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Thunor Sif Ese

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Aug 19, 2009, 9:33:58 AM8/19/09
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Hi

I'm not sure that this has been done before -- I couldn't find an HTML
version -- but I've decided to transcribe the freely downloadable PDF of
Toni Baker's Mastering Machine Code on Your ZX81 or ZX80 to HTML, fixing
spelling mistakes and errors and providing downloadable versions of
the [BASIC] listings.

http://www.thunor.org.uk/mmcoyzx81/

I'm currently up to Chapter 5 and am expecting to complete it by the end
of September 2009.

Regards,
Thunor

Andrew Halliwell

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Aug 19, 2009, 9:43:23 AM8/19/09
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Thunor Sif Ese <thun...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hi
>
> I'm not sure that this has been done before -- I couldn't find an HTML
> version -- but I've decided to transcribe the freely downloadable PDF of
> Toni Baker's Mastering Machine Code on Your ZX81 or ZX80 to HTML, fixing
> spelling mistakes and errors and providing downloadable versions of
> the [BASIC] listings.

Have you asked permission?
He might even be able to supply a HTML version if he has the original files.

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GzavSnap

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Aug 19, 2009, 10:50:04 AM8/19/09
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| > Hi
| > I'm not sure that this has been done before -- I couldn't find an HTML
| > version -- but I've decided to transcribe the freely downloadable PDF of
| > Toni Baker's Mastering Machine Code on Your ZX81 or ZX80 to HTML, fixing
| > spelling mistakes and errors and providing downloadable versions of
| > the [BASIC] listings.
| Have you asked permission?

Just ask him !!!
If anybody can help you to get an Email ...

| He might even be able to supply a HTML version if he has the original
files.

It will be wonderfull !!!
But, most of programs in this book shold be typed-in.
Otherwise, you can use the Vb81 XuR text converter with ZX81 basic codes,
or/and ZxToken with Zx80 and Zx81.

Let me (us) know.
Have Fun.

Thunor Sif Ese

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Aug 19, 2009, 10:47:18 AM8/19/09
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Andrew Halliwell wrote:
> Thunor Sif Ese <thun...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> I'm not sure that this has been done before -- I couldn't find an HTML
>> version -- but I've decided to transcribe the freely downloadable PDF of
>> Toni Baker's Mastering Machine Code on Your ZX81 or ZX80 to HTML, fixing
>> spelling mistakes and errors and providing downloadable versions of
>> the [BASIC] listings.
>
> Have you asked permission?
> He might even be able to supply a HTML version if he has the original files.
>

The PDF which is freely downloadable from
http://www.worldofspectrum.org/infoseekid.cgi?id=2000236 (I do not know
if worldofspectrum have permission for this; I will email them) is a
collection of images i.e. each page is scanned, and the pages look like
they were created by piecing together material from a type-writer and
free-hand drawings.

I have not searched extensively, but I have not found contact details
yet for Toni Baker (the author) or Reston Publishing Company Virginia.

At the moment I am transcribing this whilst I read and learn from it
myself so that the book is more suitable for reading on [my] portable
devices, but I would like other people to be able to benefit too if
possible. My intention is to transcribe it anyway and deal with the
legality of it whilst doing so, or when it's complete.

Regards,
Thunor

Matt Rudge

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Aug 19, 2009, 11:00:04 AM8/19/09
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On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 14:43:23 +0100, Andrew Halliwell wibbled:

> Thunor Sif Ese <thun...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> I'm not sure that this has been done before -- I couldn't find an HTML
>> version -- but I've decided to transcribe the freely downloadable PDF
>> of Toni Baker's Mastering Machine Code on Your ZX81 or ZX80 to HTML,
>

> Have you asked permission?
> He might even be able to supply a HTML version if he has the original
> files.

