Host initiated IXF
benny...@my-deja.com
Does anyone here know something about the product "Host Initiated IXF"?
Can it serve the purpose of sending and receiving files between Tandem
and PC (running Outside View 4.3) without requiring the PC user to log
on to TACL, i.e. the operator on the host side can carry out the file
download and upload by himself?
Any further information on this product is welcome as I cannot find any
detailed description in TIM.
Regards, Benny
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Art Rice
<tim.we...@myremarq.com> wrote:
>You need to find a copy of the 6530 terminal emulator
>programmers manual. This gives details of how to use the
>functions. Essentially there is a control code that can be
>sent to the terminal emulator that will allow it to start a
>program on the PC (for instance IXF). How you handle the
>security may be more of a challenge
>
>Tim
>
>
>
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Doesn't that only work with the DOS version of IXF? Or are the
Windows products supposed to respond to Host Initiated IXF also?
BTW If you have TIM, you should have access to PC6430 emulator docs
back to D20 on-line Collection.
--
Art Rice
Special Data Processing Corporation
--------------------------------------
All opinions expressed are mine and do
not reflect the views of my employer.
Art Rice
>On Wed, 04 Aug 1999 05:38:49 -0800, Tim Westlake
><tim.we...@myremarq.com> wrote:
>
>>You need to find a copy of the 6530 terminal emulator
>>programmers manual. This gives details of how to use the
>>functions. Essentially there is a control code that can be
>>sent to the terminal emulator that will allow it to start a
>>program on the PC (for instance IXF). How you handle the
>>security may be more of a challenge
>>
>>Tim
>>
>>
>>
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>
>Doesn't that only work with the DOS version of IXF? Or are the
>Windows products supposed to respond to Host Initiated IXF also?
>
>BTW If you have TIM, you should have access to PC6430 emulator docs
Sorry, That should be PC6530
Jon Sturgeon
>On Wed, 04 Aug 1999 05:38:49 -0800, Tim Westlake
><tim.we...@myremarq.com> wrote:
>
>>You need to find a copy of the 6530 terminal emulator
>>programmers manual. This gives details of how to use the
>>functions. Essentially there is a control code that can be
>>sent to the terminal emulator that will allow it to start a
>>program on the PC (for instance IXF). How you handle the
>>security may be more of a challenge
>>
>>Tim
>>
>>
>>
>>* Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network *
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>
>Doesn't that only work with the DOS version of IXF? Or are the
>Windows products supposed to respond to Host Initiated IXF also?
My company's Windows terminal emulation product (DynaComm Connectivity
Series) offers a Tandem 6530 emulation option which comes with support for
IXF file transfer and it fully supports host-initiated IXF.
Check it out at http://www.futuresoft.com
Regards,
Jon Sturgeon
Art Rice
Cool. I already did the demo some time back but that does not/did
not include the "full" IXF implementation. Really good looking
product, but pricy, especially if you want TN3270 also.
To be honest, I really liked PCT but it never had its own TCP/IP
stack. It was wonderful for Async and Multilan.
Art Rice
In the D30 Documentation PC6530 User's Guide, there are two types of
host Initiated IXF. One, IXF is started on the PC with the WAIT
option which causes it to wait until the host sends something. The
other is as follows:
"The host application sends an escape sequence to PC6530 in order to
start IXF with the HOSTEXEC option on the PC. This option is for
application development only and cannot be used from a
PC or terminal command line."
For more information on HOSTEXEC you need to contact Tandem directly.
The above information can be found in the D30 docs PC6430 User's
Guide pages 5-31 and 5-32.
The D48 Collection still has the manual from 1993 C30 Version G40
(the G40 is the emulator revision.)
Looks like they finally remove the D20 docs from the on-line
collections.
benny...@my-deja.com
How to initiate this option if I'm using Outside View 4.3? I tried to
enable the host initiated IXF option in OV but seemed that it got files
from the host even I did not start the IXF program on Tandem.
Also, I think that Host-Initiated IXF (HIIXF) is a separate product from
the original IXF program on Tandem. I have come across a document in
Compaq web site describing its features which IXF does not offer.
