What was your favourite joystick?
jwa...@cableinet.co.uk
I just wondered what everone's favourite jysticks were when they played
(play?) speccy games on an original speccy. I would have to opt for the
Quickjoy range, although I did have a soft spot for the micro blaster.
One thing's certain though. Cheetah joysticks are pants.
LTo...@iclretail.icl.com
jwatret wrote :
NONE! They're all pants! Invention of satan, bloody things.... >-(
Keys beat joystick for Speccy games every time. I had four joysticks,
three of which came free and one which I bought for the Atari ST. The
free ones (Quickshot 1 (eeeeurgh!), Quickshot 2 Turbo and one of those
little Konix thingies) were all suitably awful and made the games utterly
uncontrollable. The joystick for the ST was a Competition Pro 5000 and
was remarkably good for playing ST games, but sucked big time whenever I
plugged it into the old Kempston interface.
Face it, if the Speccy and Joysticks were meant to go together, the
Speccy would have had a built-in joystick interface! ;-)
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A fair while ago <343189...@cableinet.co.uk>,
jwa...@cableinet.co.uk said something along the lines of
>I just wondered what everone's favourite jysticks were when they played
>(play?) speccy games on an original speccy. I would have to opt for the
>Quickjoy range, although I did have a soft spot for the micro blaster.
>
>One thing's certain though. Cheetah joysticks are pants.
the sinclair keys (67890). After that, I couldn't use joysticks again.
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On Wed, 01 Oct 1997 02:33:23 -0600, LTo...@iclretail.icl.com wrote:
>jwatret wrote :
>>I just wondered what everone's favourite jysticks were when they played
>>(play?) speccy games on an original speccy. I would have to opt for the
>>Quickjoy range, although I did have a soft spot for the micro blaster.
>>
>>One thing's certain though. Cheetah joysticks are pants.
>
>NONE! They're all pants! Invention of satan, bloody things.... >-(
>
.SNIP
Nope Satan didn't invent the joystick he was to busy making the IBM PC
or working for MS.
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In article <875690...@dejanews.com>, LTo...@iclretail.icl.com wrote:
>jwatret wrote :
>>I just wondered what everone's favourite jysticks were when they played
>>(play?) speccy games on an original speccy.
>NONE! They're all pants! Invention of satan, bloody things.... >-(
>Keys beat joystick for Speccy games every time.
I must admit though, I used to play Atic Atac with a joystick because
I couldn't stand the keys (and wasn't enough of a gamer to do the
'67890' thing or the cursor-key thing).
And for things like Daley Thompson's decathlon it was probably better to
ruin a cheap joystick than pound the keyboard.
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Ian Collier wrote:
>
> In article <875690...@dejanews.com>, LTo...@iclretail.icl.com wrote:
> >jwatret wrote :
> >>I just wondered what everone's favourite jysticks were when they played
> >>(play?) speccy games on an original speccy.
> And for things like Daley Thompson's decathlon it was probably better to
> ruin a cheap joystick than pound the keyboard.
I had one of those Competition Pro 5000(?) ones. They were
*indestructable*.
The rubber keyboard was still the best though :)
Andy
I.R.Bickerstaffe
jwa...@cableinet.co.uk wrote:
: I just wondered what everone's favourite jysticks were when they played
: Quickjoy range, although I did have a soft spot for the micro blaster.
Definitely the Kempston Competition Pro 5000, 14 years on and still
going strong despite having been subjected to Decathlon, Hypersports et
al on the spectrum plus also having seen service attached to a C64, an
ST, a Plus 4, an Amiga and a BBC over the years.
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Jake Warren
So I presume I'm not the only person who, when playing games on a PC,
will define the keys as Q,A,O,P and space?!
Jake Warren
Sussex, UK
In article i...@comlab.ox.ac.uk, i...@ecs.ox.ac.uk (Ian Collier) writes:
>In article <875690...@dejanews.com>, LTo...@iclretail.icl.com wrote:
>>jwatret wrote :
>>>I just wondered what everone's favourite jysticks were when they played
>>>(play?) speccy games on an original speccy.
>
>>NONE! They're all pants! Invention of satan, bloody things.... >-(
>
>>Keys beat joystick for Speccy games every time.
>
>I must admit though, I used to play Atic Atac with a joystick because
>I couldn't stand the keys (and wasn't enough of a gamer to do the
>'67890' thing or the cursor-key thing).
>
>And for things like Daley Thompson's decathlon it was probably better to
>ruin a cheap joystick than pound the keyboard.
Graham Goring
Quoth the Raven in article <11986-C...@comlab.ox.ac.uk>, Ian
Collier <i...@ecs.ox.ac.uk> writes
>I must admit though, I used to play Atic Atac with a joystick because
>I couldn't stand the keys (and wasn't enough of a gamer to do the
>'67890' thing or the cursor-key thing).
I find that 67890 are as easy as pie, but using the cursor equivalents?
Ugh! Feels wierd, can't do it.
Graham
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I.R.Bickerstaffe <cd...@ssa.bris.ac.uk> wrote in article
> going strong despite having been subjected to Decathlon, Hypersports et
> al on the spectrum plus also having seen service attached to a C64, an
> ST, a Plus 4, an Amiga and a BBC over the years.
>
My favourite too, though mine fell gradually fell apart over the years.
I've never managed to find one, at least one similarly designed, for the
PC. I laugh at you Quickshot owners.