Isn't (or wasn't) Toni Baker a "she" not "he"? :)

Matt
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Andrew Halliwell

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Aug 19, 2009, 12:14:53 PM8/19/09
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Matt Rudge <mru...@googleswebmailservice.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 14:43:23 +0100, Andrew Halliwell wibbled:
>
>> Thunor Sif Ese <thun...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> I'm not sure that this has been done before -- I couldn't find an HTML
>>> version -- but I've decided to transcribe the freely downloadable PDF
>>> of Toni Baker's Mastering Machine Code on Your ZX81 or ZX80 to HTML,
>>
>> Have you asked permission?
>> He might even be able to supply a HTML version if he has the original
>> files.
>
> Isn't (or wasn't) Toni Baker a "she" not "he"? :)

I have noooo idea, never heard of him/her/it.
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Lister

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Aug 19, 2009, 1:48:11 PM8/19/09
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On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 17:14:53 +0100, Andrew Halliwell
<spi...@ponder.sky.com> wrote:

>Matt Rudge <mru...@googleswebmailservice.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 14:43:23 +0100, Andrew Halliwell wibbled:
>>
>>> Thunor Sif Ese <thun...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure that this has been done before -- I couldn't find an HTML
>>>> version -- but I've decided to transcribe the freely downloadable PDF
>>>> of Toni Baker's Mastering Machine Code on Your ZX81 or ZX80 to HTML,
>>>
>>> Have you asked permission?
>>> He might even be able to supply a HTML version if he has the original
>>> files.
>>
>> Isn't (or wasn't) Toni Baker a "she" not "he"? :)
>
>I have noooo idea, never heard of him/her/it.


Hey Mikey :)


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Lister

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Aug 19, 2009, 1:49:53 PM8/19/09
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On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 17:14:53 +0100, Andrew Halliwell
<spi...@ponder.sky.com> wrote:

>Matt Rudge <mru...@googleswebmailservice.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 14:43:23 +0100, Andrew Halliwell wibbled:
>>
>>> Thunor Sif Ese <thun...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure that this has been done before -- I couldn't find an HTML
>>>> version -- but I've decided to transcribe the freely downloadable PDF
>>>> of Toni Baker's Mastering Machine Code on Your ZX81 or ZX80 to HTML,
>>>
>>> Have you asked permission?
>>> He might even be able to supply a HTML version if he has the original
>>> files.
>>
>> Isn't (or wasn't) Toni Baker a "she" not "he"? :)
>
>I have noooo idea, never heard of him/her/it.

Duh. Baker, not Basil

Thunor Sif Ese

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Aug 19, 2009, 2:26:55 PM8/19/09
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Matt Rudge wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 14:43:23 +0100, Andrew Halliwell wibbled:
>
>> Thunor Sif Ese <thun...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> I'm not sure that this has been done before -- I couldn't find an HTML
>>> version -- but I've decided to transcribe the freely downloadable PDF
>>> of Toni Baker's Mastering Machine Code on Your ZX81 or ZX80 to HTML,
>> Have you asked permission?
>> He might even be able to supply a HTML version if he has the original
>> files.
>
> Isn't (or wasn't) Toni Baker a "she" not "he"? :)
>
> Matt

Toni Baker is a she. Tim Hartnell says "she" in the foreword.

Rich Mellor

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Aug 19, 2009, 5:05:24 PM8/19/09
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Hi - this is interesting - would you like to post on the ZX80 / ZX81
forums - http://www.rwapservices.co.uk/ZX80_ZX81/forums/ as some of the
users on there may have contact with Toni Baker

Rich
www.rwapsoftware.co.uk

Brian Gaff

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Aug 20, 2009, 2:44:40 AM8/20/09
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Who? He was a she and I did not think she was still with us.
Brian

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Matthew Westcott

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Aug 20, 2009, 8:02:45 AM8/20/09
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Brian Gaff wrote:
[re: Toni Baker]

> Who? He was a she and I did not think she was still with us.