Benny
Art Rice
I have both OutsideView 5.1d and 6.0 (Outside32).
Neither has the wait option. If I remember what I read
in the manual, (I haven't used PC6530 for about 5 years)
the wait option is used from the PC IXF command line.
The Windows 6530 emulators do not have this option as
far as I can tell. Maybe DynaComm from FutureSoft does.
Host Initiated IXF - from the Prodcat File on my system:
Y9033D30 971011 IXF - INFORMATION EXCHANGE FACILITY - HOST
YES OPT
Y9071D20 980320 VIEWSYS - SYSTEM RESOURCE MONITORING UTILITY
YES OPT
You will see that it is an optional product. Viewsys was just below
it and I included it to show that it is also an option. One that I
have never seen ordered alone. Viewsys ships automatically as part of
another product group that I have forgotten the name of.
That is the only IXF in my Prodcat file. Prodcat lists all products
available at the time of the release. If I did not order something it
will say NO OPT.
As stated earlier, Host initiated IXF is usually used by mail and
other like applications. An escape sequence is sent to the PC
to initiate HOSTEXEC on the PC. The only way that you will get
that sequence is by contacting Tandem. And then, I don't think
OutsideView has the HOSTEXE executable. That was a DOS program
written by Tandem (or a contractor). Use the following address or
call Global support. Sorry.
Tandem Computers Incorporated
14231 Tandem Boulevard, Dept. TSC
Austin, Texas 78728-6699
tsc_pr...@tandem.com
Art Rice
wrote:
>A simple way to achieve host initiated file transfer to the
>PC is to run an FTP server on the PC (available free on the
>web, such as G6FTP Server). Then just use Tandem’s FTP to
>connect and GET or PUT files. No TACL required.
>
>
>
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I don't know about Benny, But there are still sites out there that do
not have TCP/IP on the Tandem, It cost $22,000 plus $6,000 for the
ethernet controller. If all other things are functioning on the
Tandem, some management types are not going to spend that kind of
money just to transfer a couple of files. Many still have dedicated
terminals and Multilan installations.
This may not be his situation. I came from one of those sites. The
CLX2000 had one application running on it (for predictive dialing).
It ran great. Management had no problems with adding storage, but
mess with the OS and upgrade? Risk loosing what little support for
the Application, ( the Vendor got bought by IBM and didn't support
Tandem anymore). Better to let the system run as is and work with
the tools you have until a new application comes along that will meet
your needs.
We actually used a home-grown TAL program to transfer files between
Tandem and Unisys Machines over X.25. Worked good most of the time
and either side could initiate the transfer.
Jim Volstad
Tandem and their sky-high pricing. Consider this...$40K one time fee for
Enhanced Enform along with $1K a month maintenance fee. I mean really!
I could tell a story about a large healthcare organization with 200+
hospitals, that dumped Tandem because of this type of pricing! But to
protect the guility.....LOL.
Jim Volstad
Tandem Consultant
Chicago, IL
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<<< snip >>>
> I don't know about Benny, But there are still sites out there that do
> not have TCP/IP on the Tandem, It cost $22,000 plus $6,000 for the
> ethernet controller. If all other things are functioning on the
> Tandem, some management types are not going to spend that kind of
> money just to transfer a couple of files. Many still have dedicated
> terminals and Multilan installations.
>
<<< snip >>>
Art Rice
<nospam-...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>$22K for Tandem TCP/IP and $6K for the controller? Slap Slap. That's for
>Tandem and their sky-high pricing. Consider this...$40K one time fee for
>Enhanced Enform along with $1K a month maintenance fee. I mean really!
>
>I could tell a story about a large healthcare organization with 200+
>hospitals, that dumped Tandem because of this type of pricing! But to
>protect the guility.....LOL.
>
>
>Jim Volstad
>
>Tandem Consultant
>Chicago, IL
Actually, Thats $22,300 OLC $117 Support (Annual?)
TCP Land Print Spooler $9,350 plus $49
I found out to license a 2 processor system with this, DataLoader, and
SQL, and Pathway/TS and Nonstop TS/MP, and TN3270
OLC license Initial is
Software Warranty Enhancement????