TC
Andrew Cadley <A.P.C...@uea.ac.uk> wrote in article
> I had one of those Competition Pro 5000(?) ones. They were
> *indestructable*.
>
As I said before, mine fell apart. Partly fault as I kept taking it apart
to mess about with the metal prongs that contacted as one moved the stick
about. Also, mine gave me a large blister on my palm from DT's Decathlon -
I found I could get real speed that way. Looking back, I hope no one
thought that I had a self-abuse problem.
Damien Burke
On Wed, 01 Oct 1997 00:22:11 +0100, jwa...@cableinet.co.uk
wrote:
>I just wondered what everone's favourite jysticks were when they played
>(play?) speccy games on an original speccy. I would have to opt for the
>Quickjoy range, although I did have a soft spot for the micro blaster.
>
>One thing's certain though. Cheetah joysticks are pants.
I had an assortment to start with, Cheetah 125, another 125,
another 125, then I thought - hmm... and bought something that
didn't fall apart in a month - a Quickshit. Er, shot. Lasted
about a week. Then onto one of those Konix ones that fit in your
hand, lasted for aaaages, but very painful to use after about an
hour or so :( Finally ended up with a ZipStik, which survived so
well I used it on my ST and still have it now, in fully working
condition, despite much waggling games!
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jwa...@cableinet.co.uk schreef in artikel
<343189...@cableinet.co.uk>...
> I just wondered what everone's favourite jysticks were when they played
> (play?) speccy games on an original speccy. I would have to opt for the
> Quickjoy range, although I did have a soft spot for the micro blaster.
>
> One thing's certain though. Cheetah joysticks are pants.
>
The Arcade made by STC in Rotterdam, bought in seccond hand 10 years ago
and it still works, used on my Spectrums, Amiga and now (5 years already)
on the Sam Coupe.
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Nick Honeywell
In article <343189...@cableinet.co.uk>, jwa...@cableinet.co.uk
writes
>I just wondered what everone's favourite jysticks were when they played
>(play?) speccy games on an original speccy.
Well, I always liked that handheld jobby. Konix Speedking, Kempson
Speedking. Something like that anyway. OTOH, I absolutely hated the
'Championship 5000' joysticks, they were so insufferably crap with next-
to-no travel whatsoever when moving the stick.
Uuugh. Even thinking about 'em makes me shudder.
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LTo...@iclretail.icl.com
Graham Goring wrote :
>I find that 67890 are as easy as pie, but using the cursor equivalents?
>Ugh! Feels wierd, can't do it.
I found I was (and still am!) just as proficient with 5678 and 0 as I was
with 6789 and 0 (and, indeed, 1234 and 5). In fact, I slightly prefer
cursor keys over Sinclair joystick keys.... QAOP and M every time if you
could redefine, though! Even on PC games! You should see the despair on
the average Doom/Quake deathmatch-partner's face when I twot him for the
umpteenth time 'cos he's trying to do all his direction keys with a
single hand.... Ho ho ho! :-D
LTo...@iclretail.icl.com
Nick Honeywell wrote :
>Well, I always liked that handheld jobby. Konix Speedking, Kempson
>Speedking. Something like that anyway. OTOH, I absolutely hated the
>'Championship 5000' joysticks, they were so insufferably crap with next-
>to-no travel whatsoever when moving the stick.
>
>Uuugh. Even thinking about 'em makes me shudder.
Bizarre - I was the complete opposite! Any joystick with more than a
millimetre worth of travel felt completely unusable to me - take the
bloody awful Quickshot and Cheetah thingies for a start. Competition Pros
were the best of the lot 'cos they had a fairly short shaft (oo-er, etc.)
and not much travel, hence a nice responsive stick instead of having to
move your arm halfway across the room to go in any particular direction.
I had two (they weren't indestructable, my first one fell apart after
about three years!) and my only complaint was that the little non-slip
pads on the bottom fell off mine and the raised sections where the pads
used to sit were quick rough on your hands and caused blisters if you
played for too long. The second one is, incidentally, still in perfect
working order. Can you still buy 'em these days? They were about fourteen
quid last time I got one.....
You know, if you didn't know what we were talking about this conversation
could sound remarkably dodgy.... :-)
Martin Kopanske
On 1 Oct 1997 22:19:24 GMT, "Robert van der Veeke" <rjvv...@caiw.nl>
wrote:
>
>
>jwa...@cableinet.co.uk schreef in artikel
><343189...@cableinet.co.uk>...
>> I just wondered what everone's favourite jysticks were when they played
>> (play?) speccy games on an original speccy. I would have to opt for the
>> Quickjoy range, although I did have a soft spot for the micro blaster.
>>
>> One thing's certain though. Cheetah joysticks are pants.
>>
>The Arcade made by STC in Rotterdam, bought in seccond hand 10 years ago
>and it still works, used on my Spectrums, Amiga and now (5 years already)
>on the Sam Coupe.
A friend of mine build me a Joystick by himself.
It was the best Joystick i ever had.
Martin
Alan Moore
jwa...@cableinet.co.uk wrote:
>
> I just wondered what everone's favourite jysticks were when they played
> (play?) speccy games on an original speccy. I would have to opt for the
> Quickjoy range, although I did have a soft spot for the micro blaster.
>
> One thing's certain though. Cheetah joysticks are pants.
it was superb. Perfect for Daley's Decathlon (110m hurdles in 7 seconds
or something by shaking the base and using 0 on the keyboard for fire
which of course you couldn't do on the Kempston interface) perfect for
footie games (could turn better than Cruyff).
