OS2200 Express

[dan.y...@gmail.com]

Register here to download OS2200 Express:

http://www.unisys.com/offerings/high-end-servers/clearpath-forward-systems/clearpath-os-2200-software/clearpath-os-2200-express

[dkal...@gmail.com]

On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 7:54:59 AM UTC-7, dan.y...@gmail.com wrote:
> Register here to download OS2200 Express:
>
> http://www.unisys.com/offerings/high-end-servers/clearpath-forward-systems/clearpath-os-2200-software/clearpath-os-2200-express

Holy crap. That is exactly what I have wanted for a very long time. Poking at it right now...

[Chuck Lefebvre]

As indicated above, we have posted a free download of a Windows-based OS 2200 emulator called PS/2200, preloaded with OS 2200 16.0 software. This is available for "non-commercial" use, primarily for hobbyists and education usage. The URL posted above will take you to a page to request the software. This registration page contains a link to a software license agreement which provides more details on the usage and support considerations.

Good luck with your new OS 2200 execution environment.

[Scott Lurndal]

Chuck Lefebvre <charlesr...@gmail.com> writes:
>As indicated above, we have posted a free download of a Windows-based OS 22=
>00 emulator called PS/2200, preloaded with OS 2200 16.0 software. This is =
>available for "non-commercial" use, primarily for hobbyists and education u=
>sage. The URL posted above will take you to a page to request the softwar=
>e. This registration page contains a link to a software license agreement =
>which provides more details on the usage and support considerations.=20
>
>Good luck with your new OS 2200 execution environment.=20
>

It's my understanding that the emulation boxes run linux. Why
did you not make a linux version of the emulator?

[Chuck Lefebvre]

Yes, the prepackaged Intel based Dorado servers we sell as our primary product line do use a Linux kernel. We felt for a single user environment, directed at desktop use, it would be simpler and easier to adopt if it ran on Windows. The technology existed and worked well so that is what we deployed. Using Linux for most users would have complicated things, requiring that they run a virtualization software layer on their device so they could do their normal, typically Windows based daily work along side their OS 2200 emulation environment.

[Scott Lurndal]

Chuck Lefebvre <charlesr...@gmail.com> writes:
>Yes, the prepackaged Intel based Dorado servers we sell as our primary prod=
>uct line do use a Linux kernel. We felt for a single user environment, dir=
>ected at desktop use, it would be simpler and easier to adopt if it ran on =
>Windows. The technology existed and worked well so that is what we deploye=
>d. Using Linux for most users would have complicated things, requiring tha=
>t they run a virtualization software layer on their device so they could do=
> their normal, typically Windows based daily work along side their OS 2200 =
>emulation environment.=20
>

I do understand, but feel disenfranchised, as I don't have any windows
systems... C'est la vie.

[Stephen Fuld]

I don't know weather this would work, but you could try running it under
wine.

https://www.winehq.org/

--
- Stephen Fuld
(e-mail address disguised to prevent spam)

[Steve J. Martin]

On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 at 9:21:25 AM UTC-4, Chuck Lefebvre wrote:
> Yes, the prepackaged Intel based Dorado servers we sell as our primary product line do use a Linux kernel. We felt for a single user environment, directed at desktop use, it would be simpler and easier to adopt if it ran on Windows. <snip>

And, of course, the commercial Dorado that's emulated on Linux is not just a single Linux box. It cooperates with other servers (e.g., Ops Servers, which run Windows!) on the maintenance LAN. So it's complicated to set up, which is why Unisys does it for the customer.

The OS2200 Express implementation is much simpler to set up and hence ideal for hobbyists.

Cheers,
Steve J. Martin

[setala]

maanantai 29. helmikuuta 2016 16.54.59 UTC+2 dan.y...@gmail.com kirjoitti:
> Register here to download OS2200 Express:
>
> http://www.unisys.com/offerings/high-end-servers/clearpath-forward-systems/clearpath-os-2200-software/clearpath-os-2200-express

Wow, I've been waiting for something like this for 3 decades!
Now it's another thing if I still can remember anything about my EXEC-8 days.
Great!

--Saku

[Marc Wilson]

In comp.sys.unisys, (dan.y...@gmail.com) wrote in
<9b60c148-bdd7-48d4...@googlegroups.com>::

>Register here to download OS2200 Express:
>
>http://www.unisys.com/offerings/high-end-servers/clearpath-forward-systems/clearpath-os-2200-software/clearpath-os-2200-express

How long does it normally take them to respond to a request?

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[Bert]

In news:pv0hdb5fbdel4md2f...@4ax.com Marc Wilson

<ma...@cleopatra.co.uk> wrote:

> In comp.sys.unisys, (dan.y...@gmail.com) wrote in
><9b60c148-bdd7-48d4...@googlegroups.com>::
>
>>Register here to download OS2200 Express:
>>
>>http://www.unisys.com/offerings/high-end-servers/clearpath-forward-syst
>>ems/clearpath-os-2200-software/clearpath-os-2200-express
>
> How long does it normally take them to respond to a request?

