LaTeX is wrong with binding margin
Kewoul
I use the following class for my document
\documentclass[twoside, openright, a4paper, 12pt]{report}
My problem is that when I use the twoside option, for example in a page
where a chapter begins (openright = `a right page'), the
margin is bigger on the right than on the left ! I would like the contrary.
On a left page I need more space on the right for binding, and on a right
page I need more space on the left for binding. How should I proceed ?
Thanks.
Kewoul
I would not like to use the geometry package because it changes the original
margins which are perfect for me. Moreover I tried
\usepackage[asymmetric]{geometry} and I had the same problem.
Thanks.
Robin Fairbairns
>I use the following class for my document
>\documentclass[twoside, openright, a4paper, 12pt]{report}
>
>My problem is that when I use the twoside option, for example in a page
>where a chapter begins (openright = `a right page'), the
>margin is bigger on the right than on the left ! I would like the contrary.
>On a left page I need more space on the right for binding, and on a right
>page I need more space on the left for binding. How should I proceed ?
the default margins are set so that the gutter margins (together)
appear the same as the outer margin. of course, no one margin setting
is going to work for all binding methods so there's no way latex's
designers could get it right for everyone, anyway.
>I would not like to use the geometry package because it changes the original
>margins which are perfect for me.
eh?
>Moreover I tried
>\usepackage[asymmetric]{geometry} and I had the same problem.
geometry does what you tell it to do. you've told it to do the same
as latex (and no more), and it's done it.
work out what margins you need for your binding, and tell geometry to
do it. geometry will do what you need, for sure; but unless you know
what you need (in numeric terms) there's no way you can tell geometry.
--
Robin (http://www.tex.ac.uk/faq) Fairbairns, Cambridge
Markus Kohm
> \documentclass[twoside, openright, a4paper, 12pt]{report}
Maybe you would like to use KOMA-Script class scrreprt instead of report or
the KOMA-Script package typearea. With those you can use the BCOR option to
set an additional value for the inner margin, e.g.:
\documentclass[twoside,openright,a4paper,12pt,BCOR1.5cm]{scrreprt}
or
\documentclass[twoside, openright, a4paper, 12pt]{report}
\usepackage[BCOR1.5cm]{typearea}
Markus
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For informations about KOMA-Script (scrbook, scrreprt, scrartcl, scrlttr2,
scrpage2, typearea ...) see the KOMA-Script manual, scrguien (English) or
scrguide (German).
Ulrike Fischer
> Hello,
>
> I use the following class for my document
> \documentclass[twoside, openright, a4paper, 12pt]{report}
>
> My problem is that when I use the twoside option, for example in a
> page where a chapter begins (openright = `a right page'), the
> margin is bigger on the right than on the left ! I would like the
> contrary. On a left page I need more space on the right for binding,
> and on a right page I need more space on the left for binding. How
> should I proceed ?
>
The KOMA-script-classes has an option for binding correction and if I
remember it right also the memoir-class. But also in this classes the
two inner margins together have the same width as each outer margin in
a twoside environment. That's how margins in book should be.
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Jellby
> My problem is that when I use the twoside option, for example in a page
> where a chapter begins (openright = `a right page'), the
> margin is bigger on the right than on the left ! I would like the
> contrary. On a left page I need more space on the right for binding, and
> on a right page I need more space on the left for binding. How should I
> proceed ?
I guess your intuition, like mine, says that the bigger margin should be at
the inner side of the page... If that's the case, we are both wrong, take a
few books from your library and you'll see that the bigger margin is at the
outer side, and that's what LaTeX does ;)
Ignore this if you just *want* the bigger margin to be at the inner side.
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Rowland McDonnell
> Hello,
>
> I use the following class for my document
> \documentclass[twoside, openright, a4paper, 12pt]{report}
>
> My problem is that when I use the twoside option, for example in a page
> where a chapter begins (openright = `a right page'), the
> margin is bigger on the right than on the left !
This is the standard way of doing it! Yes, really - the idea is that
you position the text on the page with margins such that when it's
bound, the margin in the middle looks the same as the margin round the
outside. So you need *about* twice as much margin around the outside as
in the middle - it's `about' because of the effects of binding.
[snip]
> I would not like to use the geometry package because it changes the original
> margins which are perfect for me. Moreover I tried
> \usepackage[asymmetric]{geometry} and I had the same problem.
The horrible, clunky, really badly written and frankly barking mad
rmpage package[1] might well be of some help in this case:
\usepackage[notstdmargins]{rmpage}
Rowland.
[1] I'm allowed to insult it: I wrote it[2]. I've got a *much* better
idea. rmpage will be replaced one day, not soon.
[2] I also use it for *everything*. It ain't that bad - just not
polished and badly documented.
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[snip]
> Ignore this if you just *want* the bigger margin to be at the inner side.
If the output is destined for a ring binder, it's probably a good idea
to have the inner margin a bit larger and yah boo sucks to good
typography.
Rowland.
Kewoul
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> Jellby <jellb...@M-yahoo.com> wrote:
> If the output is destined for a ring binder, it's probably a good idea
> to have the inner margin a bit larger and yah boo sucks to good
> typography.
Yes, it is for a ring binder. So how can I "have the inner margin a bit
larger" ?
Dan Luecking
Just increase \oddsidemargin (left margin on oddpages) by the amount
you want and decrease \evensidemargin (left margin on even pages) by
the same amount:
\addtolength{\oddsidemargin}{1in} % Increase inner margins by 1in
\addtolength{\oddsidemargin}{1in} %
No packages needed, but I'm pretty sure you can do the same with
the current geometry.sty (option bindingoffset=1in).
While many don't like Lamports manual, I think this particular thing is
quite clearly described in it: page 181 and figure on page 182.
Dan
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Dan Luecking
wrote:
>Just increase \oddsidemargin (left margin on oddpages) by the amount
>you want and decrease \evensidemargin (left margin on even pages) by
>the same amount:
>\addtolength{\oddsidemargin}{1in} % Increase inner margins by 1in
>\addtolength{\oddsidemargin}{1in} %
That last line should, of course, have been:
\addtolength{\evensidemargin}{-1in} % Increase inner margin by 1in
Robin Fairbairns
>"Rowland McDonnell" <real-addr...@flur.bltigibbet> a écrit...
>> If the output is destined for a ring binder, it's probably a good idea
>> to have the inner margin a bit larger and yah boo sucks to good
>> typography.
>
>Yes, it is for a ring binder. So how can I "have the inner margin a bit
>larger" ?
use a package like geometry: tell it what you need, and let it get on
with it.
this is the second time i've said it in this thread.