Bold math when using mathptmx
Peter Flynn
like {\boldmath$\vec{a}$} which are not available in mathptmx (isolated
in the sense that they are not required as parts of expressions or
formulas, but occur in textual explanations which happen to be in bold).
What would be a suitable NFSS incantation to switch [back] into CM math
for a bold \rightarrowfill (only, in this case), and place it over a
bold italic a?
///Peter
Lars Madsen
have you tried bm and the \bm command to emulate bold? Basically this in
one of the reasons why people should stay away from mathptmx. If one s
required to use Times, then buy a commercial version
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Guenter Milde
> Peter Flynn wrote:
>> A publisher requires a very small number of isolated bold math features
>> like {\boldmath$\vec{a}$} which are not available in mathptmx (isolated
>> in the sense that they are not required as parts of expressions or
>> formulas, but occur in textual explanations which happen to be in bold).
>> What would be a suitable NFSS incantation to switch [back] into CM math
>> for a bold \rightarrowfill (only, in this case), and place it over a
>> bold italic a?
> have you tried bm and the \bm command to emulate bold? Basically this in
> one of the reasons why people should stay away from mathptmx. If one s
> required to use Times, then buy a commercial version
You might also try one of the free times-compatible math packages (or just
the fonts or symbols from them) like
txfonts
said to be ugly and some problematic chars/symbols but should be OK for a
bold latin vector symbol.
qtxfonts
combines TeX Gyre Termes with symbols from txfonts.
or the little known
mbtimes
combines Symbol Fonts (from STIX) and "Expert"-Fonts
from Omega. Not on CTAN, see
ftp://ftp.gutenberg.eu.org/pub/gut/distribs/mbtimes/
It might be sufficient to set just the bold fonts for (italic) letters and
arrow symbols to one of the pxfonts, mbtimes (STIX/Omega), or qtxfonts
fonts.
I use the a variant of qtxfonts that does not set the symbol fonts so
it can be combined with a symbol-package of the users choice, e.g.
\usepackage{fourier}
\usepackage{tgtermes}
\usepackage{termesmath}
with my "home grown" termesmath.sty.
Günter
Robin Fairbairns
>On 2009-06-02, Lars Madsen wrote:
>> Peter Flynn wrote:
>>> A publisher requires a very small number of isolated bold math features
>>> like {\boldmath$\vec{a}$} which are not available in mathptmx (isolated
>>> in the sense that they are not required as parts of expressions or
>>> formulas, but occur in textual explanations which happen to be in bold).
>
>>> What would be a suitable NFSS incantation to switch [back] into CM math
>>> for a bold \rightarrowfill (only, in this case), and place it over a
>>> bold italic a?
>
>> have you tried bm and the \bm command to emulate bold? Basically this in
>> one of the reasons why people should stay away from mathptmx. If one s
>> required to use Times, then buy a commercial version
>
>You might also try one of the free times-compatible math packages (or just
>the fonts or symbols from them) like
>
>txfonts
> said to be ugly and some problematic chars/symbols but should be OK for a
> bold latin vector symbol.
>
>qtxfonts
> combines TeX Gyre Termes with symbols from txfonts.
intriguing: where is that available? there's a texlive package
qpxqtx, but (unusually for tex live) it doesn't seem to relate to
anything on ctan. is that tl package what you're talking about?
(there are qpx and qtx miktex packages, dating from 2001 so predating
general availability of termes, so presumably not the same thing,
either.)
>or the little known
>
>mbtimes
> combines Symbol Fonts (from STIX) and "Expert"-Fonts
> from Omega. Not on CTAN, see
> ftp://ftp.gutenberg.eu.org/pub/gut/distribs/mbtimes/
sigh. increasingly many people can't be bothered to distribute via
ctan -- i don't imagine _anyone_ (except the likes of me, and
essentially none of my packages are much use nowadays) would bother
were it not for the tying into tex live.
