buying an Ultra 5 !?! What was I? Crazy? I gave up and NOW have a SS20 ...
Dennis Clarke
Much to the surprise of my wife I came stumbling in the door looking like a 20 inch Sun monitor with two legs under it and cables flying for arms. Behind that came a friend with a ( familiar to me ) pizza box computer that says SPARCstation 20 on it.
wife unit : "What the hell is that?"
me : " cumputer?"
wife : "does it run unix?" - note:
my wife is a java programmer ...
me : "on both cpu's,
yep, you bet"
wife : long drawn out 'ooooo' with
a rising inflection -
cat jumps off couch - looks at disembodied floating monitor - hides under
couch
me : "let's make room
in the computer room ... this is my main machine now ...."
at this last statement my NT workstation blue screens and lets out a little
whine from its scsi drive ....
OK - so here is what I actually brought home from a company called LiveWire in Toronto Canada that sells refurbished Sun stuff :
ss20 twin 60MHz cpus
twin 4.2G Sun SCSI drives
128 Meg RAM - TGX Graphics - 20 inch Sun monitor
and
type 5c keyboard - optical mouse - mouse pad
-
external scsi cdrom - toshiba XM-3401TA in a
Sun UniPack?
The whole mess was about $5500.00 CDN =
$ 3600.00 US
but $2000 was two Sun 4.2G drives
and $700 was 128Meg Ram
and $375 each for the cpu modules
and $250 for the TGX card
and $1000 for the ss20 box empty
and $1000 for the 20" Sun monitor
and $200 for the external scsi cd but thats
a loaner
Dennis Clarke
ps: I'll never cross-post across that many groups again but I am getting a lot of traffic on this. Thank to everyone. I don't need an ultraSparc chip to be happy with sun hardware - at least for now.
Dennis Clarke wrote:
I have been thinking about a Sun WorkStation for home for some time now.
I think that the Ultra 5 is a perfect fit for my needs/wallet but I am swimming in
part numbers and possible configurations. Here are my thoughts, so, please
have a look at this and tell me if I am in the ball park :For performance and long term use without further upgrade:
Part # UGSS2UHC1A9PB256CP - Upgrade from SLC, ELC, IPC,
1/1+, SPARCclassic, LX, IPX, or SPARCstation 2
Sun Ultra 5 System, 333-MHz, 256-MB, 2-MB Level-II cache,
9-GB disk, 1.44-MB floppy, 32X CD, PGX24 Graphics,
100-Mb Ethernet, N. Amer. Country Kit, Solaris 7
Price Unknown!Part # G-XDSK010A-4G
Sun StorEdge UniPack 4.2GB, 7200rpm hard drive
Price : CD 1410.00Part # X6540A [ do I need this ? ]
Dual-Channel Single-Ended UltraSCSI Host Adapter, PCI for the Ultra
Enterprise 450, ships with 2 external ultra scsi 2m cables.
Price : CD 1305.00Part # X1032A [ do I this instead ? ]
10/100BaseT F/W UltraSCSI PCI Adapter 1.0
Price : CD 1730.00Part # UG-MON-19-C - Upgrade from any previous generation Sun monitor
19-inch color monitor 0.27mm dot pitch shadow mask, 1280x1024 @ 76Hz,
WW agency compliance, 1.8m detachable HD-15 pin video cable,
10-language user's guide.
Price : CD 1110.00Part # X470A [ do I need this? ]
13W3F to HD15M Video Adapter Cable
Price : CD 70.00Now, the reason for the SCSI adapters and unipack is that the IDE drives
in the Ultra5 and Ultra10 are slow slow slow ... SCSI is best and I don't
want IDE at all. Can we build an Ultra5 with a SCSI adapter and an external
UniPack to boot from? I don't want the IDE hard disk or CDROM at all!Do I need X1032A or X6540A? Why? What is differential SCSI?
I'm taking a shot in the dark here but that is my best guess at a
workstation. And this is from my own wallet, not some big
corporation with deep pockets. I'm willing to invest in my future
with Java and Solaris but I want my workstation my way!Your thoughts?
Michael Zumpano
Dennis Clarke wrote in message <36BC305C...@sympatico.ca>...
logan...@yahoo.com
"Michael Zumpano" <mike.z...@ChampUSA.COM> wrote:
> I suggested you buy an Ultra1 or an Ultra10 (if you could stand IDE), =
> but it sounds like you made a very solid choice for a platform. You =
> also avoided the cross-platform incompatibility that can sometimes occur =
> when compiling on an Ultra. Make sure you get the lastest firmware, and =
> get on top of the patches for the OS. If you or your wife has a friend =
> who can get into Access1 on Sun's site you can get these.