I don't remember hearing any reports of her death, and there's no
obituary on WOS. You might be thinking of Tim Hartnell, who died in 1991.

Duncan Snowden

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Aug 20, 2009, 1:09:15 PM8/20/09
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Andrew Halliwell wrote:

> I have noooo idea, never heard of him/her/it.

And you call yourself a Spec-chum?[1] Tsk.

[1] Well, no, generally you probably don't.[2] But you know what I mean.

[2] �Hello. Come here often? I'm a Spec-chum. Hey, where are you going?
Come back!�

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Andrew Halliwell

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Aug 20, 2009, 1:43:28 PM8/20/09
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Duncan Snowden <d...@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
> Andrew Halliwell wrote:
>
>> I have noooo idea, never heard of him/her/it.
>
> And you call yourself a Spec-chum?[1] Tsk.
>
> [1] Well, no, generally you probably don't.[2] But you know what I mean.
>
> [2] ???Hello. Come here often? I'm a Spec-chum. Hey, where are you going?
> Come back!???
>
:)
Well, if she worked in collaboration with Hartnell, I'm not surprised I've
not heard of her. I saw some of his programs early in the 80s and decided
"Ick".
:)

I have no idea why he became such a successful writer.

Thunor Sif Ese

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Oct 10, 2009, 7:16:04 PM10/10/09
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Well I've finally completed my PDF to HTML transcription of this book
and I've learnt how to write ZX81 machine code programs. I now wish I
could go back to the 80s to write ZXTetris/ZXLemmings/ZXWorms etc. so
that I'd be writing this from my yacht in Monaco.

Tomorrow (or today it is now) I'm going to create a downloadable package
for offline reading, and announce it across Sinclair related websites.

For now, you might like to take a look at this, especially if you've
read the book -> http://www.thunor.org.uk/mmcoyzx81/appendix08.html

Regards,
Thunor

Darrell Stec

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Oct 11, 2009, 4:30:30 PM10/11/09
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Thunor Sif Ese inscribed forevermore utilizing silicon chips::

> Well I've finally completed my PDF to HTML transcription of this book
> and I've learnt how to write ZX81 machine code programs. I now wish I
> could go back to the 80s to write ZXTetris/ZXLemmings/ZXWorms etc. so
> that I'd be writing this from my yacht in Monaco.
>

You should start right now on the program for a time machine so you go back,
program, collect your money and live happily ever after on your yacht in
the near future. You should not waste time (nor should you waste gravity).

> Tomorrow (or today it is now) I'm going to create a downloadable package
> for offline reading, and announce it across Sinclair related websites.
>
> For now, you might like to take a look at this, especially if you've
> read the book -> http://www.thunor.org.uk/mmcoyzx81/appendix08.html
>
> Regards,
> Thunor

--
Later,
Darrell

Daniel Mandic

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Oct 22, 2009, 5:49:41 PM10/22/09
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Thunor Sif Ese wrote:

> Well I've finally completed my PDF to HTML transcription of this book
> and I've learnt how to write ZX81 machine code programs. I now wish I
> could go back to the 80s to write ZXTetris/ZXLemmings/ZXWorms etc. so
> that I'd be writing this from my yacht in Monaco.

Do you have rolos there, too?

Nevermind, thanks for the ROTFLMAO, I nearly died...

> For now, you might like to take a look at this, especially if you've
> read the book -> http://www.thunor.org.uk/mmcoyzx81/appendix08.html

Thanks!

> Regards,
> Thunor

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M.O.B. i L.

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Apr 3, 2010, 10:47:52 AM4/3/10
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I think it's great! I've had this book in printed form since it came out
and I read almost all of it way back then.

I wonder if you have an errata for the book so that I could put in the
corrections in the actual book.

It's still useful to know Z80 assembly since there are TI-82 STATS,
TI-83, TI-83 Plus and TI-84 Plus graphing calculators that uses it.

