Sabrewulf music?
William Nolan
What is the music in the title screen of Sabrewulf? Some piece of
classical music that I can't name, and it's driving me crazy!!!
Help!
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William Nolan (wno...@andrew.cmu.edu) wrote:
> What is the music in the title screen of Sabrewulf? Some piece of
> classical music that I can't name, and it's driving me crazy!!!
All those broken triads? It is a piece of Das Wohltemperierte Clavier
by the old Bach, if I'm not mistaken. In fact it is not really an
exact copy; the original version has triads going up all the time, the
Sabre wulf version has a triad going down in every second bar.
Gerton.
Ruben Martinez
William Nolan wrote:
>
> What is the music in the title screen of Sabrewulf? Some piece of
> classical music that I can't name, and it's driving me crazy!!!
>
It's 'Ave Maria'. Not the hyperfamous version, another one. Can't
remember the composer offhand.
Ruben Martinez
>
> All those broken triads? It is a piece of Das Wohltemperierte Clavier
> by the old Bach, if I'm not mistaken. In fact it is not really an
> exact copy; the original version has triads going up all the time, the
> Sabre wulf version has a triad going down in every second bar.
>
> Gerton.
I don't think so, the one I recall (an 'ave maria') had also the
downwards triad going down in every second bar. In fact, it's the
very same sequence as in SW, except that it isn't a leading tune
but the accompaniment fill-in (the lead was a slow vocal melody).
Richard G. Hallas
In message <YlcDj_C00...@andrew.cmu.edu>
(Mon, 20 May 1996 19:10:02 -0400), William Nolan typed:
> What is the music in the title screen of Sabrewulf? Some piece of
> classical music that I can't name, and it's driving me crazy!!!
>
> Help!
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It's a somewhat mangled version of the Prelude in C major, number 1
of 48 Preludes and Fugues by J.S.Bach. The real thing's much better...
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Thomas Ahn Kolbeck Kj{r
Thus spake William Nolan <wno...@andrew.cmu.edu>:
>What is the music in the title screen of Sabrewulf? Some piece of
>classical music that I can't name, and it's driving me crazy!!!
What are you doing at the title screen? shouldn't you be playing? 8-)
/takk
Richard G. Hallas
> What is the music in the title screen of Sabrewulf? Some piece of
> classical music that I can't name, and it's driving me crazy!!!
>
> Help!
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> [~~~|/\|~~~] [~~~] [~~~]_ [~~~]_
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It's a somewhat mangled version of the Prelude in C major, number 1
Richard G. Hallas
In message <31A1F7...@rediris.es>
(Tue, 21 May 1996 19:02:54 +0200), Ruben Martinez typed:
Gerton is quite right. As I stated in a separate message, the piece
is a version of the Prelude no 1 from Bach's 48 Preludes and Fugues,
also known as the Well-Tempered Clavier. The arpeggios all go upwards
in the original.
You are not wrong in that there is a version of the piece, called
Ave Maria, which was arranged by Gounod, who wrote an additional
melody which he placed over the top of the Bach original. This is
generally referred to as the Bach/Gounod Ave Maria, and it's rather
undeservedly popular.
However, to the best of my knowledge the accompaniment is a straight,
unmodified copy of the Bach original. It doesn't use reversed
arpeggios as far as I can recall - though it's ages since I've
heard it. It may be that someone mangled it even further, I suppose.
Whatever... but the accompaniment isn't a 'fill-in' to an Ave Maria
melody; in fact, quite the reverse is true!
Why do people insist on 'improving' Bach pieces? They're as close
to perfection as music gets in the first place...
Hope that clears up the confusion anyway.
John Elliott
In article <19960522....@hallas.demon.co.uk>, Richard G. Hallas (Ric...@hallas.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: However, to the best of my knowledge the accompaniment is a straight,
: unmodified copy of the Bach original. It doesn't use reversed
: arpeggios as far as I can recall - though it's ages since I've
: heard it. It may be that someone mangled it even further, I suppose.
