CLEAR and Stuart Campbell
Damien Burke
Foolish old me, on seeing chunks of my web site republished on the CLEAR
site (some of the author's permissions to distribute their games from my
"Free games" page), emailed CLEAR to ask them to link to my page rather
than copy it without even crediting it.
While 'Bongo' then credits my site by name (but not as a link), he won't
link to the page with the original permissions on them... a few
deliberately argumentative and obtuse emails later, with much use of the
royal 'we' and I finally twig what is going on. Must be getting slow in
my old age. Look at the headers from the last mail from 'Bongo' (my own
address slightly mangled by me here):
Received: from popmail.dircon.co.uk by jetman.dircon.co.uk with POP3
id <7552....@popmail.dircon.co.u> for <jet...@popmail.dircon.co.u>
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Reply-To: "C.L.E.A.R." <cl...@bingoandbongo.com>
From: "C.L.E.A.R." <cl...@bingoandbongo.com>
To: "Damien Burke" <spe...@jetman.dircon.co.u>
Subject: Re: http://bingo1.future.easyspace.com/rights.htm
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 23:43:33 -0000
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So from that we see Bongo is really a Pipex user, using the same version
of Outlook Express as Stuart, and Outlook Express signed onto the SMTP
server as 'stu'. The message ID also includes 'stu'. Not conclusive
proof I know, but it's good enough for me.
Bongo's initial postings show the same headers, i.e. identical to
Campbell's later posts.
Let me guess Stu - someone else is trying to pretend to be you, right?
Even in email? Getting to be a habit, this.
So this journo starts his little CLEAR organisation, but is speaking to
IDSA for a magazine article? Conflict of interest, anyone? And he had
'nothing to gain' from that thread... yeah, right. As in the Digitiser
debacle, the CLEAR site asks people to blindly copy some text and send
it on...
Stuart Campbell - once a respected YS writer - now just another trash
journo who doesn't even have the decency to credit his sources...
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Nick Humphries
wrote:
>Or should I say CLEAR *is* Stuart Campbell.
Does it matter?
>Foolish old me, on seeing chunks of my web site republished on the CLEAR
>site (some of the author's permissions to distribute their games from my
>"Free games" page), emailed CLEAR to ask them to link to my page rather
>than copy it without even crediting it.
>
>While 'Bongo' then credits my site by name (but not as a link), he won't
>link to the page with the original permissions on them...
[then you say]
>Stuart Campbell - once a respected YS writer - now just another trash
>journo who doesn't even have the decency to credit his sources...
He credited you. You said that youself. Whilst he could have done more, you
CANNOT claim he doesn't credit his sources. And, as he's obviously in some
sort of fued with you, why should he do more than the absolute minimum?
>So this journo starts his little CLEAR organisation, but is speaking to
>IDSA for a magazine article? Conflict of interest, anyone? And he had
>'nothing to gain' from that thread... yeah, right. As in the Digitiser
>debacle, the CLEAR site asks people to blindly copy some text and send
>it on...
Most people with a cause contact a journalist to help promote that cause.
What's wrong with a journo promoting his own cause?
All this is irrelevant anyway. Does all this suddenly mean that CLEAR isn't a
cause worth backing? Does all this suddenly mean that the IDSA won't do
anything (despite the fact that they've already closed down a popular site)?
For fucks sake, stop the points scoring and smell the coffee. The emulation
scene is under threat of being severely restricted to only PD stuff. What good
is it trying to turn it into your own personal crusade against someone who may
or may not be involved with CLEAR?
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Stuart Campbell
mail program and three consecutive letters of the alphabet? (Not to mention
the
fact that you went looking at all.) First Rocketship, now this - you appear
to see me everywhere. I'd be flattered, if you weren't such a scary madman.
>Not conclusive
>proof I know, but it's good enough for me.
Well, that bit rings true, at least.
