not to use rain as the vehicle and
to take over our accounts themselves, buy their own equipment, and run
rain out of business. ken has suggested that there are ways to protect
ourselves against this. i must see that in writing to really feel
confident though.
Some thought on its structure : President / CEO = timothy, Vice pres =
ken, CFO = Chuck = = = a small tight closely held corporation with you
three as the full board. this way, chuck could elect to move off the board
of rain and focus solely on where his skills are able to return the
greatest service to both rain and this new utility.
some thoughts on shares - but i want to talk to zena to understand this
better - rain 31% chuck 15% timothy 15% ken 14% shareholders 40% - each
share selling for $1,000 to new share holders. in this way the core
rain/group holds 60% as a voting block on any decisions which should
prevent any hostile take over by shareholders eager to become rain's
competitor. i heard 25% and 30% shares discussed yesterday, but as yet
don't see how any one person can demonstrate that high of a share level
and be fair to rain - but i'm open minded on this and know we'll have to
talk it / type it through. notice that i don't even figure into this
equasion at his point, but i do figure in as rain's representative.
given that we still don't know how big this entity will grow, it is
prudent to protect ourselves from the stand point of preparing for the
worst case - which in this case - is that the utility becomes a major
success - like a $3 million a year player. funny how its success can be
viewed as a potential threat to rain , but i think you'll understand my
concerns on rain's behalf.
looking back on yesterdays meeting, i think what you two were trying to
convey to timothy and i is this : in order for you each to feel
comfortable attracting new capital ( ie the $40,000 we still need to raise )
you need two things - one a greater sense of participation in the
operation and financial decisions that effect your $10,000 investments -
another is that you are willing to personally pursue attracting investment
monies if you are promoting a for-profit corporation.
we want you to feel comfortable. we want you to work with us to attract
additional capital. if the manner in which you two feel the most
comfortable taking personal interest in this funding venture is as a small
closely held corporation, then it will be done so. we have been urgently
needing you to express this next level of committment to the project, and
the terms so far agreed upon seem reasonable. the only issue i see left is
the division of shares. i'll know more after speaking with zena on how
this is legally accomplished.
I personally thank-you both for stepping in here and trying to get this
tiger more firmly held in the hand - we are a good team, each with special
skills that make us effective as a unit. i know i am learning a lot and am
trying to gain the neccessary skills to make this work right away. of
course i still hold onto the belief that we will snag a grant that
resolves all of our financial worries, but until that time, we must
proceed as if there are no grants available.
In discussing this with timothy, i think it is important for he and i to
realize that this new utility is a concrete, tangible small business, and
is in no way an interference with our larger pacific rim net project.
that is still the unexplored horizon for us, open to new investors when
the time comes. rain remains our source of salaries for the immediate
future. and this is what he needs to know from you - this whole utility
idea is to make certain that there IS capital to draw on to pay him his
salary. we all see that we just cant run this operation without a full
time manager - volunteer work is just a finger in the dike at this point.
if you will both communicate to him that creating a salary for him is the
major focus of both rain and the utilities financial targets, i think he
deserves that reassurance from you both.
sorry if this email is too long, its my longest ever to date, but there is
so much to say, so much to do. lets strike it big !
Marcy
Charles Ewen MacMillan
>Why here's some mail from the home directory of one of the top dogs here!
>Oh my how could this happen?
>
>Perhaps the RAIN.org director has been too busy looking at himself in the
>mirror! Perhaps he ought to just admit that this is NOT a real non
>profit. Perhaps he ought to tell everyone to stop telling him how to run
>his baby. Oh he is so busy being the West Coast Net Messiah.
>
>Yours truly,
>
>s t e n c i l
>
>
>PS: log on and check out
>finger ryan
>cd his_directory
>cat his_files
>
>
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>Date: Fri, 14 May 1993 06:28:41 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Marcy Montgomery <ma...@coyote.rain.org>
>To: Ken Warfield <warf...@coyote.rain.org>
>Cc: Chuck Ryan <ry...@coyote.rain.org>
>Subject: business start up
>
Reposting of E-Mail without permission is wrong.
Taking deliberate steps to access someone's personal files is wrong as well.
Reposting such files, is vile, and might have legal repercussions.
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Jason Rigler
: In article <2tqt9r$n...@rain.org>, Frank Paine <solu...@rain.org> wrote:
: >Why here's some mail from the home directory of one of the top dogs here!
: >Oh my how could this happen?
: Taking deliberate steps to access someone's personal files is wrong as well.
: Reposting such files, is vile, and might have legal repercussions.
(self righteous pap snipped)
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If you're stupid enough to make your files so fucking accessible, you
DESERVE to have your flaws revealed.
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>If you're stupid enough to make your files so fucking accessible, you
>DESERVE to have your flaws revealed.
[..]
I see. So if I were to dump the mailspool of sosi.com to a few newsgroups,
all of the users of sosi.com would deserve this? If I were to hack root
at rainbow and, in tribute to P0SSE, rm -rf ~skywise, you would deserve this?
I'm sorry, but that's a bit fucked up. "Look! You have a fleshy portion of
your skull I can stick this knife into! Oops! Well, you deserved it!"
There are ways of revealing flaws that don't cause damage. Whether one
chooses to expore these ways is another matter entirely.
James
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R.M. Thorp
Hmmm....any bloke who reposts his boss' email on the net is lucky to still have a
job ;)
Rooster
Lewis E. Wolfgang
Jason Rigler <sky...@rainbow.sosi.com> wrote:
>Charles Ewen MacMillan (il...@tezcat.com) wrote:
>
>: Taking deliberate steps to access someone's personal files is wrong as well.
>
>: Reposting such files, is vile, and might have legal repercussions.
>
>DESERVE to have your flaws revealed.
You are definitely a turd, Jason.
If you are stupid enough to leave your front door unlocked, you DESERVE to
be robbed-beaten-murdered, obviously. What, you do lock your front door?
But you don't have bars on your windows? That's stupid! You should have
had bars installed. You again DESERVE to be robbed-beaten-murdered.
If the email in question had been posted inadvertently by the author to
USENET, that's stupid. But he has a presumption of privacy if the message
was left in his home directory. His lack of understanding of file permissions
does not cancel his right to privacy.
God had you in mind when he invented lawyers.
Regards,
Lewie Wolfgang
Jason Rigler
: In article <2tv7bs$k...@rainbow.sosi.com>,
: Jason Rigler <sky...@rainbow.sosi.com> wrote:
: >If you're stupid enough to make your files so fucking accessible, you
I dare you to say that to the judge when you leave your front door or
: car unlocked, and someone walks off with all your stuff.
