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Scott Burrows

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May 31, 1994, 3:10:01 PM5/31/94
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Please help,

I've run across what appears to be a corner condition but still hope
somebody has a solution.

Useing Ileaf 5.3 and running with a book license I am trying to generate
a Table of Contents. The TOC is generated just fine. The problem begins
when I place an 18 point phrase "Table of Contents" as a heading at the top
of the TOC useing Helvetica font and a .2 inch region beneath it.

Our TOC just happens to end up at the bottom of the page. When I insert
the "Table of Contents" component it forces some components onto a new
page thus messing up all page numbers thereafter.

We have figured out a cludge for this that works. By inserting a blank
page right after the TOC, generating a new TOC, adding the heading,
then deleting the blank page it all page numbers are correct.

It seems to me there must be a simpler or prettier way of doing this.


Thanks for the help,


Scott Burrows

My words only.

Karl A. Hakkarainen

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Jun 1, 1994, 10:58:00 AM6/1/94
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While the Interleaf documents may suggest that a toc at the end of the book
is a cure, hundreds of years of book publishing suggests that users like to
have the table of contents near the front of the book.

The cure will come Interleaf allows an editable toc template file to be used,
allowing users to provide the kinds of standardized tocs that their documents
require. If there was a toc_tpl.doc file in which users could add headers,
footers, titles, and the like, then we'd not have to come up with these
workarounds each time a table of contents is generated.

~/karl

In article <Cqq1u...@cs690-3.erie.ge.com>, tef...@cs690-3.erie.ge.com (Andrew R. Tefft) writes:
|>To cure just this problem, the ileaf docs suggest positioning the TOC
|>at the *end* of the book so that it does not affect page numbers.
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|>Andy Tefft - new, expanded .sig - tef...@cs690-3.erie.ge.com
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Andrew R. Tefft

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Jun 1, 1994, 10:06:01 AM6/1/94
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Anne Tice

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Jun 2, 1994, 9:23:49 AM6/2/94
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This is why many books, especially in the United States, number the
pages of front matter (preliminaries) separately,usually in lowercase
roman numerals. The page numbers for the main body of the book begin
with page 1 of chapter 1. You can place the TOC at the end while you
create it; then place the complete, formatted Table of Contents document
in the front matter. Hope this helps.
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c0...@rapnet.sanders.lockheed.com

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Jun 1, 1994, 2:01:00 PM6/1/94
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In article <1994May31....@zodiac.cca.rockwell.com>,
s...@hwking.cca.cr.rockwell.com (Scott Burrows) writes:
>
> Useing Ileaf 5.3 and running with a book license I am trying ...
> ... The TOC is generated just fine. ... When I insert

> the "Table of Contents" component it forces some components onto a new
> page thus messing up all page numbers thereafter.

Try putting the toc as a separate document within the book and number
the toc (and any other "front matter" with lower case roman numerals.

Then the actual contents of the book always start with page 1 no matter
how many pages are needed for toc, foreward, title page, credits,
dedication, ... .

Alternatively try reducing the space between the toc components and/or
the type size.

Scott Burrows

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Jun 3, 1994, 9:31:58 AM6/3/94
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In article <1994Jun2.1...@dg-rtp.dg.com>, ti...@anapest.rtp.dg.com (Anne Tice) writes:
>Newsgroups: comp.text.interleaf
>From: ti...@anapest.rtp.dg.com (Anne Tice)
>Subject: Re: TOC problem.
>Reply-To: ti...@dg-rtp.dg.com (Anne L. Tice)


Anne,

Numbering the front pages differently is fine unless your dealing with
engineering documents in which case they are number from the cover page
to the last. The TOC is usually starts on page 4 after all the "credits"
info. These types of documents need to be able to say on the first page
"Page 1 of X" where X includes the TOC, Cover and every other page.


Scott Burrows

Ekkehard Uthke

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Jun 7, 1994, 6:36:29 AM6/7/94
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s...@hwking.cca.cr.rockwell.com (Scott Burrows) writes:

>Useing Ileaf 5.3 and running with a book license I am trying to generate
>a Table of Contents. The TOC is generated just fine. The problem begins
>when I place an 18 point phrase "Table of Contents" as a heading at the top
>of the TOC useing Helvetica font and a .2 inch region beneath it.

>Our TOC just happens to end up at the bottom of the page. When I insert
>the "Table of Contents" component it forces some components onto a new
>page thus messing up all page numbers thereafter.

>We have figured out a cludge for this that works. By inserting a blank
>page right after the TOC, generating a new TOC, adding the heading,
>then deleting the blank page it all page numbers are correct.

>It seems to me there must be a simpler or prettier way of doing this.

Should you not want to define a different page number stream (usually
in small Roman letters as has already been mentioned by other people here)
then I think the "cludge" you described above is the method I also
would follow. I cannot propose a different and more convenient way.

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Scott Burrows

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Jun 7, 1994, 8:50:20 AM6/7/94
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In article <2t1ijd$s...@sztsun11.ite.iabg.de>, ut...@iabg.de (Ekkehard Uthke) writes:
>From: ut...@iabg.de (Ekkehard Uthke)
>Newsgroups: comp.text.interleaf
>Subject: Re: TOC problem.

I'm working on engineering documents that are numbered from the first page
including the cover sheet to the last. Every page including the TOC is
included in the same number stream.

Thanks anyways,

Scott

John Abbott, #46567

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Jun 7, 1994, 7:16:44 AM6/7/94
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I use the Interleaf built-in TOC feature extensively. To get around the page numbering problem, I use a few catalogs.

First, I have a TOC.sty catalog which exports all the TOC-type components, the page properties (including lowercase-roman page numbering) and the headers/footers for the TOC (which includes the text "TABLE OF CONTENTS" in the header).

After the TOC document, I have my regular Chicago-Style, Chicago.sty, which exports all the other components I use in my book, page properties again (if different from the TOC), and the new header/footer without the "TABLE OF CONTENTS" text).

The first document after this catalog has the page properties set to NOT INHERIT the page number (i.e. start at 1).

This all works fine and dandy, except for one annoying feature. This is the fact that the default Print Properties for Interleaf-generated TOCs is HEADER PAGE, SIMPLEX. As a paper-saving measure, I have all documents in my book set to NO HEADER, DUPLEX printing. So, every time I re-generate the TOC, I have to manually edit the props in my TOC doc to suit duplex printing.

I hope this helps,

John
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