If my experience is typical, 2 days. Sent the license request in on
March 1 and it arrived this morning.

Just fired it up for the first time (without reading any of the docs)
and it's really creepy (in a good way) seeing that stuff on my screen
and in the generated logfile.

Just like old times.

--
be...@iphouse.com St. Paul, MN

[Marc Wilson]

In comp.sys.unisys, (Chuck Lefebvre) wrote in
<49820568-c114-4d10...@googlegroups.com>::

>As indicated above, we have posted a free download of a Windows-based OS 2200 emulator called PS/2200, preloaded with OS 2200 16.0 software. This is available for "non-commercial" use, primarily for hobbyists and education usage. The URL posted above will take you to a page to request the software. This registration page contains a link to a software license agreement which provides more details on the usage and support considerations.
>
>Good luck with your new OS 2200 execution environment.

I sent an application when this was first announced. I've not had any
sort of response, yea or nay.

I've re-applied, just in case it's got lost somewhere.

[Bofh]

Has someone decided your interest could be commercial?

I was amazed when this was announced and was thinking of going for it. Then came the question: "why?". I administer these beasts in my day job. Enough.

[Marc Wilson]

In comp.sys.unisys, (Bofh) wrote in
<6d24ecc8-c1fb-47c4...@googlegroups.com>::

>On Friday, March 11, 2016 at 4:16:39 AM UTC+1, Marc Wilson wrote:
>> In comp.sys.unisys, (Chuck Lefebvre) wrote in
>> <49820568-c114-4d10...@googlegroups.com>::
>>
>> >As indicated above, we have posted a free download of a Windows-based OS 2200 emulator called PS/2200, preloaded with OS 2200 16.0 software. This is available for "non-commercial" use, primarily for hobbyists and education usage. The URL posted above will take you to a page to request the software. This registration page contains a link to a software license agreement which provides more details on the usage and support considerations.
>> >
>> >Good luck with your new OS 2200 execution environment.
>>
>> I sent an application when this was first announced. I've not had any
>> sort of response, yea or nay.
>>
>> I've re-applied, just in case it's got lost somewhere.
>>
>>

>> https://plus.google.com/100816173414569062406
>
>
>Has someone decided your interest could be commercial?

I've had the download email, so I guess not. :)

Still waiting on a licence code, though.

I do have a commercial interest in Unisys systems, though I'm never
likely to be a customer for a 2200 system! I mainly do BIS and ICE on
Windows and (to a lesser extent) Linux. The 2200 thing is strictly out
of curiosity, and perhaps to remind myself of a few things (I used to be
quite an SSG whiz at one time - it would be fun to play with that
again).

I kind of "backed into" MAPPER/BIS; my first exposure to it was building
and installing it on 1100, when I was an Exec systems programmer. I
then got given the co-ordinator role (I was on holiday when the previous
incumbent left!) and then moved into coding.

[Stephen Boyd]

On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 9:54:59 AM UTC-5, dan.y...@gmail.com wrote:

You know, it would be nice if MAPPER / BIS were available for PS2200. I have some not so found memories of developing VERY large systems in MAPPER back in the 80s. It would be fun to see how MAPPER has evolved over the last few decades.

[Hans Vlems]

For the MCP product I did not get a separate key. So I assume it was preinstalled ?

[Stephen Fuld]

Scott, have you tried running OS2200 Express under wine? I think it
should work. Or perhaps you have found another solution?

If you have tried to run it under Linux, it would be good for the
community to let us know if it works.

[Steve Rickard]

On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 6:54:59 AM UTC-8, dan.y...@gmail.com wrote:
> Register here to download OS2200 Express:
>
> http://www.unisys.com/offerings/high-end-servers/clearpath-forward-systems/clearpath-os-2200-software/clearpath-os-2200-express

Finally! Been waiting a long time for this. Now waiting for download approval.

[Steve Rickard]

I requested download permission last Thursday. Received download the next day. Sent license request. Still waiting. Is this typical?

[Steve Rickard]

On Tuesday, July 19, 2016 at 9:21:54 PM UTC-7, Steve Rickard wrote:
> I requested download permission last Thursday. Received download the next day. Sent license request. Still waiting. Is this typical?

I received license. All I can say is wow! A great product.

[Steve Rickard]

I have PS2200 up and running. Impressive performance. I prefer running ROS (real mode), however it appears that every thing runs under the security account. Not something I would ever do on a real system. Will SIMAN ever be available or is there an alternative way to create a user account?

[andrew.st...@gmail.com]

The alternative to SIMAN is SECMGR.
It comes with PS/2200 and is the OS2200 component of the SECURITY-ADMIN product. The 16.0 documentation is 78621760-012.CHM.