Going to http://www.sun.com/developer/ will allow individuals to get a
free copy of Solaris 7; there are only 2 recommended patches for Solaris,
and these can be download for free from the SunSolve at
http://sunsolve.Sun.COM/sunsolve/us/pubpatches/patches.html
(In other words, I'm recommending a re-install if it doesn't already
have Solaris 7 installed.)
- Logan
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Doug McLaren
Dennis Clarke <dcl...@interlog.com> wrote:
| Much to the surprise of my wife I came stumbling in the door looking
| like a 20 inch Sun monitor with two legs under it and cables flying for
| arms. Behind that came a friend with a ( familiar to me ) pizza box
| computer that says SPARCstation 20 on it.
|
| wife unit : "What the hell is that?"
| me : " cumputer?"
| wife : "does it run unix?" - note: my wife is a java programmer ...
| me : "on both cpu's, yep, you bet"
| wife : long drawn out 'ooooo' with a rising inflection -
Damn! All the good ones are taken! My fiance gets pissed at me when
I bring (more) computers home ...
| ss20 twin 60MHz cpus
| twin 4.2G Sun SCSI drives
| 128 Meg RAM - TGX Graphics - 20 inch Sun monitor and
| type 5c keyboard - optical mouse - mouse pad -
| external scsi cdrom - toshiba XM-3401TA in a Sun UniPack?
|
| The whole mess was about $5500.00 CDN = $ 3600.00 US
| but $2000 was two Sun 4.2G drives
| and $700 was 128Meg Ram
| and $375 each for the cpu modules
| and $250 for the TGX card
| and $1000 for the ss20 box empty
| and $1000 for the 20" Sun monitor
| and $200 for the external scsi cd but thats a loaner
That seems awfully expensive, especially for the hard drives (if you
look in the right places, SCA drives cost LESS than comparable UW
drives, probably just because the PC users need an adapter to use
them, and I just bought a pair of new 9gb UW IBM drives for $360 US
each (Onsale still occasionally has good deals)) and the monitor
(again, because the PC users typically can't use fixed frequency
monitors. But maybe things are just different in Canada, dunno.
Still, I have a similar box (SS20, less disk, more ram, faster cpus,
etc) and I'm quite happy with it.
--
Doug McLaren, dou...@frenzy.com
Unsolicited email of a commercial or advertising nature is not welcomed.
Dennis Clarke
Dennis Clarke
ps: This has been a fun ride but I think that I'll be happy with the ss20, at least until I get the twin 150MHz cpus! : )
I think I can put four cpus in a ss20 with dual cpu modules? I think?
logan...@yahoo.com wrote:
In article <79huci$n66$1...@news.ncal.verio.com>,
"Michael Zumpano" <mike.z...@ChampUSA.COM> wrote:
> I suggested you buy an Ultra1 or an Ultra10 (if you could stand IDE), =
> but it sounds like you made a very solid choice for a platform. You =
> also avoided the cross-platform incompatibility that can sometimes occur =
> when compiling on an Ultra. Make sure you get the lastest firmware, and =
> get on top of the patches for the OS. If you or your wife has a friend =
> who can get into Access1 on Sun's site you can get these.
Going to http://www.sun.com/developer/ will allow individuals to get a
Dennis Clarke
> Damn! All the good ones are taken! My fiance gets pissed at me when
> I bring (more) computers home ...
yep - she is pretty funny at times. We have ethernet cable running through
the living room and MicroSoft hates us both. I have NT running on one
workstation. Linux on an old 486 that REFUSES to die despite abiuse by any
number of people and one cat. Solaris runs on three machines ... two dual
pentiums and now the SS20 .
> That seems awfully expensive, especially for the hard drives (if you
> look in the right places, SCA drives cost LESS than comparable UW
> drives, probably just because the PC users need an adapter to use
> them, and I just bought a pair of new 9gb UW IBM drives for $360 US
> each (Onsale still occasionally has good deals)) and the monitor
> (again, because the PC users typically can't use fixed frequency
> monitors. But maybe things are just different in Canada, dunno.
A bitch of an exchange rate for one thing. 1.00 US = 1.52 CDN.
Even so I think you are right. What pisses me off even more is that I have a
SeaGate Barracude ST34572W sitting here as a paper weight and I wonder if it
could go into the ss20. dunno ?