Perhaps one should make a rewrite of this book for the TI-84 Plus
(probably the best selling Z80-computer today). I like the hand assembly
method the book presents.

Thunor Sif Ese

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Apr 3, 2010, 2:57:25 PM4/3/10
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M.O.B. i L. wrote:
> I think it's great! I've had this book in printed form since it came out
> and I read almost all of it way back then.
>
> I wonder if you have an errata for the book so that I could put in the
> corrections in the actual book.
>
> It's still useful to know Z80 assembly since there are TI-82 STATS,
> TI-83, TI-83 Plus and TI-84 Plus graphing calculators that uses it.
>
> Perhaps one should make a rewrite of this book for the TI-84 Plus
> (probably the best selling Z80-computer today). I like the hand assembly
> method the book presents.

Hi

I can tell you the format of my modifications and then you can identify
them, but I haven't listed them all.

If there's an error then it'll be applied with strike-through and my
corrections will be inside square brackets [like this]. The exception to
this is within listings whereby I apply strike-through to the entire
erroneous line and then add my corrected line underneath not in square
brackets.

Apart from strike-through within listings being easily identifiable, you
could also use "View Page Source" from within your browser and search
for "<del>".

I recommend you read
http://www.users.waitrose.com/~thunor/mmcoyzx81/chapter09.html#addendum too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TI-84_Plus_series - looks nice :) About £80
Sterling though :(

Regards,
Thunor

Chupo

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Apr 8, 2010, 2:44:43 PM4/8/10
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In article <hp7kfd$7l8$1...@news.eternal-september.org>, M.O.B. i L.
<mik...@df.lth.se> says...

> It's still useful to know Z80 assembly since there are TI-82 STATS,
> TI-83, TI-83 Plus and TI-84 Plus graphing calculators that uses it.
>
> Perhaps one should make a rewrite of this book for the TI-84 Plus
> (probably the best selling Z80-computer today). I like the hand assembly
> method the book presents.
>

Now that I've heard (from you) about TI-84+ Silver Edition I plan to
buy one, thanks for the info. In the meantime I've downloaded Virtual
TI-83 Silver Edition emulator:

http://www.ticalc.org/basics/calculators/ti-83plus-se.html

and tried a few game apps:

http://www.ticalc.org/pub/83plus/flash/games/rate.html

I am looking for a forum where I could ask about running the .asm files

http://www.ticalc.org/pub/83plus/asm/

in emulator. Do you by any chance know if that is possible at all?
--
Chupo

M.O.B. i L.

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Apr 16, 2010, 6:43:29 PM4/16/10
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I used a different emulator: tilem-0.975
<http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/412/41292.html>. It is
possible to load flash-apps in that by right clicking on it and
selecting "Load file..." from the menu. It was a bit buggy to load the
apps but it worked. If the app doesn't appear in APPS menu after loading
it you could try resetting or restarting the emulator. You could also
try deleting the app (it might be corrupt if it was halfway loaded).

I used the TI-83 Plus and ROM from TI-83 Plus Flash Debugger (TI:s
official development environment -- which is free to download and use).

I tested two apps from TI in TILEM: periodic.8xk & scitools.8xk.

Loading of apps in the real TI-83 Plus and TI-84 Plus have always worked
for me without problems.

One can type in simple asm-programs using hex and run them directly.

I bought a used TI-83 Plus on an auction site. I have also borrowed a
TI-84 Plus. Unfortunately I have not yet had time to test serious
assembly programming on them. One can also write programs in C.

Chupo

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Apr 16, 2010, 7:19:34 PM4/16/10
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In article <hqap6l$i5m$1...@news.eternal-september.org>, M.O.B. i L.
<mik...@df.lth.se> says...