Got mine in 1984, and it still works today, because it's
simple enough to fix if it breaks. Microswitches? I don't think so.
The lid of a bean tin would have done.
In fact, the direction movement never broke. It was the fire buttons
that went, but someone's Cheetah wouldn't go left any more so I nicked
the internal fire button bits and I was off again.
Mind you, the problem with shaking the bases of joysticks is that you
end up with one arm stronger than the other, and then people think
you've been...
Alan
P.S.: Apart from arcade-type joysticks, I've still to find a better
joystick than my Quickshot II. I suppose with all this calibration
bollocks it's not possible to attach an old joystick to the PC.
Or is it?
Kian Spongsveen
I think the Kempston joystick was great. Loved the black finish and
the short travel movement. For those of you who like joystick that
move about a lot; have you ever tried a *real* flight joystick? They
don't move at all, they just sense which direction you push...
I must agree, though, that the fire buttons on the Kempston had
unconfortable edges. They would rub against the hand moving the stick,
and after a couple of hours of Flight Simulator, it would hurt badly!
I found one curios piece of hardware to be one of the strangest thing
I have ever seen sold as a computer part: a gadget that would stick to
the "cabinet" of the Speccy with a suction pad. It had a small stick
pointing up, and when you moved it little levers inside the box would
push the "6789"-keys for you!!! (Sold as "the £1 joystick" or
something)
The worst part of it all; they are back!! Now they are shaped to fit
on the 'standard' IBM PC cursor keys...
Sold my Kempston when I switched from Spectrum to QL. Sometimes I wish
I had kept it. Guess it's just nostalgia, but I really liked playing
games with that joystick. Today's games aren't as much fun, I still
play games using Spectrum emulators and miss my Kempston.
Kian Spongsveen
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Mat Simpson
TC <muds...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I.R.Bickerstaffe <cd...@ssa.bris.ac.uk> wrote in article
> > Definitely the Kempston Competition Pro 5000
>
> My favourite too, though mine fell gradually fell apart over the years.
> I've never managed to find one, at least one similarly designed, for the
> PC. I laugh at you Quickshot owners.
I have seen a PC version - I'm not sure of the name, but it's blue with
white buttons. They dont do a mac version though <grizzle>
toodle pip
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Mat Simpson
<jwa...@cableinet.co.uk> wrote:
> I just wondered what everone's favourite jysticks were when they played
> (play?) speccy games on an original speccy. I would have to opt for the
> Quickjoy range, although I did have a soft spot for the micro blaster.
I would never class myself as a heavy duty gamesplayer, Im more of a 10
stone weakling, but other joysticks would just disintegrated in my
hands. I snaped a Quickshot in two, broke another in less of a week,
another went after a couple of months. Finally getting the message that
Quickshots were cheap for a reason, I got a Kempston Pro which I loved
until the right hand button stopped working
After all this nonsense, I splashed out on a Wico Competition 3 way Pro,
which for those of you that don't know it, was designed to withstand a
direct nuclear explosion with a solid steel shaft and heavy duty
buttons. It was hardly the most ergonomic joystick in the world, but it
was *very reliable.
Ooh.. I also had a HudsonSoft JoyPad which was a Nintendo style thing.
Not much cop, but at least it didnt explode when I touched it.
Did anyone ever have a Trickstick? That funny little pole thing that you
waggled about (I presume it contained mercury or something savoury like
that) They might deserve a mention on ARRGH - where they any good?
Andrew Cadley
Kian Spongsveen wrote:
>
> I found one curios piece of hardware to be one of the strangest thing
> I have ever seen sold as a computer part: a gadget that would stick to
> the "cabinet" of the Speccy with a suction pad. It had a small stick
> pointing up, and when you moved it little levers inside the box would
> push the "6789"-keys for you!!! (Sold as "the £1 joystick" or
> something)
Yeah, I'd seen these as well.
However I think the Crap Joystick Award should definately go to 'Le
Stick' (I think that's what it was called). Basically there was no base,
you just had to tilt it in the direction you wanted. My best mate had
one and it was impossible to use.
AndyC
Russ Juckes
mat....@nospam.demon.co.uk (Mat Simpson) wrote:
> I have seen a PC version - I'm not sure of the name, but it's blue with
> white buttons. They dont do a mac version though <grizzle>
I thought the blue & white PRo5000 version was for the BBC computer. When
Kempston produced their cheapy range, they were also blue & white, IIRC.
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In article <60tgu1$4...@newstoo.ericsson.se>, Jake Warren
<etl...@etlxdmx.ericsson.se> cheerily wrote:
>So I presume I'm not the only person who, when playing games on a PC,
>will define the keys as Q,A,O,P and space?!
QAOP IMHO is the best selection. ZXOK is alright but probably better for
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Marcus Durham (Mar...@zenn.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: In article <60tgu1$4...@newstoo.ericsson.se>, Jake Warren
: <etl...@etlxdmx.ericsson.se> cheerily wrote:
: >So I presume I'm not the only person who, when playing games on a PC,
: >will define the keys as Q,A,O,P and space?!
: [snip]
:
: QAOP IMHO is the best selection. ZXOK is alright but probably better for
: left handed people.
Nope... As a left handed person, QAOPM was always my fave as well....
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jwa...@cableinet.co.uk wrote:
> I just wondered what everone's favourite jysticks were when they played
> (play?) speccy games on an original speccy. I would have to opt for the
> Quickjoy range, although I did have a soft spot for the micro blaster.