> Still, I have a similar box (SS20, less disk, more ram, faster cpus,
> etc) and I'm quite happy with it.
I wanted more ram but my wallet screamed at me and ran under a chair for dear
life!
> --
> Doug McLaren, dou...@frenzy.com
> Unsolicited email of a commercial or advertising nature is not welcomed.
Dennis Clarke
dcl...@interlog.com
cla...@prucan.com
arn...@netscape.net
number and you wont have any trouble.
Aaron Finley
In article <79huci$n66$1...@news.ncal.verio.com>,
"Michael Zumpano" <mike.z...@ChampUSA.COM> wrote:
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> I suggested you buy an Ultra1 or an Ultra10 (if you could stand IDE), =
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> also avoided the cross-platform incompatibility that can sometimes occur =
> when compiling on an Ultra. Make sure you get the lastest firmware, and =
> get on top of the patches for the OS. If you or your wife has a friend =
> who can get into Access1 on Sun's site you can get these.
>
> mike.z...@ChampUSA.COM
>
> Dennis Clarke wrote in message <36BC305C...@sympatico.ca>...
> =20
> Much to the surprise of my wife I came stumbling in the door looking =
> like a 20 inch Sun monitor with two legs under it and cables flying for =
> arms. Behind that came a friend with a ( familiar to me ) pizza box =
> computer that says SPARCstation 20 on it.=20
> wife unit : "What the hell is that?"=20
> me : " cumputer?"=20
> wife : "does it run unix?" - note: my wife is a java programmer =
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> me : "on both cpu's, yep, you bet"=20
> wife : long drawn out 'ooooo' with a rising inflection -=20
> cat jumps off couch - looks at disembodied floating =
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> me : "let's make room in the computer room ... this is my =
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> at this last statement my NT workstation blue =
> screens and lets out a little whine from its scsi drive ....=20
>
> OK - so here is what I actually brought home from a company called =
> LiveWire in Toronto Canada that sells refurbished Sun stuff :=20
>
> ss20 twin 60MHz cpus=20
> twin 4.2G Sun SCSI drives=20
> 128 Meg RAM - TGX Graphics - 20 inch Sun monitor and=20
> type 5c keyboard - optical mouse - mouse pad -=20
> external scsi cdrom - toshiba XM-3401TA in a Sun UniPack?=20
> =20
> The whole mess was about $5500.00 CDN =3D $ 3600.00 US=20
> but $2000 was two Sun 4.2G drives=20
> and $700 was 128Meg Ram=20
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> and $1000 for the 20" Sun monitor=20
> and $200 for the external scsi cd but thats a loaner=20
> =20
>
> Dennis Clarke=20
>
> ps: I'll never cross-post across that many groups again but I am =
> getting a lot of traffic on this. Thank to everyone. I don't need an =
> ultraSparc chip to be happy with sun hardware - at least for now.=20
>
> Dennis Clarke wrote:=20
>
> I have been thinking about a Sun WorkStation for home for some =
> time now.=20
> I think that the Ultra 5 is a perfect fit for my needs/wallet =
> but I am swimming in=20
> part numbers and possible configurations. Here are my thoughts, =
> so, please=20
> have a look at this and tell me if I am in the ball park :=20
> For performance and long term use without further upgrade:=20
> Part # UGSS2UHC1A9PB256CP - Upgrade from SLC, ELC, IPC,=20
> 1/1+, SPARCclassic, LX, IPX, or SPARCstation 2=20
> Sun Ultra 5 System, 333-MHz, 256-MB, 2-MB Level-II =
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> 9-GB disk, 1.44-MB floppy, 32X CD, PGX24 Graphics,=20
> 100-Mb Ethernet, N. Amer. Country Kit, Solaris 7=20
> Price Unknown!=20
>
> Part # G-XDSK010A-4G=20
> Sun StorEdge UniPack 4.2GB, 7200rpm hard drive=20
> Price : CD 1410.00=20
>
> Part # X6540A [ do I need this ? ]=20
> Dual-Channel Single-Ended UltraSCSI Host Adapter, PCI =
> for the Ultra=20
> Enterprise 450, ships with 2 external ultra scsi 2m =
> cables.=20
> Price : CD 1305.00=20
>
> Part # X1032A [ do I this instead ? ]=20
> 10/100BaseT F/W UltraSCSI PCI Adapter 1.0=20
> Price : CD 1730.00=20
>
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> 19-inch color monitor 0.27mm dot pitch shadow mask, =
> 1280x1024 @ 76Hz,=20
> WW agency compliance, 1.8m detachable HD-15 pin video =
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> 10-language user's guide.=20
> Price : CD 1110.00=20
>
> Part # X470A [ do I need this? ]=20
> 13W3F to HD15M Video Adapter Cable=20
