converting Framemaker file to Word
Jodi Sergeant
Thanks,
Jodi
Tim Murray
Alex Francis
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Tim Murray
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John Wilkins
Then if you had a MIF to Word convertor, you'd be halfway there :-)
Word for Word used to do MIF to RTF, a long time ago, but Adobe sold off
the technology and it isn't available as a standalone any more.
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John Wilkins, Head, Graphic Production, The Walter and Eliza Hall
Institute of Medical Research, Melbourne, Australia
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wil...@wehi.edu.au (John Wilkins) wrote:
> Tim Murray <TLMu...@TechKnowledgeCorp.com> wrote:
>
> > How would that help?
> >
> > "Alex Francis" <afra...@camerondesign.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:1%_R5.6851$3k.1...@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com...
> > > Save the Framemaker file as a MIF file
>
> Then if you had a MIF to Word convertor, you'd be halfway there :-)
>
> Word for Word used to do MIF to RTF, a long time ago, but Adobe sold
off
> the technology and it isn't available as a standalone any more.
You can save the *.fm file as *.rtf, and open that in Word, but you'll
have to do a lot of manual formatting.
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Before you buy.
kenben
save as Word?
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> Save the Framemaker file as a MIF file
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John Wilkins
> In article <1ekelgu.16w6zhz167832mN%wil...@wehi.edu.au>,
> wil...@wehi.edu.au (John Wilkins) wrote:
> > Tim Murray <TLMu...@TechKnowledgeCorp.com> wrote:
> >
> > > How would that help?
> > >
> > > "Alex Francis" <afra...@camerondesign.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:1%_R5.6851$3k.1...@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com...
> > > > Save the Framemaker file as a MIF file
> >
> > Then if you had a MIF to Word convertor, you'd be halfway there :-)
> >
> > Word for Word used to do MIF to RTF, a long time ago, but Adobe sold
> off
> > the technology and it isn't available as a standalone any more.
>
> You can save the *.fm file as *.rtf, and open that in Word, but you'll
> have to do a lot of manual formatting.
>
On the Mac version, most of the RTF filters are slow and useless. An
interesting exception is the Japanese RTF export filter, which works
quickly and relatively effectively.
Here's what I do - I create a Word Export template and reformat all my
documents with that using Import Formats. Then I save them as Japanese
RTF, and open those in Word.
FWIW, Word Mac 2001 has even fewer import filters than previous versions
did. However, Wordperfect Mac (available free from the Corel site - or
it used to be) has a good range of filters and can save in an older Word
format.
Harro de Jong
<3a19e...@corp.newsfeeds.com>:
>Forgive me for seeming like a dunce, but why all the hard work? Why not
>just save as Word?
Ever tried that? It's useless. The export will turn a three-page FM file
into a 50 Mb temporary file, and then crash. I've only ever got it to work
on Frame files without graphics.
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Harro de Jong
aberg...@my-deja.com
wil...@wehi.edu.au (John Wilkins) wrote:
> <dfa...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> On the Mac version, most of the RTF filters are slow and useless. An
> interesting exception is the Japanese RTF export filter, which works
> quickly and relatively effectively.
>
> Here's what I do - I create a Word Export template and reformat all my
> documents with that using Import Formats. Then I save them as Japanese
> RTF, and open those in Word.
>
> FWIW, Word Mac 2001 has even fewer import filters than previous
versions
> did. However, Wordperfect Mac (available free from the Corel site - or
> it used to be) has a good range of filters and can save in an older
Word
> format.
I tried it on NT4SP5 with a 26 p. Fm+SGML-file. After removing the
structuring it took the Japanese filter some 12 sec. to generate the
RTF. No pictures but anchors and no umlauts, unfortunately.
Then I did it with the "regular" rtf-export. I killed the job after 10
minutes.
... I know why I went through the hassle writing a SGML to RTF Omnimark
skript. The results are far better (paper layout, paragraph formatting,
autonumbering) and _I_ have everything "under control" :-)
Andreas Berghauer
Andreas . Berghauer @ RSDC . Rohde-Schwarz . com
Paolo Tramannoni
<ken...@dontsendmespamtaconic.net> wrote:
> Forgive me for seeming like a dunce, but why all the hard work? Why not
> just save as Word?
Because (at least in FM 5.5.6 Mac) it doesn't work. I still keep FM 5.1
installed, save in MIF, load with the older version, and save in RTF
from there.
Paolo
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Paolo Tramannoni
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Tim Murray
Actually it works just fine if the Word file is prepared properly. For tips, see
http://www.techknowledgecorp.com/public/word2frame.pdf.
Harro de Jong
<8vi281$cns$1...@sshuraab-i-1.production.compuserve.com>:
> http://www.techknowledgecorp.com/public/word2frame.pdf.
Ah, but I didn't dispute that. It's the conversion FROM Frame TO Word
that's crap.
I just spent an hour copying figures (drawings made with the Frame drawing
tools) from Frame to Illustrator because they'd be toast if left in during
conversion.
Luckily, this sort of devolution rarely happens to our documentation.
--
Harro de Jong
Paolo Tramannoni
(Harro de Jong) wrote:
> I just spent an hour copying figures (drawings made with the Frame
> drawing
> tools) from Frame to Illustrator because they'd be toast if left in
> during conversion.