One question - if I "was" CLEAR, why would I be keeping it secret? It isn't
anything illegal, in fact as far as I can see it's quite a noble, sensible,
grown-up and respectable thing to be doing. Frankly, if it was me, I'd want
the credit. Certainly, it would seem an AWFUL lot of trouble to go to to
justify a magazine article that justifies itself perfectly well anyway,
since piracy of all forms and increased attempts to stamp it out is the
hottest topic in the trade press right now.
Still, as long as you're happy. I think, for the sake of sanity, it may be
time for my second-ever killfile in four years.
Damien Burke
Humphries) wrote:
>Does it matter?
You think it doesn't???!!!
>He credited you. You said that youself.
AFTER I COMPLAINED TO THE IDIOT. In all this copyright wrangle, the man
doesn't even bother to credit the source of much of his material?
Beautiful.
>What's wrong with a journo promoting his own cause?
I'm one of these foolish types who like journalists to report, not make,
the news.
>All this is irrelevant anyway. Does all this suddenly mean that CLEAR isn't a
>cause worth backing?
When it's run by someone incapable of reasoned argument, common decency
or basic politeness - yes, I think it means CLEAR is something to steer
the hell clear of (no pun intended). By all means contact IDSA and
explain why you think they're wrong, but don't do it via CLEAR's stupid
spam mail idea.
No doubt IDSA have had a few identical mails already, and are getting
mightily pissed off with it. That's really the way forward isn't it -
piss them off, don't reason with them, just piss them off. Yeah, that'll
work. Duh.
> Does all this suddenly mean that the IDSA won't do
>anything (despite the fact that they've already closed down a popular site)?
Closed down? Closed down? Dave has removed the ROMs and AFAIK is
currently working out which ones to PUT BACK, while the rest of his
sites goes from strength to strength.
>For fucks sake, stop the points scoring and smell the coffee. The emulation
>scene is under threat of being severely restricted to only PD stuff. What good
>is it trying to turn it into your own personal crusade against someone who may
>or may not be involved with CLEAR?
I merely like to have the full facts in front of me, and share them with
others. You'd rather I said nothing and let this deception continue? How
odd.
Nick Humphries
wrote:
>On Sun, 22 Nov 1998 00:31:56 GMT, ni...@emailme.at.address.below (Nick
>Humphries) wrote:
>
>>What's wrong with a journo promoting his own cause?
>
>I'm one of these foolish types who like journalists to report, not make,
>the news.
Sorry, I forgot that the whole IDSA story was a creation of Stuarts...
>>All this is irrelevant anyway. Does all this suddenly mean that CLEAR isn't a
>>cause worth backing?
>
>When it's run by someone incapable of reasoned argument, common decency
>or basic politeness - yes, I think it means CLEAR is something to steer
>the hell clear of (no pun intended). By all means contact IDSA and
>explain why you think they're wrong, but don't do it via CLEAR's stupid
>spam mail idea.
So you think that showing that the emulation scene is divided is better than
showing a united front? Interesting way of protesting...
>No doubt IDSA have had a few identical mails already, and are getting
>mightily pissed off with it. That's really the way forward isn't it -
>piss them off, don't reason with them, just piss them off. Yeah, that'll
>work. Duh.
This petition process is an accepted form of protest. Companies just ignore
long signature lists - to get their attention you have to get people to send
in individual letters, and the organisers usually provide a template.
>> Does all this suddenly mean that the IDSA won't do
>>anything (despite the fact that they've already closed down a popular site)?
>
>Closed down? Closed down? Dave has removed the ROMs and AFAIK is
>currently working out which ones to PUT BACK, while the rest of his
>sites goes from strength to strength.
Bad choice of words on my part. In my mind, a ROM site without ROMs may just
as well be closed down. And the only word from the people behind Daves
Classics I've seen is that ROMs _might_ come back. I guess if they do, the
copyright holders of the ROMs would have either given their permission for the
ROMs to be on the site, or the copyright holders aren't a part of the IDSA.
