Tandem architechture

[Sheky]

Hi,

Would anybody please clarify what is tandem nonstop "h" or "g" or "j"
series? i know these are different RVUs and they are different based
on CISC/RISC/EPIC. That much I know only. If anyone can site any
resource where from i can get details, it would be great.

And in which category (g/h/j), Tandem nonstop blade systems comes
under? I don't understand when I do "viewsys", it shows some NB series
processor. I don't know why it does not show up "H"/ "J" series
processor.

Thanks.

[Bill Honaker]

Hi, Sheky,

The NB series refers to the hardware; the H/G/J refers to the OS
release versions.

'G' refers to the OS versions built fo the S-series hardware
(MIPS/RISC) hardware.

'H' refers to the OS versions built for the original single-core
Itanimum (EPIC) hardware.

'J' refers to the OS versions built for the Blade-version (multi-core)
Itanium (EPIC) hardware.

The last hardware with 'CISC" in it was the CLX processors from the
1980s. If you find any of that running, it would probably be in the
'C' or 'D' series OS versions. There were also some MIPS (RISC) based
systems that were K-series, which would also be running 'D' series.

Hope that helps. I don't have references to look that up except
perhaps the standard manuals found at
http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Product.jsp?lang=en&cc=us&taskId=101&contentType=SupportManual&docIndexId=64255&prodTypeId=15351&prodCatId=407843.
That page does reference the hardware in the top 3 sections and the
software in the bottom.

[Sheky]

On Apr 5, 10:48 am, Bill Honaker <no_spam_bhonaker__@x_i_d.com> wrote:
> Hi, Sheky,
>
> The NB series refers to the hardware; the H/G/J refers to the OS
> release versions.
>
> 'G' refers to the OS versions built fo the S-series hardware
> (MIPS/RISC) hardware.
>
> 'H' refers to the OS versions built for the original single-core
> Itanimum (EPIC) hardware.
>
> 'J' refers to the OS versions built for the Blade-version (multi-core)
> Itanium (EPIC) hardware.
>
> The last hardware with 'CISC" in it was the CLX processors from the
> 1980s.  If you find any of that running, it would probably be in the
> 'C' or 'D' series OS versions.  There were also some MIPS (RISC) based
> systems that were K-series, which would also be running 'D' series.
>
> Hope that helps.  I don't have references to look that up except

> perhaps the standard manuals found athttp://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Product.jsp?lang=en&....

> That page does reference the hardware in the top 3 sections and the
> software in the bottom.
>
> On Fri, 5 Apr 2013 10:38:46 -0700 (PDT), Sheky
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <shekhar07.nit...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Hi,
>
> >Would anybody please clarify what is tandem nonstop "h" or "g" or "j"
> >series? i know these are different RVUs and they are different based
> >on CISC/RISC/EPIC. That much I know only. If anyone can site any
> >resource where from i can get details, it would be great.
>
> >And in which category (g/h/j), Tandem nonstop blade systems comes
> >under? I don't understand when I do "viewsys", it shows some NB series
> >processor. I don't know why it does not show up "H"/ "J" series
> >processor.
>
> >Thanks.

Hi Bill, Thank you very much. :)

[Sheky]

One thing, I wanted to notify- I can't access the hardware related
documents on that page. Is buying that hardware necessary for getting
those manuals.?..Any thoughts..

Thanks.

[Robert Hutchings]

Can you show up a "screen scrape" of the Viewsys? In Windows 7 you can use the Snipping Tool, or you can use SnagIt (I think). I'd be interested in seeing this..

- Rob

[dimandja]

Sheky, le vendredi 5 avril:

> One thing, I wanted to notify- I can't access the hardware related
>
> documents on that page. Is buying that hardware necessary for getting
>
> those manuals.?..Any thoughts..
>
>
>
> Thanks.

I know what you mean. Clicking on anything on that page gets you to another totally useless page: "Tips for Locating NonStop Documents in the BSC".

One day, HP will put their act together.

[Keith Dick]

The links on that page under "NonStop Technical Library" work properly, leading to pages that contain large collections of software manuals.

The manual entry for "Tips for Locating ..." appears on the pages for the software manuals, too. I think all of those pages are created from the result of a database query, and the queries for the various hardware topics simply don't return any matches for hardware manuals, leaving that "Tips for Locating ..." manual as the only match. If you look again at the pages, you'll see that "Tips for Locating ..." is not the title of the pages that result. The titles vary depending on which link was clicked.

I don't know why the links for hardware don't yield any hardware manuals. I see something in the upper left of those pages about signing in with your HP Passport. Perhaps HP does restrict the hardware manuals based on something about who is making the request, or it might just be a mistake in the coding of these pages.

[shekhar0...@gmail.com]

Keith,

I can get to "HP Integrity NonStop BladeSystem NB54000c Server" manual page through search. But, the thing is that, is shows up- "There are no technical support documents for this product relating to "Manuals (guides, supplements, addendums, etc)"

FYI- the link is- http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/DocumentIndex.jsp?lang=en&cc=us&taskId=101&contentType=SupportManual&docIndexId=64255&prodSeriesId=5076888&prodTypeId=3709945

Actually, I don't work on hardware stuffs and never seen a Tandem hardware so far (please, don't laugh at me), expect working on application development (better to say, maintenance). So, it always excites me to get to know a bit insight into hardware, for sake of interest.

Thanks.

[shekhar0...@gmail.com]

Hi Rob,

I am sorry, but due to organisation's (where i work) policies , I won't be able to post snapshot of viewsys. I think, you understand.

Thanks.

[wbreidbach]

Maybe the first thing you should do is learning something about the NonStop (Tandem) architecture. Here is a link to a pretty old but still valid document as long as you do not look at the hardware itself.
https://sites.google.com/site/microtechnonstop/guardian-architecture-made-easy-game
For somebody not directly involved in hardware monitoring and service there is not big difference between S-Series with G06.xx OS, NS-Series with H06.xx OS and NB/NS-Series with J06.xx OS. The main difference between H06.xx and J06.xx is that J06.xx supports multicore processors, H06.xx doesn't. We exchanged a NS16000 against a NB54000C without any change to applications in just a couple of hours.
Something about the code:
CISC or TNS code is produced by the non-native compilers like TAL or COBOL85, this code can be executed on any of the mentioned systems (it should even be executable on the very old systems). The S-Series are based on MIPS-processors which are RISC processors. To produce native RISC code you need a special compiler like PTAL. The Itanium based systems use EPIC code and to produce that code you also need specific compilers like EPTAL.
In addition there are tools available to convert TNS (CISC) code to RISC (AXCEL) or EPIC (OCA). The converted programs might still require some TNS (CISC) code to be executed.