Well, I had an original Pro5000, when it was distributed by Coin Controls -
before Kempston got hold of it. The leaf switches couldn't hold up to the
battering though, and I eventually got another Pro5000 - a fully
microswitched one, except for the fire buttons, which were still leafed.
Bah. So I opened it up, and wedged paper between the leafs, so the contact
gap was not much more than 1mm. Now that's what I call fast-action...
Klyfix
In article <3434CC...@uea.ac.uk>, Andrew Cadley <A.P.C...@uea.ac.uk>
writes:
>
>However I think the Crap Joystick Award should definitely go to 'Le
>Stick' (I think that's what it was called). Basically there was no base,
>you just had to tilt it in the direction you wanted. My best mate had
>one and it was impossible to use.
>
Oh yeah, that had mercury switches in the bottom, so when you moved
the whole unit the mercury shifted and made different contacts. Something
like that. It was _different_ at least.
The best stick (at least in the US) was the Slick Stik; a compact,
straightforward, tough little thing that could take a lot of punishment.
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Ian Collier
In article <1997100220...@arrgh.demon.co.uk>, mat....@nospam.demon.co.uk (Mat Simpson) wrote:
>After all this nonsense, I splashed out on a Wico Competition 3 way Pro,
>which for those of you that don't know it, was designed to withstand a
>direct nuclear explosion with a solid steel shaft and heavy duty
>buttons.
Do you see many explosions with steel shafts and heavy duty buttons, then?
>Did anyone ever have a Trickstick?
I was about to ask the same thing. The adverts claimed that it ran circles
around ordinary joysticks, but I don't know anyone who had one. I guess I
could find one of the ads if I looked really hard (then all I need to do is
go out and buy a scanner...).
Marcus Durham
In article <34363799.1472897@times>, Martin Kopanske <kopanske@media-
saturn.com> cheerily wrote:
[snip
>
>A friend of mine build me a Joystick by himself.
>It was the best Joystick i ever had.
>
work on a Speccy? I took a grey/black lead off an old joystick and
replaced the existing lead with it. It took two attempts (resulting in a
wrecked joypad) but I did it in the end. I only did it as I have loads
of those bloomin' joypads (because all my GX4000's are very prone to
breaking down!) and I needed something to play with(!). Shame I couldn't
get the second fire button working on the Speccy :-(
I liked those Cheetah "Bug" joysticks, but they only ever lasted about a
year. For some reason all my joysticks bust after a year. Apart from a
second hand Amstrad JY2 which frustrated me so much I snapped it in a
rage! The only digital joysticks I have these days are the Amstrad
joypads.
Oh, and how many "waggling" jokes can we get into this thread then :-)
Richard G. Hallas
In message <3434CC...@uea.ac.uk>
Andrew Cadley <A.P.C...@uea.ac.uk> wrote:
> Kian Spongsveen wrote:
> > I found one curios piece of hardware to be one of the strangest
> > thing I have ever seen sold as a computer part: a gadget that
> > would stick to the "cabinet" of the Speccy with a suction pad. It
> > had a small stick pointing up, and when you moved it little levers
> > inside the box would push the "6789"-keys for you!!! (Sold as "the
> > £1 joystick" or something)
>
> Yeah, I'd seen these as well.
>
> However I think the Crap Joystick Award should definately go to 'Le
> Stick' (I think that's what it was called). Basically there was no
> base, you just had to tilt it in the direction you wanted. My best
> mate had one and it was impossible to use.
<chuckle>
Yes, I remember seeing those. What a stupid idea.
I could never stand any kind of joysticks, personally, because they
were all so unresponsive. Give me the keyboard any day.
However, I did have a pair of analogue joysticks for my BBC Micro,
and they were absolutely terrible! They didn't centre themselves, so
it was incredibly difficult to stop moving!
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Jw> I just wondered what everone's favourite jysticks were when they
Jw> played (play?) speccy games on an original speccy. I would have to opt
Jw> for the Quickjoy range, although I did have a soft spot for the micro
Jw> blaster.
Most of the time I used keyboard (and everyone says speccy keyboard is crap,
I've yet to see a C64 user who prefers his keyboard to his joystick (fnar!))
but my all-time favorite was Competition Pro 5000. The best joystick I have
ever tested, seen, heard etc. It was just a simple stick with 2 buttons, very
much like those simple little coin'op sticks. Brilliant!
Jw> One thing's certain though. Cheetah joysticks are pants.
Never used them, but Cheetach tape deck sure was crap.
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JW> So I presume I'm not the only person who, when playing games on a PC,
JW> will define the keys as Q,A,O,P and space?!
Maybe not, but I presume I'm the only one who used QZIPSpace instead of
QAOPSpace.
Large hands? No, my hands are very little, but QAOPSpace somehow causes
clausthrofobia.
Mat Simpson
Ian Collier <i...@ecs.ox.ac.uk> wrote:
> In article mat....@nospam.demon.co.uk (Mat Simpson) wrote:
> >After all this nonsense, I splashed out on a Wico Competition 3 way Pro,
> >which for those of you that don't know it, was designed to withstand a
> >direct nuclear explosion with a solid steel shaft and heavy duty
> >buttons.
>
> Do you see many explosions with steel shafts and heavy duty buttons, then?
bloody oxbridge smartarses :). I left me grammar in front of the fire
doing her knitting
> >Did anyone ever have a Trickstick?