> Price : CD 70.00=20
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> Now, the reason for the SCSI adapters and unipack is that the =
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>
> Do I need X1032A or X6540A? Why? What is differential SCSI?=20
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> I'm taking a shot in the dark here but that is my best guess at =
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> <P>For performance and long term use without further upgrade:=20
> <BR><TT>Part # UGSS2UHC1A9PB256CP - Upgrade from SLC, ELC, =
>
> IPC,</TT> <BR><TT> =
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> <BR><TT> 9-GB disk, =
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> <BR><TT> 100-Mb =
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> Amer. Country Kit, Solaris 7</TT>=20
> =
> <BR><TT>  =
> ;=20
> Price Unknown!</TT>=20
> <P><TT>Part # G-XDSK010A-4G</TT>=20
> <BR><TT> Sun StorEdge =
> UniPack=20
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> <BR><TT> Price : CD=20
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> <BR><TT> 10-language =
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>
> Yea verily ... my ss20 just rebooted with Solaris 7 on it and I'm
> about to get the patches from sunsolve. I intend on mirroring the 4.2
> Gig drives so I'll get patches for Solstice DiskSuite as well. I am
> going to set up a UFS logging filesystem on opt and usr and then test
> to see if all works well with my old copy of DiskSuite.
That old copy of Disksuite isn't likely to work. Solaris 7 needs
Disksuite 4.2.
>
> Dennis Clarke
>
> ps: This has been a fun ride but I think that I'll be happy with the
> ss20, at least until I get the twin 150MHz cpus! : )
>
> I think I can put four cpus in a ss20 with dual cpu modules? I think?
Works fine... Might get a bit warm, and the Mbus tends to saturate. I
don't think Sun made any dual CPU modules faster than 50Mhz. Ross made
dual HyperSPARC modules with much higher clock rates, and they don't
overlap the Sbus slots.
Cheers,
Rob
Sam C. Nicholson !!
>
> Did you know that they don't check the number? Go ahead a register--make up a
> number and you wont have any trouble.
>
> Aaron Finley
>
Sigh.
But that would be wrong.
I can't say that it's really worth it ( little over $800 per year,
software only),
And I can't say that I really approve of charging to fix stuff that has
already been
paid for. Nevertheless...
Sun makes the really important patches available for free anyway.
-sam
Dennis Clarke
Solaris 7 at all on a SS20 ..
Dennis Clarke
Philip Brown wrote:
> On Sun, 07 Feb 1999 06:09:17 GMT, logan...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> >Going to http://www.sun.com/developer/ will allow individuals to get a
> >free copy of Solaris 7; there are only 2 recommended patches for Solaris,
> >and these can be download for free from the SunSolve at
> >
> > http://sunsolve.Sun.COM/sunsolve/us/pubpatches/patches.html
>
> thanks for posting the link. Unfortunately, there is a very important patch,
> that sun has not yet made a recommended patch. (I've filed a complaint about
> it. more complaints would help)
> The patch number is
>
> 106788-02 (for sparc)
>
> It fixes a bad memory leak in the "mibiisa" process that is started by
> default.
> If you don't want to use SNMP monitoring, then you should disable it on
> your solaris 7 boxes, if you can't get the patch.
>
> (disable the /etc/init.d/init.snmpdx script, by putting "exit" in there
> before any other commands)
>
> --
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Philip Brown
Lon Stowell
>The patch number is
>
>106788-02 (for sparc)
>
>It fixes a bad memory leak in the "mibiisa" process that is started by
>default.
That process is part of the free snmp daemons first bundled
with Solaris 2.6.
If you don't need it, just go to /etc/rc3.d and change the
capital "S" in the snmpdx [and dmi] startup scripts.
If you really need snmp, would advise at least using the
free SEA 1.0.3 or higher.
--if not a different agen.
>
>(disable the /etc/init.d/init.snmpdx script, by putting "exit" in there
> before any other commands)
Seems a bit obfuscatedly complicated as opposed to just
renaming the rc3.d script[s].....
singap...@hotmail.com
> | ss20 twin 60MHz cpus
> | twin 4.2G Sun SCSI drives
> | 128 Meg RAM - TGX Graphics - 20 inch Sun monitor and
> | type 5c keyboard - optical mouse - mouse pad -
> | external scsi cdrom - toshiba XM-3401TA in a Sun UniPack?
