mathpazo vs. tex-gyre's tgpagella
Heiko Oberdiek
the new project TeX-Gyre provides Fonts in good quality that
are able to replace the usual PostScript fonts.
Example: tgpagella would replace Palatino.
In case of Palatino the recomandation is the use of mathpazo to
adapt math as well. Has someone writte a successor of mathpazo
that supports tgpagella?
Yours sincerely
Heiko <ober...@uni-freiburg.de>
Joseph Wright
I'd wondered the same thing: I tend to use Palatino when I can, but at
present can't use tgpagella as there is no maths support (or as far as
I can see "osf" option).
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Joseph Wright
Will Robertson
> the new project TeX-Gyre provides Fonts in good quality that
> are able to replace the usual PostScript fonts.
> Example: tgpagella would replace Palatino.
>
> In case of Palatino the recomandation is the use of mathpazo to
> adapt math as well. Has someone writte a successor of mathpazo
> that supports tgpagella?
Not to my knowledge. For my documents at the moment I'm using
\usepackage{mathpazo,tgpagella}
The difference in running length is quite significant, as far as it
goes (tgpagella takes less space). I haven't done any detailed
comparisons between Palladio and Pagella, however, although I can say
that the kerning in D'A is noticably better in Pagella.
Will
Heiko Oberdiek
tgpagella 1.2 redefines \bfdefault:
\renewcommand\bfdefault{b}
The side effect is that the bold version of the sans serif font isn't
found anymore:
| LaTeX Font Warning: Font shape `T1/lmss/b/n' undefined
| (Font) using `T1/lmss/m/n' instead on input line 8.
Redefining again after loading of tgpagella:
\renewcommand*{\bfdefault}{bx}
seems to do the trick.
Yours sincerely
Heiko <ober...@uni-freiburg.de>
Guenter Milde
> On 2009-10-06 19:29:05 +1030, Heiko Oberdiek <ober...@uni-freiburg.de> said:
>> the new project TeX-Gyre provides Fonts in good quality that
>> are able to replace the usual PostScript fonts.
>> Example: tgpagella would replace Palatino.
>> In case of Palatino the recomandation is the use of mathpazo to
>> adapt math as well. Has someone writte a successor of mathpazo
>> that supports tgpagella?
> Not to my knowledge.
There is the somewhat hidden qpxmath:
Math-package for TG Pagella_ (Debian has it in package
texlive-lang-polish). Combines TG Pagella for text- und math alphabets
with pxfonts for symbols.
Options:
| varg: math-italic with "open" 'g' and "round" 'v' and 'w'
+ comes with well done math fonts.
- relies on the "ugly" pxfonts.
> For my documents at the moment I'm using
> \usepackage{mathpazo,tgpagella}
I don't know whether there is room for improvement with mathpazo or
whether this is already a satisfying solution.
For Times-like fonts, the related qtxmath solves the "no bold math
letters" problem of mathptmx.
To "break" the coupling to txfonts, I wrote the (unpublished)
package "termesmath":
% :Abstract: Math support for the TeX Gyre Termes Times-like font
% combining free available components
%
% Based on `qtxmath` "experimental" math support for the high quality TeX Gyre
% Termes font:
%
% qtxmath.sty, by Jacek Mierczy\'nski, Staszek Wawrykiewicz,
% ver. 0.95 (03.02.2007) Public domain.
%
% Removed txfont usage (to enable combination with any math package)
Something similar could easily be done for Pagella, if needed.
Günter
Bob Tennent
> can't use tgpagella as there is no maths support (or as far as
> I can see "osf" option).
One can get osfs by defining
\renewcommand{\oldstylenums}[1]{%
{\fontfamily{pplj}\selectfont #1}}
but this doesn't make osfs the default. Is there a way to do that other
than by defining virtual fonts?
BTW, in my opinion, the small caps in pplx or pplj look better than
those in qpl.
Bob T.
Joel C. Salomon
> On 2009-10-06 19:29:05 +1030, Heiko Oberdiek <ober...@uni-freiburg.de>
> said:
>
>> the new project TeX-Gyre provides Fonts in good quality that
>> are able to replace the usual PostScript fonts.