Software Support
___________________________________
abt $250,000 give or take.
The only compilers are TAL and SCOBOL
I can actually pick up some used systems for relatively
little, but try to raise the capital to legally use it.
RobLesan
don't buy Tandem to put up a simple web site, or run a "small" company. These
systems are about RELIABILITY and SPEED.
Have you priced any of Tandem's competitors for a competing system? I don't
see that price as too high.
I work in a shop that is primarily IBM. We budget $80 million a year for
MAINTENANCE just on big blue equipment.
A company purchases a Tandem system because nothing else will do. Unparalleled
reliability, unequalled throughput. I have seen the competitors, and the cost
is MUCH higher for Sun, IBM, or Terradata.
If you need a machine for development only, call your sales rep back. Tandem
has traditionaly priced development only machines and software at a
considerable discount. Or, if you only need that machine for development, look
at becomming an Alliance partner, I understand you can obtain time on a number
of machines for just development purposes.
Again, the machines are priced for what they offer. On the other hand, look at
operational costs. People look at me in utter disbelief when I tell them that
help maintain 8 systems with roughly 6 TB of disk, on more than 800 drives, on
different versions of Guardian. I am one of three sysadmins in my company
working on Tandem. These same people actually watched as I recently cut my
systems over from Ethernet to ATM without a cold load, without a user
interruption of any kind, and it all took less than two hours to get all the
Ethernet out and the ATM in and operational. Do that on ANY OTHER MACHINE.
You get what you pay for, and I consider a Tandem system a bargain at any
price.
later...rob
Michael Horst
> >> Art Rice
> >> Special Data Processing Corporation
> >> --------------------------------------
> >> All opinions expressed are mine and do
> >> not reflect the views of my employer.
> >>
> >
> >
> Art Rice
> Special Data Processing Corporation
> --------------------------------------
> All opinions expressed are mine and do
> not reflect the views of my employer.
>
I know that some time ago Tandem had something product-like called
HIIXF. It was a program to be used on the host to transfer files from /
to PCs. I do not know if it ever was a product that you could buy.
I have written a TACL macro that basically does the same thing. Ituses
the escape sequences (esc-V and esc-W) for host initiated IXF. This
macro can be used to trigger IXF transfers from the TACL command
prompt. We used it for testing host initiated IXF with our MR-Win6530
emulator product (http://www.win6530.com).
Usage Examples:
> HIIXF GET (HOSTEXEC, TRANSLATE USASCII) TEST AS *
> HIIXF PUT (HOSTEXEC, BINARY) c:\temp\test.dat as TEST
Make sure that you include the HOSTEXEC option. This will prevent the
emulator from starting the IXF host program. For host initiated IXF the
IXF program is started on the host.
Make also sure that the EXEC option of your emulator is enables. This
allows the host to execute programs on your PC, which is required for
HIIXF (for HIIXF with a windows emulator, actually there won't be any
program executed, although the host "thinks" it executes a program
called IXF.EXE. This is from the old PC6530 times where IXF.EXE was a
separate DOS program).
After finishing the transfer the macro will output the return code that
was passed back by the emulator indicating the success of the transfer.
If you receive a $: everything went fine.
The macro is as follows:
?TACL MACRO
#FRAME
#PUSH q
#PUSH a
[#DEF ascii STRUCT
BEGIN
BYTE b1 VALUE 27;
CHAR esc REDEFINES b1;
BYTE b2 VALUE 13;
CHAR cr REDEFINES b2;
END;
]
#OUTPUT [ascii:esc]-VIXF.EXE %*%[ascii:cr]
#SETV q "[ascii:esc]-W"
#INPUTV a q
IXF REMOTE
#INPUTV a q
#OUTPUTV a
#UNFRAME
Have fun.
Michael Horst
comForte GmbH
Tim Westlake
> becomming an Alliance partner, I understand you can
> obtain time on a number of machines for just development
> purposes.
There are partner group centres all over the world, Austin,
Texas and High Wycombe, UK are the biggest but they also
have them in Toronto, Hong Kong, Singapore, Tokyo and
Sophia Antipolis (France). Most offer both on site and
remote access to development and test systems.