> I used a different emulator: tilem-0.975
> <http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/412/41292.html>. It is
> possible to load flash-apps in that by right clicking on it and
> selecting "Load file..." from the menu. It was a bit buggy to load the
> apps but it worked. If the app doesn't appear in APPS menu after loading
> it you could try resetting or restarting the emulator. You could also
> try deleting the app (it might be corrupt if it was halfway loaded).
>

Thanks for the info, I'll try that one too.

> I used the TI-83 Plus and ROM from TI-83 Plus Flash Debugger (TI:s
> official development environment -- which is free to download and use).
>

Is that TI83Plus_OS.8Xu file? I tried to use it but it freezes the
emulator. As soon as I put it into the emulator's folder and run the
emulator I can only see the calculator but there is nothing on the
display so I have to close the program.

> I tested two apps from TI in TILEM: periodic.8xk & scitools.8xk.
>
> Loading of apps in the real TI-83 Plus and TI-84 Plus have always worked
> for me without problems.
>
> One can type in simple asm-programs using hex and run them directly.
>
> I bought a used TI-83 Plus on an auction site. I have also borrowed a
> TI-84 Plus. Unfortunately I have not yet had time to test serious
> assembly programming on them. One can also write programs in C.
>

So, .asm files work only with the real TI?
--
Chupo

M.O.B. i L.

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Chupo wrote:
> In article <hqap6l$i5m$1...@news.eternal-september.org>, M.O.B. i L.
> <mik...@df.lth.se> says...
>> I used a different emulator: tilem-0.975
>> <http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/412/41292.html>. It is
>> possible to load flash-apps in that by right clicking on it and
>> selecting "Load file..." from the menu. It was a bit buggy to load the
>> apps but it worked. If the app doesn't appear in APPS menu after loading
>> it you could try resetting or restarting the emulator. You could also
>> try deleting the app (it might be corrupt if it was halfway loaded).
>>
>
> Thanks for the info, I'll try that one too.
>
>> I used the TI-83 Plus and ROM from TI-83 Plus Flash Debugger (TI:s
>> official development environment -- which is free to download and use).
>>
>
> Is that TI83Plus_OS.8Xu file? I tried to use it but it freezes the
> emulator. As soon as I put it into the emulator's folder and run the
> emulator I can only see the calculator but there is nothing on the
> display so I have to close the program.

No, it's included in TI-83 Plus Flash Debugger: TI83Plus.clc.

>> I tested two apps from TI in TILEM: periodic.8xk & scitools.8xk.
>>
>> Loading of apps in the real TI-83 Plus and TI-84 Plus have always worked
>> for me without problems.
>>
>> One can type in simple asm-programs using hex and run them directly.
>>
>> I bought a used TI-83 Plus on an auction site. I have also borrowed a
>> TI-84 Plus. Unfortunately I have not yet had time to test serious
>> assembly programming on them. One can also write programs in C.
>>
>
> So, .asm files work only with the real TI?

What do you mean with asm-files? Are these files containing Z80-assembly
source code. The TI-8X (without extra utilities) can only run programs
in machine code written in hex-codes in TI-BASIC-files or Flash-apps.
You need an assembler or hand assemble your programs. You can run
machine code programs in the emulator, see
<http://tibasicdev.wikidot.com/asmprgm> and
<http://tibasicdev.wikidot.com/asm-command>.

There is an Z80-assembler that runs on TI-83 Plus/TI-84 Plus but I have
not tried it yet:
<http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/403/40304.html>.
(I found it by searching ticalc.org file archives for "assembler".)

Chupo

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Apr 17, 2010, 7:57:18 AM4/17/10
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In article <hqbphr$g9d$1...@news.eternal-september.org>, M.O.B. i L.
<mik...@df.lth.se> says...