>
> I was about to ask the same thing. The adverts claimed that it ran circles
> around ordinary joysticks, but I don't know anyone who had one. I guess I
> could find one of the ads if I looked really hard (then all I need to do is
> go out and buy a scanner...).
I have an advert somewhere as well - and I have a scanner too. I just
wondered if they were any good.. I cant imagine that they worked very
well with most games..
Graham Goring
Quoth the Raven in article <8E0E001.00D6...@venture.fipnet.fi>,
PIZZA <pi...@venture.fipnet.fi> writes
> JW> So I presume I'm not the only person who, when playing games on a PC,
> JW> will define the keys as Q,A,O,P and space?!
>
>Maybe not, but I presume I'm the only one who used QZIPSpace instead of
>QAOPSpace.
>
>Large hands? No, my hands are very little, but QAOPSpace somehow causes
>clausthrofobia.
Sorry, but you're all deviants. The best keyboard combo is Q,Z,O,P and S
for fire. And perhaps SPACE for smartbomb etc.
mjci...@stud.umist.ac.uk
Jw> One thing's certain though. Cheetah joysticks are pants.
Hi all
My kempston interface has died so I'm stuck with a 125+ . It's got an
extra grey lead so I can plug it straight into a 128 speccy y'see.
Is it possible to get rid of the joystick and use the lead as an
adaptor?
Neil
ke...@rjfm2.demon.co.uk
On Wed, 01 Oct 1997 08:39:59 GMT, pa...@curved-logic.com (Paul A.
Hodgson) wrote:
>Nope Satan didn't invent the joystick he was to busy making the IBM PC
>or working for MS.
Nah...Satan made the Mac and cast an inferioty complex spell on Mac
users so they would keep on bugging PC users...
Rob.
Marcus Durham
In article <3436B8...@stud.umist.ac.uk>, mjci...@stud.umist.ac.uk
cheerily wrote:
[snip]
>My kempston interface has died so I'm stuck with a 125+ . It's got an
>extra grey lead so I can plug it straight into a 128 speccy y'see.
>Is it possible to get rid of the joystick and use the lead as an
>adaptor?
Hmm, if I ever found out that I could plug my Kempston interface into my
+3 then I would probably have to kill myself :-)
It took me hours to wire up that Amstrad joypad to work on the Speccy!
nr...@csc.canterbury.ac.nz
pi...@venture.fipnet.fi (PIZZA) writes:
> Most of the time I used keyboard (and everyone says speccy keyboard is crap,
> I've yet to see a C64 user who prefers his keyboard to his joystick (fnar!))
There was a very simple reason for this:
90% of c64 games were joystick only! (ie: no keyboard option.)
...and about 9 out of 10 of the remaining games were speccy-ports.
The thing I miss about PC's is decent digital-joysticks. (Time-Pilot
and Elevator-Action on MAME are just not the same without one.)
*sigh*
Nathan.
Andrew Cadley
Marcus Durham wrote:
>
> In article <34363799.1472897@times>, Martin Kopanske <kopanske@media-
> saturn.com> cheerily wrote:
> [snip
> >
> >A friend of mine build me a Joystick by himself.
> >It was the best Joystick i ever had.
> >
> Well can I be the only person who adapted an Amstrad GX4000 joypad to
> work on a Speccy? I took a grey/black lead off an old joystick and
> replaced the existing lead with it. It took two attempts (resulting in a
> wrecked joypad) but I did it in the end. I only did it as I have loads
> of those bloomin' joypads (because all my GX4000's are very prone to
> breaking down!) and I needed something to play with(!). Shame I couldn't
> get the second fire button working on the Speccy :-(
Nope, I had one too, though I just used my old joystick interface (much
less hassle).
I didn't think much of them though, the + pad really cut into your
fingers after a while. Especially in games where you had to walk almost
continously right (ala Robocop). Though a good game of Burnin' Rubber
did exactly the same.
As for the second fire button on the speccy, you *could* have wired them
up to act as them same button like most speccy joysticks. I always
thought it was a shame they never included a third fire button, which
the CPC could have supported. :-(
AndyC
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Space
>I liked those Cheetah "Bug" joysticks, but they only ever lasted about a
>year. For some reason all my joysticks bust after a year.
I loved the bug things, they were awesome for sensible soccer on the
a**ga plus you could use them with one hand so you could smoke at the
same time.......Always broke though. Mind you, so did quickshot 2's, i
got through loads of them. The only reliable joystick i found i can't
remember the name of. The had a red joystick with a knobbly bit on the
top and two nice fire buttons.
For speccying and the Daley Thompson doorstep challenge there could
only be one though....the old Atari 2600 sticks with the rubber taken
off. They could withstand years of waggling (ahem!).
Space
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@SUBJECT:Re: What was your favourite joystick?
> QAOP IMHO is the best selection. ZXOK is alright but probably better
> for left handed people.
Q,A,O,P,I,M,H,O :)
nr...@csc.canterbury.ac.nz
In article <34337A...@casuk.demon.co.uk>, Alan Moore <al...@casuk.demon.co.uk> writes:
>> I just wondered what everone's favourite jysticks were when they played
>> (play?) speccy games on an original speccy. I would have to opt for the
>> Quickjoy range, although I did have a soft spot for the micro blaster.
> The original Quickshot II. After a few years it was so loose that
> it was superb.