: Whatever... but the accompaniment isn't a 'fill-in' to an Ave Maria
: melody; in fact, quite the reverse is true!
In the April 1986 issue of Sinclair User (when the 128 came out) they had a
program to demonstrate the PLAY command - and that's the tune it played.
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Paul Squires
On 21 May 1996, Thomas Ahn Kolbeck Kj{r wrote:
> Thus spake William Nolan <wno...@andrew.cmu.edu>:
>
> >What is the music in the title screen of Sabrewulf? Some piece of
> >classical music that I can't name, and it's driving me crazy!!!
> What are you doing at the title screen? shouldn't you be playing? 8-)
Jeez, I'm so glad that there are others that appreciate this music! It's
one of my favourite pieces ever!!
Paul
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al...@easynet.co.uk
Ric...@hallas.demon.co.uk (Richard G. Hallas) wrote:
>It's a somewhat mangled version of the Prelude in C major, number 1
>of 48 Preludes and Fugues by J.S.Bach. The real thing's much better...
Show off! :)
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al...@easynet.co.uk wrote:
>Ric...@hallas.demon.co.uk (Richard G. Hallas) wrote:
>>It's a somewhat mangled version of the Prelude in C major, number 1
>>of 48 Preludes and Fugues by J.S.Bach. The real thing's much better...
>Show off! :)
Hahahaha! Nice. Now, I wonder what would Johan Seb. Bach do
if he were alive today:
1) Sue Ultimate
2) License his piece of work
3) Claw his fingers inside his coffin, gasping for air
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In article <4ob284$l...@imia.athens.acropolis.gr>, ..Wind.. <God> wrote:
>al...@easynet.co.uk wrote:
>
>>Ric...@hallas.demon.co.uk (Richard G. Hallas) wrote:
>
>>>It's a somewhat mangled version of the Prelude in C major, number 1
>>>of 48 Preludes and Fugues by J.S.Bach. The real thing's much better...
>
>>Show off! :)
>
>Hahahaha! Nice. Now, I wonder what would Johan Seb. Bach do
>if he were alive today:
>
>1) Sue Ultimate
>2) License his piece of work
>3) Claw his fingers inside his coffin, gasping for air
If JS Bach were alive today, and assuming he has copyright over all his
work (not even all, just a fraction even :)) then he'd be very very rich!
:)
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In article <4oc5k4$1...@osfa.aber.ac.uk>, gc...@aber.ac.uk (Gerald Yuen) wrote:
>If JS Bach were alive today, and assuming he has copyright over all his
>work (not even all, just a fraction even :)) then he'd be very very rich!
All he needs is for some government in Europe to extend copyright to 250
years and his estate would make a packet (since they have already gone a
step in that direction by moving from 50 to 70, which was completely
unwarranted...<rant deleted>).
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> Hahahaha! Nice. Now, I wonder what would Johan Seb. Bach do
> if he were alive today:
>
> 1) Sue Ultimate
> 2) License his piece of work
> 3) Claw his fingers inside his coffin, gasping for air
Ah, but the copyright would have run out by now. It's public domain,
surely? :-)
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Ian Collier
In article <847860...@jonlan.demon.co.uk>, st...@jonlan.demon.co.uk wrote:
>> Hahahaha! Nice. Now, I wonder what would Johan Seb. Bach do
>> if he were alive today:
>Ah, but the copyright would have run out by now. It's public domain,
>surely? :-)
If he were alive then his work would still be in copyright.
A Halliwell
Ian Collier (i...@ecs.ox.ac.uk) wrote:
: In article <847860...@jonlan.demon.co.uk>, st...@jonlan.demon.co.uk wrote:
: >> Hahahaha! Nice. Now, I wonder what would Johan Seb. Bach do
: >> if he were alive today:
:
: >Ah, but the copyright would have run out by now. It's public domain,
: >surely? :-)
:
: If he were alive then his work would still be in copyright.
