BibTex-problem with Turkish dotted i

[ang...@gmx.de]

Hello there,

I have a couple of Turkish authors in my bibliography. The special
characters in their names are handled fine (including breve on g as
\u{g}, cedilla in c and s as \c{c} & \c{s} and dotless i as \i).
However there is a problem with the dotted i.
In the Turkish language are the two versions of i, the dotted
("normal) and the dotless. The capital equivalents are also dotted as
\ . I and dotless as I.

I choose small capitals for the authornames. In order for the capital
version of the dotted i to come up, I tried using a trick, providing
the dotted small i with an extra dot, as {\ . i}. (e.g.
Sey{\.i}to{\u{g}}lu}. This works fine, when used in the normal text.
The extra dot is just put on top of the existing one.

Unfortunately the "dot" in the command (\ . ) gets "lost" during the
bibtex run. So I end up with dotless i in both the authorname in the
text (in small capitals) and in the authorlist in the back (in normal
font).

I works fine with the other diacritics, the breve and the cedilla, and
even the dotless i, all three of which appear in small capitals in the
text and in normal font in the back.

Cheers Angela

[Durduran]

On 2007-04-25, ang...@gmx.de <ang...@gmx.de> wrote:
> In the Turkish language are the two versions of i, the dotted
> ("normal) and the dotless. The capital equivalents are also dotted as
> \ . I and dotless as I.
>
> I choose small capitals for the authornames. In order for the capital
> version of the dotted i to come up, I tried using a trick, providing
> the dotted small i with an extra dot, as {\ . i}. (e.g.
> Sey{\.i}to{\u{g}}lu}. This works fine, when used in the normal text.
> The extra dot is just put on top of the existing one.
>

hmm. I do not quite follow your problem. But I think you are trying to
achieve a capitalized I with a "dot" on top.

I am a native Turkish speaker (but a Cypriot ;) ) and I used Turkish
entries in bibtex few times. I use {\.I} for capital I with a dot, and
"{I}" when I do not want a dot. See the following bibtex entries and my
test document, everything appear fine on the resultant pdf file for me.

@Article{tst,
author = {{\.I}\c{s}\c{c}io\u{g}lu},
title = {Test},
journal = {Turkish authors journal},
year = {2006},
OPTkey = {},
OPTvolume = {},
OPTnumber = {},
OPTpages = {},
OPTmonth = {},
OPTnote = {},
OPTannote = {}
}

@Article{tst2,
author = {{I}\c{s}{\i}k},
title = {Test},
journal = {Turkish authors journal},
year = {2006},
OPTkey = {},
OPTvolume = {},
OPTnumber = {},
OPTpages = {},
OPTmonth = {},
OPTnote = {},
OPTannote = {}
}

---

\documentclass{article}

\begin{document}

Hello world \cite{tst,tst2}.

\bibliographystyle{plain}
\bibliography{tst.bib}

\end{document}

[ang...@gmx.de]

On 25 Apr, 15:27, Durduran <durduranREMOV...@REMOVEMEweb-

Hey, thanks for you help.

My problem is, that I choose small capitals to be used for the citaton
markers (author name and year) in the text.

The database entry of course is in normal font, as is the authorlist
in the bibliography in the back is as well. Therefore, I need some way
to tell the database to make a dotted (small) capital i (Where I have
a lower case "normal" dotted i in the database and in the
bibliography) .

the complicated thing seemsto be the two different i in the Turkish
language where (i={\.I}) and ({\i}=I), where most (all?) other
languages have only one with i (i=I).

Is there a special language tool for Turkish to solve that problem?
(like a special character to use instead of the "normal" dotted i?)

Angela
PS: Hey I accidentally posted this problem again yesterday (Actually,
I accidentally didn't know I had managed to post this last week), so
the discussion is going on in the other (newer) thread. If you are
interested.

[Durduran]

I guess I am totally missing what you are talking about sorry. Are you
talking about size of the font?

Turgut

[tdbiii]

> > > In the Turkish language are the two versions of i, the dotted
> > > ("normal) and the dotless. The capital equivalents are also dotted as
> > > \ . I and dotless as I.

Hey,

I don't know if this will help, but I had the same issues with
diacritics marks in Greek. (e.g. ἤ vs. Ἤ). What I discovered, that
works perfectly is the use of unicode. I use a mac, but it should just
work on any system, as long as you save the text files as utf8 or
utf16, and not dos/roman/windows etc. You just figure out how to type
the dotless i on your system (there must be some keycommand, or you
could set your keyboard to Turkish) so that you can type ı, I and i, İ
(if your keyboard is set to turkish it is the 'r' and the 's' keys).
Bibtext will then just captilise/smallcap the letter and all will be
fine (assuming you have a font that supports smallcap turkish).

This is copy of an entry in my .bib file, this works perfectly for me:
@article{philip99,
Author = {Maertens Philip},
Journal = {New Testament Studies},
Pages = {593-6},
Shorttitle = {Quelques Notes},
Title = {Quelques notes sur πνικτος},
Volume = {45},
Year = {1999}
}

I hope this makes sense.

Tom de Bruin

[ang...@gmx.de]

Please move to the new thread of this discussion,
I accidentally posted this message twice.

The newer one is here

Re: Problem with Turkish dotted I
In article <1177938816.346839.311...@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, I

choose small capitals for the authornames. In order for the capital
version
of the dotted i to come up, I tried using a trick, providing the
dotted

small i with an extra dot, as {\ . i}. (eg Sey{\.i}to{\u{g}}lu}. ...
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I apologise thoroughly for the problems caused by me being carless
Angela