> Got mine in 1984, and it still works today, because it's
> simple enough to fix if it breaks. Microswitches? I don't think so.
> The lid of a bean tin would have done.
Hehehe.... so I'm not the -only- one who did this.
Works great, dunnit?
Nathan.
PS:
Then they ruined it by releasing the fully-microswitched version.
Took me ages to work out what to do with my bean-tin-lids after
that...
Simon Thornton
Space <spacem...@planetfreak.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Oct 1997 01:22:10 +0100, Marcus Durham
> <Mar...@zenn.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >I liked those Cheetah "Bug" joysticks, but they only ever lasted about a
> >year. For some reason all my joysticks bust after a year.
>
> I loved the bug things, they were awesome for sensible soccer on the
> a**ga plus you could use them with one hand so you could smoke at the
> same time.......Always broke though. Mind you, so did quickshot 2's, i
> got through loads of them.
Yeah, I had at least 5 of those break :-(
> The only reliable joystick i found i can't
> remember the name of. The had a red joystick with a knobbly bit on the
> top and two nice fire buttons.
Kempston Competition Pro 5000?
Simon.
Space
On Sun, 5 Oct 1997 23:23:55 +0100, si...@team-sp.org (Simon Thornton)
wrote:
>> The only reliable joystick i found i can't
>> remember the name of. The had a red joystick with a knobbly bit on the
>> top and two nice fire buttons.
>
>Kempston Competition Pro 5000?
>
>Simon.
Cheers, thats the one. What happened to those though? The first one i
had lasted from Speccy, ST through to my amiga, then when it died of
old age i got through about 3 more in a couple of months! The
construction seemed to be really cheap in the later ones. Wonder why?
Alf Fairweather
Atari Standard every time
Alf
Christopher Teahan
The message <199710052...@dialup2-53.pavilion.co.uk>
from si...@team-sp.org (Simon Thornton) contains these words:
> Space <spacem...@planetfreak.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, 3 Oct 1997 01:22:10 +0100, Marcus Durham
> > <Mar...@zenn.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > >I liked those Cheetah "Bug" joysticks, but they only ever lasted about a
> > >year. For some reason all my joysticks bust after a year.
> >
> > I loved the bug things, they were awesome for sensible soccer on the
> > a**ga plus you could use them with one hand so you could smoke at the
> > same time.......Always broke though. Mind you, so did quickshot 2's, i
> > got through loads of them.
> Yeah, I had at least 5 of those break :-(
> > The only reliable joystick i found i can't
> > remember the name of. The had a red joystick with a knobbly bit on the
> > top and two nice fire buttons.
> Kempston Competition Pro 5000?
> Simon.
Yeah, I had a couple of those bug joysticks in my Amiga days, The
best one I ever had was a Quickshot Arcade joystick, anyone remember
them they had a base that was about 30cm long and a diddy littl`
stick that was on the left hand side even though it was supposed to
by a right hadders joystick. I used it for about a year and after
that I counldn`t use a joystick with my right hand for ages.
Cybertim
GP
jwa...@cableinet.co.uk wrote:
> I just wondered what everone's favourite jysticks were when they
> played
> (play?) speccy games on an original speccy. I would have to opt for
> the
> Quickjoy range, although I did have a soft spot for the micro blaster.
>
> One thing's certain though. Cheetah joysticks are pants.
My top three:
1: Competition Pro 2000(Clear version): Lasted for years and was
easy to fix once it started to act a bit tonto.
2: The joysticks that came with the wood-paneled Atari. Sleek
black boxes that you could take the pastic bit off and use as a
convenient light-sabre holder(it looked like a bit of Darth Vader). I
think this still works, and you got two with the system so you could
always canibalise one for the other.
3: The Nintendo 64 controller: Probably not classed as a joystick
but I don't care, it's gorge.
Keyboard always comes up trumps though, the one good thing about the
PC is a return to some keyboard action(although it locks when I try to
play Bounces).
Darren Salt
In message <mk9yVBAW...@zenn.demon.co.uk>
Marcus Durham <Mar...@zenn.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <60tgu1$4...@newstoo.ericsson.se>, Jake Warren
> <etl...@etlxdmx.ericsson.se> cheerily wrote:
>> So I presume I'm not the only person who, when playing games on a PC, will
>> define the keys as Q,A,O,P and space?!
> [snip]
> QAOP IMHO is the best selection. ZXOK is alright but probably better for
> left handed people.
Both layouts (and variants) are, IME, fine for right-handed people such as
myself. I would therefore expect left-handed people also to have little
difficulty with them.
Right, in which thread am I next going to experience déjà vu...
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On Thu, 2 Oct 1997 20:30:43 +0100, mat....@nospam.demon.co.uk (Mat
Simpson) wrote:
>Did anyone ever have a Trickstick? That funny little pole thing that you
>waggled about (I presume it contained mercury or something savoury like
>that) They might deserve a mention on ARRGH - where they any good?
I never had the opportunity to try one of these, but I imagine durability
should be a problem. I suspect, however, that they would have been less
than optimum for games with a lot of fast back and forth movement, due to
the effects of momentum on the mercury in the switch capsules.
The best overall solution, IMO, is a surplus joystick intended for a
commercial arcade machine, mounted in a suitable base, as these have to be
built to take a beating, else the seller of the machine will have a lot of
arcade owners complaining about lost income due to the machine being down
for repair so much. I have seen these pop up from time to time in catalogs
from surplus electronics dealers here in the States, so I expect the same
is true for the UK.