: Lack of security is not an excuse to violate it.
I beg to differ! If you are rich, and you're stupid enough to leave the
front door to your fabulous Beverly Hills penthouse unlocked, you DESERVE
it, for your stupidity. What the LAW says is another matter...
Jason Rigler
: In article <2tv7bs$k...@rainbow.sosi.com>,
: Jason Rigler <sky...@rainbow.sosi.com> wrote:
: You are definitely a turd, Jason.
Not a turd, just opinionated.
: If you are stupid enough to leave your front door unlocked, you DESERVE to
: be robbed-beaten-murdered, obviously. What, you do lock your front door?
: But you don't have bars on your windows? That's stupid! You should have
: had bars installed. You again DESERVE to be robbed-beaten-murdered.
IF I was a bank, and I left my front door unlocked, what would happen?
The above, OBVIOUSLY. The email posted was by a SYSADMIN.. he should
KNOW better.. this is the guy who has everyone's PRIVATE fucking
information. If he can't even hide or protect his own files, how could
he POSSIBLY protect the system's personal data? The guy who posted this
is probably OFF of his server now, but I bet that sysadmin will lock
those holes up RIGHT away. HOW many words did I capitalize in this
message? Anyways, to get to the bottom line.. was any damage done? No
permanent damage, no. Will the sysadmin fix up the hole? MORE than
likely.. therefore, this guy did a service, in a round-about way.
: If the email in question had been posted inadvertently by the author to
: USENET, that's stupid. But he has a presumption of privacy if the message
: was left in his home directory. His lack of understanding of file permissions
: does not cancel his right to privacy.
This is JUST as stupid.
: God had you in mind when he invented lawyers.
Sure.
: Regards,
: Lewie Wolfgang
Peace.
james atkins
>
>I beg to differ! If you are rich, and you're stupid enough to leave the
>front door to your fabulous Beverly Hills penthouse unlocked, you DESERVE
>it, for your stupidity. What the LAW says is another matter...
>
Ok. If you keep making stupid posts and I decide to come nail you in the
head with a baseball bat, just remember: you _deserved_ it. Sheesh
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>In article <2u2pso$1...@rainbow.sosi.com> sky...@rainbow.sosi.com (Jason Rigler) writes:
>>
>>I beg to differ! If you are rich, and you're stupid enough to leave the
>>front door to your fabulous Beverly Hills penthouse unlocked, you DESERVE
>>it, for your stupidity. What the LAW says is another matter...
>>
>Ok. If you keep making stupid posts and I decide to come nail you in the
>head with a baseball bat, just remember: you _deserved_ it. Sheesh
I'll bear witness to this. Jason did admit that he deserved it...
Steve
This is funny, really. :)
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Charles Ewen MacMillan
>: In article <2tqt9r$n...@rain.org>, Frank Paine <solu...@rain.org> wrote:
>: >Why here's some mail from the home directory of one of the top dogs here!
>: >Oh my how could this happen?
>(nifty message snipped)
>
>: Taking deliberate steps to access someone's personal files is wrong as well.
>
>: Reposting such files, is vile, and might have legal repercussions.
>(self righteous pap snipped)
>: --
>: Charles Ewen MacMillan <il...@xochi.tezcat.com>
>
>If you're stupid enough to make your files so fucking accessible, you
>DESERVE to have your flaws revealed.
>
>
Thank you for that crucial piece of information, however, that would not
occur on my system.
I fail to see how the fact that someone can do such a thing, dictates
that it should happen. Any system can be attacked with denial of service
attack, does that justify people doing so?
I think not.
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Patrick Mcdowell
reiterated...
In article <CrnLq...@sunspot.nosc.mil> wolf...@sunspot.nosc.mil (Lewis E. Wolfgang) writes:
>If you are stupid enough to leave your front door unlocked, you DESERVE to
>be robbed-beaten-murdered, obviously. What, you do lock your front door?
>But you don't have bars on your windows? That's stupid! You should have
>had bars installed. You again DESERVE to be robbed-beaten-murdered.
I suppose it should be said again so that people will come to understand: a
computer is NOT a house, your internet account is NOT a house, file
permissions are NOT doors or windows. You are not allowed to enter an
unlocked house without permission (in this society, with exceptions for
special circumstances). You are allowed to read files with world readable
file permissions. You are permitted to read a world readable file. That
is what the word permission means in the phrase 'file permissions'. We do
not call a door 'entrance permission', because it is NOT entrance
permission. We call file permissions 'file permissions', because they ARE
file permissions.
>If the email in question had been posted inadvertently by the author to
>USENET, that's stupid. But he has a presumption of privacy if the message
>was left in his home directory. His lack of understanding of file permissions
>does not cancel his right to privacy.
I agree, he has a right to privacy. His right to privacy is enforced by
file permissions, that is what they are there for in the first place. If I
snarf his files with the comsat bug or some such, then that privacy is
violated. His lack of understanding of file permissions is quite
irrelevant. If he unknowingly makes files world readable and consequently
his files are read, you could say he made a mistake or he had an accident,
but nothing illegal or immoral would have gone on; it is simply a mistake,
and we learn from our mistakes.
I'm not saying you shouldn't flame the original poster, mind you. Go for
it, he'd probably appreciate it. Some people seem to like flames...
Also, I don't mean to sound too _insert_word_here_, but it seems to me that
the argument you are making could come off as 'Just because he's stupid
doesn't mean we shouldn't respect his privacy.' I think, at least, it
could be interpreted this way, and that's why I feel this argument is a
little insulting to people's intelligence. I think it would be better
appreciated if you could modify your position somewhat, dropping the bit
about 'lack of understanding'. Intelligence levels aren't particularly
relevant in all of this, imho.
John F Hall
p...@pp7.cs.ucf.edu "Patrick Mcdowell" writes:
> If he unknowingly makes files world readable and consequently
> his files are read, you could say he made a mistake or he had an accident,
> but nothing illegal or immoral would have gone on; it is simply a mistake,
> and we learn from our mistakes.
But that doesn't excuse the person who read them publishing them. At the
very least that's breach of copyright, probably also breach of confidence.
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Bob Bagwill
: You are allowed to read files with world readable file permissions.
: You are permitted to read a world readable file. That is what the word
: permission means in the phrase 'file permissions'.
Not really. Just because you *can* peek through a bedroom window with
binoculars doesn't mean you're *allowed* to. The real crime is how
difficult it is to make most Unices reasonably secure.
