Indentation of Footnotes
Stefan Salewski
Is there a way to prevent LaTex from indenting the
first line of a footnote?
In Germany most people use no indentation for
paragraphs, but an empty line. So footnotes without
indentation would be nice.
In some german books the numbers of footnote ends
with a ), both in the text and in the footnote. Can I tell
LaTex to do this?
I hope someone can help.
Stefan Salewski
Christoph Nahr
<Sale...@physnet.uni-hamburg.de> wrote:
>Is there a way to prevent LaTex from indenting the
>first line of a footnote?
In case you're using LaTeX 2e, redefinition of the \footnote command
is covered extensively in section 3.4.1 of The LaTeX Companion by
Goossens, Mittelbach, Samarin, published by Addison-Wesley, 1994. The
book is the standard guide to customising LaTeX. I used it myself to
change the footnote formatting (though not in the way you describe).
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François Patte
> Hello!
>
> Is there a way to prevent LaTex from indenting the
> first line of a footnote?
>
> In Germany most people use no indentation for
> paragraphs, but an empty line. So footnotes without
> indentation would be nice.
>
> In some german books the numbers of footnote ends
> with a ), both in the text and in the footnote. Can I tell
> LaTex to do this?
>
> I hope someone can help.
>
> Stefan Salewski
Try manyfoot package.
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Rafael Feismann
<Sale...@physnet.uni-hamburg.de> wrote:
>In some german books the numbers of footnote ends
>with a ), both in the text and in the footnote. Can I tell
>LaTex to do this?
You would like to have the a) instead of the number or within the
number. That may be a difference.
If you only want to use the alphabet characters you can change with a
renewcommand the style in which the footnote will appear. Look in the
LaTeX-Manual. But you have to know, that than you have to set the
number of the footnote to 1 when you arrived the z). That may be very
difficult if you want to insert later a footnote.
R. Feismann
Robin Fairbairns
>Is there a way to prevent LaTex from indenting the
>first line of a footnote?
>
>In Germany most people use no indentation for
>paragraphs, but an empty line. So footnotes without
>indentation would be nice.
>
>with a ), both in the text and in the footnote. Can I tell
>LaTex to do this?
>
if you'll produce a latex file that typesets examples of how both the
footnote reference, and the footnote should look, i may be able to
sort this out for you using footmisc. (i don't believe your
description above is unambiguous, or i'ld consider making the change
today.)
someone else suggested the manyfoot package, but i didn't think it
offered this sort of thing.
--
Robin Fairbairns, Cambridge
Stefan Salewski
I have downloaded the manyfoot package, but there I cant find
a solution for my problem. Maybe in the book "The Latex Companion"
from Goossens there is one, I will try to get this book.
What I want is very simple, I think there is no reason to
write a LaTex file to explain it.
Footnotes generated with the \footnote{} command
looks like this:
---------------------------
1This is the first footnote
on this page.
2This is the second footnote
on this page.
Of course the digits "1" and "2" are superscripts like in the book of
L. Lamport. What I want is only that there are no spaces in front of
the digits "1" and "2". This is all, it should be simple. It should look
like
---------------------------
1This is the first footnote
on this page.
2This is the second footnote
on this page.
The reason why I want this is: In germany we prefer to write
This is the
the first section.
And this is
the second section.
instead of
This is the
the first section.
And this is
the second section.
The footnotes should look the same like the
sections in the text!
The other point was, that in some german books
the numbers of the footnote are followed by a ")", so
the number of the second footnote would be "2)"
instead of just "2". Both in the text, and in the footnote
itself. Of course without the quotes, and typed with
superscript. But this in less importend.
Best regards
Stefan Salewski
James Kilfiger
>What I want is very simple, [to suppress indentation of footnotes]
The footmisc package can do this, with the marginal or flushmargin option.
James
Robin Fairbairns
i know that :-)
what rather concerned me was his assertion that he needed a close
paren after the footnote number. and when i asked for tex code to
show exactly what he was after he produced an ascii fragment, which
confirmed my guess that he's really after footnote numbers at normal
size, on the base line, rather than in superscript position.
which is something footmisc doesn't (and probably won't ;-) do...
wurrrrrd, however, is good at that sort of thing, i believe.
--
Robin Fairbairns, Cambridge
Stefan Salewski
I thought it was clear what my intension was, but
you have convinced me that a LaTex text may be more precise.
So here is the LaTex fragment, I hope sending it with Netscape will work.
