TRS-80 and Star Trek...
Olivier Dauby
Hi *,
I've been told (but I can hardly believe this) that some early Star
Trek episodes had TRS-80 (model 1 ?) screens installed in the
USS-Enterprise control room... Hoax ?
O.
Tom Lake
> Trek episodes had TRS-80 (model 1 ?) screens installed in the
> USS-Enterprise control room... Hoax ?
Ha ha! Star Trek aired from 1966 to 1968 (2 1/2 seasons). The TRS-80
didn't show up until August 1977. Definitely a hoax.
Tom Lake
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Amardeep S Chana
Tom Lake wrote in message ...
I do recall a rumour a few years ago that "Star Trek: The Next Generation"
used CoCo's to generate the dazzler screens on the ship's bridge. Nothing
to substantiate it, however.
The Model III did make some cameos on Seinfeld and Knight Rider. The
episode where Jerry was explaining to the car rental clerk what the word
"reservation" means had a row of Model III's behind the service counter. In
Knight Rider they once used a Model III to display a color video (obviously
an overlaid image) of some bad guy's information file.
Amardeep
James Nipper
Leonard Erickson
>
> Tom Lake wrote in message ...
>>> I've been told (but I can hardly believe this) that some early Star
>>> Trek episodes had TRS-80 (model 1 ?) screens installed in the
>>> USS-Enterprise control room... Hoax ?
>>
>>
>>Ha ha! Star Trek aired from 1966 to 1968 (2 1/2 seasons). The TRS-80
>>didn't show up until August 1977. Definitely a hoax.
Actually, it was 3 full seasons.
> I do recall a rumour a few years ago that "Star Trek: The Next Generation"
> used CoCo's to generate the dazzler screens on the ship's bridge. Nothing
> to substantiate it, however.
>
> The Model III did make some cameos on Seinfeld and Knight Rider. The
> episode where Jerry was explaining to the car rental clerk what the word
> "reservation" means had a row of Model III's behind the service counter. In
> Knight Rider they once used a Model III to display a color video (obviously
> an overlaid image) of some bad guy's information file.
On "Remington Steele", the secretary had a Model III or Model 4 on her
desk. The few times they used it for anything, the display was faked.
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Ian Mavric
"Married .... with Children" the TV they have in the kitchen is the old RCA
model that the TRS-80 Video Display (as came with the original Model 1) was
made from. Looks a bit cheesy with its fake wooden sides, etc.
Ian.
Amardeep S Chana wrote in message ...
>
>Tom Lake wrote in message ...
>>> I've been told (but I can hardly believe this) that some early Star
>>> Trek episodes had TRS-80 (model 1 ?) screens installed in the
>>> USS-Enterprise control room... Hoax ?
>>
>>
>>Ha ha! Star Trek aired from 1966 to 1968 (2 1/2 seasons). The TRS-80
>>didn't show up until August 1977. Definitely a hoax.
>>
>>Tom Lake
>>ICQ #25589135
>>
>
>I do recall a rumour a few years ago that "Star Trek: The Next Generation"
>used CoCo's to generate the dazzler screens on the ship's bridge. Nothing
>to substantiate it, however.
>
>The Model III did make some cameos on Seinfeld and Knight Rider. The
>episode where Jerry was explaining to the car rental clerk what the word
>"reservation" means had a row of Model III's behind the service counter.
In
>Knight Rider they once used a Model III to display a color video (obviously
>an overlaid image) of some bad guy's information file.
>
>Amardeep
>
>
Tom Lake
> used CoCo's to generate the dazzler screens on the ship's bridge. Nothing
> to substantiate it, however.
Another rumor. Macs were used to generate all the STTNG displays.
Tom L
Rogelio Perea H.
TRS-80 Model I's displays where indeed used but in the first feature
film of the Star Trek series. The display where later "colorized" in
postproduction since the TRS-80 only gave B&W output. True fact.
TNG displays are Mac generated.
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Tom Lake
> film of the Star Trek series. The display where later "colorized" in
> postproduction since the TRS-80 only gave B&W output.
True fact.
Is there any other kind of fact? It seems as though you're being
unnecessarily redundant! 8-)
Javier Henderson
> The Model III did make some cameos on Seinfeld and Knight Rider. The
> episode where Jerry was explaining to the car rental clerk what the word
> "reservation" means had a row of Model III's behind the service counter. In
> Knight Rider they once used a Model III to display a color video (obviously
> an overlaid image) of some bad guy's information file.
On "Airplane! II", a Model III can be seen behind the
shuttle ticket scalper, briefly.