Tim
Art Rice
>I guess I just don't understand. What are you people complaining about? You
>don't buy Tandem to put up a simple web site, or run a "small" company. These
>systems are about RELIABILITY and SPEED.
>
>Have you priced any of Tandem's competitors for a competing system? I don't
>see that price as too high.
>
>I work in a shop that is primarily IBM. We budget $80 million a year for
>MAINTENANCE just on big blue equipment.
>
>A company purchases a Tandem system because nothing else will do. Unparalleled
>reliability, unequalled throughput. I have seen the competitors, and the cost
>is MUCH higher for Sun, IBM, or Terradata.
>
>If you need a machine for development only, call your sales rep back. Tandem
>has traditionaly priced development only machines and software at a
>considerable discount. Or, if you only need that machine for development, look
>at becomming an Alliance partner, I understand you can obtain time on a number
>of machines for just development purposes.
>
>Again, the machines are priced for what they offer. On the other hand, look at
>operational costs. People look at me in utter disbelief when I tell them that
>help maintain 8 systems with roughly 6 TB of disk, on more than 800 drives, on
>different versions of Guardian. I am one of three sysadmins in my company
>working on Tandem. These same people actually watched as I recently cut my
>systems over from Ethernet to ATM without a cold load, without a user
>interruption of any kind, and it all took less than two hours to get all the
>Ethernet out and the ATM in and operational. Do that on ANY OTHER MACHINE.
>
>You get what you pay for, and I consider a Tandem system a bargain at any
>price.
>
>later...rob
I have no problem with it for a production machine. It is the cost
for develpment and testing. Sure, if you are Amex or NYSE you can and
will pay the price. When your lifeblood depends on it you will pay
the price. e-business is getting that way. Look how much e-bay has
had to pay in refunds, lost revenue, and lower stocks with all of
their failures (don't know what Friday's total down time was.)
Gary Mason
Michael Horst <michae...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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Art Rice
OK this is ESC-V = Load and Execute MS-DOS program
and ESC-W = Report EXEC return code.
Art Rice
wrote:
>Host Initiated IXF (T8525)
>
>
>Michael Horst <michae...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
<Big Snip>
The softdoc for 9033 references that. Wonder why it's not in Prodcat.
Even products not ordered show up there as NO and OPT.
As a matter of fact, now that I look, there are NO 8500s at all.
Is it part of IXF?
Tandem Systeembeheer
>their failures (don't know what Friday's total down time was.)
Interested in Tandem or non-Tandem downtime stories as I am: what happened Friday?
--
Andre Hoekstra - tan...@serv.optiebeurs.see.sig.nl (change .see.sig.nl to .nl when replying!)
The most interesting information comes from children, for they tell all they know and then stop. - Mark Twain
Art Rice
(Tandem Systeembeheer) wrote:
>On Mon, 09 Aug 1999 16:10:03 GMT, ar...@ue.itug.org (Art Rice) wrote:
>
>>their failures (don't know what Friday's total down time was.)
>
>Interested in Tandem or non-Tandem downtime stories as I am: what happened Friday?
As most of the e-world is aware, E-bay has been having big problems
over the past year. There was a really big 22 hour outage in June,
due it seems to the SUN OS being overwritten by application software.
SUN said Ebay failed to apply a patch. But SUN had given E-bay a
guarantee of availablity which really looks like "SUN failed to
install the patch."
Any how, e-bay made all kinds of promises to their users, invested in
more equipment, added more engineers, and new Executives.
Friday, they went down for "scheduled down-time" (unacceptable in
e-commerce), NO backup site. When they tried to come back up, the had
DNS problems which propegated throughout the network. 14 hours down!
Then, seven hours unplanned down from Sunday evening til Monday
morning.
The DEC guys think that maybe Compaq should lend them some real
machines, (combination of NSK and VMS) to replace the NT front-end and
SUN back-end.
Len Fishler
Art Rice wrote in message
<37b3fcda....@news-server.tampabay.rr.com>...
Glad to see that some of our customers/partners/consultants see it this way.
