Which CPU speed is ss10/390Z50 ?
Darren
SS10 on ebay for 290 dollars. Pretty good
price I think. Anyway can I tell which
CPU this one is from the details below ?
Looks like 50mhz to me, when I look at the
SUN H/W FAq (http://wugate.wustl.edu/~rachelle/part1.html)
it looks like this one, I hope.
10/51 50 65.2 83.0 1580 2008
My Machine details (haven't taken delivery yet)
Sun Sparc 10
96 meg ram
CPU 390Z50
HD ST11200N (1.2gb)
GX video
onboard ISDN
Keyboard&Mouse
Also can I put the later model keyboard and
mechanical mouse straight onto this box or do
I need to upgrade the eprom ? If so which
version. What other speed up options do I
have ?
Thanks alot, great help on this list !
Darren
J.D. Baldwin
Darren <nos...@spaghetti.pasta.org> wrote:
> All in the subject I have just picked up a SS10 on ebay for 290
> dollars. Pretty good price I think. Anyway can I tell which CPU this
> one is from the details below ? Looks like 50mhz to me, when I look
> at the SUN H/W FAq (http://wugate.wustl.edu/~rachelle/part1.html) it
> looks like this one, I hope.
>
> 10/51 50 65.2 83.0 1580 2008
The "Z50" doesn't mean 50MHz. Well, it does, sort of, but it doesn't
mean the chip is running at that speed.
However, you appear to have a "Model 51" (if that's the meaning of
10/51) which does have a 50 MHz clock speed.
Other SS 10 speeds are 33 and 40 MHz, but I forget the model numbers
associated with those speeds.
> My Machine details (haven't taken delivery yet)
> Sun Sparc 10
> 96 meg ram
> CPU 390Z50
> HD ST11200N (1.2gb)
> GX video
> onboard ISDN
> Keyboard&Mouse
>
> Also can I put the later model keyboard and mechanical mouse
> straight onto this box or do I need to upgrade the eprom ? If so
> which version.
It should work fine with no upgrades.
> What other speed up options do I have ?
Off the top of my head, a faster hard drive seems obvious. Maybe a
bigger one, while you're at it, if you're going to install Solaris 7.
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Mike N
in them, so if I read this correctly the machine has a 36 MHz bus. If
that is the case what do I need to change other than the CPU(s) of
course to make the machine faster? In other words I have my choice of
a pair of SM-51's or HS 125's (I have a boot PROM on order) what else
needs to be done to utilize these CPUs?
As always Thanks to all who provide the answers to us budding Sun
lovers.
Mike N
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Greg Leblanc
Darren <nos...@spaghetti.pasta.org> wrote:
> All in the subject I have just picked up a
> SS10 on ebay for 290 dollars. Pretty good
> price I think. Anyway can I tell which
> CPU this one is from the details below ?
> Looks like 50mhz to me, when I look at the
> SUN H/W FAq (http://wugate.wustl.edu/~rachelle/part1.html)
> it looks like this one, I hope.
>
> 10/51 50 65.2 83.0 1580 2008
>
> Sun Sparc 10
> 96 meg ram
> CPU 390Z50
I think that this code is for a SuperSPARC CPU with no SuperCache. If
it's 50MHz, then it's an SM50, and will run at 40MHz in your SS10,
because that's the max speed of the MBUS on that machine.
> HD ST11200N (1.2gb)
> GX video
> onboard ISDN
> Keyboard&Mouse
>
> Also can I put the later model keyboard and
> mechanical mouse straight onto this box or do
> I need to upgrade the eprom ? If so which
> version. What other speed up options do I
> have ?
Mouse and keyboard shouldn't be a problem. For speed options, this
machine can take most mbus modules, up to about 160MHz. Check out
www.sunhelp.org for more sun info, and/or the mailing lists there.
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Greg Leblanc
Mike N <twmaster...@pikesville.net> wrote:
> I'm looking at this thread with interest, I have 2 SS10's with SM-30's
> in them, so if I read this correctly the machine has a 36 MHz bus. If
> that is the case what do I need to change other than the CPU(s) of
> course to make the machine faster? In other words I have my choice of
> a pair of SM-51's or HS 125's (I have a boot PROM on order) what else
> needs to be done to utilize these CPUs?
You have a choice of many more CPUs than that. You can use SM41s, 51s,
61s, 71s, and 81s, which are all SuperSPARCs of a type. These will have
1meg cache on the module, with clock speeds about 10x the first number
there. The SM81 is 85MHz, and the SM71s is 75MHz, the others end in 0
(51 is 50MHz). You can also get HyperSPARCs with speeds from about
100MHz up to 200MHz (it doesn't run that fast in the SS10, though).
These each have half a meg of cache, and I have no idea how they're
named. The SuperSPARCs are much faster per clock speed, but don't o as
high. A 150MHz SuperSPARC is only slightly faster than an 85MHz
superSPARC, because of the way the processors are designed. To run
these in your SS10, you'll probably need prom version 2.22 or 2.25,
though I'm not sure which.