-jav
Jim K
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Rogelio Perea H. <rog...@my-dejanews.com> wrote
>
> TRS-80 Model I's displays where indeed used but in the first feature
> film of the Star Trek series. The display where later "colorized" in
> postproduction since the TRS-80 only gave B&W output.
In the 2 first Star Trek pictures: "Star Trek: The Motion Picture" and Star
Trek: the Wrath of Khan", several bridge screens are clearly generated by a
TRS-80. (listings - block graphics) In TWOK, there is even a fine close-up
of it, when Scotty says: "The engines are back online" towards the end of
the movie.
Surprise: I have some of these programs. They were published in softside.
> Rogelio
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Olivier Dauby <oli...@euro.net> wrote in article
<3748640f...@news.euro.net>...
>
> Hi *,
>
> I've been told (but I can hardly believe this) that some early Star
> Trek episodes had TRS-80 (model 1 ?) screens installed in the
> USS-Enterprise control room... Hoax ?
No. But inaccurate. A TRS-80 model I (level I) was used for some special
effects in "Star Trek - The Motion Picture" (1978)
If your Dutch is good enough, the Belgian Voyage Club (ST Fan Club) has an
article about it.
> O.
Chuck Todd
>I've been told (but I can hardly believe this) that some early Star
>Trek episodes had TRS-80 (model 1 ?) screens installed in the
>USS-Enterprise control room... Hoax ?
>
>O
HOAX, Time Frame Problem TRS-80 1978+, Startrek 1965-1967
Rogelio Perea H.
Chuck,
Yes if and only if the claim on the TRS-80 use is referring to the
original TV series. As this thread shows on previous messages, the
TRS-80 was used in the *feature films* of the Star Trek series which
started with "Star Trek The Motion Picture" late in the 70's.
What was used in the 60's tv series? - a geekier trekkie than myself
could shed some light on this ;-)
Javier Henderson
> What was used in the 60's tv series?
Light bulbs and spare wire.
-jav
Jeff Lemke
>
> On Sun, 23 May 1999 20:40:37 GMT, Olivier Dauby wrote:
>
> >I've been told (but I can hardly believe this) that some early Star
> >Trek episodes had TRS-80 (model 1 ?) screens installed in the
> >USS-Enterprise control room... Hoax ?
> >
> >O
>
> HOAX, Time Frame Problem TRS-80 1978+, Startrek 1965-1967
The first pilot,(there were 2) of the original Star Trek with Captain
Pike (played by Jeffrey Hunter), was actually produced starting in 1964,
and after being renamed, was eventually called "The Managerie". In
addition to a cast that was almost completely different, you can note a
lot of small set differences, such as the bridge view screen design with
a much wider screen frame with very rounded edges and round lights
beneath it instead of longer rectangular ones, some helm instruments
which were actually flexible desk lamps, uniforms which all had
maze-colored shirts with wider gold braids on the arms, Spock's slantier
than usual eyebrows, and of course his emotions - he had not yet been
given the persona of the emotionless Vulcan. That part was actually
being played by Majel Barret, I believe - Roddenberry's wife - who was
playing "Number One" then. She would later play Nurse Chapel (and much,
much later would play Deanna Troi's mother in the Next Generation, and
the voice of the ship's computer). Phasors in this pilot were more
gun-like, and communicators were considerably larger. My memory is a
bit foggy, but a few other differences that I vaguely remember are that
warp drive was called "hyperdrive", and there being spikes on the fronts
of the warp nacells, and there was a different, pulsing sort of sound
effect for the transporter. (Incidentally, the warp nacells were
positioned way too high - well above the ship's horizontal center of
gravity. That design flaw remained throughout the series.)
It was an interesting storyline, but Roddenberry had a tough time
selling it to NBC officials, who thought the concept was too cerebral.
(We wouldn't want to much of THAT on prime time television, now would
we?) But, they apparently thought there was enough promise in it to
give Roddenberry the go-ahead for another pilot in late 1965. In
addition to a slightly modified set and uniforms, this new pilot
featured a more familiar cast (although not quite finalized), with the
young William Shatner now playing the new captain, taking the former
Captain Pike - now a parapalegic because of an terrible accident - back
to the planet of illusions, so he could 'live' in a perfectly
functioning body again. This new role for Captain Pike was prophetic in
a way, since Jeffrey Hunter would die himself in a car accident in 1966.