> > Is that TI83Plus_OS.8Xu file? I tried to use it but it freezes the
> > emulator. As soon as I put it into the emulator's folder and run the
> > emulator I can only see the calculator but there is nothing on the
> > display so I have to close the program.
>
> No, it's included in TI-83 Plus Flash Debugger: TI83Plus.clc.
>


This is the ROM that freezes the emulator:

http://tinyurl.com/2e9hzd

I've found it under the link to the 'Official upgrades'. Seems it works
with the real TI only :-/


> >> I tested two apps from TI in TILEM: periodic.8xk & scitools.8xk.
> >>
> >> Loading of apps in the real TI-83 Plus and TI-84 Plus have always worked
> >> for me without problems.
> >>
> >> One can type in simple asm-programs using hex and run them directly.
> >>
> >> I bought a used TI-83 Plus on an auction site. I have also borrowed a
> >> TI-84 Plus. Unfortunately I have not yet had time to test serious
> >> assembly programming on them. One can also write programs in C.
> >>
> >
> > So, .asm files work only with the real TI?
>
> What do you mean with asm-files? Are these files containing Z80-assembly
> source code.

I was reffering to files I mentioned in my first post:

<start copy/paste>


I am looking for a forum where I could ask about running the .asm files

http://www.ticalc.org/pub/83plus/asm/
<end copy/paste>

Inside archives are sources + some .8xp or .8xg or .83P files and I
thought these are compiled programs but emulator can load only .8xk,
.app and .hex files so I don't know how to run any of the programs from
'asm' section.

> The TI-8X (without extra utilities) can only run programs
> in machine code written in hex-codes in TI-BASIC-files or Flash-apps.
> You need an assembler or hand assemble your programs. You can run
> machine code programs in the emulator, see
> <http://tibasicdev.wikidot.com/asmprgm> and
> <http://tibasicdev.wikidot.com/asm-command>.
>
> There is an Z80-assembler that runs on TI-83 Plus/TI-84 Plus but I have
> not tried it yet:
> <http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/403/40304.html>.
> (I found it by searching ticalc.org file archives for "assembler".)
>

The same problem as with other 'asm' programs - how do I load it into
the emulator? There is only one app inside the archive that I could
run, it is xLIB.8xk, all other extensions are .8xg.

Readme says: 'Send ASSEMBLE.8xg and DEFFILES.8xg to your calc.', is it
possible that the only option is to send the files into the REAL
device?? or am I missing something?

My goal was to first (before buying a real calc) try to make some m/c
routines to test it with the emulator but then I realized I can't run
even other's routines :-))
--
Chupo

M.O.B. i L.

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Chupo wrote:
> In article <hqbphr$g9d$1...@news.eternal-september.org>, M.O.B. i L.
> <mik...@df.lth.se> says...
>>> Is that TI83Plus_OS.8Xu file? I tried to use it but it freezes the
>>> emulator. As soon as I put it into the emulator's folder and run the
>>> emulator I can only see the calculator but there is nothing on the
>>> display so I have to close the program.
>> No, it's included in TI-83 Plus Flash Debugger: TI83Plus.clc.
>>
>
>
> This is the ROM that freezes the emulator:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2e9hzd
>
> I've found it under the link to the 'Official upgrades'. Seems it works
> with the real TI only :-/

That file probably only works with real TI:s but there are the ROM-file
I mentioned in:
<http://education.ti.com/educationportal/downloadcenter/SoftwareDetail.do?website=US&tabId=1&appId=177>.
If you install it and then search for clc-files you should find them.

Then you move them into TILEM according to the instructions in the TILEM
readme-file.

>>>> I tested two apps from TI in TILEM: periodic.8xk & scitools.8xk.
>>>>
>>>> Loading of apps in the real TI-83 Plus and TI-84 Plus have always worked
>>>> for me without problems.
>>>>
>>>> One can type in simple asm-programs using hex and run them directly.
>>>>
>>>> I bought a used TI-83 Plus on an auction site. I have also borrowed a
>>>> TI-84 Plus. Unfortunately I have not yet had time to test serious
>>>> assembly programming on them. One can also write programs in C.
>>>>
>>> So, .asm files work only with the real TI?
>> What do you mean with asm-files? Are these files containing Z80-assembly
>> source code.
>
> I was reffering to files I mentioned in my first post:
>
> <start copy/paste>
> I am looking for a forum where I could ask about running the .asm files
>
> http://www.ticalc.org/pub/83plus/asm/
> <end copy/paste>
>
> Inside archives are sources + some .8xp or .8xg or .83P files and I
> thought these are compiled programs but emulator can load only .8xk,
> .app and .hex files so I don't know how to run any of the programs from
> 'asm' section.