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Charles Chip Buchholtz
: I suppose it should be said again so that people will come to understand: a
: computer is NOT a house, your internet account is NOT a house, file
: permissions are NOT doors or windows. You are not allowed to enter an
: unlocked house without permission (in this society, with exceptions for
: special circumstances). You are allowed to read files with world readable
: file permissions. You are permitted to read a world readable file.
This isn't generally true for all machines, although it may be true on
[pick one: some machines, most machines, all the machines that you've
used, machines that are administered the way you think they should be,
etc].
For example, it is not true on the systems I administrate. Quoting
from the policy statement given to everyone when they get their
account:
Only read other people's files if you have permission from the
owner to read them. This applies to both protected and unprotected
files.
On these systems, a person's privacy is still respected even if they
are ignorant or clumsy in their use of "chmod" and "umask". We
created this policy because we found that many of our customers
expected this behavior; they assumed that their account would be
respected *as if* it were a house, and the files permissions the doors
and windows.
We can discuss what policy *should* be, and we can discuss what common
practice is, but it is silly to discuss what policy is. On any given
machine, the policy is what it is. IMHO, this discussion makes as
much sense as discussing whether it is wrong to drive on the left side
of the road.
Charles H. Buchholtz Systems Programmer ch...@seas.upenn.edu
School of Engineering and Applied Science
University of Pennsylvania
Paul King
The analogy here isn't accurate. A better one would be the large
plate glass window on the storefront. If there's an obstruction,
curtains, black paint whatever, no, you can not look in. If there's a
display you can look in. File permissions must be set to allow access,
or deny access (yes there is a default, but if you are so unconcerned
with your files privacy that you are unaware of what it is or how to
change it then the whole discussion is pointless) explicitly. There is
no reasonable expectation of privacy when you have put the goods on
display, however if you paint the window black, then yes, you may
expect privacy and security.
Local policy may over ride such considerations, but unless it's
stated explicitly you can not expect it.
Now unix security, of course is another topic, and we all know the
old mantra. "Unix is a security void"
-Paul
Craig Nordin
the permissions, when in restricted mode, form a fence.
No one says you can get jailed without at least a No Trespassing
sign on the property you are travelling. If you jump a 10 foot
fence, then the police can bust ya. There really isn't a
No Trespass sign facility in Unix, but you can recognize the
permission restrictions as a fence.
If someone has their fence only half up, that ain't good enough.
If you are smart enough to bust through and get to a file that
is clearly restricted, my opinion is that you should be held
responsible for tresspass or theft -- on the other hand I don't
think a real law would be drafted well enough at this time, so
I'd settle for the sysadmin deciding you are wrong and booting
you off the system. You knew the deal and you decided you were
better than abiding by the fenceline.
If you come in again under another name, that is fraud, plain
and simple (unless they let you use handles and then it is their
fault).
just my opinion...
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Karsten Johansson
:> I suppose it should be said again so that people will come to understand: a
:> computer is NOT a house, your internet account is NOT a house, file
:> permissions are NOT doors or windows. You are not allowed to enter an
:> unlocked house without permission (in this society, with exceptions for
:> special circumstances). You are allowed to read files with world readable
:> file permissions. You are permitted to read a world readable file. That
:> is what the word permission means in the phrase 'file permissions'. We do
:> not call a door 'entrance permission', because it is NOT entrance
:> permission. We call file permissions 'file permissions', because they ARE
:> file permissions.
Excellent analogy. Take it a step in the other direction. Door permissions
on stores would be an 'open' sign, and the door unlocked, and the lights on.
So if you see a store with the 'open' sign, an unlocked door, and the lights
on, you can safely assume that you are allowed to enter and make use of its
services.
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Lewis E. Wolfgang
Karsten Johansson <ks...@csis.pcscav.com> wrote:
>Patrick Mcdowell (p...@pp7.cs.ucf.edu) wrote:
>:> I suppose it should be said again so that people will come to understand: a
>:> computer is NOT a house, your internet account is NOT a house, file
>:> permissions are NOT doors or windows. You are not allowed to enter an
>:> unlocked house without permission (in this society, with exceptions for
>:> special circumstances). You are allowed to read files with world readable
>:> file permissions. You are permitted to read a world readable file.
>
>Excellent analogy. Take it a step in the other direction. Door permissions
>on stores would be an 'open' sign, and the door unlocked, and the lights on.
>So if you see a store with the 'open' sign, an unlocked door, and the lights
>on, you can safely assume that you are allowed to enter and make use of its
>services.
Bad analogy. A home directory is not a store. A store presumes an invitation
to enter, that's what it is there for. A home directory does not presume an
invitation to others. A home directory is more like a real home, analogy
wise.
Say I was naked in my bedroom with the blinds closed. My blinds are
angled so that from the street you can't see in. Further assume that
someone wanted to peep at all my 240 pounds (now there's an assumption!)
From the street, you can see my house, just as you can see a home directory
name without being inside. But to see me, you must hop a small fence and
look through the blinds at just the right angle. Just as you must "cd"
into a home directory to see what is inside.
I propose that hoping the fence (even though it was easy) is trespassing.
Further, peeping at my rippling sinews is voyeurism, even though you didn't
have to break anything to get there. Just because I was stupid by not
closing the blinds all the way does not give someone the right to trespass
and peep.
Now if I left the blinds fully open, I deserve whatever I asked for, just
as long as you don't have to trespass. It would be the same as leaving
a valuable file in /tmp. If you leave it there, it should be fair game.
In California, maybe elsewhere too, it is illegal to listen to others
cellular telephone calls with a scanner. I vaguely recall legal precedent
for email privacy too. Perhaps some kind soul would care to clarify.
Here's to analogies,
Lewie Wolfgang
Kevin Darcy
Patrick Mcdowell <p...@pp7.cs.ucf.edu> wrote:
>I'd email this, except I think the first part might deserve to be
>reiterated...
>
>In article <CrnLq...@sunspot.nosc.mil> wolf...@sunspot.nosc.mil (Lewis E. Wolfgang) writes:
>>If you are stupid enough to leave your front door unlocked, you DESERVE to
>>be robbed-beaten-murdered, obviously. What, you do lock your front door?
>>But you don't have bars on your windows? That's stupid! You should have
>>had bars installed. You again DESERVE to be robbed-beaten-murdered.
>
>I suppose it should be said again so that people will come to understand: a
>computer is NOT a house, your internet account is NOT a house, file
>permissions are NOT doors or windows. You are not allowed to enter an
>unlocked house without permission (in this society, with exceptions for
>special circumstances). You are allowed to read files with world readable
>file permissions. You are permitted to read a world readable file.
