Re: Stupid Americans! -- Stupid... Stupid... STUPID!!! _____________ ewegrexi
Amardeep S Chana
[irrational blather snipped]
> <back turned>
Since you conveniently have your backside towards us, may I suggest we
give you a jalapeno pepper enema? It'll help you center your diseased mind.
switcht...@ev1.here.net
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In <wVCjPil3$Wdig3...@NEWS.GRADWELL.NET>, on 11/07/04
at 12:23 PM, Victim_of_Amer...@zyxlise.org.pe said:
>You blithering idiots! You re-elected that imbecile George Bush as your
>President. HeÆs a complete moron and so are most of you!
You can think what you want. You'll still be wrong, but you can think
what you want.
>DonÆt you care what the rest of the world thinks of you? DonÆt you care
>what impact American foreign policy has on the rest of the planet? Does
>Iraq look like a success to anyone? DoesnÆt it bother you that heÆs
>alienated every friend you have? What were you thinking???
In the order asked: No. Yes. Yes. No. That the rest of the world has
gone to hell in a hand basket and that it's about time someone did
something about it.
>Prior to this, it was American policy and the American government that
>was so universally hated around the world. Now it's going to be
>'Americans' we hate. More sympathy for Bin Laden... More attacks on
>American institutions... More isolation. How blind can you dumb
>rednecks in middle-America be, not to see this? -
Hatred begets hatred. The middle east is a prime example of this
attitude. We're there to liberate the masses. For the most part it is
our blood being spilled. It was our passivity that prompted Bin Laden to
think he could attack the US, the World Trade Center, and the rest of the
world, with impunity. We will not return to that passive attitude. They
brought the war to us, now we're taking it back to them.
>If you get hit again, or your economy goes into a deep depression, the
>American people will be getting exactly what they deserve!
We will get hit again. We have been hit many dozens of times in the past
several decades, or have you already forgotten the first attack on the
World Trade Center (1993), the Achile Laural, the USS Cole, the Marine
barracks in Lebenon, the Iranian Hostage crisis of 1979 and 1980, an
attack in 1981 against the USAF base in Ramstein, Germany, 1983 attack on
the US Embasy in Lebenon, the Pan Am flight in 1988, and there are many
more examples of attacks against both US Citizens and the US Government.
We've taken it for many years - but not any more.
That's one major reason G.W. was re-elected. We're not going to take it,
anymore.
Regarding the economy, the last time the US suffered a serious recession
it took the world with it. Do you really want to wish a recession on the
entire world?
><back turned>
Go ahead and keep your back turned. That's how people like Saddam get
into power.
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John B. Sandlin
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Peter de Vroomen
what impact
> American foreign policy has on the rest of the planet? Does Iraq look
like a success
have?
> What were you thinking???
Ah, *sob*. So many questions, so few answers.
Grow up, expand your mind: then you'll be able to answer all your questions
your own. Only little kids ask why the world is so unfair.
However, I must commend you: for a 15-year old kid, you do spell pretty
good. Better than most grown ups.
PeterV
Jan Vanden Bossche
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> In <wVCjPil3$Wdig3...@NEWS.GRADWELL.NET>, on 11/07/04
> at 12:23 PM, Victim_of_Amer...@zyxlise.org.pe said:
>
> >You blithering idiots! You re-elected that imbecile George Bush as your
> >President. He's a complete moron and so are most of you!
For starters, I do not agree with the ording, style and opinions of the
above poster. But I do want to air my own views.
> You can think what you want. You'll still be wrong, but you can think
> what you want.
The re-election of GWB has been met with considerable amazement and a lot of
disappointment in the rest of the world. That's the least we can say...
> >Don't you care what the rest of the world thinks of you?
[1]
> > Don't you care
> > what impact American foreign policy has on the rest of the planet?
[2]
> > Does Iraq look like a success to anyone?
[3]
> > Doesn't it bother you that he's alienated every friend you have?
[4]
> > What were you thinking???
>
> In the order asked: [1] No. [2] Yes. [3] Yes. [4] No. That the
> rest of the world has gone to hell in a hand basket and that it's
> about time someone did something about it.
I assume - actually, I hope - that you responded in anger to the above
questions. Let's be calm and read about a different p.o.v.
As for [1/2]: if you claim to be the most powerful nation in the world, you
should be concerned about your image in the rest of that world. Or don't be,
but then, drop the claim, or you will be seen as the bully in the
playground, as you are now. The problem with US foreign policy is that it
sometimes is really childish. You think about simple solutions, they might
work out, but sometimes they don't.
E.g. embarking full force in Saudia-Arabia to combat Iraq & liberate Kuwait
was good thinking, strategically, but you forgot that it is Holy land, for
muslims. And those took offence. Did you know where Oussama Bin Laden
originally came from ? Well, that's where it started... I have the
impression, that the US foreign policy never thinks things through.
[3] does not seem a success. The situation could go on for years, and while
the north and the south are pretty calm, the centre isn't. So it will
probably end up in breaking up the country. Something nobody wants,
certainly not Turkey. Suppose you know why ? I hope so. The only good thing
is that a dictator has been chased. Economically, socially, I don't think
the people are better off. IMO. Eventually yes, certainly, but in the mean
time, you are raising again a new generation of terrorists. You're going to
need a lot G.W. like that, you know.
[4] You don't mind that you don't have any friends left in the world ? Well,
fine. But that means that you, yourself are going to pay for policing the
world. Do you expect that the UN is going to support you when you so
blatantly set aside their authority ? Each time ?
