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A remote tandem/tacl session
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Shiva
Jan 5, 2015, 12:54:08 PM1/5/15
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Hi everyone,
Back with a different question, not related to a doubt about the system actually. I think I've already told you all that I have a restricted work environment. I don't have a laptop (most offshore colleagues of yours won't) and for all the experiments and practices that I do in Tandem - I do them in the extra hours I sit in the office. And even if - at the middle of the night - I get an idea to try on, I'd have to get up go to the office to try that (of course, I don't do that, I try it the next day), but this post is to all of you the vastly experienced in Tandem - is there a remote tandem session or a tacl session that I can even buy to work on them? Say like a lab website kind of a link where I'm provided user ID and password to log on and work with. Even if it had to be paid, I think I'd consider the option - because having to go to office to do any of my practice would mean a lot of work, especially because of the lack of internet access.
I've asked many and they've replied in negative - though some suggest that even if there is such a thing, it would be very costly that I won't be able to buy it off. Never thought it would be this hard to try and learn Tandem - but that's the way it goes for proprietary software, I understand.
So if any of you gurus have a way around for me, I'd be pleased to hear that.
Back with a different question, not related to a doubt about the system actually. I think I've already told you all that I have a restricted work environment. I don't have a laptop (most offshore colleagues of yours won't) and for all the experiments and practices that I do in Tandem - I do them in the extra hours I sit in the office. And even if - at the middle of the night - I get an idea to try on, I'd have to get up go to the office to try that (of course, I don't do that, I try it the next day), but this post is to all of you the vastly experienced in Tandem - is there a remote tandem session or a tacl session that I can even buy to work on them? Say like a lab website kind of a link where I'm provided user ID and password to log on and work with. Even if it had to be paid, I think I'd consider the option - because having to go to office to do any of my practice would mean a lot of work, especially because of the lack of internet access.
I've asked many and they've replied in negative - though some suggest that even if there is such a thing, it would be very costly that I won't be able to buy it off. Never thought it would be this hard to try and learn Tandem - but that's the way it goes for proprietary software, I understand.
So if any of you gurus have a way around for me, I'd be pleased to hear that.
comforte...@gmail.com
Jan 7, 2015, 2:34:02 AM1/7/15
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Shiva,
there are many ways to "remote" access a NonStop system but the main hurdle you will face is network connectivity: You will need to be able to get a network connection from home to the NonStop.
Typically this involves setting up a VPN - if you can not get this done all is lost.
If you *can* get it done, you only need a 6530-enabled emulator on your home PC if you want to do block mode things. For line-mode only (clumsy yet enough for many things), any vt100 emulator will do.
there are many ways to "remote" access a NonStop system but the main hurdle you will face is network connectivity: You will need to be able to get a network connection from home to the NonStop.
Typically this involves setting up a VPN - if you can not get this done all is lost.
If you *can* get it done, you only need a 6530-enabled emulator on your home PC if you want to do block mode things. For line-mode only (clumsy yet enough for many things), any vt100 emulator will do.
Shiva
Jan 7, 2015, 2:11:34 PM1/7/15
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I don't want to access my office HP NS server from home. I hope that's not what you're suggesting. Any payable, HP NS Tandem session hosting sites which will let me log in and do my practice and let me log out. That's what I'd need.
Also the 6530 emulator would have to be bought. But hopefully the vt100 emulators are free?
And what do you mean by setting up VPN? I have a internet network connection. But I'm sure that's not what you're talking about. In that case, what do you mean? How do I get that done? I'm ready to do all that takes to get this done.
Also the 6530 emulator would have to be bought. But hopefully the vt100 emulators are free?
And what do you mean by setting up VPN? I have a internet network connection. But I'm sure that's not what you're talking about. In that case, what do you mean? How do I get that done? I'm ready to do all that takes to get this done.
Keith Dick
Jan 7, 2015, 3:29:12 PM1/7/15
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PuTTY is free, and pretty good, especially for accessing the OSS environment. There is a 6530 emulator written in Java that is free. It isn't the best emulator, but it mostly works. The main problem with anything that does not emulate the 6530 terminal is block mode programs. You would not be able to use TEDIT without a 6530 emulator. You would not be able to run any Screen COBOL without a 6530 emulator. And a few others.
A VPN is a virtual private network. It connects your computer to the Local Area Network at the central site through the Internet, but securely, while making it appear that your computer is just another local computer on the LAN at the central site. It's main advantage is that the corporate firewall only needs to allow incoming VPN connections to give a remote accessor full access to the corporate systems. Windows has a VPN client built in, and if you are using a Linux system, there are free VPN clients for it, too. So you would not have to buy anything for the VPN. You would only need to know the IP address, VPN userid, and VPN password, and maybe one or two other parameters to set in the VPN client. If you even have to set up a VPN, it won't be difficult. But unless you find someone selling remote access to a NonStop system, you won't have need to.
Shiva
Jan 7, 2015, 4:55:39 PM1/7/15
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> I don't believe Thomas said anything that was only applicable if you were asking about remote access to your employer's NonStop system. What he said was appropriate for accessing anyone's NonStop system remotely. I don't know of any company that offers "time sharing" on a NonStop system on a casual basis. The question has been asked before. There are some disaster recovery services that offer remote access to NonStop systems for companies to use in case they have a disaster at their own NonStop system's site, but that is not what you are asking about.
