Mathematics fonts that "match" Adobe Garamond Premier Pro?
Rogério Brito
I have been considering buying myself a copy of Adobe's Garamond Premier Pro to
use with my texts, as I like the oldstyle look of it (and, to be honest, this
"passion" started with the books by O'Reilly).
Since almost any text that I type has mathematics, I would like to know if is
there any math font that "matches" Adobe's Garamond Premier Pro, before I spend
some money on those fonts.
I am usually using pdflatex (from TeX Live 2009), but I would have no problems
in using XeLaTeX with fontspec.
I appreciate any hints to this question of mine. Thank you very much,
Rog�rio Brito
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Guenter Milde
> Since almost any text that I type has mathematics, I would like to know
> if is there any math font that "matches" Adobe's Garamond Premier Pro,
> before I spend some money on those fonts.
The free "Mathdesign" (at CTAN or with TeXLive) comes with Charter,
Utopia, and Garamond variants and according to the documentation it works
together with commercial versions too.
For font search, a good source is the "LaTeX font catalogue"
http://www.tug.dk/FontCatalogue/
it has a special section on math-supporting fonts.
For commercial fonts, there is also the (German)
Mathematikschriften für LaTeX
Kombinationen von Text- und Mathematikschriften, Samples
(hauptsächlich kommerziell), Walther Schmidt, 2007.
http://home.vr-web.de/was/mathfonts.html
> I am usually using pdflatex (from TeX Live 2009), but I would have no
> problems in using XeLaTeX with fontspec.
By default, XeLaTeX uses the "normal" TeX-fonts for math, so this would
not change matters (except if you don't get the Garamond as TeX font).
There is the "Asana Math" unicode font that works with XeTeX's
unicode-math package but, AFAIK, it matches Times.
Günter
Damien Wyart
> Since almost any text that I type has mathematics, I would like to
> know if is there any math font that "matches" Adobe's Garamond Premier
> Pro, before I spend some money on those fonts.
I have found that the Euler fonts (accessible through the eulervm
package) match Garamond quite well (tested with Adobe Garamond, Stempel
Garamond and Sabon).
I can send you a sample document privately if you are interested.
Best,
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Rogério Brito
I had some problems and I could not reply earlier, but now I am catching
up and I would like to share what I learnt for archive purposes (to save
future people some time experimenting).
Guenter Milde wrote:
> On 2010-01-19, Rogério Brito wrote:
>> Since almost any text that I type has mathematics, I would like to know
>> if is there any math font that "matches" Adobe's Garamond Premier Pro,
>> before I spend some money on those fonts.
>
> The free "Mathdesign" (at CTAN or with TeXLive) comes with Charter,
> Utopia, and Garamond variants and according to the documentation it works
> together with commercial versions too.
I knew about mathdesign and the possibility to use URW Garamond No. 8,
but, for some reason that I don't know very much, I think that it is
very heavy when I print on my inkjet.
I could not find (up to now) a good Mathematics font that matches
Adobe's Garamond Premier Pro for text---I think that I will pass on the
purchase for now.
On the other hand, experimenting with mathspec (the "companion" to
fontspec), it is a pleasure to choose some fonts, especially if you have
a rich font, with small caps and everything else.
I tried playing here with Adobe's donated version of Utopia, but if the
fonts don't have, say, small caps, then it doesn't work too well,
though. I, then, decided to implement them using fontforge, and, after
playing with some segmentation faults, and preparing a patch that I
posted to the Debian Bug Tracking system, I could create the small caps
and use them with my example document.
I guess that very few people stop to use small caps, as the segfault is
pretty easy to trigger. See: http://bugs.debian.org/569548 .
So, back to the selection of the fonts, if you happen to have a rich
font, then using mathspec is indeed an option to consider. If you don't
have, then, you will get an unpleasant surprise if you try to use many
footnotes with mathspec + fontspec if you are not aware of the fact that
xltxtra redefines the sub and super script fonts to something that your
main font may not have.
This is a snippet of an e-mail that I sent to Will Robertson:
---
I just discovered that xltxtra was redefining the \textsuperscript and
\textsubscript. Since I was using xltxtra as recommended in the fontinst
manual, I did not now about that redefinition and the no-sscript option
of xltxtra.
---
Will thinks that it is a good idea to not automatically recommend the
use of xltxtra and said that he plans on putting a notice on the manual.