> |
> | The whole mess was about $5500.00 CDN = $ 3600.00 US
Well, for those folks who are still looking for a workstation,
it is possible to build your own UltraSparc workstation
for less than US$3000. I'm in the process of building one with:
* Sun AXi motherboard with 300MHz UltraSpaec IIi module
* 128MB Memoryx ram
* ATI 3D Charger with 4MB Ram
* Pioneer 32X CD Rom
* Keyboard/Mouse
* ATX casing
* SoundBlaster PCI128 & amplified speakers/subwoofer
* floppy drive
As I was able to reuse a spare monitor & 2 SCSI drives, the
cost for me so far is less than US$2000.
For someone who need to buy these as well, the total cost
would still have been well below US$3000.
I still have some minor problems to solve, but with some useful
advise from my "web-buddies", the system is finally coming
together.......
dande...@csi.com
I am new to this stuff... I am currently running on a Pentium 233MMX with
Solaris7.
This may be a VERY naive question - but... Can one "put together" a TOTALLY
compatible Sun UltraSPARC system at reasonable prices (ie: at a significant
savings over buying the "pre-built" Sun model.)
I deduce from below that you buy a Sun motherboard (is it the same as in the
actual Sun UltraSPARCs?) then you add memory (is it Sparc-specific ... I am
VERY Intel PC-building savvy, but don't know squat about this...). Next you
list the video card, SB & CD ROM, sounds like a "regular" PC-brands. And
finally Case,Mouse,Keyboards,Monitor... so what Needs to be "Sun Arch" if
there is such a thing? What can be (or should NOT be Intel-Arch and still be
good performance...)
Finally, if this is the case (and COMPATIBILITY is NOT a problem...) where
can I look to find the parts easiest, is there a mail/web-order place that is
best to look at for the Sun-Specific parts (the PC stuff, I would know how to
get...)
Thank you any who can answer this...
Dan
In article <7a046j$3d4$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
singap...@hotmail.com wrote:
<snip>
logan...@yahoo.com
dande...@csi.com wrote:
> This may be a VERY naive question - but... Can one "put together" a TOTALLY
> compatible Sun UltraSPARC system at reasonable prices (ie: at a significant
> savings over buying the "pre-built" Sun model.)
What does "totally" compatible mean? :-) It will presumably have some
different device drivers, but it should work and run regular SPARC
software.
> Next you
> list the video card, SB & CD ROM, sounds like a "regular" PC-brands.
There is a list of PCI cards known to work with UltraSPARC PCI systems
here: http://www.sun.com/io_technologies/pci/pci.cards.ihv.html .
You can also see a list of Sun PCI cards you can buy here:
http://www.sun.com/io_technologies/pci/pci.cards.sun.html .
In particular, I remember some discussion on this list with respect
to video cards. Seems you can't just plug in any old PCI video card
and have it work because (1) there may not be a driver, and (2) it
might very well have ROMs on it that have x86 code in them, which
isn't going to do you any good. And you're going to have a hard time
booting up the system without a working video card.
Well, that's about all I know. I'm sure others can provide more
details.
- Logan
Wen-Jaw Jonah Tsai
dande...@csi.com wrote:
> Hey "S-G" and fellow readers,
>
> I am new to this stuff... I am currently running on a Pentium 233MMX with
> Solaris7.
>
> This may be a VERY naive question - but... Can one "put together" a TOTALLY
> compatible Sun UltraSPARC system at reasonable prices (ie: at a significant
> savings over buying the "pre-built" Sun model.)
Yes, you can save USD$500 and up. You pocket the costs for the assembly, trouble
shooting, risks associated and warranty. If you consider building it is fun, and
the result is your pride and joy, nothing beats it.
I was kind of wondering why SS20 while reading through this thread.
> I deduce from below that you buy a Sun motherboard (is it the same as in the
> actual Sun UltraSPARCs?) then you add memory (is it Sparc-specific ... I am
> VERY Intel PC-building savvy, but don't know squat about this...). Next you
> list the video card, SB & CD ROM, sounds like a "regular" PC-brands. And
> finally Case,Mouse,Keyboards,Monitor... so what Needs to be "Sun Arch" if
> there is such a thing? What can be (or should NOT be Intel-Arch and still be
> good performance...)
