Windows virtulization and fonts and shared folders
Tim Murray
FrameMaker has historically been rather quick at its operation, so speed is
not an issue.
I'm using Frame for main book work, and using Mac apps for everything else.
The two things that are an issue are fonts and shared folders.
By fonts, this refers to a need to disable and enable fonts inside the
Windows operating system. Presently I use Virtual PC and Windows XP with
Adobe Type Manager, and I can turn fonts on and off as needed. I need to
disable and enable at will, but the method is not particularly important. In
other words, I could use a font manager or just drag them around as needed.
The other necessary condition is that I need Frame to share a folder with the
Mac OS. For example, both Frame in Windows and Illustrator in Mac might use
the same folder at the same time. This is a non-issue if my files were on a
server, but I usually work on my local hard disk.
Knowing these issues, what virtualization solution would you recommend?
Matthias Ernst
I am using FrameMaker under Parallels Desktop on my MacBook Pro and it works
quite well. Make sure that you have enough memory - at least 4 GByte or things
will be slow. Sharing folders with teh Mac side works quite well.
Regards,
Matthias
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Erik Richard Sørensen
Tim Murray wrote:
> I'll be getting a MacBook Pro soon, and I need to run FrameMaker in Windows.
> FrameMaker has historically been rather quick at its operation, so speed is
> not an issue.
>
> I'm using Frame for main book work, and using Mac apps for everything else.
> The two things that are an issue are fonts and shared folders.
>
> By fonts, this refers to a need to disable and enable fonts inside the
> Windows operating system. Presently I use Virtual PC and Windows XP with
> Adobe Type Manager, and I can turn fonts on and off as needed. I need to
> disable and enable at will, but the method is not particularly important. In
> other words, I could use a font manager or just drag them around as needed.
If you could find a used version of the FontReserve X Server 1.6.x +
Fontreserve X 2.x for Mac and Fontreserve 2.x for Windows, you can
manage everything font in both Windows and mac oS X - even in Leopard,
but the Win version isnot Vista kompatible - only XP/XPPro. I've been
using the Fontreserve applications on all my Macs - both classic
machines and OS X up to 10.5.3, but have now switched to Linotype
Fontexplorer X instead, since that one also can recognize both Windows
font folders and classic Mac OS folders with both auto and manual
ON/OFF. I haven't that much need to use as many fonts on my XPPro, so it
isn't necessary for me to have a Windows management system.
An alternative for you could be to have a look at Extensis Font Fusion -
the successor of SuitCase, but I don't know how good Fusion is....
> The other necessary condition is that I need Frame to share a folder with the
> Mac OS. For example, both Frame in Windows and Illustrator in Mac might use
> the same folder at the same time. This is a non-issue if my files were on a
> server, but I usually work on my local hard disk.
If I remember right, you an just select a personal defined folder for
saving the Framemaker works. In Windows you then have to make this
folder 'shared' so you can access it from the Mac side. To access it
directly you can also drag the folder icon to the Apple dock just to the
left of the trash, and it will be visible there, when Windows is running
virtually. and a click on that icon will open the folder in the Mac Finder.
> Knowing these issues, what virtualization solution would you recommend?
Well, I like Parallels Desktop 3.x + WinXP Pro the best, because
Parallels supports fully internal sharing of any type. That means when
XPPro is running it just occours in the left sidebar in an open OS X
Finder window as a 'local computer' on a network, and a click on the
virtual disk icon in the dock switches XPPro to be the frontmost system,
and a click on the Finder icon in the dock, brings OS X back to the
front. There is a ver. 4 of Parallels out, but I don't know how good it
is now... It was very bad in the beginning with lots of problems like
unexpected quits and 'network' dropouts... - Just remember if using
Parallels to set Mac OS X as the 'host' of the keyboard and also to
install the Parallels Tools from the tools menu, else you won't be able
to use neither the Mac keyboard or the Apple mouse/trackpad.
Alternatively you could try the new version of VirtualBox (freeware!).
It has got rather good reviews, but if I remember right, it has some
limitations in sharing - especially with external Firewire and USB disks.
On the Windows side, I'll only recommend using Windows XP Pro SP3 along
with one of these. XPPro is screamingly fast on my MacPro QuadCore -
both as a bootable XPPro and virtual system through Parallels Desktop
3.x. Avoid the Vista, - it is simply too slow and unstable - bootable or
not - doesn't matter. Alternatively you might wait until the new Windows
7 is out. If it keeps what it is promising, Win7 will be just as fast as
xPPro, but with the functionality of Vista + more. But I'm afraid Win7
won't be what it promises. - Vista also was really fast in the betas -
right until MS overvelmed it with everything more or less usable junk or
what one will call it.
Cheers, Erik Richard
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Jolly Roger
Tim Murray <no-...@thankyou.com> wrote:
As luck would have it, I happen use vmWare Fusion for exactly these
tasks on occasion, and it works fine for it. I use Windows XP's built-in
font control panel to manage installed fonts. And I use vmWare Fusion's
Shared Folder feature to share folders within my home folder (for
instance I typically keep my "Downloads" folder shared so that I can
have all Windows downloads placed there in the course of my work).