Most people probably have no idea just how much it costs to keep a unique
HW & OS platform going these days. Sure, Compaq's Tandem division
charges a lot for its products, but we have to generate a lot of margin to
keep the whole sales/support business model going, as well as be able to
plow back enough to pay for the R&D we do. We don't have the kind of
leverage the "bigger" platforms get from lots of outside development, since
the appeal of our platform is limited to a select set of folks that need the
best. Hopefully more of them will recognize the value we add and buy more
so we can continue to make the investments, and generate a fair amount of
profit for mother Compaq. Believe me, the profits are not excessive. In
any
event, we're in business to make money and charge fair market value for
what we provide, as a whole. I'd love to see more of the E-Commerce
types of businesses buy our gear, it sure looks like they could use it
(;-}).
Unfortunately, too many seem to have bought the McNealy (and other) hype.
- Len Fishler -
Technical Director, Networking
Systems Development Group
Tandem Division, Compaq Computers
All opinions expressed herein are mine
and do not necessarily reflect the views
of my employer.
Richard S. Pope
I believeour paths have crossed once or twice. From one old Tandem hand
to another ... well said.
If you gotta ask what it costs, you can't aford (and probably don't
need) a Tandem. Tandem's are not for teeny-boppers playing Doom-3D or
for mom and pop stores. They are for companies with serious data
processing requirements who understand what they need done and are
willing to take advantage of the best solution available.
Total cost of ownership -vs- total benefits is the real test. Tandem
NSK platforms have various costs, as do all other alternatives. Don't
over-focus on one aspect of the total cost of ownership, for example
software licenses or disk drives. You have to consider the cost savings
of near-zero downtime due to hardware or software problems or even due
to planned upgrades. This makes comparison tricky, but many very smart
and very experienced CIO's know the real value of Tandem solutions and
simply pray that Compaq keeps the product line going.
Rich Pope
Gemini Communications Inc.
Member of Compaq Solutions Alliance
Former member of Tandem Alliance
Larry Kilgallen
> If you gotta ask what it costs, you can't aford (and probably don't
> need) a Tandem. Tandem's are not for teeny-boppers playing Doom-3D or
> for mom and pop stores. They are for companies with serious data
> processing requirements who understand what they need done and are
> willing to take advantage of the best solution available.
The problem in this approach is that they also become not a machine
for software developers. I would be quite happy with a Tandem machine
that did not have redundant hardware. I could even tolerate having it
crash once a day, so long as customer machines did not.
VMS provided a tremendous increase in availability of hardware to
software developers when they introduced the MicroVAX II, in the
mid-80s. IBM did the same thing for MVS in the mid-90s. But as
the thread topic says, Tandem machines are expensive.
Larry Kilgallen
Chuck Till
>for software developers. I would be quite happy with a Tandem machine
>that did not have redundant hardware.
In the 1980s, some Tandem systems were used as general-purpose minis.
Usually in these situations, however, there was also an application requiring
fault tolerance that drove the purchase decision for Tandem. Until recent
years, Tandem sought to be a dominant player in a niche market, and making
the system attractive to software developers at large was not part of the
corporate strategy. Yes, Tandem did have relations with software developers,
but mainly in the same space as Tandem's target markets -- generally, financial
and telecom service providers. In fact, large fault-tolerant applications on
Tandem required TAL-capable programmers, and they were definitely a subset
of software developers in those days.
>But as the thread topic says, Tandem machines are expensive.
And this was a deliberate aspect of the original corporate strategy and the
resultant market positioning. "Expensive" is a relative term. In days when
Tandem was clearly a niche player, the hardware and system software pricing
was not much of a barrier to sales; competitors for fault-tolerant solutions
(Stratus, Synapse (remember them?), Digital eventually) all took the high road
on system pricing. The determining economic factor in deploying
fault-tolerant systems was generally the applications-specific costs. Other
market segments -- notably, the supercomputer segment that Control Data
invented and Cray later captured -- also priced their machines at very high
gross margins.
How all this will play out in a Compaq world, I don't know.
Art Rice
<rich...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>Len,
>
>I believeour paths have crossed once or twice. From one old Tandem hand
>to another ... well said.
