??== System 7.3, ODS-5, Java, Rdb, etc.
Hans M. Aus
My objective is to migrate our current DB application to the new web
services in Rdb 7.1 and Java. For this purpose, I'm setting up a new to me
Alpha 400 2/233 with OVMS 7.3, Java 1.3x, the standard compilers and a
hobbyist license. Reading through the Java FAQ, I just noticed that it's
easier to install JavaBeans and Swing on a ODS-5 disk.
Are there any reasons why I shouldn't just initialize all the disks on the
Alpha 400 as ODS-5 disks?
Is ods-5 the default structure in OVMS 7.3-1.
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Cheers, Hans M. Aus, Wuerzburg, Germany, a...@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de
David Webb
>Should I initialize my OVMS 7.3 system disk (and all the others) as ODS-5 disks?
>
>My objective is to migrate our current DB application to the new web
>services in Rdb 7.1 and Java. For this purpose, I'm setting up a new to me
>Alpha 400 2/233 with OVMS 7.3, Java 1.3x, the standard compilers and a
>hobbyist license. Reading through the Java FAQ, I just noticed that it's
>easier to install JavaBeans and Swing on a ODS-5 disk.
>
>Are there any reasons why I shouldn't just initialize all the disks on the
>Alpha 400 as ODS-5 disks?
>
>Is ods-5 the default structure in OVMS 7.3-1.
>
VMS 7.3 does not support ODS-5 as a system disk.
The VMS 7.3-1 upgrade procedure prompts you as to whether you want to convert
your system disk to ODS-5 (It also asks whether you want to convert to using
hard links rather than aliases).
I've converted pretty much all of my disks to ODS-5. The only execeptions are
the Oracle disks (Oracle 8i) - given that Oracle bypasses RMS and does it's own
thing with disk accesses in order to "improve" performance I wasn't willing
to take the risk. I don't know whether ODS-5 disks are supported for
Oracle database, rollback segments etc. The next version of Oracle -
Oracle 9i rel 2 - requires ODS-5.
Hence you might want to get someone from Compaq/HP or Oracle to comment on
using Rdb with ODS-5 disks.
David Webb
VMS and Unix team leader
CCSS
Middlesex University
Hans Bachner
> Should I initialize my OVMS 7.3 system disk (and all the others) as
> ODS-5 disks?
>
> My objective is to migrate our current DB application to the new web
> services in Rdb 7.1 and Java.
<snip>
>
> Are there any reasons why I shouldn't just initialize all the disks on
> the Alpha 400 as ODS-5 disks?
For Java applications (and NetBeans, which is a Java application), you
definitely want ODS-5 disks. This does, however, not necessarily include
the system disk. As others already have stated, OpenVMS V7.3 does not
support ODS-5 on the system disk (yet). Why not go to V7.3-1 instead?
Having said that, my workstation has been running V7.3 from an ODS-5 system
disk for more than a year now, with only minor glitches (e.g. when adding a
new satellite root, some directories are created with lower case letters
but expected to be upper case later on), which can be worked around. Always
set the parse style to "traditional" for system management activities like
the above, or (most) software installations (Pathworks comes to mind).
If you run into problems and need (official) support, you probably will be
told that you run an unsupported configuration. So if there's no really
good reason for V7.3, go to V7.3-1 - or keep the system disk ODS-2. You
always can initialize the other disk(s) as ODS-5 and install NetBeans
there.
Hope this helps,
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HP Services / Consulting & Integration
Compaq Computer Austria
a subsidiary of the new HP
Aus, Hans Magnus
Hans Bachner <Hans.B...@altavista.net> wrote:
...
So if there's no really
> good reason for V7.3, go to V7.3-1 - or keep the system disk ODS-2. You
> always can initialize the other disk(s) as ODS-5 and install NetBeans
> there.
>
> Hope this helps,
Should I install Java on the ODS-5 also?
I'm thinking about waiting for our V7.3-1 campus cd software
distribution and have asked these questions on the Oracle Rdb listserver.
Once again I sincerely appreciate the informative responses.
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Hans Magnus Aus, Wuerzburg, a...@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de
Hans M. Aus
...
> Having said that, my workstation has been running V7.3 from an ODS-5 system
> disk for more than a year now, with only minor glitches (e.g. when adding a
> new satellite root, some directories are created with lower case letters
> but expected to be upper case later on), which can be worked around. Always
> set the parse style to "traditional" for system management activities like
> the above, or (most) software installations (Pathworks comes to mind).
>
...
How do I set the parse style to "traditional"?
Bob Koehler
>
> Alpha 400 as ODS-5 disks?
You may not be able to share an ODS-5 disk with a VAX running VMS.
The VAX won't be able to mount it in a cluster. Popular NFS servers
don't fully support ODS-5.
Hans Bachner
<snip>
> Should I install Java on the ODS-5 also?
<snip>
On a different system (used to develop a Java/JSP-based web client for an
existing application) we have the Java SDK installed on the ODS-2 system
disk (default installation) and only Apache/Tomcat and client related
directories on an ODS-5 disk. This setup works fine.
Hope this helps,
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Hans Bachner E-Mail: Hans.B...@hp.com
HP Services / Consulting & Integration
Compaq Computer Austria - a subsidiary of the new HP