For Daves Classics, that probably means that 90% of the ROMs will be put back
up on the site. If the whole situation is repeated with World of Spectrum,
only about 5% of the snapshots will remain on the site due to more Speccy
games publishers (and subsequent owners) are now part of the IDSA.
>>For fucks sake, stop the points scoring and smell the coffee. The emulation
>>scene is under threat of being severely restricted to only PD stuff. What good
>>is it trying to turn it into your own personal crusade against someone who may
>>or may not be involved with CLEAR?
>
>I merely like to have the full facts in front of me, and share them with
>others. You'd rather I said nothing and let this deception continue? How
>odd.
Yes, any deception on the part of Stuart OBVIOUSLY means that CLEAR shouldn't
be backed and its cause is invalid...
Jeez... here's emulation under threat, and you'd rather take the advantage in
using all this to fire another salvo at Stuart. It really does sadden me...
Of course, if you can PROVE that Stuart is behind Rocketship (not enough proof
just to suit you), then the ball game changes completely. If Stuart WAS
Rocketship, then he could use the IDSA issue to do some scaremongering and
increase sales of Rocketship's CD. So, Damien, rather than firing blanks all
the time, perhaps you could solve the nub of your feud with Stuart right here
and now. And in this newsgroup.
Stuart Campbell
Nick Humphries wrote in message <365869a4...@betanews.clara.net>...
>Of course, if you can PROVE that Stuart is behind Rocketship (not enough
proof
>just to suit you), then the ball game changes completely. If Stuart WAS
>Rocketship, then he could use the IDSA issue to do some scaremongering and
>increase sales of Rocketship's CD. So, Damien, rather than firing blanks
all
>the time, perhaps you could solve the nub of your feud with Stuart right
here
>and now. And in this newsgroup.
You make an interesting point here, Nick. Because currently, Damien is
suggesting that I'm simultaneously Rocketship, CLEAR and myself. Which means
he thinks I'm:
1. Making rich profits from selling emulator CDs. (As Rocketship)
2. Going to a great deal of trouble (as CLEAR) to prevent emulator sites
being closed down (such closures would, of course, be GREAT news for makers
of emulator CDs), hence *destroying* those potentially-much-increased
profits.
3. Loudly publicising both facts (as Stuart) in order to write about it.
All at the same time. You can see why a casual observer might be a bit
confused.
Stuart Campbell
"inconclusive" proof, Damien has posted categorical statements on his site
that I quite definitely am CLEAR, along with some comments clearly aimed at
undermining the whole campaign.
Mostly his idiocy just entertains me, but his absurdly pig-headed and
vindictive posting of flat-out lies like this could rebound on everyone, if
it achieves its desired effect and scuppers the campaign.
Nick Humphries
<thumbs...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>You make an interesting point here, Nick. Because currently, Damien is
>suggesting that I'm simultaneously Rocketship, CLEAR and myself. Which means
>he thinks I'm:
>
>1. Making rich profits from selling emulator CDs. (As Rocketship)
>2. Going to a great deal of trouble (as CLEAR) to prevent emulator sites
>being closed down (such closures would, of course, be GREAT news for makers
>of emulator CDs), hence *destroying* those potentially-much-increased
>profits.
>3. Loudly publicising both facts (as Stuart) in order to write about it.
>
>All at the same time. You can see why a casual observer might be a bit
>confused.
I've dealt with some rather elaborate conspiracy theories in my time, and
Damien's, on face value, is one of the most tenuous. Of course, IF he can
prove a link between you and Rocketship (other than the fact that both of you
use Pipex...) then he might have something.
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Bongo
Damien Burke wrote in message <36575519...@news.dircon.co.uk>...
>Or should I say CLEAR *is* Stuart Campbell.