You are simply incorrect. Replace "are" with "able" in the two sentences above.
File system permissions are only technical niceties -- what really and truly
defines your PERMISSIONS and AUTHORITY are the policies of the organization.
>We call file permissions 'file permissions', because they ARE file permissions.
No, we call them file "permissions" only in a shorthand figurative sense.
Their actual name is "Mode Access Bits", and they don't necessarily reflect
the policies and procedures of the organization in all cases.
>>If the email in question had been posted inadvertently by the author to
>>USENET, that's stupid. But he has a presumption of privacy if the message
>>was left in his home directory. His lack of understanding of file
>>permissions does not cancel his right to privacy.
>
>I agree, he has a right to privacy. His right to privacy is enforced by
>file permissions,
Is that the policy of the organization? That *ONLY* file mode access bits will
determine an employee's authority to read someone else's file? I highly doubt
it.
Please don't confuse a technical mechanism with a policy structure. They are
not the same thing at all. That would be like saying that only the Chairman of
the Board of a corporation should have the root password to any of its
machines. Ludicrous.
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Tim Chown
>Excellent analogy. Take it a step in the other direction. Door permissions
>on stores would be an 'open' sign, and the door unlocked, and the lights on.
>So if you see a store with the 'open' sign, an unlocked door, and the lights
>on, you can safely assume that you are allowed to enter and make use of its
>services.
A computer system is not a store! The owner of a store expects you to
come in and browse, the owner of a computer system certainly does not.
In my opinion you're assuming the wrong "default" on "permissions", at
least wrong in the sense of what the majority of people would think.
Just because a user or sysadmin is ignorant of security does not mean you
should automatically assume you can exploit that ignorance.
Tim
PS. Half the posts here should be in alt.meaningless.analogies :)
John G. Wagner
Well I guess I might as well join in the stupid contest.
Some people leave "permissions" on a file so OTHERS!! can read them,
this doesn't mean ALL just another user. If this user is NOT you then
maybe you can read it, but reposting it to the network is OUTTA BOUNDS!
And since this is email, there *IS* a law against posting others mail
without permission of that party, even if you can read it. I, as a
sysadmin, can read any/all mail on my system, but it doesn't give me the
right to repost any, for any reason!!! I think that someone that says
things in that vein should not be on ANY computer period. I control
25+ unix boxes and countless MAC and PC type boxes, and files contained
on these items are the property of the owner and not for the public.
The idea of comparing it to a store is nice... the part that people missed
is that sure a store says OPEN and come on in... but it doesn't say
shoplift!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you must pay for an item, even
if nobody happens to be at the counter when you enter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
entering is one thing, but leaveing without paying for a service is not
looked on very well by the public. The same goes for a house, you may
enter, but by no means when I invite you in, did I intend for you to rob
me blind. On a computer *data* IS a "item" like a couch or ring or dish,
and must be treated in that manner. In a store, if it doesn't say anything
about paying before leaving, you still must do so, if you want ANY item
that is not marked free. And in unix a file marked FREE is in /tmp!!!
Home dir's are just that PRIVATE places, I can't keep everyone out, because
then how do the people that I need to transfer info with get it?? Geez
I must have an open door, but that doesn't give you the right to enter and
STEAL information that is not yours.
Sorry to be long winded, but some people just get under my skin..
John
P.S. Let's get this right, since I'm 6'8" and weight in at 265, and
can kick your ass, that means I can kick your ass, and there is nothing
you can do about it!!!!! right? NOT!
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Cheryl Haaker
arguments on the following breach of security have centered around
file protections and user responsibilities. What about the system
manager's responsibilities to enlighten dumb users?
In article <2tqt9r$n...@rain.org>, solu...@rain.org (Frank Paine) writes:
>Why here's some mail from the home directory of one of the top dogs here!
>Oh my how could this happen?
>
>Perhaps the RAIN.org director has been too busy looking at himself in the
>mirror! Perhaps he ought to just admit that this is NOT a real non
>profit. Perhaps he ought to tell everyone to stop telling him how to run
>his baby. Oh he is so busy being the West Coast Net Messiah.
>
>Yours truly,
>
>s t e n c i l
So... have you bothered to TELL your director that he's left his sensitive mail
world readable? Did he skip the mandatory user training at your site? Is
there ANY user training at your site? If not, why not? You know these upper
management types may not have much in the way of computer smarts. I'm sure many
think that if they can click a mouse on a Mac, they're real computer gurus.
They may never have heard of file "permissions" or the general availability
of e-mail to the net. They probably have crappie passwords, too.
The point being that, if you, as a techie, know better, it's part of your
job to tell your management. They hired you for your computer expertise,
not your good looks, right?
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+ _ \<,_ (505) 345-6555 (+ 4 = fax)
+ (_)/ (_) "Everybody looks good in ASCII"
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Timothy R. Spielman
zum Thema "Re: my site has terrible security":
> Also, I don't mean to sound too _insert_word_here_, but it seems to
> me that the argument you are making could come off as 'Just because
> he's stupid doesn't mean we shouldn't respect his privacy.' I
> think, at least, it could be interpreted this way, and that's why I
> feel this argument is a
Reading a file and posting it are two different things. Why in the hell
would a _normal_ human being wish to post a private letter like that?
That is an action that cannot be defended.
I do find your argument interesting though. The idea is rather sound -
"file permissions"! :-))
One thing you must admit though; the actions of the poster were damn
childish...
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M.H. Woodill
>arguments on the following breach of security have centered around
>file protections and user responsibilities. What about the system
>manager's responsibilities to enlighten dumb users?
>In article <2tqt9r$n...@rain.org>, solu...@rain.org (Frank Paine) writes:
>>Why here's some mail from the home directory of one of the top dogs here!
>>Oh my how could this happen?
>>
>>Perhaps the RAIN.org director has been too busy looking at himself in the
>>mirror! Perhaps he ought to just admit that this is NOT a real non
>>profit. Perhaps he ought to tell everyone to stop telling him how to run
>>his baby. Oh he is so busy being the West Coast Net Messiah.
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>So... have you bothered to TELL your director that he's left his sensitive mail
>world readable? Did he skip the mandatory user training at your site? Is
>there ANY user training at your site? If not, why not? You know these upper
>management types may not have much in the way of computer smarts. I'm sure many
>think that if they can click a mouse on a Mac, they're real computer gurus.
>They may never have heard of file "permissions" or the general availability
>of e-mail to the net. They probably have crappie passwords, too.