>
>If you gotta ask what it costs, you can't aford (and probably don't
>need) a Tandem. Tandem's are not for teeny-boppers playing Doom-3D or
>for mom and pop stores. They are for companies with serious data
>processing requirements who understand what they need done and are
>willing to take advantage of the best solution available.
>
>Total cost of ownership -vs- total benefits is the real test. Tandem
>NSK platforms have various costs, as do all other alternatives. Don't
>over-focus on one aspect of the total cost of ownership, for example
>software licenses or disk drives. You have to consider the cost savings
>of near-zero downtime due to hardware or software problems or even due
>to planned upgrades.
All of US know why Tandem is expensive and feel that it is worth it
for the Production machines. (Educational Institutions don't, but
that's another story.)
> This makes comparison tricky, but many very smart
>and very experienced CIO's know the real value of Tandem solutions and
>simply pray that Compaq keeps the product line going.
Gee, It seems that lots of companies are firing the experienced CIOs
and CEOs. The "new blood" wants economical NT solutions. (bear in
mind that these solutions are only economical until they fail)
What I was originally talking about was a small machine with dual
processors, unmirrored drives, single port controllers and so on.
Something that developers can beat their NonStop processes pairs to
death on without having to pay for all the redundant hardware.
(The integrity servers are small, but not running Guardian. They are
expensive but less expensive than Himalayas.) I guess the used market
is the way to go for development machines.
--
Art Rice
Special Data Processing Corporation
--------------------------------------
All opinions expressed are mine and do
not reflect the views of my employer.
Richard S. Pope
> Gee, It seems that lots of companies are firing the experienced CIOs
> and CEOs. The "new blood" wants economical NT solutions. (bear in
> mind that these solutions are only economical until they fail)
Or until they need to scale up from 50 users to 5,000.
Or run multiple applications.
> What I was originally talking about was a small machine with dual
> processors, unmirrored drives, single port controllers and so on.
> Something that developers can beat their NonStop processes pairs to
> death on without having to pay for all the redundant hardware.
> (The integrity servers are small, but not running Guardian. They are
> expensive but less expensive than Himalayas.) I guess the used market
> is the way to go for development machines.
I just placed an order for a S7000 development machine so I am
newly aware of the high cost of ownership, even for Alliance
members. I do wish I could buy a unit-processor - this has been
my major gripe about Tandem pricing over the years.
Art Rice
wrote:
><!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
><html>
>Yes, I agree, sometime to be the best is not an easy way.
><p>Len Fishler wrote:
><blockquote TYPE=CITE>Art Rice wrote in message
><br><37b3fcda....@news-server.tampabay.rr.com>...
><br>>On 06 Aug 1999 23:57:08 GMT, robl...@aol.com (RobLesan) wrote:
><br>>
><br>>>I guess I just don't understand. What are you people complaining
>about?
><br>You
><br>>>don't buy Tandem to put up a simple web site, or run a "small" company.
><br>These
><br>>>systems are about RELIABILITY and SPEED.
><br>>>
><br>>>Have you priced any of Tandem's competitors for a competing system?
>I
><br>don't
><br>>>see that price as too high.
><br>>>
><br>>>I work in a shop that is primarily IBM. We budget $80 million
>a year for
><br>>>MAINTENANCE just on big blue equipment.
><br>>>
><br>>>A company purchases a Tandem system because nothing else will do.
><br>Unparalleled
><br>>>reliability, unequalled throughput. I have seen the competitors,
>and the
><br>cost
><br>>>is MUCH higher for Sun, IBM, or Terradata.
><br>>>
><br>>>If you need a machine for development only, call your sales rep back.
><br>Tandem
><br>>>has traditionaly priced development only machines and software at
>a
><br>>>considerable discount. Or, if you only need that machine for
>development,
><br>look
><br>>>at becomming an Alliance partner, I understand you can obtain time
>on a
><br>number
><br>>>of machines for just development purposes.