@secmgr
SecMgr 4R4A (2014/Jul/18 12:14:28) 2016/Jul/28 Thu 22:36:36
install account = 123abc like = stndrd-accnt ;
@eof
END SecMgr 0 Errors 0 Warnings

[Steve Rickard]

Thanks for the reply. Unfortunately, I am unable to open the chm file on Windows 10. All efforts to fix this problem have failed. Is there any pdf doc on SECMGR?

[andrew.st...@gmail.com]

SECMGR documentation.
78621760-012.PDF exists in "ClearPath OS 2200 Release 16.0 Product Documentation Library ISO Image" (and maybe elsewhere).

[Steve Rickard]

On Saturday, July 30, 2016 at 3:55:00 AM UTC-7, andrew.st...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> SECMGR documentation.
> 78621760-012.PDF exists in "ClearPath OS 2200 Release 16.0 Product Documentation Library ISO Image" (and maybe elsewhere).

Thanks! I downloaded the iso and there it was.

[Ra Mick]

Look at the Unisys documentation. Using SECAGX you can also use a windows program called "Security Client 4R4" by Unisys in place of SECMGR. Interface is GUI and looks very much like SIMAN

[ggb]

On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 2:54:59 PM UTC, dan.y...@gmail.com wrote:
> Register here to download OS2200 Express:
>
> http://www.unisys.com/offerings/high-end-servers/clearpath-forward-systems/clearpath-os-2200-software/clearpath-os-2200-express

Silly question but what is the difference between MCP and OS2200?

thanks

[Bofh]

Unisys is the result of when Burroughs bought Sperry Univac in a Leveraged Buy Out. It was presented as a merger, but it was a takeover.
Burroughs main OS was MCP, I can't remember if Sperry's was called OS1100 or OS2200 at the time but both names refer to the same OS.
The two companies had virtually nothing in common - the hardware lines were fundamentally different and the operating systems were just as divergent.

[pils...@gmail.com]

I see, so they are 2 different OSes MCP and OS2200. Do you know any good guide for OS2200 security? in terms of how to inspect settings etc. MCP has some materials but I couldn't find for OS2200.

Thanks

[Bofh]

I'm not sure there is such a thing. http://public.support.unisys.com/search2/DocumentationSearch.aspx?ID=272&pla=ps&nav=ps is one way of looking but I really think you need someone around who understands the 2200 environment.
You need to worry about:
- network access, CPCommOS is the software you need to configure there.
- encryption, rather expensive in processor power on a ones-complement 36-bit machine (I don't know if the now current emulation on Intel makes it cheaper)
- host security (Security Level 1). I'd need a lot of convincing to go to Security Levels 2 or 3.

[Scott Lurndal]

At the time of the merger, both companies had several operating systems.

Burroughs:

MCP/AS, MCP/VS, CMS, small systems, various flavors of unix, etc.

Sperry:
Exec II, Exec 8, OS1100/OS2200, OS/9 and VMOS (former RCA Spectra) etc.

By 1990, only MCP/AS, MCP/VS and OS2200 remained, and MCP/VS was
dead as of 1992.

[Stephen Fuld]

Some minor amplifications for the Sperry side.

Exec II was long gone by the time of the merger. It was probably
totally gone by the 1970s.

Exec 8, OS/1100 and OS/2200 are the same product at different points in
time. Originally developed for the 1108 (hence the name) Exec 8 was the
name from initial development in the 1960s till the late 1970s.

At that time, Sperry decided to rename their processor line from four
digits with the first two being 11 (i.e. 1108, 1106, 1110), to the "1100
Series". This was mostly renaming (but did add semiconductor memory).
For example the 1106 became the 1100/10, the 1110 became the 1100/40.
At that time, the OS was renamed OS1100. But it was the same basic
product as Exec 8 (albeit with new features added).

As time went on, and they added new models, they again ran out of "name
space". So they decided to once again rename things so the 1100 series
became the 2200 series, and OS1100 became OS2200.

[Stephen Fuld]

Start with

ClearPath Enterprise Servers OS 2200 Security Overview

which is available free for the download at


http://public.support.unisys.com/search2/DocumentationSearch.aspx?ID=1027&pla=ps&nav=ps

[hji...@synthesis-mc.de]

Scott, you ignored the OS/3 product lines, at the time of the merger with a solid customer base. VS/9 was already decomitted by the time the merger happened.

Regards Hans

[Scott Lurndal]

Yeah, I was on the Burroughs side, and we didn't have much insight
into the Sperry side before I left. Wasn't an intentional slight.

[Marc Wilson]

In comp.sys.unisys, (Scott Lurndal) wrote in
<RVjVA.99267$qj5....@fx39.iad>::

>Exec 8, OS1100/OS2200

Exec 8 *is* OS1100/2200.

[Bofh]

On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 3:54:59 PM UTC+1, dan.y...@gmail.com wrote:
> Register here to download OS2200 Express:
>
> http://www.unisys.com/offerings/high-end-servers/clearpath-forward-systems/clearpath-os-2200-software/clearpath-os-2200-express

I'm glad to see this is still available even though the MCP equivalent has - at least temporarily - been withdrawn.