> + __o Cheryl Haaker, haa...@technet.nm.org
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Could anyone supply a summary of this thread to those of us who are
standing outside the yellow crime scene tape and watching the flames?
I suppose it relates to the unfortunate post I ran across on
alt.folklore.computers detailing a supposed private e-mail message in
which the entrepreneurial saliva was flowing. Should it have been on
alt.forgery or not?
I'm still pretty new on the 'Net and sometimes I get confused. I really
didn't expect to get such a graphic (no pun intended) example of my
previously expressed concerns regarding site security.
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Jayme Cox
[long article about who doesn't pay attention to security and who should]
> Could anyone supply a summary of this thread to those of us who are
> standing outside the yellow crime scene tape and watching the flames?
> I suppose it relates to the unfortunate post I ran across on
> alt.folklore.computers detailing a supposed private e-mail message in
> which the entrepreneurial saliva was flowing. Should it have been on
> alt.forgery or not?
Pretty much. It seems what happened was two things. Either someone using
their account legaly or from an account they illegaly obtained the password
for found some mail (from 1993) from Timothy, Marcy and someone else about
how they should set up RAIN as a dual non-profit and for profit entity.
Since they had read permission to this file they decided to post it to
several newsgroups. They also found several peoples files which were
world writable (A BIG SECURITY HOLE) and modified them.
While these incidents are not world shattering they also occured
at a time when we had several break in attempts to other machines on the
internet originating here at rain.org. It's quite upsetting to have
three or four sys admins yelling at you about your users breaking into
their machines :(
So needless to say we did some house cleaning (removed a bunch of
old innactive accounts) and implemented some stricter security measures.
> I'm still pretty new on the 'Net and sometimes I get confused. I really
> didn't expect to get such a graphic (no pun intended) example of my
> previously expressed concerns regarding site security.
Site security on a machine such as rain is a jugling act. Most of our
users are not very familiar with the internet and the need for secure
passwords. Because of this most users accounts are not very secure. We
also have a few people who are not aware (or don't care) about "net
etiquet" (or however you spell it).
The fun never stops......
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JC158
"Angelheaded hipsters burning for the ancient heavenly connection to the
starry dynamo in the machinery of night." --"Howl" by Allen Ginsberg
Mike Suzio
>Site security on a machine such as rain is a jugling act. Most of our
>users are not very familiar with the internet and the need for secure
>passwords. Because of this most users accounts are not very secure. We
>also have a few people who are not aware (or don't care) about "net
>etiquet" (or however you spell it).
It's spelled etiquette.
If the problem is that your users pick shitty passwords, then you need to
install a better passwd program. I mean, it's a really, really, bad idea
to let people choose bad passwords! It's not hard to find a passwd program
that checks prospective passwords and refuses easily cracked ones (here, we
use npasswd).
Even better, don't let users choose passwords. Do like DOD level security,
and have a program *assign* a password to them. The passwords these
programs generate are chosen to be not *too hard* to remember (so the user
doesn't just write it down), but impossible to crack by brute force.
In short, users picking bad passwords is no excuse.
>The fun never stops......
Well, if security breaches are fun, don't let me rain on your parade :-).
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chris ulrich
I really think that people should be told explicitly when
they are given an account on any computer system "There is
absolutely no privacy on this system. Your files will be
read by people to whom you have not given explicit permision.
All data on this machine is owned by the owner of the machine.
Your email can and will be read by anyone who is of a mind
to read it. Certain faculties have been implemented to protect
your data from deletion/examination, but these faculties are
by no means foolproof."
Computers are not houses. They are two completely different.
The only way to insure privacy is encryption. Anyone who
tells you differently does not understand the issues involved.
Anyone who wants to protect their clients' or users' data
should use some form of encryption. Computers give the illusion
of privacy, but it is only an illusion on a public access
system.
in...@ac.ucr.edu Ecstatic peace
insom@ucrvms Savage conquest
Jon Hamilton
[...]
>Even better, don't let users choose passwords. Do like DOD level security,
>and have a program *assign* a password to them. The passwords these
>programs generate are chosen to be not *too hard* to remember (so the user
>doesn't just write it down), but impossible to crack by brute force.
There's no such thing as "impossible to crack by brute force".
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| CS Solaris Systems Support Group, Iowa State University |
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Marc Hyman
>Site security on a machine such as rain is a jugling act. Most of our
>users are not very familiar with the internet and the need for secure
>passwords. Because of this most users accounts are not very secure. We
>also have a few people who are not aware (or don't care) about "net
>etiquet" (or however you spell it).
Jayme, Several bbs's have password programs with defined requirements and
predefined required password changes, and I wonder why rain is so
incredibly *LAX* in this area! My suggestion? Make it IMPOSSIBLE to
have passwords with that are only alphabetic, have to have at least one
numeral and one letter, and have between 8 -12 letters. This is already
available, and I am sure that one could also install a password program
that requires a user to change the password after a predetrmined period,
say a month or two (I think renegade bbs software does this, tho this
isnt internet). If one wanted to make it EVEN MORE SECURE, you could
have it not only require at least one letter and number, but also a meta
character, such as ^ or & or * etc.
Also, concerning net ettiquette, Rain should include this with the signup
pamplet!! Included with this pamphlet would be rules that are grounds for
action from rain!!
Steve, consultant for bbr publishing and Mark Hyman
Almighty Gwar
>Also, concerning net ettiquette, Rain should include this with the signup
>pamplet!! Included with this pamphlet would be rules that are grounds for
>action from rain!!
You got a startup pamphlet?!?!? I just got a phone call saying the
account had been created. (Also had the wrong password and took 3
or 4 calls to the answering machine to get a response.)
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Ian Fitchet
>and have a program *assign* a password to them. The passwords these
>programs generate are chosen to be not *too hard* to remember (so the user
>doesn't just write it down), but impossible to crack by brute force.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That's clever. Fancy expanding?
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Fujitsu Fulcrum Telecommunications ltd., Fordrough Lane, Birmingham, B9 5FL
Stephan Zielinski
>PS. Half the posts here should be in alt.meaningless.analogies :)
This post is like a red-haired stepchild sodomizing a giraffe.
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My brain hurts.
Christopher D. Heer
>msu...@tiamat.umd.umich.edu (Mike Suzio) writes:
>[...]
>>Even better, don't let users choose passwords. Do like DOD level security,
>>and have a program *assign* a password to them. The passwords these
>>programs generate are chosen to be not *too hard* to remember (so the user
>>doesn't just write it down), but impossible to crack by brute force.