Hmmmm.... kind of like that.
Read AXi's OEM manaual at
http://www.sun.com/microelectronics/SPARCengineUltraAXi/docs/805-3158.pdf
Find Sun tested 3rd parties hardware at:
http://www.sun.com/microelectronics/ihv/AXi_ihvprod.html
> Finally, if this is the case (and COMPATIBILITY is NOT a problem...) where
> can I look to find the parts easiest, is there a mail/web-order place that is
> best to look at for the Sun-Specific parts (the PC stuff, I would know how to
> get...)
That is exactly the case (and compatibility is really not a problem... :).
If it says Sun-specific, usually costs more, don't they? The point is - you get
the usual cheapo PC stuff that work with AXi.
If you really want names, Bell Microproducts(www.bellmicros.com) and NuHorizons
(www.nuhorizons.com) will probably be the guys you want to talk to. They are the
Sun Authorized distributors last time I looked, you will probably end up buying
AXi board from them anyway. Unless you're big, Sun won't sell the board directly
to you, don't bother, I tried.
Jonah Tsai
Mathew Kirsch
> This may be a VERY naive question - but... Can one "put together" a
TOTALLY
> compatible Sun UltraSPARC system at reasonable prices (ie: at a
significant
> savings over buying the "pre-built" Sun model.)
Not normally.
Unlike the PC world where there are literally thousands of manufacturers
out there trying to gain a toehold in the market, the Sun market is held
by a very select few. So, instead of paying "wholesale" prices for the
parts, you pay "replacement parts" prices for the parts. This is a case
of the sum of the parts being greater than the whole. This is especially
true if you're assembling an older model Sun from various parts. You can
buy a complete Classic for $300 or less, but you'd probably spend
$500-600 assembling the parts.
It's getting tougher and tougher to build a PC cheaper than you can buy
a complete one these days too...
> I deduce from below that you buy a Sun motherboard (is it the same as in the
> actual Sun UltraSPARCs?) then you add memory (is it Sparc-specific ... I am
> VERY Intel PC-building savvy, but don't know squat about this...). Next you
> list the video card, SB & CD ROM, sounds like a "regular" PC-brands. And
> finally Case,Mouse,Keyboards,Monitor... so what Needs to be "Sun Arch" if
> there is such a thing? What can be (or should NOT be Intel-Arch and still be
> good performance...)
The Ultra AX(i, ii, iii?) motherboards are standard ATX form factor with
PCI slots. SCSI, audio, etc is already built in. All you normally need
is a PCI video card, of which I believe your choices are relatively
limited. I think you need a Sun-style keyboard and mouse.
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Achim Gratz
> The Ultra AX(i, ii, iii?) motherboards are standard ATX form factor with
> PCI slots. SCSI, audio, etc is already built in. All you normally need
> is a PCI video card, of which I believe your choices are relatively
> limited. I think you need a Sun-style keyboard and mouse.
Ultra AXi. And no, audio is not built in - and unless you find that
only Ensoniq card that is supported, you have no audio at all.
Achim Gratz.
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Paul Repacholi
> >
> > Damn! All the good ones are taken! My fiance gets pissed at me when
> > I bring (more) computers home ...
>
> yep - she is pretty funny at times. We have ethernet cable running through
> the living room and MicroSoft hates us both. I have NT running on one
> workstation. Linux on an old 486 that REFUSES to die despite abiuse by any
> number of people and one cat. Solaris runs on three machines ... two dual
> pentiums and now the SS20 .
Heh, hehe... Try bringing a KL-10E home :|
I was given 4 free IPCs the other day, and came
away with 6. Could not fit any more in the car!
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Rob Schulhof
I built my own AXi from a used motherboard that I bought from
MemoryX ( www.memoryx.com). The most important thing to remember is
to buy a SUN-approved case. Not all ATX cases will work, and there is
a back panel cover for the RS232, serial, keyboard that does not fit
all cases. I had do a little metal working to make it fit... Also
make sure your case has good airflow over the CPU and the rest of the
motherboard. I wasn't too impressed with the performance of the 300MHZ
board. Maybe it's the 0.5MB L2 cache. Go for the 333 or the 360.
All I can say is that it was a PITA and when I was done, my ViewSonic
monitor was not compatible. Anybody want to buy mine?...Just kidding.
Really though, after all of the extra SUM-approved parts that I needed
and my time must be worth something, I think I would buy a nice pre-built
from one of the AXi VARs.
My $1.25