><br>>>
><br>>>Again, the machines are priced for what they offer. On the
>other hand,
><br>look at
><br>>>operational costs. People look at me in utter disbelief when
>I tell them
><br>that
><br>>>help maintain 8 systems with roughly 6 TB of disk, on more than 800
><br>drives, on
><br>>>different versions of Guardian. I am one of three sysadmins
>in my company
><br>>>working on Tandem. These same people actually watched as I
>recently cut
><br>my
><br>>>systems over from Ethernet to ATM without a cold load, without a
>user
><br>>>interruption of any kind, and it all took less than two hours to
>get all
><br>the
><br>>>Ethernet out and the ATM in and operational. Do that on ANY
>OTHER
><br>MACHINE.
><br>>>
><br>>>You get what you pay for, and I consider a Tandem system a bargain
>at any
><br>>>price.
><br>>>
><br>>>later...rob
><br>>
><br>>I have no problem with it for a production machine. It is the
>cost
><br>>for develpment and testing. Sure, if you are Amex or NYSE you
>can and
><br>>will pay the price. When your lifeblood depends on it you will
>pay
><br>>the price. e-business is getting that way. Look how much
>e-bay has
><br>>had to pay in refunds, lost revenue, and lower stocks with all of
><br>>their failures (don't know what Friday's total down time was.)
><p>Glad to see that some of our customers/partners/consultants see it this
>way.
><br>Most people probably have no idea just how much it costs to keep a
>unique
><br>HW & OS platform going these days. Sure, Compaq's Tandem
>division
><br>charges a lot for its products, but we have to generate a lot of margin
>to
><br>keep the whole sales/support business model going, as well as be able
>to
><br>plow back enough to pay for the R&D we do. We don't have
>the kind of
><br>leverage the "bigger" platforms get from lots of outside development,
>since
><br>the appeal of our platform is limited to a select set of folks that
>need the
><br>best. Hopefully more of them will recognize the value we add
>and buy more
><br>so we can continue to make the investments, and generate a fair amount
>of
><br>profit for mother Compaq. Believe me, the profits are not excessive.
>In
><br>any
><br>event, we're in business to make money and charge fair market value
>for
><br>what we provide, as a whole. I'd love to see more of the E-Commerce
><br>types of businesses buy our gear, it sure looks like they could use
>it
><br>(;-}).
><br>Unfortunately, too many seem to have bought the McNealy (and other)
>hype.
><p>- Len Fishler -
><br>Technical Director, Networking
><br>Systems Development Group
><br>Tandem Division, Compaq Computers
><br>All opinions expressed herein are mine
><br>and do not necessarily reflect the views
><br>of my employer.</blockquote>
></html>
Could you please set Netscape communicator not to use
HTML when posting to a newsgroup.
TIA
mchen1
Art Rice
>On Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:40:48 GMT, mchen1 <mch...@tampabay.rr.com>
>wrote:
>
>><!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
>><html>
>>Yes, I agree, sometime to be the best is not an easy way.
>
>Could you please set Netscape communicator not to use
>HTML when posting to a newsgroup.
>
>TIA
Go to Edit Preferences Mail&newsgroups Formatting
and Check "Use the Plain Text editor to compose Messages"
These settings can be overridden through the options panel in the
message composition window.
Cheers.
Doug Miller
In article <37BDA97F...@tampabay.rr.com>,
mchen1 <mch...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
+how to set? I can not find the option for this.
+
+Art Rice wrote:
+>
+> Could you please set Netscape communicator not to use
+> HTML when posting to a newsgroup.