>There's no such thing as "impossible to crack by brute force".
Perhaps not, but there is "so improbable that it's as close to impossible to
crack by brute force as makes no odds."
PGP comes to mind. . .
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Mark Dz...........
>
>>There's no such thing as "impossible to crack by brute force".
>
>Perhaps not, but there is "so improbable that it's as close to impossible to
>crack by brute force as makes no odds."
>
>PGP comes to mind. . .
>
You can make things even more difficult to crack with a challenge
response device e.g. Watchword or SecureID which use a calculator device
to change the password every minute or so.
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Watch this space for announcements about London's forthcoming "Cyber Cafe"
Shirley Anne Sullivan
dav...@netmanage.com
sometimes this is better than tight security
In article <woodman.772297410@coyote>, <woo...@rain.org> writes:
> Xref: netman-gate alt.security:8501 comp.unix.admin:20578
> Path:
netman-gate!psinntp!psinntp!news.ilx.com!news.dorsai.org!news2.sprintlink.net!n
ews.sprintlink.net!rain.org!coyote!woodman
> From: woo...@rain.org (M.H. Woodill)
> Newsgroups: alt.2600,alt.security,rain.local.general,comp.unix.admin
> Subject: Re: my site has terrible security
> Date: 22 Jun 1994 08:19:49 -0700
> Organization: Regional Access Information Network (RAIN)
> Lines: 43
> Message-ID: <woodman.772297410@coyote>
> References: <2tqt9r$n...@rain.org> <2u72an$3...@lynx.unm.edu>
> NNTP-Posting-Host: rain.org
Sam Ismail
: Lewis E. Wolfgang (wolf...@sunspot.nosc.mil) wrote:
: : In article <2tv7bs$k...@rainbow.sosi.com>,
: : Jason Rigler <sky...@rainbow.sosi.com> wrote:
: : You are definitely a turd, Jason.
: Not a turd, just opinionated.
: : If you are stupid enough to leave your front door unlocked, you DESERVE to
: : be robbed-beaten-murdered, obviously. What, you do lock your front door?
: : But you don't have bars on your windows? That's stupid! You should have
: : had bars installed. You again DESERVE to be robbed-beaten-murdered.
: IF I was a bank, and I left my front door unlocked, what would happen?
[ blah blah blah expunged ]
So this guy jason finds some vaguely interesting e-mail message on some
system somewhere and posts it here, and then expects us to hail him as lord
hack supreme? I don't think so. Go do something productive, junior...like
looking up the word "puerile".
On the flip side, the "unlocked front door" analogy is a stupid one and
doesn't work. While the guy obviously didn't "deserve" to have his e-mail
posted here, it is still his responsibility to secure his system and files.
While you may feel safe leaving your door unlocked at night, it doesn't
mean nobody is going to come in and cause harm. Life's a bitch. It is
as much your responsibility to secure your system and data as it is to lock
your door.
s t e n c i l
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prince:WIfrhGaMTDepY:1492:102:Roy Prince:/user/users8/prince:/bin/menus
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sonic:bZtVf3Strv90A:1495:102:Brandon Freels:/user/users8/sonic:/bin/csh
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mudman:FUd6EpOgJedp.,.:1508:102:Glenn Wolf:/user/users8/mudman:/bin/menus
walker:lEOdchCfOs1Vw:1509:102:Stan Walker:/user/users8/walker:/bin/menus
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gibbonsj:7fGMPlnvRQKys:1516:102:Jeff Gibbons:/user/users8/gibbonsj:/bin/menus
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gich:GWT7ETaxW3Hy6:1523:102:Gerald Ichikawa:/user/users8/gich:/bin/menus
fphillip:pCAK.MThEP6Oc,.:1524:102:Fletcher R Phillips:/user/users5/fphillip:/bin/menus
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scott:A2yk86PRKKatc:1526:102:Scott Lindenthaler:/user/users8/scott:/bin/csh
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williams:Ul3ZEC6gC8rzQ,.:1553:102:Thomas Williams:/user/users8/williams:/bin/menus
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raywhite:LGQgb3dZDbjPg:1556:102:Ray White:/user/users8/raywhite:/bin/csh
clio:sdVQQO/H9Ss86:1558:102:History Dept. [Thacher]:/user/users8/clio:/bin/tcsh
martinez:GJPS1EOylhYT2:1559:102:Larry Martinez:/user/users8/martinez:/bin/tcsh
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hyman:gW4zhUUWXcRyk:1577:102:Marc Hyman and Bbr Publishing:/user/users8/hyman:/bin/csh
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ojthach:YWEwuOc7w546I:1585:102:The Thacher School:/user/users8/ojthach:/bin/tcsh
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osborne:iWzf21rs9uOu.,.:1599:102:Osborne McGraw-Hill Publishing:/user/users9/osborne:/bin/menus
louisa:oluzweQScoYAA:1600:102:return:/user/users9/louisa:/bin/menus
afsteph:DX4hZ8Yjv9c6c:1603:102:Dr. Ann Foxworthy Stephenson:/user/users9/afsteph:/bin/menus
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ollie:W2gAzbUGOFLe.:1609:102:Ollie:/user/users9/ollie:/bin/tcsh
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timothyt:oGZ8Urr2NvFtY,.:1619:102:Timothy Tyndall:/user/users9/timothyt:/bin/menus
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slip2:UN8QqN0mEkV6Y,.:1632:102:Slip Test Account:/user/users9/slip2:/bin/tcsh
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adrian:MMbPHJNFWV0zA,.:1636:102:Adrian Butash:/user/users9/adrian:/bin/menus
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hill:ZGgsQrrkspUTM,.:1669:102:Dima's Slip Account:/user/users9/hill:/bin/csh
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windwiz:zXfsG1erYqO1c:1671:102:Dan Rubesh:/user/users9/windwiz:/bin/tcsh
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dowmarx:MHzT7saPxEHvY:1686:102:Dow Marx:/user/users9/dowmarx:/bin/tcsh
craig:rAMHgd96ukiL.,.:1687:102:Craig Johnson:/user/users9/craig:/bin/menus
whh:MPfX/Jy2CEYbE:1688:102:s t e n c i l:/user/users9/whh:/bin/menus