>
> Luckily, this sort of devolution rarely happens to our documentation.
Alas, my latest work in FM contained some 483 pictures... And I must
convert it to Word soon... :-(
paolo
Tim Murray
If you have Acrobat, you could create a PDF and then open the PDF in Illustrator, chop off the stuff around the graphics, and then use that as something to "clean up" using Illustrator.
Tim Murray
Ahh, a sad day indeed when one must convert from a laser scalpel to a rusty pen knife. I take it this is a project for a client that simply must have Word?
I recently had a major set of books to write for Verizon Wireless (formerly GTE Wireless). The project manager -- I'll change the names to protect the innocent, but let's call her Cheryl -- told me in no uncertain terms that the final deliverable had to be in Word. She would be the overall project manager, but a fellow (let's say Mike) would be the one to actually maintain the documents when I was done.
It turned out the books were large enough that it would actually save me time to write in Frame then convert later. One day near end of the authoring phase I asked Mike join me while I did some final edits.
So while he's sitting there, I figured I'd sneak in a few jabs at Word. As he watched me move some large chunks of text around, I noticed his jaw drop as he saw things like automatic numbering and cross-references maintained. He saw sideheads maintain their position. He saw tables of contents and indexes beautifully done in seconds. He saw me swap out new screen shots and have the callouts maintain exact position. He called people around the office to gather around and watch over my shoulder as I did more fancy footwork. You get the picture. I had to put paper towels on my shoulders to soak up the drool.
As a result, Mike immediately ordered FrameMaker for himself and a couple of people who work for him. His thinking was that Cheryl would never see the files anyway, so to heck with her ... let her think it's in Word. I gave Mike and some other folks a day of crash training, and now they are off and running ... converts from the Dark Side of the Force.
Just an idea for you....
Paolo Tramannoni
Murray" <TLMu...@TechKnowledgeCorp.com> wrote:
> > Alas, my latest work in FM contained some 483 pictures... And I must
> > convert it to Word soon... :-(
>
> Ahh, a sad day indeed when one must convert from a laser scalpel to a
> rusty pen knife. I take it this is a project for a client that simply
> must have Word?
While some of my collaborators around the world (the firm I did the work
for has about 120 regional distributors...) use FrameMaker, most of them
supply the English manual, and a rough translation in their language.
They need a Word file for this task.
I know, I should convert them to FrameMaker. But (1) it is a very
expensive piece of software, and (2) they often live 14 hours of flight
from my home-office...
> As a result, Mike immediately ordered FrameMaker for himself and a couple
> of people who work for him.
Yes, my Spanish referent did the same. But, hey, they speak nearly my
same language.
Harro de Jong
>> I just spent an hour copying figures (drawings made with the Frame
>> drawing tools)..
>
>If you have Acrobat, you could create a PDF and then open the PDF in
>Illustrator, chop off the stuff around the graphics, and then use that
>as something to "clean up" using Illustrator.
>
Surprisingly, copying Frame's graphic elements to Illustrator gives decent
results (except for one figure, which ended up in black and white - I did
go the PDF route for that one).
There are limitations, though: the file contained lots of figures which
consisted of an referenced EPS, with Frame elements (text lines and arrows)
around it. Copying the EPS plus Frame elements wouldn't work (It wouldn't
paste into Illustrator).
--
Harro de Jong
Tim Murray
Instead of pasting, try opening the PDF in Illustrator. Or, use Acrobat, right-click the graphic, and edit it (you can tell Acrobat what application to use).
Andreas Berghauer
> You get the picture. I had to put paper towels on my shoulders to soak up the > drool.
Great! And you're right. Except if you don't live in a FAC. That's
Frame-Accepted-Contry, a subset of AAP.
Means, you're excluded if you live in Poland, Greece, Russia, Romenia,
Turkey, Iran, India, Vietnam, China, just to name a few. That's more
than 50% of mankind, that have to stick with Word. :-(
Paolo Tramannoni schrieb:
>
> I know, I should convert them to FrameMaker. But (1) it is a very
> expensive piece of software, and (2) they often live 14 hours of flight
> from my home-office...
Ever _bought_ a copy of Word? It seems to be cheap, as you get it with
most computers "free", just to nail you to MS-Monopoly. And tie you to
Weendoze.
BTW. How do you manage the different versions of Word? Busy updating
($$$) all the time ($$$)?
Andreas
Paolo Tramannoni
<Andreas....@t-online.de> wrote:
> Ever _bought_ a copy of Word?
Yes, version 5.1 Mac, many years ago. It's the one I'm still using for
my work. I could have it for very little. Then, there are many versions
of Office at (uh!) the office, often in bundle with the computer.
> BTW. How do you manage the different versions of Word? Busy updating
> ($$$) all the time ($$$)?
I know, but it is not possible to compare FrameMaker and Office. You
can't use FM for the everyday tasks at the office. You can find a copy
(or three, as in mine...) of Word on any computer.
The price for FM is really too high for people not living with it. I
can't ask people to buy it, when they just use it for a $1000 work in a
year.
iwilltak...@gmail.com
> How do you convert a Framemaker file to a Word file?
> Thanks,
> Jodi
thanks in advance
mattrsullivan
-Matt