Greg
Fredrik Lundholm
>price I think. Anyway can I tell which
>CPU this one is from the details below ?
Yes, it either a 33, 36 or 40 MHz SuperSPARC without cache.
To upgrade it find a pair of cheap ross's.
>Looks like 50mhz to me, when I look at the
>SUN H/W FAq (http://wugate.wustl.edu/~rachelle/part1.html)
>it looks like this one, I hope.
>
>10/51 50 65.2 83.0 1580 2008
No the 51's has a different model number..!
>Also can I put the later model keyboard and
>mechanical mouse straight onto this box or do
>I need to upgrade the eprom ? If so which
>version.
Yes, I've tried Type 5's and Type 6's should work I guess.
>What other speed up options do I
>have ?
Cheap: Find a pair of "slow Ross's", I bought 66MHz's for $30 a pop.
Expensive: Find a single or a pair of Faster Ross's or Sun
SuperSPARC's.
>
>Thanks alot, great help on this list !
>
>Darren
Fredrik
William F. Wyatt
>
> I'm looking at this thread with interest, I have 2 SS10's with SM-30's
> in them, so if I read this correctly the machine has a 36 MHz bus. If
> that is the case what do I need to change other than the CPU(s) of
> course to make the machine faster? In other words I have my choice of
> a pair of SM-51's or HS 125's (I have a boot PROM on order) what else
> needs to be done to utilize these CPUs?
>
There's a jumper on the mobo to select 40 MHz. There are (IIRC) three
varieties of S10 mobos out there. Get a copy of Birdsall's 'Sun Hardware
Reference Manual' (do a net search) for the details. I used this to
convert a SS10/30 to a 150 MHz Ross cpu with no problems.
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Mike N
>
>You have a choice of many more CPUs than that. You can use SM41s, 51s,
>61s, 71s, and 81s, which are all SuperSPARCs of a type. These will have
>1meg cache on the module, with clock speeds about 10x the first number
>there. The SM81 is 85MHz, and the SM71s is 75MHz, the others end in 0
>(51 is 50MHz). You can also get HyperSPARCs with speeds from about
>100MHz up to 200MHz (it doesn't run that fast in the SS10, though).
>These each have half a meg of cache, and I have no idea how they're
>named. The SuperSPARCs are much faster per clock speed, but don't o as
>high. A 150MHz SuperSPARC is only slightly faster than an 85MHz
>superSPARC, because of the way the processors are designed. To run
>these in your SS10, you'll probably need prom version 2.22 or 2.25,
>though I'm not sure which.
> Greg
Thanks much for the input folks!! I am aware that the SS10 boxen can
take other chips than the SM-51 and HS-125, it's just that those are
what I have right now! As soon as my PROM gets here this box will be
rockin!
Cheers All!!
Mike N
Greg Leblanc
"William F. Wyatt" <REMOVEw...@cfa.harvard.edu> wrote:
> There's a jumper on the mobo to select 40 MHz. There are (IIRC) three
> varieties of S10 mobos out there. Get a copy of Birdsall's 'Sun
> Hardware
> Reference Manual' (do a net search) for the details. I used this to
> convert a SS10/30 to a 150 MHz Ross cpu with no problems.
Get a copy from http://www.sunhelp.org/, along with LOTS of other sun
info.
Darren Reed
: I'm looking at this thread with interest, I have 2 SS10's with SM-30's
: in them, so if I read this correctly the machine has a 36 MHz bus. If
: that is the case what do I need to change other than the CPU(s) of
: course to make the machine faster? In other words I have my choice of
: a pair of SM-51's or HS 125's (I have a boot PROM on order) what else
: needs to be done to utilize these CPUs?
The best way to work out what the CPU is in an ss10 or ss20 is to cross
check the _part number_ of the MBUS module. This will be a number like
501-2218. Find that number then look up what it is via a site such as
www.sunhelp.org (look for the hardware section - you'll need to check
*both* the CPU/MB section (1) and the boards section (3 and 4). *Some*
revs have been replaced, over time, and aren't in those pages. If looking
there fails, do a search on www.sun.com and you might find a reference to
a page which lists a board as "501-1234 replaced by 501-2345". If you
were looking for 501-1234 then also lookup on www.sunhelp.org for 501-2345.
You'd be extremely unlucky to not be able to work it out then. Only
problem is that www.sunhelp.org doesn't seem to contain any part number
data for anything newer than the SM-61's.
When buying a SS10 off the 'net, *always* check the CPU MBUS module part
number with one of those because quite often the seller is not 100% accurate.
Darren
Greg Leblanc
ava...@cheops.anu.edu.au (Darren Reed) wrote:
> Only
> problem is that www.sunhelp.org doesn't seem to contain any part
> number
> data for anything newer than the SM-61's.
I don't suppose you want to volunteer to become the new maintainer of
the hardware reference, do you? :)
Bernd Braun
> ava...@cheops.anu.edu.au (Darren Reed) wrote:
> > Only
> > problem is that www.sunhelp.org doesn't seem to contain any part
> > number
> > data for anything newer than the SM-61's.
40 MHz
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