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loki:nmreYWU02ORqI:1692:102:Thomas Nau:/user/users9/loki:/bin/menus
jav3:fwuGBMnD2vF3U,.:1693:102:Joseph A. Vargo III:/user/users9/jav3:/bin/menus
tasker:W7tkL.N4i221g:1695:102:passing the open windows:/user/users9/tasker:/bin/tcsh
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smitley:7zfSjOIZBzOuQ:1698:102:Twilite:/user/users9/smitley:/bin/tcsh
rickr:YOpbl2waeaS5M:1699:102:Rick Ray:/user/users9/rickr:/bin/menus
pjterry:q1ym352vuStjg:1700:102:P. John Terry:/user/users9/pjterry:/bin/menus
rinorton:BDx9H3ewbM.H6:1701:102:Richard Norton:/user/users9/rinorton:/bin/menus
wtabris:d5VPVYo7SE122:1702:102:Bill Tabrisky:/user/users9/wtabris:/bin/tcsh
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mchale:*MUdA/sCEUV7EE,.:1704:102:Trish McHale:/user/users9/mchale:/bin/menus
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crispin:aMnzNcYsu9k.o:1707:102:Raymond Crispin:/user/users9/crispin:/bin/menus
wamaster:V66BBJxK0w8RU:1708:102:Bill Master:/user/users9/wamaster:/bin/menus
macgyver:meqS7yVdAJarE,.:1709:102:Jeff Williams:/user/users9/macgyver:/bin/menus
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emilyb:jigVqfXWvybAE,.:1713:102:Emily Belzer:/user2/users1/emilyb:/bin/menus
jsterne:FxcftKzLWu.f2:1714:102:Jim Sterne:/user2/users1/jsterne:/bin/menus
proto:NO-WAY-MAN:1715:102:Prototype User:/user2/users1/proto:/bin/menus
ceoguest:ngoddt38i6j3M:1716:102:S.B. County Education Office:/user2/users1/ceoguest:/bin/menus
lkkunkel:kh31MCJJfZg02,.:1717:102:Leslie Kent Kunkel:/user2/users1/lkkunkel:/bin/menus
kulrich:GJJaQqyKjE.6Y:1718:102:Kathy Ulrich:/user2/users1/kulrich:/bin/menus
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bross:qyS8g.FMHiGss:1720:102:Bruce:/user2/users1/bross:/bin/menus
gxl83043:6SqMxj92I5OQU,.:1722:102:Gerritt Lee:/user2/users1/gxl83043:/bin/menus
nguyen:CTUSpbPjqA6gk:1723:102:Annie Nguyen:/user2/users1/nguyen:/bin/menus
bergman:A.x0zF.GFrnNU:1724:102:B. Bergman:/user2/users1/bergman:/bin/menus
mj:GVLsOmR1fyA8U:1725:102:Maciej Jesmanowicz:/user2/users1/mj:/bin/menus
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lytle:y2cX96Rvx5jvU:2176:102:John Lytle:/user2/users5/lytle:/bin/menus
yukari:JGk3N0jUw6QPM:2177:102:Hank Okazaki:/user2/users5/yukari:/bin/tcsh
c44wbb:cWe0DssOuUbCs:2178:102:Bill Bonenberger:/user2/users5/c44wbb:/bin/menus
071648aa:vwJQie3VUttTk:2179:102:James Martin:/user2/users5/071648aa:/bin/menus
amook:homE8EN145mnk:2180:102:Alex Mook:/user2/users5/amook:/bin/menus
pdiamond:5W1OJUWxBVY.c:2181:102:Pete Diamond:/user2/users5/pdiamond:/bin/menus
bbridge:8lcwoOMz6errM:2182:102:Burton Bridge:/user2/users5/bbridge:/bin/menus
simon:eywOeahih/NMw:2183:102:C. Brad Simon:/user2/users5/simon:/bin/menus
mphilips:Pf4SUhLoX7r9k:2184:102:Mark Phillips:/user2/users5/mphilips:/bin/menus
Jeremy Payne
|> I am so tired off trying to get the lamez sysadmin here to do something.
|>
Ummm, I haven't been following this thread, so sorry if I'm out of line here,
but what on earth possessed you to post your site's passwd file??? I am NOT
going to do anything with this, but to prove a point I ran a freely available
tool on it, and got 15 users passwords in the first 2 minutes. This is
not good... Now your site has appalling security.
---------------------------
Jeremy Payne
UIUC Neuroscience program &
College of Medicine
jrp...@uiuc.edu
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DFRussell
There is a good chance that it wasn't:
Login name: whh In real life: Bill Hertzog
Directory: /user/users9/whh Shell: /bin/menus
Last login Wed Jul 27 10:47 on ttyp3 from term1.rain.org
New mail received Wed Jul 27 11:36:09 1994;
unread since Wed Jul 27 11:05:12 1994
No Plan.
who actually posted the file...
P.S. The system I used must be faster than your's,
I got over 80 passwords before getting bored and
killing the thing :) They probably have a bunch
of new users by now :)
--
dfru...@unixmail.rtpnc.epa.gov; MMTSI UGTS, at the EPA
DISCLAIMER: I don't speak for the EPA or Martin Marietta.
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Tiger! Tiger! burning bright, in the forests of the night,
What immortal hand or eye, could frame thy fearful symmetry.
Christopher Klaus
: s t e n c i l (w...@rain.org) wrote:
: : I am so tired off trying to get the lamez sysadmin here to do something.
: So you get to try another service provider now that you've lost your
: account, in Leavenworth no less, you STUPID CLUELESS FUCK...
Somehow I really doubt he posted that from his own account when it appears
so many had easy to guess passwords.
: Your administrator has been notified, your post is having a cancel issued
: for it, and your personal information will likely be forwarded to the FBI.
If it was his account or not, I wonder how the FBI would prosecute him. I
mean, all he did was post a world readable file. And if anyone wanted to
see that file, all they would need to do is buy an account on that system
for $40 or whatever they charge. Im not trying to defend him (I think his
actions were pretty rude), but I am wondering what is the law around posting
a public file? Seems like more and more things will become illegal on the
net - obscene porno pictures, /etc/passwd, email threats (or does this apply
only to the US President?), exporting crypto systems from the US, whats
going to be next?
--
Christopher William Klaus <ckl...@shadow.net> <i...@shadow.net>
Internet Security Systems, Inc. Computer Security Consulting
2209 Summit Place Drive, Penetration Analysis of Networks
Atlanta,GA 30350-2430. (404)998-5871.
Stephan Zielinski
>Your administrator has been notified, your post is having a cancel issued
>for it, and your personal information will likely be forwarded to the FBI.
AND YOUR LITTLE DOG TOTO, TOO!
Matt Beal
: David E. Fox (ro...@belvedere.sbay.org) wrote:
: : s t e n c i l (w...@rain.org) wrote:
: : : I am so tired off trying to get the lamez sysadmin here to do something.