Which emulator are you talking about, VTI or TILEM? I only use TILEM.
TILEM can load 8xp-files and probably all types the real TI-83 Plus
supports. I just tested to save an asm-program I entered manually using
hex: invtxt.8xp. Then I deleted it from the emulated calculator,
restarted the calculator, checked that it was empty and reloded it. One
saves programs using the LINK-menu.

>> The TI-8X (without extra utilities) can only run programs
>> in machine code written in hex-codes in TI-BASIC-files or Flash-apps.
>> You need an assembler or hand assemble your programs. You can run
>> machine code programs in the emulator, see
>> <http://tibasicdev.wikidot.com/asmprgm> and
>> <http://tibasicdev.wikidot.com/asm-command>.
>>
>> There is an Z80-assembler that runs on TI-83 Plus/TI-84 Plus but I have
>> not tried it yet:
>> <http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/403/40304.html>.
>> (I found it by searching ticalc.org file archives for "assembler".)
>>
>
> The same problem as with other 'asm' programs - how do I load it into
> the emulator? There is only one app inside the archive that I could
> run, it is xLIB.8xk, all other extensions are .8xg.
>
> Readme says: 'Send ASSEMBLE.8xg and DEFFILES.8xg to your calc.', is it
> possible that the only option is to send the files into the REAL
> device?? or am I missing something?
>
> My goal was to first (before buying a real calc) try to make some m/c
> routines to test it with the emulator but then I realized I can't run
> even other's routines :-))

Right click in TILEM to load files.

Chupo

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In article <hqceas$u76$1...@news.eternal-september.org>, M.O.B. i L.
<mik...@df.lth.se> says...

> > I've found it under the link to the 'Official upgrades'. Seems it works
> > with the real TI only :-/
>
> That file probably only works with real TI:s

Do you maybe know why is that so (what is the difference between the
real device and the emulated environments)?

>
> Which emulator are you talking about, VTI or TILEM? I only use TILEM.
>

I still have to try TILEM, the only emulator I have at the moment is

http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/261/26120.html

Sorry for the delay, I'll be back as soon as I try TILEM.
--
Chupo

M.O.B. i L.

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Chupo wrote:
> In article <hqceas$u76$1...@news.eternal-september.org>, M.O.B. i L.
> <mik...@df.lth.se> says...
>>> I've found it under the link to the 'Official upgrades'. Seems it works
>>> with the real TI only :-/
>> That file probably only works with real TI:s
>
> Do you maybe know why is that so (what is the difference between the
> real device and the emulated environments)?

I believe it is some copy protection that is removed by the
TI-Connectivity software. There are ways to extract the ROM from your
own calculator, e.g.
<http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100105161825AAkGuJH>. You
may not legally distribute these extracted ROM:s and I can't find any on
the Internet.

>> Which emulator are you talking about, VTI or TILEM? I only use TILEM.
>>
>
> I still have to try TILEM, the only emulator I have at the moment is
>
> http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/261/26120.html
>
> Sorry for the delay, I'll be back as soon as I try TILEM.

I used VTI in 2003 and run it on Red Hat Linux using Wine. If you look
at the review from 2005 you see the reviewer had exactly the same
problem as you: "The only problem I found was you can't connect with a
link or load any other kind of file than Apps. I can't load programs on
to use/test them." This works in TILEM in Windows. Even though TILEM is
originally made for Linux I have not got it to work there yet.

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