I didn't know that it was asked before. Sorry. I just wanted to log onto some random guardian system which I know nothing about - just to practice and then log off, thought there'd be at least some mimic of it where I could practice. Or even like the lab TACL sessions you get to try stuff on, when HP gives some training.
But those are actually Guardian systems that are used by HP solely for the purpose of training. Would love access to some system like that, even if I had to pay for it.
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> PuTTY is free, and pretty good, especially for accessing the OSS environment. There is a 6530 emulator written in Java that is free. It isn't the best emulator, but it mostly works. The main problem with anything that does not emulate the 6530 terminal is block mode programs. You would not be able to use TEDIT without a 6530 emulator. You would not be able to run any Screen COBOL without a 6530 emulator. And a few others.
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> A VPN is a virtual private network. It connects your computer to the Local Area Network at the central site through the Internet, but securely, while making it appear that your computer is just another local computer on the LAN at the central site. It's main advantage is that the corporate firewall only needs to allow incoming VPN connections to give a remote accessor full access to the corporate systems. Windows has a VPN client built in, and if you are using a Linux system, there are free VPN clients for it, too. So you would not have to buy anything for the VPN. You would only need to know the IP address, VPN userid, and VPN password, and maybe one or two other parameters to set in the VPN client. If you even have to set up a VPN, it won't be difficult. But unless you find someone selling remote access to a NonStop system, you won't have need to.
I use MAC and may be there are clients for that too. I'll need the host system's IP and the user ID and password, hmm. Not hard. Just need to find the host system first! ;)
> A VPN is a virtual private network. It connects your computer to the Local Area Network at the central site through the Internet, but securely, while making it appear that your computer is just another local computer on the LAN at the central site. It's main advantage is that the corporate firewall only needs to allow incoming VPN connections to give a remote accessor full access to the corporate systems. Windows has a VPN client built in, and if you are using a Linux system, there are free VPN clients for it, too. So you would not have to buy anything for the VPN. You would only need to know the IP address, VPN userid, and VPN password, and maybe one or two other parameters to set in the VPN client. If you even have to set up a VPN, it won't be difficult. But unless you find someone selling remote access to a NonStop system, you won't have need to.
When I understood that most people had not replied, I knew that this question had no answer. Because no body gives away free logons to HP NS systems and even if they wanted to sell it - it'd have to be over priced to accommodate enough to run a business and which in turn would turn the business down because there would not be many people who'd pay more just to practice. Problems with proprietary software. Be where it is easy. A workplace where you get a laptop to work! :D
Keith Dick
Jan 7, 2015, 9:29:38 PM1/7/15
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Shiva wrote:
>>I don't believe Thomas said anything that was only applicable if you were asking about remote access to your employer's NonStop system. What he said was appropriate for accessing anyone's NonStop system remotely. I don't know of any company that offers "time sharing" on a NonStop system on a casual basis. The question has been asked before. There are some disaster recovery services that offer remote access to NonStop systems for companies to use in case they have a disaster at their own NonStop system's site, but that is not what you are asking about.
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> I didn't know that it was asked before. Sorry. I just wanted to log onto some random guardian system which I know nothing about - just to practice and then log off, thought there'd be at least some mimic of it where I could practice. Or even like the lab TACL sessions you get to try stuff on, when HP gives some training.
Asking again is okay. It has been a while since the last time it was asked. You never know -- someone providing such a service might have popped up since the last time it was asked.
>>I don't believe Thomas said anything that was only applicable if you were asking about remote access to your employer's NonStop system. What he said was appropriate for accessing anyone's NonStop system remotely. I don't know of any company that offers "time sharing" on a NonStop system on a casual basis. The question has been asked before. There are some disaster recovery services that offer remote access to NonStop systems for companies to use in case they have a disaster at their own NonStop system's site, but that is not what you are asking about.
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> I didn't know that it was asked before. Sorry. I just wanted to log onto some random guardian system which I know nothing about - just to practice and then log off, thought there'd be at least some mimic of it where I could practice. Or even like the lab TACL sessions you get to try stuff on, when HP gives some training.
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> But those are actually Guardian systems that are used by HP solely for the purpose of training. Would love access to some system like that, even if I had to pay for it.
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>>PuTTY is free, and pretty good, especially for accessing the OSS environment. There is a 6530 emulator written in Java that is free. It isn't the best emulator, but it mostly works. The main problem with anything that does not emulate the 6530 terminal is block mode programs. You would not be able to use TEDIT without a 6530 emulator. You would not be able to run any Screen COBOL without a 6530 emulator. And a few others.
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> I'll note that down, thank you very much. And it's not OSS - it is the Guardian environment that I'm after.
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>>A VPN is a virtual private network. It connects your computer to the Local Area Network at the central site through the Internet, but securely, while making it appear that your computer is just another local computer on the LAN at the central site. It's main advantage is that the corporate firewall only needs to allow incoming VPN connections to give a remote accessor full access to the corporate systems. Windows has a VPN client built in, and if you are using a Linux system, there are free VPN clients for it, too. So you would not have to buy anything for the VPN. You would only need to know the IP address, VPN userid, and VPN password, and maybe one or two other parameters to set in the VPN client. If you even have to set up a VPN, it won't be difficult. But unless you find someone selling remote access to a NonStop system, you won't have need to.
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> I use MAC and may be there are clients for that too. I'll need the host system's IP and the user ID and password, hmm. Not hard. Just need to find the host system first! ;)
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