> >More isolation. How blind can you dumb
> >rednecks in middle-America be, not to see this? -
>
> Hatred begets hatred. The middle east is a prime example of this
> attitude. We're there to liberate the masses.
You keep telling yourself that, and you'll probably believe it yourself.
You're doing a fine job liberating the palestinians. Be realistic, despite
what your leaders tell you, you are there to liberate the masses of oil in
the ground.
> For the most part it is our blood being spilled.
When was the last time you had a war on YOUR territory ? 200 years ago ? I
don't even have to drive outside of Europe to end up in the middle of a war
zone. Next to one of the most beautiful beaches of Italy ... Those are the
conflicts that inflict deep wounds in the heart of a people, when their
children are killed, their daughters raped, their fathers executed, their
brothers murdered. They are not soldiers, but the survivers of those
conflicts grow up with a hatred against those who they believe inflicted
this on them. They don't have to be right, but the hatred is there. To avoid
that hatred, you have to avoid conflicts. I didn't see the US do that, these
last years...
> It was our passivity that prompted Bin Laden to
> think he could attack the US, the World Trade Center, and the rest of the
> world, with impunity.
Like I said before, it was your ACTION that started Bin Laden. If you want
to explain an event with history, look it up completely, please.
And if you really want to go way back: there isn't a resolution in the UNSC,
condemning Israel for oppressing Palestine people, that wasn't blocked or
vetoed by the US. By continually protecting Israel, other people have felt
that there is no justice for them, only for the friends of the US, only for
Israel. I won't go into the reason you did that, but it sure didn't make you
any friends.
> We will not return to that passive attitude. They
> brought the war to us, now we're taking it back to them.
Attacking Afghanistan was just and correct, in view of most of the world.
Even muslim states agreed.
Iraq was not, and never was, any part of Bin Laden's network. Actually,
Saddam did everything to keep him out. There was no mandate from the UN to
go in and fight, like there was 10 years ago. Oh yes, and all these weapens
of mass-destruction, found them yet ? The most powerful nation in the world,
and the worst intelligence service, apparently. Hire Mossad instead. Again,
you believe what you want to believe. You don't have to believe either that
both the Taliban and Saddam Hussein were sponsored by the US, at one time or
another in their history...
> > If you get hit again, or your economy goes into a deep depression,
> > the American people will be getting exactly what they deserve!
>
> We will get hit again. [..]
> We've taken it for many years - but not any more.
Like I said, a war, a real war in your cities, your country, your territory,
you have never had. Everything you mention are grave incidents. Grave,
terrible, but incidents. I'm not dismissing them as unimportant, because
they were deadly and cruel, but it was never a continuing assault on the
women, children, cities where you live. Like you have done onto so many
others. Most of them with the best intentions, granted, but without thinking
further about the consequences. Almost typically.
> That's one major reason G.W. was re-elected.
> We're not going to take it, anymore.
Of course you are. Unless you build a wall around your country, a mile high,
and a mile wide, let nobody in or out, you will get hit again. The solution
is not more force, like George W preaches (litterally), but taking away the
root cause. In this, it's plain: stop the war in Israel. Stop protecting
Israel and force them to sign - and keep - peace treaties. Then, you can
protect them. Your only alternative is to wipe every muslim of the face of
the earth. Willing to do that ?
Sure, nuke the Kasbah, why not...
> Regarding the economy, the last time the US suffered a serious recession
> it took the world with it. Do you really want to wish a recession on the
> entire world?
That recession is going to come anyway. Maybe first we'll suffocate, because
the US refuses to follow the Kyoto protocol. Another example how a big
nation refuses to take its responsability. You are producing 25% of the
earths greenhouse gases, but you don't give a shit. That doesn't make you
any friends either.
> ><back turned>
>
> Go ahead and keep your back turned. That's how people like Saddam get
> into power.
And with a lot of money. Wonder where they get that ? Ask Bush Sr.
> John B. Sandlin
> <blathering-id...@middle.america.us>
Greetings from the TyRannoSaurus
Jan-80
Randy McLaughlin
news:s5edndcLIru...@scarlet.biz...
> Hallo
>
<snip a whole bunch of something found in pastures>
I see the "Iraq situation" quite differently from others:
Everyone wants to point out that more than 1,000 American soldiers have died
while fighting there, averaging around one soldier per day. It's true, the
question is why is it that everyone agrees that it is a major engagement
with the fewest casualties of any past war. All US citizens mourn the death
of any soldier.
Some idiots want to say that the US is trying to take the Iraqi's people
oil. The truth is simple countries like France and others were passing
bribes back and forth to steal the Iraqi's oil that was supposed to pay for
food and medicine for Iraqi citizens.
People say that Iraq has become a magnet for terrorists. I agree terrorists
from countries surrounding Iraq as well as Bathist's from Iraq are doing
their best to make Iraqi democracy fail. They do so by attacking coalition
troops and Iraqi citizens. The coalition troops are happy to kill them and
the Iraqi citizens now see them as simple murderers.
People say that people who would not otherwise be terrorists are turning to
terrorism because the US is bringing freedom to the Iraqi people. I don't
believe it, I believe that only someone that has been taught to hate and
kill will become a terrorist.
How many non-US citizens today owe their personal freedom today to the souls
of past US soldiers?
Anyone with a brain (which leaves many out) can see that true peace in the
middle east comes from individual people being given freedom. Palestinians
could have had peace and their own state many years ago but Arafat want to
keep his people subjugated.
Randy