--
dlmiller/at/netdirect/dot/net
Priyo Mustafi
HXF PUT (PURGE) C:\test.txt AS testfil
and use the macro below
?SECTION HXF ROUTINE
#FRAME
[#DEF ixf_instr DELTA |BODY|
hk
27i i-V$]
[#DEF ixf_status DELTA |BODY|
hk
27i i-W$]
[#DEF status_match DELTA |BODY|
hk
01i 36i 124i i*$]
[#PUSH
arg_string
command
error_var
error_var1
IXFPC
IXFHOST
ixf_header
ixf_words
prompt
remote
read_message
rest_of
scan_position
sink
stat
term_name
write_err
write_message
]
#SET term_name [#myterm]
#SET remote 0
#SET IXFPC IXF.EXE
#SET IXFHOST IXF
#SET ixf_header [#DELTA /COMMANDS ixf_instr/]
#SET stat [#DELTA /COMMANDS ixf_status/]
[#CASE [#ARGUMENT/VALUE arg_string/
SLASH
OTHERWISE
]
|1|
[#CASE [#ARGUMENT/VALUE arg_string/
KEYWORD/WORDLIST TERM/
]
|1|
[#CASE [#ARGUMENT/VALUE arg_string/
DEVICE/SYNTAX/
]
|1|
[#if ([#deviceinfo/devicetype/[arg_string]] = 6) |THEN|
#SET term_name [arg_string]
#SET remote [#ARGUMENT SLASH]
|ELSE|
#OUTPUT *** Error ***
#OUTPUTV arg_string
#OUTPUT
#OUTPUT Is not a valid terminal name
#OUTPUT
#UNFRAME
#RETURN
]
]
]
|OTHERWISE|
]
#SET scan_position [#GETSCAN]
[#CASE [#ARGUMENT/VALUE arg_string/
KEYWORD/WORDLIST GET/
KEYWORD/WORDLIST PUT/
KEYWORD/WORDLIST PRINT/
]
|1|
#SET command [IXFPC] GET
|2|
#SET command [IXFPC] PUT
|3|
#SET command [IXFPC] PRINT
|OTHERWISE|
]
[#CASE [#ARGUMENT/VALUE arg_string/
OPENPAREN
TEXT
]
|1|
#SET rest_of (HOSTEXEC,[#REST]
|2|
#SET rest_of (HOSTEXEC) [arg_string]
|OTHERWISE|
]
#SET ixf_words [ixf_header][command] [rest_of]
#SET Prompt [stat]
[#IF [#REQUESTER WRITE [term_name] write_err write_message] |THEN|
#OUTPUT Error Returned: [write_err]
#RETURN
#UNFRAME
]
#APPEND write_message [ixf_words]
[#IF [#REQUESTER CLOSE term_name] |THEN|
#OUTPUT Close Failed
#RETURN
#UNFRAME
]
DELAY 5 secs
[#IF [#REQUESTER/WAIT/READ [term_name] error_var read_message prompt]
|THEN|
#SET error_var1 [#REQUESTER CLOSE term_name]
|ELSE|
#SET error_var1 [#REQUESTER CLOSE term_name]
[#IF [#MATCH [#DELTA/COMMANDS status_match/] [read_message]] |THEN|
[#IF ([remote]) |THEN|
[IXFHOST]/term [term_name]/ REMOTE
|ELSE|
[IXFHOST] REMOTE
]
|ELSE|
#OUTPUT PC IXF Reported an error. Transfer aborted.
]
]
INITTERM
#UNFRAME
----------------------------
I also have a very old copy of HIIXF program
which works well with these versions. But, go
with FTP if possible.
benny...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Does anyone here know something about the product "Host Initiated IXF"?
> Can it serve the purpose of sending and receiving files between Tandem
> and PC (running Outside View 4.3) without requiring the PC user to log
> on to TACL, i.e. the operator on the host side can carry out the file
> download and upload by himself?
>
> Any further information on this product is welcome as I cannot find any
> detailed description in TIM.
>
> Regards, Benny
>
benny...@my-deja.com
to Tandem by following your command (HXF PUT ...) on the same terminal
emulation screen, error message "PC IXF Reported an error. Transfer
aborted".
Or if I put file from another emulation window by typing "HXF /TERM
$ztpt.#term/ PUT ...", after some form of IXF negotation, "IXF: -00001:
exceeded maximum retries: $ztpt.#term" returns. The $ztpt.#term has been
paused after logging on to TACL.
Do you have any idea about these? Or do I need to install the "HIIXF
option" (?) before it can work? I really have no clue about HIIXF as
local Tandem (Compaq) support can never ever help me to find out this
product!
Your suggestion on using FTP is good, and this is what we are using now.
However, due to some reasons, we are not allowed to use it anymore.
In article <37CCBE44...@home.com>,