Best regards
Stefan Salewski
\catcode`\ä = \active
\catcode`\Ä = \active
\catcode`\ö = \active
\catcode`\Ö = \active
\catcode`\ü = \active
\catcode`\Ü = \active
\catcode`\ß = \active
\documentclass[12pt,a4paper,fleqn]{book}
\usepackage{german}
\usepackage{a4}
\usepackage{graphicx}
\usepackage[small]{caption2}
\usepackage{t1enc} %hyphenation of words with umlauts
%\usepackage[para*]{manyfoot}
\defä{"a}
\defÄ{"A}
\defö{"o}
\defÖ{"O}
\defü{"u}
\defÜ{"U}
\defß{"s}
\selectlanguage{german}
\setlength{\parindent}{0pt}
\setlength{\parskip}{1.0ex plus 0.5ex minus 0.25ex}
\begin{document}
\chapter{This is chapter one}
\section{This is section one}
The footnote in the text should look as in the next line.
\par
The third word$^{1)}$ has a footnote.
\par
The footnote itself should look like
\par
--------------------------------------\\
$^{1)}$This is the text at the bottom of the page.
\end{document}
Stefan Salewski
I dont think that only word-user prefer the
separation of sections with empty lines
instead of a line with indentation.
Most of my physics and mathematics books
(Teubner, vieweg, ...) use the style with empty lines.
Indentation is ok for text-only books, but in
books with a lot of formulas this indentation may
looks a bit strange. If I would write my diploma-
or PhD-Thesis in german language, but with english stile,
my professor may think that I was not able to use
the stile without indentation, and may advice me to
write with MS-word the next time!
Regards
Stefan Salewski
Robin Fairbairns
>Thanks for all your help.
>I thought it was clear what my intension was, but
>you have convinced me that a LaTex text may be more precise.
>So here is the LaTex fragment, I hope sending it with Netscape will work.
there was a remaining ambiguity, as i explained.
get footmisc from ctan and give it a whirl (simply processing the .dtx
will give you user documentation uncontaminated with details of the
code ;-). you need either the marginal or the flushmargin package
options -- read the doc.
the file is available from macros/latex/contrib/supported/footmisc
i have one or two goodies to add to the package, and will add the
requirement explicitly to format the footnote mark (in a way such as
adding a closing paren, as you want) to the list of things. don't
expect it this month, though...
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Robin Fairbairns, Cambridge
Robin Fairbairns
>I dont think that only word-user prefer the
>separation of sections with empty lines
>instead of a line with indentation.
i don't doubt it. however, that's not what stefan ulrich was
challenging. you had claimed that it was a `german style', and he
said it wasn't true.
>Most of my physics and mathematics books
>(Teubner, vieweg, ...) use the style with empty lines.
>Indentation is ok for text-only books, but in
>books with a lot of formulas this indentation may
>looks a bit strange.
it's manageable, and a lot of people _do_ manage it. which is not to
say that _you_ have got to do it: write your dissertation however you
choose, but don't make assertions about the nationality of styles, as
that seems to offend people :-)
>If I would write my diploma-
>or PhD-Thesis in german language, but with english stile,
>my professor may think that I was not able to use
>the stile without indentation, and may advice me to
>write with MS-word the next time!
\parindent>0 and \parskip=0 is *not* an english style[*]. and it _is_
true to say that \parindent=0 and \parskip>0 is something that word
does almost without thinking.
personally, i'ld not care to use non-zero \parskip without also
adjusting other vertical spacing, notably that within lists.
however, that's your choice (it would seem, from your latex fragment):
as i said, do what seems pleasing to you.
--
Robin Fairbairns, Cambridge
Donald Arseneau
>I thought it was clear what my intension was, but
I'm surprised Robin thought you wanted the numbers on the line.
>The third word$^{1)}$ has a footnote.
>--------------------------------------\\
>$^{1)}$This is the text at the bottom of the page.
I think footmisc has an indentation control. Otherwise, redefine
\@makefntext.
The parenthesis is dead easy and doesn't need a package
\renewcommand{\thefootnote}{\arabic{footnote})}
Donald Arseneau as...@triumf.ca
Christoph Nahr
<Sale...@physnet.uni-hamburg.de> wrote:
>I dont think that only word-user prefer the
>separation of sections with empty lines
>instead of a line with indentation.
He was just kidding... but he was certainly right that the separation
of paragraphs by blank lines instead of indentation is not "the German
style". Most of the German books I know use the indentation method.
This is also the method recommended by typesetting demigod Jan
Tschichold and the recent "Lesetypographie" (Willberg/Forssman).
You are correct that the blank-line method is quite popular with
scientific/mathematic books, and probably for the reason you noted
(plenty of formulas). But apart from that niche German typesetters
usually indent paragraph beginnings, just like everyone else.