Well, back to a Garamond variant that matches well some of the Math
fonts that are available, I would think that since ITC Garamond Light
is, well, light, that it would be a good match to have with Latin Modern
(if they are scaled properly to have the same proportions---perhaps with
the ScaleLowercase option of fontspec).
If anybody has it, then a confirmation of this guess would be quite welcome.
> For font search, a good source is the "LaTeX font catalogue"
> http://www.tug.dk/FontCatalogue/
> it has a special section on math-supporting fonts.
This is a good guide, but it would be nice if it were updated a bit to
include a few words about the availability of fonts made possible with
XeTeX.
> For commercial fonts, there is also the (German)
>
> Mathematikschriften für LaTeX
> Kombinationen von Text- und Mathematikschriften, Samples
> (hauptsächlich kommerziell), Walther Schmidt, 2007.
> http://home.vr-web.de/was/mathfonts.html
Walter's document is also quite nice, but it seems to suffer from the
same problem that the collection of fonts cited above has---namely, some
things have changed a lot in the past few years. (And I think that this
change is good, because we are serving less the computers and making the
computers work the way that humans want).
> There is the "Asana Math" unicode font that works with XeTeX's
> unicode-math package but, AFAIK, it matches Times.
I am a bit interested in an old style font for my documents, but, of
course, your recommendation is quite welcome.
Thanks,
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Rogério Brito
I had some problems and I could not reply earlier, but now I am catching
up and I would like to share what I learnt for archive purposes (to save
future people some time experimenting).
Guenter Milde wrote:
> On 2010-01-19, Rogério Brito wrote:
>> Since almost any text that I type has mathematics, I would like to know
>> if is there any math font that "matches" Adobe's Garamond Premier Pro,
>> before I spend some money on those fonts.
>
> The free "Mathdesign" (at CTAN or with TeXLive) comes with Charter,
> Utopia, and Garamond variants and according to the documentation it works
> together with commercial versions too.
I knew about mathdesign and the possibility to use URW Garamond No. 8,
> For font search, a good source is the "LaTeX font catalogue"
> http://www.tug.dk/FontCatalogue/
> it has a special section on math-supporting fonts.
This is a good guide, but it would be nice if it were updated a bit to
include a few words about the availability of fonts made possible with
XeTeX.
> For commercial fonts, there is also the (German)
>
> Mathematikschriften für LaTeX
> Kombinationen von Text- und Mathematikschriften, Samples
> (hauptsächlich kommerziell), Walther Schmidt, 2007.
> http://home.vr-web.de/was/mathfonts.html
Walter's document is also quite nice, but it seems to suffer from the
same problem that the collection of fonts cited above has---namely, some
things have changed a lot in the past few years. (And I think that this
change is good, because we are serving less the computers and making the
computers work the way that humans want).
> There is the "Asana Math" unicode font that works with XeTeX's
> unicode-math package but, AFAIK, it matches Times.
I am a bit interested in an old style font for my documents, but, of
woodbird
> Hi, people.
>
> I have been considering buying myself a copy of Adobe's Garamond Premier Pro to
> use with my texts, as I like the oldstyle look of it (and, to be honest, this
> "passion" started with the books by O'Reilly).
>
> Since almost any text that I type has mathematics, I would like to know if is
> there any math font that "matches" Adobe's Garamond Premier Pro, before I spend
> some money on those fonts.
>
> I am usually using pdflatex (from TeX Live 2009), but I would have no problems
> in using XeLaTeX with fontspec.
>
> I appreciate any hints to this question of mine. Thank you very much,
>
>
> --
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> DebianQA:http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=rbrito%40ime.usp.br
I suggest you look into the MinionPro project. If you do spend that
much money on the font, I suppose you care about the typography
quality. With XeTeX one does not have micro-typography support as far
as I know. To get it you need pdftex or luatex. Luatex is able to
select OpenType font but the processing is very slow with latex format
(maybe it is only a problem on my machine, I haven't got time to look
into this issue). You can use otftotfm to covert the fonts for use
with pdftex. The quality of the converted type1 fonts is slightly
dropped. But I doubt that any one can tell the difference on a 1200dpi
laser printer.
In sum, I suggest the best solution is to use the approach of
MinionPro project to adapt the Garamond Premier Pro fonts. In this way
you get full featured text fonts and greeks and most useful letter-
like symbols in math. Also you can further include brackets, braces,
etc, from the Pro fonts. So those most visual parts of formula
(alphabets and delimiters) will much the text fonts perfectly. For
missing symbols I suggest use the MnSymbols from MinionPro. It is a
little bit too dark for Garamond, but overall it is still OK.