I have used Parallels Desktop in the past as well, and it has similar
features, so would probably do the job as well. I prefer vmWare Fusion,
because it is faster and more stable in general though.
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Tim Murray
> I am using FrameMaker under Parallels Desktop on my MacBook Pro and it
> works quite well. Make sure that you have enough memory - at least 4 GByte
> or things will be slow. Sharing folders with teh Mac side works quite well.
Which version of Frame, and can you please elaborate on font management? (Or
is that something you don't have to fool with?)
Tim Murray
with XP.
Tim Murray
> If you could find a used version of the FontReserve X Server 1.6.x +
> Fontreserve X 2.x for Mac and Fontreserve 2.x for Windows, you can
> manage everything font in both Windows and mac oS X - even in Leopard,
> but the Win version isnot Vista kompatible - only XP/XPPro. I've been
> using the Fontreserve applications on all my Macs - both classic
> machines and OS X up to 10.5.3, but have now switched to Linotype
> Fontexplorer X instead, since that one also can recognize both Windows
> font folders and classic Mac OS folders with both auto and manual
> ON/OFF. I haven't that much need to use as many fonts on my XPPro, so it
> isn't necessary for me to have a Windows management system.
FontReserve sound interesting, but according to Extensis it has to run in the
Windows space.
I presently use FontExplorer X Pro. Please elaborate on, "that one also can
recognize ... Windows font folders." By that you probably mean that it can
use Windows TTFs in Mac OS X; not that it can manage Windows fonts in Windows
space, correct?
Tim Murray
> As luck would have it, I happen use vmWare Fusion for exactly these
> tasks on occasion, and it works fine for it. I use Windows XP's built-in
> font control panel to manage installed fonts. And I use vmWare Fusion's
> Shared Folder feature to share folders within my home folder (for
> instance I typically keep my "Downloads" folder shared so that I can
> have all Windows downloads placed there in the course of my work).
>
> I have used Parallels Desktop in the past as well, and it has similar
> features, so would probably do the job as well. I prefer vmWare Fusion,
> because it is faster and more stable in general though.
okay, thanks much.
Erik Richard Sørensen
Tim Murray wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 18:10:19 -0400, Erik Richard Sørensen wrote:
>> If you could find a used version of the FontReserve X Server 1.6.x +
>> Fontreserve X 2.x for Mac and Fontreserve 2.x for Windows, you can
>> manage everything font in both Windows and mac oS X - even in Leopard,
>> but the Win version isnot Vista kompatible - only XP/XPPro. I've been
>> using the Fontreserve applications on all my Macs - both classic
>> machines and OS X up to 10.5.3, but have now switched to Linotype
>> Fontexplorer X instead, since that one also can recognize both Windows
>> font folders and classic Mac OS folders with both auto and manual
>> ON/OFF. I haven't that much need to use as many fonts on my XPPro, so it
>> isn't necessary for me to have a Windows management system.
>
> FontReserve sound interesting, but according to Extensis it has to run in the
> Windows space.
Hm, There is both a Windows and a Mac version of the server edition. I
have here a FontReserve X Server 1.6.1 from the dyas of the Panther, but
it works fine on Leopard - at least up to 10.5.5. - I have now sold the
Quicksilver dual G4/1,8ghz, where it was running...
> I presently use FontExplorer X Pro. Please elaborate on, "that one also can
> recognize ... Windows font folders." By that you probably mean that it can
> use Windows TTFs in Mac OS X; not that it can manage Windows fonts in Windows
> space, correct?
Yes, Fontexplorer X/Pro can handle any TTF and OTF font no matter which
system they are on. So both this and also that you can set it to handle
- i.e. look for, read and collect - the font folders on the Windows
harddisk / harddisk partition, if the Windows is made as a bootable
installation or on a disk/partition of it's own.
- I won't recommend to use it for this, if Windows is installed into a
virtual disk - a diskimage, because this can give problems when the
virtual disk is unmounted. Fontexplorer is working with 'active' aliases
to foreign folders, and if such a folder is unmounted with the unounting
of an image, the linking to the folders are broken and will not be
established again when the virtual disk or diskimage is mounted.
So if you want to use a 'font server' all systems must be directly
available all the time.
cheers, Erik Richard
Steve Hix
I've been running FrameMaker 7.1 under both Parallels Desktop and lately
VirtualBox for a couple years. Currently on both a MacBook Pro, and a
24" iMac. I've been running FrameMaker on Win2K, haven't had any reason
so far to use XP/Vista/Win7.
Your current font management method should work, and setting up a shared
folder under either virtualization method has worked here.
Performance on either is *much* faster than ever under VirtualPC.
Matthias Ernst
I use FrameMaker 7.2 and FrameMaker 8.0 with it. I don't have to deal with font
issues on a daily basis. If I have to change fonts, I just move them by hand from
the Windows XP control panel. Not very elegant but it works.