>> Example: tgpagella would replace Palatino.
>>
>> In case of Palatino the recomandation is the use of mathpazo to
>> adapt math as well. Has someone writte a successor of mathpazo
>> that supports tgpagella?
>
> Not to my knowledge. For my documents at the moment I'm using
>
> \usepackage{mathpazo,tgpagella}
Asana Math is (IIRC) based on pxfonts, so XeTeX + unicode-math might get
you what you want.
—Joel Salomon
Guenter Milde
The only difference I see is size: mathptmx small caps are somewhat highter
than the x-height, while Pagella's are exact (or just below) it.
Compare the width of:
\textsc{Kapitälchen}&\textsc{abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzäöüß 1234567890?!+-}
In my view, mathptmx looks better in the case of
\textsc{Fourier}transformation
while
das \textsc{Gauß}sche Gesetz
looks better with Pagella.
Günter
Bob Tennent
>> BTW, in my opinion, the small caps in pplx or pplj look better than
>> those in qpl.
>
> The only difference I see is size: mathptmx small caps are somewhat highter
> than the x-height, while Pagella's are exact (or just below) it.
I think you meant to write mathpazo rather than mathptmx. Yes, there is
a size difference which is evident when small caps are combined with
ordinary text. But to achieve the smaller size, Pagella has "squashed"
the glyphs; look at a \Huge o.
> In my view, mathptmx looks better in the case of
>
> \textsc{Fourier}transformation
>
> while
>
> das \textsc{Gau�}sche Gesetz
>
> looks better with Pagella.
At least now we have a choice.
Bob T.
Will Robertson
> On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 03:20:14 -0700 (PDT), Joseph Wright wrote:
>
> > can't use tgpagella as there is no maths support (or as far as
> > I can see "osf" option).
>
> One can get osfs by defining
>
> \renewcommand{\oldstylenums}[1]{%
> {\fontfamily{pplj}\selectfont #1}}
>
> but this doesn't make osfs the default. Is there a way to do that other
> than by defining virtual fonts?
Hmm, not that I can see. Other than using XeTeX with the OpenType version :)
> BTW, in my opinion, the small caps in pplx or pplj look better than
> those in qpl.
I hadn't realised there was a difference, although I should have
assumed that was the case. (My understanding is that the TeX Gyre group
redrew everything from scratch, meaning all the work that was
previously put into the FPL fonts was essentially useless. But that's
the way things roll, I'm afraid.)
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
\begin{document}
\begin{quote}
{\fontfamily{ppl}\selectfont ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ}\\
{\fontfamily{pplj}\selectfont ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ}\\
{\fontfamily{qpl}\selectfont ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ}\\
\end{quote}
\begin{quote}
{\fontfamily{ppl}\selectfont abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz}\\
{\fontfamily{pplj}\selectfont abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz}\\
{\fontfamily{qpl}\selectfont abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz}\\
\end{quote}
\begin{quote}
{\fontfamily{ppl}\selectfont abc\fontshape{sc}\selectfont
abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz}\\
{\fontfamily{pplj}\selectfont abc\fontshape{sc}\selectfont
abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz}\\
{\fontfamily{qpl}\selectfont abc\fontshape{sc}\selectfont
abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz}\\
\end{quote}
\end{document}
Will
Guenter Milde
> On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 10:22:49 +0000 (UTC), Guenter Milde wrote:
> >> BTW, in my opinion, the small caps in pplx or pplj look better than
> >> those in qpl.
> Yes, there is a size difference which is evident when small caps are
> combined with ordinary text. But to achieve the smaller size, Pagella
> has "squashed" the glyphs; look at a \Huge o.
Now that you say it (and Will provided a comparision example), I see the
problem with qpl (Pagella small caps):
* They are too small: clearly visible smaller than the x-height.
* nonuniform appearance: The letters C D G O Q "pop out" as they are (or
at least appear to be) wider than high)
Günter