: : So you get to try another service provider now that you've lost your
: If it was his account or not, I wonder how the FBI would prosecute him. I
: mean, all he did was post a world readable file. And if anyone wanted to
I don't think it's a matter of prosecution. It has to do with the fact that,
assuming the FBI is interested, this tidbit will go in his personal file
and he would likely never get any kind of job involving security, national
or otherwise.
*shrug*
Matt
David Case
->Christopher Klaus (ckl...@anshar.shadow.net) wrote:
->: David E. Fox (ro...@belvedere.sbay.org) wrote:
->: : s t e n c i l (w...@rain.org) wrote:
->: : : I am so tired off trying to get the lamez sysadmin here to do something.
->: : So you get to try another service provider now that you've lost your
->: : for it, and your personal information will likely be forwarded to the FBI.
->: If it was his account or not, I wonder how the FBI would prosecute him. I
->I don't think it's a matter of prosecution. It has to do with the fact that,
->assuming the FBI is interested, this tidbit will go in his personal file
->and he would likely never get any kind of job involving security, national
->or otherwise.
A- The FBI would start laughing if you bothered them with this. Too many
serial killers out there and too many fires to start <sorry, bad joke>
B- Do you really belive that the person who owns that account
actually posted the file???? I would think not.
BTW, has rain made any comments about this? Have they even noticed ?
Thank You,
David Case
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* Phone = (415)626-1629 *
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Michael Packer
: Matt Beal was found guilty of posting the following:
: ->Christopher Klaus (ckl...@anshar.shadow.net) wrote:
: ->: David E. Fox (ro...@belvedere.sbay.org) wrote:
: ->: : s t e n c i l (w...@rain.org) wrote:
: ->: : : I am so tired off trying to get the lamez sysadmin here to do something.
: ->: : So you get to try another service provider now that you've lost your
: ->: : for it, and your personal information will likely be forwarded to the FBI.
: ->: If it was his account or not, I wonder how the FBI would prosecute him. I
: ->I don't think it's a matter of prosecution. It has to do with the fact that,
: ->assuming the FBI is interested, this tidbit will go in his personal file
: ->and he would likely never get any kind of job involving security, national
: ->or otherwise.
: A- The FBI would start laughing if you bothered them with this. Too many
: serial killers out there and too many fires to start <sorry, bad joke>
: B- Do you really belive that the person who owns that account
: actually posted the file???? I would think not.
: BTW, has rain made any comments about this? Have they even noticed ?
i sent mail to root but never heard anything back at all....
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Roger Marquis
> i sent mail to root but never heard anything back at all....
It may well have been the sysadmin who posted the file. Sometimes it takes
extreme measures to get management approval... (I hope my boss doesn't see
this :-)
Roger Marquis
Michael Will
>: I am so tired off trying to get the lamez sysadmin here to do something.
>So you get to try another service provider now that you've lost your
>account, in Leavenworth no less, you STUPID CLUELESS FUCK...
Why are you reacting like that? Of course he was rather rude posting that
information - but the systemadmin is to blame. After all the information
is freely available. He has not stolen it or something, he has not hacked
at all. he has just issued a user-command showing the information. It is
the sysadmins fault.
He has installed the system in such an open way - and should have learned
of this. If you keep your encrypted passwords in /etc/passwd or enable
every silly user to use ypcat passwd to see them, it is your fault alone.
And if you do not manage to prevent this you should at least use the
default-security-tools like Crack to find out and close weak accounts.
People who use their surename as password are a security-risk just as
systemadmins who fail to use the publicly available tools. You can even
use Crack from a crontab once a week and mail every user who got cracked
to change his password real-soon-now or something, really.
>Your administrator has been notified, your post is having a cancel issued
>for it, and your personal information will likely be forwarded to the FBI.
Yes, and the cia is already preparing a death-squad and the army is on it's
way. get a life.
Cheers, Michael Will
--
. . Michael Will <mich...@desaster.student.uni-tuebingen.de>
. cs-student in Tuebingen, Germany, Europe, Earth, Solar-System, [...]
Tim Weaver
>information - but the systemadmin is to blame. After all the information
>is freely available. He has not stolen it or something, he has not hacked
>at all. he has just issued a user-command showing the information. It is
>the sysadmins fault.
>
>He has installed the system in such an open way - and should have learned
>of this. If you keep your encrypted passwords in /etc/passwd or enable
>every silly user to use ypcat passwd to see them, it is your fault
>alone.
>
doormat, doesn't give this idiot the right to take out national ads
pointing this out.
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| Microcomputer Coordinator | 1200 Academy | These are MY opinions! |
| email: twe...@kzoo.edu | Kalamazoo MI 49006 | Mine!! Mine!! Mine!! |
David Jaglowski
: I don't buy this. Just because the sys-admin left the key under the
: doormat, doesn't give this idiot the right to take out national ads
: pointing this out.
: --
You have the right to do anything you want, as long as you have the ammunition
to fight it out with those who come after you.
KWall
>It seems what happened was two things. Either someone using
>their account legaly or from an account they illegaly obtained the
password
>for found some mail (from 1993) from Timothy, Marcy and someone else
about
>how they should set up RAIN as a dual non-profit and for profit entity.
>Since they had read permission to this file they decided to post it to
>several newsgroups. They also found several peoples files which were
>world writable (A BIG SECURITY HOLE) and modified them.
> While these incidents are not world shattering they also occured
>at a time when we had several break in attempts to other machines on the
>internet originating here at rain.org. It's quite upsetting to have
>three or four sys admins yelling at you about your users breaking into
>their machines :(
> So needless to say we did some house cleaning (removed a bunch of
>old innactive accounts) and implemented some stricter security measures.
-and the flames have been hot... "UNIX is a security void" was one of the
first UNIX quips I ever heard. SysAdmins have a responsibility to educate
their users; users have a responsibility to protect their files;
visitors/guests on other systems have a responsibility to act responsibly.
The computer industry is astonighingly childish and immature - thinking
that normal civility does not apply in cyberspace, that anything I _can_
do is _okay_ to do. For cryin' out loud, the vandals who write viruses say
it is my fault if I get one because I did not take adequate security
precautions, totally ignoring the fact that _they_ were the ones writing
the damn virus! Grow the fuck up! I protect my files and my email from
people that think this way - I learned how to do this in the class for new
users that my first SysAdmin made available - but it is unfortunate this
is necessary. One final note: one) I am never responsible for what other
people do - no one died and left me in charge - only for limiting my
exposure to their senseless acts of stupidity and ignorance.