>It might be sufficient to set just the bold fonts for (italic) letters and
>arrow symbols to one of the pxfonts, mbtimes (STIX/Omega), or qtxfonts
>fonts.
i think peter's question was precisely _how_ he might do that.
>I use the a variant of qtxfonts that does not set the symbol fonts so
>it can be combined with a symbol-package of the users choice, e.g.
>
>\usepackage{fourier}
>\usepackage{tgtermes}
>\usepackage{termesmath}
>
>with my "home grown" termesmath.sty.
which again isn't much help for those with no access to your
filespace. in short, you're saying that there's no simple solution.
--
Robin Fairbairns, Cambridge
Guenter Milde
> Guenter Milde <mi...@users.berlios.de> writes:
>>On 2009-06-02, Lars Madsen wrote:
>>> Peter Flynn wrote:
>>>> A publisher requires a very small number of isolated bold math features
>>>> like {\boldmath$\vec{a}$} which are not available in mathptmx
>>>> What would be a suitable NFSS incantation to switch [back] into CM math
>>>> for a bold \rightarrowfill (only, in this case), and place it over a
>>>> bold italic a?
>>> [...] If one s required to use Times, then buy a commercial version
>>You might also try one of the free times-compatible math packages (or just
>>the fonts or symbols from them) like
>>txfonts
>> said to be ugly and some problematic chars/symbols but should be OK for a
>> bold latin vector symbol.
>>qtxfonts
>> combines TeX Gyre Termes with symbols from txfonts.
Sorry, spelling error: it's qtxmath.sty
> intriguing: where is that available? there's a texlive package
> qpxqtx, but (unusually for tex live) it doesn't seem to relate to
> anything on ctan. is that tl package what you're talking about?
Yes. My Debian system has it in the package texlive-lang-polish:
texlive-lang-polish: /usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/generic/qpxqtx/qtxmath.sty
> (there are qpx and qtx miktex packages, dating from 2001 so predating
> general availability of termes, so presumably not the same thing,
> either.)
"Quasi Times" is the maiden name of TeX Gyre Termes. Its the origin of
the "q" in e.g. "\renewcommand{\rmdefault}{qtm}" in tgtermes.sty.
>>or the little known
>>mbtimes
>> combines Symbol Fonts (from STIX) and "Expert"-Fonts
>> from Omega. Not on CTAN, see
>> ftp://ftp.gutenberg.eu.org/pub/gut/distribs/mbtimes/
> sigh. increasingly many people can't be bothered to distribute via
> ctan -- i don't imagine _anyone_ (except the likes of me, and
> essentially none of my packages are much use nowadays) would bother
> were it not for the tying into tex live.
It is a pity indeed, as this is a really nice package.
However, the author Michel Bovani considers it experimental and maybe was
missing some feedback or encouragement.
Also, I only managed to get it running on my system after adapting the
line endings of `mbtimes.map` ("\r" -> "\n")!
>>It might be sufficient to set just the bold fonts for (italic) letters and
>>arrow symbols to one of the pxfonts, mbtimes (STIX/Omega), or qtxfonts
>>fonts.
> i think peter's question was precisely _how_ he might do that.
Not precisely, as the original idea was to use CM symbols.
Suggestion with bold letters from qtx and symbols from txfonts:
\SetSymbolFont{letters}{bold}{OML}{qtxmi}{b}{it}
\SetSymbolFont{symbols}{bold}{OMS}{txsy}{b}{n}
(Not tested because of missing minimal example and lack of time.)
>>I use the a variant of qtxfonts that does not set the symbol fonts so
>>it can be combined with a symbol-package of the users choice, e.g.
>>\usepackage{fourier}
>>\usepackage{tgtermes}
>>\usepackage{termesmath}
>>with my "home grown" termesmath.sty.
> which again isn't much help for those with no access to your
> filespace.
I can provide this package and example code if there is request but did
not want to flood the list.
> in short, you're saying that there's no simple solution.
Math with Times is not simple, but there are alternatives to buying a
commercial version.