NBC was convinced, and in September of 1966, the new pilot aired. By
the end of the first season, NBC was a little unhappy that the show
wasn't spectacularly popular right out of the gate, and was already
thinking about cancellation, but the powers-that-were decided to go one
more season. But by the end of the second season, they were really
going to cancel it, had it not been for a deluge of mail - largely from
the college crowd - who pleaded to keep the show going. I saw DeForest
Kelley (who played Dr. McCoy) at a Star Con in 1984. He's a very
likable, low-keyed, modest fellow in real life as well as on TV, and
told some funny stories about mishaps and falling off horses on the set
when he was making westerns in the early '60's. About the Star Trek
phenomenon, he said he remembered driving down a California highway in
the late '60's and being recognized by a Volkswagon bus full of hippies,
who were yelling and waving to him and flashed him the Vulcan 'live long
and prosper' hand sign. It was this kind of crowd who was writing the
bulk of the letters. NBC at last decided to oblige, but they put the
show on at 10PM in the third season - a death knell slot for a show that
was already a little weak in ratings. And Roddenberry was working with
an ever slimmer budget, and on several occassions had to re-use props
from other episodes. In May of 1969, the last episode aired.
That was not the end, as we all know. Star Trek conventions started
springing up, and cast members began making appearances with them
throughout the '70's, and Star Trek novels and other books on the making
of Star Trek began to be published. NBC had vastly underestimated the
power the show had, but they were very slow to be convinced.
Roddenberry had tried several times in the early and mid '70's to get
NBC to let him bring Star Trek back to television, but they refused to
budge. He did manage to bring an animated half-hour Star Trek to
Saturday mornings in 1973-74 (one of my favorites then), and he had the
advantage of having all the original cast members providing the voices
for the characters, but also the disadvantage of trying to cram an
entire story into a half hour - and some of the scripts suffered.
But the dream was still alive despite the cancellation of the animated
Trek. By 1976, the atmosphere seemed to be getting more favorable for
SIFI in movies and television again, after a great dearth of it in the
first half of the decade. Already in production were Star Wars and
Close Encounters of the Third Kind, and NASA had just named its first
prototype space shuttle "Enterprise". It wasn't long (probably around
1977) before Roddenberry had the go ahead to produce either a new Star
Trek series or a movie. They decided to go with the latter. (I think
that was partially because Roddenberry had been burning himself out in
the '60's with a new episode every week.) In 1979, Star Trek the Motion
Picture was released. 20 years later, movies and spin-offs continue a
now 35-year-old SIFI dynasty.
Jeff Lemke
(I guess you could called me a Trekkie).
Tom Lake
>
According to Bjo Trimble's "Star Trek Concordance" the last episode,
Turnabout Intruder, aired on 6/3/69.
Tom Lake
ICQ #25589135
Leonard Erickson
> The first pilot,(there were 2) of the original Star Trek with Captain
> Pike (played by Jeffrey Hunter), was actually produced starting in 1964,
> and after being renamed, was eventually called "The Managerie".
"The Menagerie" (ie "zoo")
> It was an interesting storyline, but Roddenberry had a tough time
> selling it to NBC officials, who thought the concept was too cerebral.
> (We wouldn't want to much of THAT on prime time television, now would
> we?) But, they apparently thought there was enough promise in it to
> give Roddenberry the go-ahead for another pilot in late 1965. In
> addition to a slightly modified set and uniforms, this new pilot
> featured a more familiar cast (although not quite finalized), with the
> young William Shatner now playing the new captain, taking the former
> Captain Pike - now a parapalegic because of an terrible accident - back
> to the planet of illusions, so he could 'live' in a perfectly
> functioning body again. This new role for Captain Pike was prophetic in
> a way, since Jeffrey Hunter would die himself in a car accident in 1966.
That episode (the two-parter "The Cage") was *not* the second pilot. It
was a successful attempt to re-use the film from the pilot.
The second pilot was "Where No Man Has Gone Before", that's the one
with the "barrier" at the edge of the Galaxy, and the crewmembers
gaining super psi powers.
Also, there was at least one other "pilot" shown as an episode. The
episode "Assignment: Earth" with Gary Seven and his "cat" Isis, was a
pilot for a never made series that would have been about Gary Seven's
adventures on Earth.
Amw0111
>desk. The few times they used it for anything, the display was faked.
In North Dallas 40 the coach has a TRS-80 on his desk, types in some data on a
player and says to him, something like, "It says you're finished ..."
Jeff Lemke
>
> Jeff Lemke <le...@terra.cira.colostate.edu> writes:
>
> > The first pilot,(there were 2) of the original Star Trek with Captain
> > Pike (played by Jeffrey Hunter), was actually produced starting in 1964,
> > and after being renamed, was eventually called "The Managerie".
>
>
> > selling it to NBC officials, who thought the concept was too cerebral.