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In message <eb6858d347%Ric...@hallas.demon.co.uk>
Richard G. Hallas <Ric...@hallas.demon.co.uk> wrote:
[snip]
> I could never stand any kind of joysticks, personally, because they were
> all so unresponsive. Give me the keyboard any day.
Agreed.
> However, I did have a pair of analogue joysticks for my BBC Micro, and they
> were absolutely terrible! They didn't centre themselves, so it was
> incredibly difficult to stop moving!
Hmm. Those Voltmace ones, where each controller has three identical fire
buttons? I can see one half of one such pair half-buried under a mountain of
old bits of paper. The other half can't be far away...
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In message <8E0F34E.00D6...@venture.fipnet.fi>
pi...@venture.fipnet.fi (PIZZA) wrote:
>> QAOP IMHO is the best selection. ZXOK is alright but probably better for
>> left handed people.
> Q,A,O,P,I,M,H,O :)
No, can't allow that. You've used O twice. ;-)
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Darren Salt wrote:
>
> > Q,A,O,P,I,M,H,O :)
>
> No, can't allow that. You've used O twice. ;-)
>
But, it'd be acceptable in HoH, since you *had* to have a jump and pick
up key.
Erm, except of course that your a few short.
AndyC
Barry Salter
On Tue, 7 Oct 1997 00:52:51 GMT, Darren Salt <arc...@spuddy.mew.com.uk>
wrote:
>>> So I presume I'm not the only person who, when playing games on a PC, will
>>> define the keys as Q,A,O,P and space?!
>
>> QAOP IMHO is the best selection. ZXOK is alright but probably better for
>> left handed people.
I prefer Q, A, N, M, Space myself ;) My brother, OTOH, prefers A, Z, N, M,
Space.
Cya,
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On Mon, 06 Oct 1997 20:36:03 +0100, GP <gp...@students.stir.ac.uk> wrote:
>jwa...@cableinet.co.uk wrote:
>
> My top two:
>
1. Quickshot II Turbo (the one with the red base). Lovely little
joystick and compatible with just about anything you cared to throw it at.
Speccy, C64, Amiga, Megadrive, Master System, anything else that uses a
Kempston Interface ;)
2. Microsoft Sidewinder. If you can afford one for your PC it's well
worth it because they're lovely and responsive and they've got about 16
fire buttons. ;)
Just my 4.2p's (+ VAT) worth. ;)
Andy Kavanagh
Darren Salt wrote:
> >> QAOP IMHO is the best selection. ZXOK is alright but probably better for
> >> left handed people.
>
> No, can't allow that. You've used O twice. ;-)
Did anyone ever redefine thier keys so that all the commands were the
same key? Many games let you do this, and so your character often ended
up having an epileptic fit. Or is it just be being sad _again_?
Incidently, O,R,G,Y was good on Cybernoid II.
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On 5 Oct 97 04:29:22 +1200, nr...@csc.canterbury.ac.nz wrote:
>The thing I miss about PC's is decent digital-joysticks. (Time-Pilot
>and Elevator-Action on MAME are just not the same without one.)
>*sigh*
The Gravis Gamepad works ok for me on both those games..
Rob.
ke...@rjfm2.demon.co.uk
>
> 2. Microsoft Sidewinder. If you can afford one for your PC it's well
>worth it because they're lovely and responsive and they've got about 16
>fire buttons. ;)
>
>Just my 4.2p's (+ VAT) worth. ;)
Still prefer the old Gravis Gampad for arcade games and emulated
Megadrive games...
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A fair while ago <8757792...@dejanews.com>,
LTo...@iclretail.icl.com said something along the lines of
>Graham Goring wrote :
>>I find that 67890 are as easy as pie, but using the cursor equivalents?
>>Ugh! Feels wierd, can't do it.
>
>I found I was (and still am!) just as proficient with 5678 and 0 as I was
>with 6789 and 0 (and, indeed, 1234 and 5). In fact, I slightly prefer
>cursor keys over Sinclair joystick keys.... QAOP and M every time if you
>could redefine, though! Even on PC games! You should see the despair on
>the average Doom/Quake deathmatch-partner's face when I twot him for the
>umpteenth time 'cos he's trying to do all his direction keys with a
>single hand.... Ho ho ho! :-D
>
I always use 67890 whenever possible for PC games but with Quake, I had
to use the mouse (because it does become a handful looking in all 3
dimensions!)
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In message <343CBF...@uea.ac.uk>
Andrew Cadley <A.P.C...@uea.ac.uk> wrote:
> Darren Salt wrote:
>>> Q,A,O,P,I,M,H,O :)
>> No, can't allow that. You've used O twice. ;-)
> But, it'd be acceptable in HoH, since you *had* to have a jump and pick up
> key.
Oh, er, yes, of course. But I'd still only list it once. :-)
> Erm, except of course that your a few short.
My a few short? ;-)
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Barry Salter wrote:
> >> QAOP IMHO is the best selection. ZXOK is alright but probably better for
> >> left handed people.
>
> Space.
I usually use PLZX space, and then Enter or Caps-shift for a second fire
button, if the game has one.
J.Smith
My fave joystick(s) have got to be:
1.Ram Delta
This joystick was made like a bus. The rapid fire was brilliant for Scuba
Kidz. Well, I used it on a C64, but that's not a problem I hope. ;-)
2.Powerplay Cruiser (coloured or the black one with 'malteser' buttons...
test it before you buy because one in five crumbles to bits).