50 years after death or something....
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In article <4ohou6$d...@gerry.cc.keele.ac.uk>, u5...@cc.keele.ac.uk (A Halliwell) wrote:
>50 years after death or something....
70, since some money-grabbing tight gits asked them to extend it...
Arnt Gulbrandsen
i...@ecs.ox.ac.uk (Ian Collier) writes:
> 70, since some money-grabbing tight gits asked them to extend it...
Nah, 70, since it's best if every country's copyright legislation
agrees on this.
But if said money-grabbing tight gits get their way, it'll be 90 in
the US soon.
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Copyright subsits in the EU for 70 years after the death of the
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Staffan Vilcans
i...@ecs.ox.ac.uk (Ian Collier) wrote:
>>50 years after death or something....
>70, since some money-grabbing tight gits asked them to extend it...
As far as I've heard it had nothing to do with money grabbing but that
Germany wasn't too hot on the idea of "Mein Kampf" being in the public
domain...
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Ian Collier
In article <4om71u$8...@epimetheus.algonet.se>, staffan...@ortivus.se wrote:
>As far as I've heard it had nothing to do with money grabbing but that
>Germany wasn't too hot on the idea of "Mein Kampf" being in the public
>domain...
What are they going to do in 20 years then?
Stewart Edgar
Ian Collier wrote:
>
> In article <4om71u$8...@epimetheus.algonet.se>, staffan...@ortivus.se wrote:
> >As far as I've heard it had nothing to do with money grabbing but that
> >Germany wasn't too hot on the idea of "Mein Kampf" being in the public
> >domain...
>
> What are they going to do in 20 years then?
70 years was introduced in Germany after WW1 so that dependent
grandchildren could benefit from royalties. With people living longer it
was decided to make it 70 across the EU.
BTW, I heard Mein Kampf was banned in Germany anyway (not that the people
who would read it are going to be worried about copyright :)
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rjfm2
Paul Squires <p...@soc.unl.ac.uk> wrote:
>Jeez, I'm so glad that there are others that appreciate this music! It's
>one of my favourite pieces ever!!
As spectrum music or as the classical music it was based on?
Anyway a lot of people have been stating their favourite games of all
time, but noone has been stateing which games had great music....
I always though Shadowfire had the coolest tune on the spec!
Rob.
Arnt Gulbrandsen
Stewart Edgar <stewar...@keble.ox.ac.uk> writes:
> BTW, I heard Mein Kampf was banned in Germany anyway (not that the people
> who would read it are going to be worried about copyright :)
Banned? Not any more than other nazi propaganda, AFAIK. You may be
referring to the fact tat the state of Bavaria owns the copyright and
strenuously objects to violations.
--Arnt
Hynek Med
On 29 May 1996, Ian Collier wrote:
> In article <847860...@jonlan.demon.co.uk>, st...@jonlan.demon.co.uk wrote:
> >> Hahahaha! Nice. Now, I wonder what would Johan Seb. Bach do
> >> if he were alive today:
>
> >Ah, but the copyright would have run out by now. It's public domain,
> >surely? :-)
>
> If he were alive then his work would still be in copyright.
Nice to see that spectrum-fans are as keen on copyright and author right
as I am.. Anyway, there is a nice quote:
"Copyright expires 50 (or 70) years after the author."
Hynek
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No idea how we got from SabreWolf to here, but there is a copy of Mein
Kampf in Waterstones in Durham. The blurb describes it as 'an evil book'
which is probably the most inverted sales pitch I've ever seen, with the
possible exception of 'Don't buy this'.
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Read my SIG (..Wind..) wrote:
>3) Claw his fingers inside his coffin, gasping for air
If Back was alive today, he would be saying:
`Why is it so dark in here....."
And yes I nicked it from Terry Pratchett's novel Pyrmamids!
Rob.