> > (We wouldn't want to much of THAT on prime time television, now would
> > we?) But, they apparently thought there was enough promise in it to
> > give Roddenberry the go-ahead for another pilot in late 1965. In
> > addition to a slightly modified set and uniforms, this new pilot
> > featured a more familiar cast (although not quite finalized), with the
> > young William Shatner now playing the new captain, taking the former
> > Captain Pike - now a parapalegic because of an terrible accident - back
> > to the planet of illusions, so he could 'live' in a perfectly
> > functioning body again. This new role for Captain Pike was prophetic in
> > a way, since Jeffrey Hunter would die himself in a car accident in 1966.
>
> was a successful attempt to re-use the film from the pilot.
>
> The second pilot was "Where No Man Has Gone Before", that's the one
> with the "barrier" at the edge of the Galaxy, and the crewmembers
> gaining super psi powers.
>
> Also, there was at least one other "pilot" shown as an episode. The
> episode "Assignment: Earth" with Gary Seven and his "cat" Isis, was a
> pilot for a never made series that would have been about Gary Seven's
> adventures on Earth.
>
> --
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Yes, I do recall "Where No Man Has Gone Before" as having some of the
older props and uniforms and cast members, and that the 'second part' of
"The Cage", or "The Menagerie", was apparently not aired until after
that. What I was calling the second pilot was more of a sequel to the
first pilot, and the real second pilot ("Where No Man Has Gone Before")
came in between those two. Now that you mention it, the look of things
in the first pilot's 'sequel' was updated, and Spock was his familiar
Vulcan self (except during the long flashbacks, of course). Spock was
on trial for hijacking the Enterprise to return Capt. Pike to the
planet, but the vast majority of that episode consisted of a replay of
the first pilot. I don't think "The Menagerie" was ever shown on TV in
'65 as a separate episode by itself, so I think the flashbacks were new
to the viewers. Kind of a neat idea in a way - to show a glimpse of
"Star Trek, The Previous Generation" from the early '60's.
Later on, they did reconstruct the first pilot, restoring all of the
original footage that was cut from it in the 'sequel'.
Thanks for catching my mistake about the second pilot. It keeps you on
your toes about historical details. There's always a risk in rattling
on about things that you haven't read about in years, especially at work
where you can't go look things up to refresh your memory. I do have
that book "The Making of Star Trek" - at home.
Jeff Lemke
Arfon Gryffydd
>Trek episodes had TRS-80 (model 1 ?) screens installed in the
>USS-Enterprise control room... Hoax ?
IMPOSSIBLE!!! Star Trek's first epsiode was in 1966 and it's run
ended long before the TRS-80 Model I was released.
Dave
sha...@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) wrote:
> "The Menagerie" (ie "zoo")
> That episode (the two-parter "The Cage") was *not* the second pilot. It
> was a successful attempt to re-use the film from the pilot.
Actually, you have this backwards. The original captain Pike 1st episode
was called "The Cage". The two parter based on it was called "The
Menagerie".
I saw the original "The Cage" episode in 1974 or thereabouts at a Star
Trek convention in Columbus, Ohio. Sci-Fi channel has shown it a couple
of times recently. It's amazing how well it holds up, even after 35
years. It's no wonder NBC thought it was "too cerebral" for 1964 TV
audiences. It clearly was.
It was also announced there (the above mentioned convention) by Gene
Roddenberry himself that there would be a Star Trek movie, contracts had
just been signed, etc.
Dave
Shawn Sijnstra
>
> > TRS-80 Model I's displays where indeed used but in the first feature
> > film of the Star Trek series. The display where later "colorized" in
> > postproduction since the TRS-80 only gave B&W output.
>
>
> Is there any other kind of fact? It seems as though you're being
> unnecessarily redundant! 8-)
When's the last time you heard facts from politicians? Or Mr Gates? :)
Cheers,
Shawn
Rogelio Perea H.
Jason Montoya
>
>Hi *,
>
>I've been told (but I can hardly believe this) that some early Star
>Trek episodes had TRS-80 (model 1 ?) screens installed in the
>USS-Enterprise control room... Hoax ?
>
Considering the early Star Trek episodes ran in the mid 1960s and the
TRS-80 did not exist until the late 1970s, I vote for "hoax".
Jason Montoya
>postproduction since the TRS-80 only gave B&W output. True fact.
What other kinds of facts are there besides true facts? Isn't that a
little like a software program? <grin>
Jason Montoya
>I don't know whether this is pertinent or not, but on some early episodes of
>"Married .... with Children" the TV they have in the kitchen is the old RCA
>model that the TRS-80 Video Display (as came with the original Model 1) was
>made from. Looks a bit cheesy with its fake wooden sides, etc.
Was there anything NOT cheesy about "Married, With Children"? :-)
Jason Montoya
>Advertising facts are other kinds...
Advertising fact? Oxymoron, I cry!
Rogelio Perea H.
Lawyers deal out lots of "alleged facts" ;-)
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