This was a classic, due to the fact that you could twist it and make the
central shaft more easier to push or harder. So, great for waggling games
(easy) and for precision games (bubble bobble). The central setting was
only there, seemingly, so you could just twist it round and around when
bored silly.
Me & a friend bought, in all, 4 of these suckers. Several of the
microswitches broke, so we just cannibalised the suckers, using a
combination of sellotape and blu-tac to hold the 'snappy' bits in. Great
thing is, we rang Powerplay for a replacement part (the fire bar), and they
sent it free! No questions asked. Now that is a good company.
PS.Quickshots were awful. All of them. They really were shoddy. I vote
these 'most-hated', and burn all your Quickshots
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>Barry Salter wrote:
>> >> QAOP IMHO is the best selection. ZXOK is alright but probably =
better for
>> >> left handed people.
>>=20
>> I prefer Q, A, N, M, Space myself ;) My brother, OTOH, prefers A, Z, =
N, M,
>> Space.
>
>I usually use PLZX space, and then Enter or Caps-shift for a second fire
>button, if the game has one.
5,6,7,8 and 0! 9 as an extra fire key (like a bomb or something).
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> 5,6,7,8 and 0! 9 as an extra fire key (like a bomb or something).
You can't be serious!
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On Thu, 16 Oct 1997 18:15:51 GMT, I...@hate.spam.so.much.it.hurts.com
(Gilberto Gaudencio) wrote:
>On Thu, 16 Oct 1997 12:19:41 GMT, pse...@radiolink.net (Paulo S=E9rgio
>Coelho) wrote:
>
>> 5,6,7,8 and 0! 9 as an extra fire key (like a bomb or something).
>
>You can't be serious!
Oh yes, believe me! And if cursor keys weren't available, Sinclair 2
was the second choice, since it used the same keys, except positioned
differently. I hated QAOPM. Ok, hate is a too strong word, maybe QWERT
qualifies better for hate ;-)
>ESTE GAIJU NUM =C9 DU NUERTE, CARAGO!!!
Pois nao, sou do reino dos Algarves!
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pse...@radiolink.net (Paulo Sérgio Coelho) wrote:
> Oh yes, believe me! And if cursor keys weren't available, Sinclair 2
>was the second choice, since it used the same keys, except positioned
>differently. I hated QAOPM. Ok, hate is a too strong word, maybe QWERT
>qualifies better for hate ;-)
That's weird! How do you place your finger on such a layout? It
doesn't make sense. I'm glad most emulators make it easy to play games
that lack the standard "redefine keys" feature and force you to use
the ******* cursor keys instead.
>>ESTE GAIJU NUM É DU NUERTE, CARAGO!!!
>
> Pois nao, sou do reino dos Algarves!
Algarve. Now that's a word most brits can relate to. ;)
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On Fri, 17 Oct 1997 11:11:26 GMT, zi...@mail.telepac.nojunkmail.pt
(Gilberto Gaudencio) wrote:
>pse...@radiolink.net (Paulo S=E9rgio Coelho) wrote:
>
>> Oh yes, believe me! And if cursor keys weren't available, Sinclair 2
>>was the second choice, since it used the same keys, except positioned
>>differently. I hated QAOPM. Ok, hate is a too strong word, maybe QWERT
>>qualifies better for hate ;-)
>
>That's weird! How do you place your finger on such a layout? It
At the time (and still now) I have thin fingers, so putting them
together on the top of the keyboard was no problem. Now it is because
the PC keyboard is much bigger than a Spectrum/Timex's. Besides, there
are more keys around so it's harder to press the right ones without
looking first to the keyboard. On a Speccy, "0" has nothing, besides
atmosphere, to it's right...
>doesn't make sense. I'm glad most emulators make it easy to play games
Of course it makes sense! Many people chose cursor keys to play,
there were many games with that option (either that or Protek which
was the same).
>that lack the standard "redefine keys" feature and force you to use
>the ******* cursor keys instead.
PC's cursor keys are even niver: with one hand you can plan an entire
game! Unless you have to fire something or just change gear. To play
Indianapolis 500, that was no required.
>> Pois nao, sou do reino dos Algarves!
>
>Algarve. Now that's a word most brits can relate to. ;)
Yup! :-)
jol...@tetraworld.com
In article <34464ddc...@news.telepac.pt>,
pse...@radiolink.net wrote:
>
> On Wed, 15 Oct 1997 12:17:27 +0000, Andy Kavanagh
> <A.Kav...@uea.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> >Barry Salter wrote:
> >> >> QAOP IMHO is the best selection. ZXOK is alright but probably =
> 5,6,7,8 and 0! 9 as an extra fire key (like a bomb or something).
On the original Speccy it was definitely Q,A,O,P,M for me, using 1 as a
second fire button. But the PC keys seem closer together so I've shifted
to Q,Z,O,P,M now. -- Derek Jolly (jol...@tetraworld.com)
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Doug Ealey
I have always found that ZX KM & L are excellent, as they are
independant of the style of keyboard being used, and more usefully
in these days of emulators, keep your fingers away from those function keys!
Doug
G. Jones
>PS.Quickshots were awful. All of them. They really were shoddy. I vote
>these 'most-hated', and burn all your Quickshots
very very crap they were, I think everyone had at least one of them.
Who remembers the Spectravideo computer? kinda never took off.
I liked the competition pro, it never did break, I ended up taking
it to bits.
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