Ian Collier
In article <4omjso$7...@clyde.open.ac.uk>, rj...@student.open.ac.uk (rjfm2) wrote:
>Anyway a lot of people have been stating their favourite games of all
>time, but noone has been stateing which games had great music....
Well this must be at least the third time I've responded "128K Ghouls 'n'
Ghosts" in response to such a question...
Alan Richard
Rob wrote;
>Anyway a lot of people have been stating their favourite games of all
>time, but noone has been stateing which games had great music....
Was it Tim Follin who did the "multi-channel" (ahem!) music for the 48K
speccy.
Didn't he (and his brother) write Chronos? Agent X? and others for
Mastertronic?
Cheers,
Al.
Chris Owen
In article <8493...@comlab.ox.ac.uk>, Ian Collier <i...@ecs.ox.ac.uk> wrote:
>In article <4omjso$7...@clyde.open.ac.uk>, rj...@student.open.ac.uk (rjfm2) wrote:
>>Anyway a lot of people have been stating their favourite games of all
>>time, but noone has been stateing which games had great music....
>
>Ghosts" in response to such a question...
I wish I had a sound card so that I could listen to it. I remember being
absolutely dumbstruck by the music on the Atari ST version...
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>>Anyway a lot of people have been stating their favourite games of all
>>time, but noone has been stateing which games had great music....
I finished Sabre Wulf !!! Funny thing is that I only played 85% of the game.
But finally I reached the end...
Btw, wonna know how ? Use Snap on Disciple (or multiface) :)
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arp...@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Alan Richard") wrote:
>Rob wrote;
>>Anyway a lot of people have been stating their favourite games of all
>>time, but noone has been stateing which games had great music....
Sabre Wulf (really :)
Brian Bloodaxe (I used to drive ppl nuts wiht it ;)
Fairlight (mind blowing in those days :)
Agent X (Tim Follin ruled on zx/c64/amiga :)
And I liked a lot of the stuff Ben Daglish & David Whittaker did for AY. (then
again, I´ve always liked those bleeby noize generators, sid anyone ? :)
>Was it Tim Follin who did the "multi-channel" (ahem!) music for the 48K
>speccy.
I don´t know about this part, but didn´t the 2channel sounds appear first on
the Melbourne House titles ? (Gyroscope, Wham! the Music box)
>Didn't he (and his brother) write Chronos? Agent X? and others for
>Mastertronic?
And even a hex listing in YS. Great 3 channel tune. Spent a few minutes typing
it in 8)
Maybe I should just simply say, I´m in love with computer music? (thinking
about the 8000+ tunes on the amiga & pc HDs)
rjfm2
co@ (Chris Owen) wrote:
>
> I wish I had a sound card so that I could listen to it. I remember being
>absolutely dumbstruck by the music on the Atari ST version...
Well most of the ST soundtracks were pretyy naff, although I thought
the soundtrack to Palace's `Barbarian' to be pretty cool and it went
on for such a long time,,,
Rob.
Staffan Vilcans
Matt <M.N....@durham.ac.uk> wrote:
>No idea how we got from SabreWolf to here, but there is a copy of Mein
>Kampf in Waterstones in Durham. The blurb describes it as 'an evil book'
>which is probably the most inverted sales pitch I've ever seen, with the
>possible exception of 'Don't buy this'.
It doesn't sound like an german edition and thus it would be published
when the 50 year limit had been passed. A swedish published tried
recently to publish an edition of Mein Kampf but Bavaria didn't like
that.
Staffan Vilcans
i...@ecs.ox.ac.uk (Ian Collier) wrote:
>>As far as I've heard it had nothing to do with money grabbing but that
>>Germany wasn't too hot on the idea of "Mein Kampf" being in the public
>>domain...
>What are they going to do in 20 years then?
No idea. Raise the limit again perhaps. As far as I am concerned it
may very well be published. It's such a boring book that anyone
reading it will have to be either a 100% nazi or a scientist. In
either case it doesn't matter.
A limit of 50 years for software on the other hand is total madness,
10 years would be sufficient.