>
>site (some of the author's permissions to distribute their games from my
>"Free games" page), emailed CLEAR to ask them to link to my page rather
>than copy it without even crediting it.
>
>While 'Bongo' then credits my site by name (but not as a link), he won't
>link to the page with the original permissions on them...
Hello everyone!
In fact, the statements above are not true. Here is a extract from the last
email I sent to Damien yesterday.
>If you still specifically want us to change your credit to a link
>credit, that's fine - I explained you why we didn't do it that way in the
>first place.
As you see, I DID offer to link to his page. Previously I hadn't, as after
we received many emails saying that we were just making it easy for IDSA to
find emulation sites, I'd removed ALL direct links to other people's sites.
I had told Damien this.
Damien had sent a number of angry emails to me DEMANDING that all the
permisions which had originally been on his site be removed and replaced
with links to his page. Out of hundreds of emails since CLEAR started, this
is the only time anyone has tried to use it to increase his own website
traffic. He claims that:
>>I want the
>>information on permissions in one place where it can be used as a
>>reference - not scattered in edited form over different sites.
Yet, we have many more permissions than him (not being restricted to
Spectrum games), so surely it makes sense for such things to be collected on
a site specifically concerned with emulation and copyright? Damien did not
want us to have these things AT ALL, he wanted them to be ONLY on his site.
Since the permisions are obviously meant for public information by the
authors, I was confused as to why he would want to restrict them to only one
page, if not for his own benefit. I was always polite, and said "sorry for
any offence", and put up credits (which no-one else had asked for, although
they knew we had copied permissions from their pages) and offered to put up
a link, but he was too angry to reason with. (My emails are now refused by
his mail program.)
This newsgroup has some strange people.
Bongo.
Stuart Campbell
Nick Humphries wrote in message <3657cc8f...@betanews.clara.net>...
>I've dealt with some rather elaborate conspiracy theories in my time, and
>Damien's, on face value, is one of the most tenuous. Of course, IF he can
>prove a link between you and Rocketship (other than the fact that both of
you
>use Pipex...) then he might have something.
He would indeed... the secret of completely subverting and reversing
reality.
The boy is so crazed with blind hatred, I fully expect to be accused of the
murders of JFK, Princess Diana and the Archduke Ferdinand any time now, on
the grounds that Lee Harvey Oswald once ate a haggis or something. Still, I
suppose it keeps him off the streets.
lo...@my.sig
: On Sun, 22 Nov 1998 00:14:06 GMT, dam...@jetman.dircon.co.u (Damien Burke)
: wrote:
:>Or should I say CLEAR *is* Stuart Campbell.
: Does it matter?
Well, seeing as the whole thing is a copyright issue, it seems a bit...
Hypocritical to blindly copy Damiens page rather than link to it, without
even crediting him. Also, if damien were to gain more permissions to put on
his page, this way, it would not be mirrored on the CLEAR page, whic
defeates the object, as far as I'm concerned.
: [then you say]
:>Stuart Campbell - once a respected YS writer - now just another trash
:>journo who doesn't even have the decency to credit his sources...
: He credited you.
He didn't at first, though, did he?
You said that youself. Whilst he could have done more, you
: CANNOT claim he doesn't credit his sources. And, as he's obviously in some
: sort of fued with you, why should he do more than the absolute minimum?
This issue is bigger than any petty little feud for gods sake!
The point... Well, I've already stated the point above [About the
possibility of Damiens page being updated].
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Damien Burke
Humphries) wrote:
>Sorry, I forgot that the whole IDSA story was a creation of Stuarts...
The 'Speccy emulation under threat' idea is certainly his.
>So you think that showing that the emulation scene is divided is better than
>showing a united front? Interesting way of protesting...
Spamming != united front.
>This petition process is an accepted form of protest.
Spamming != petition.
> Companies just ignore
>long signature lists - to get their attention you have to get people to send
>in individual letters, and the organisers usually provide a template.
^^^^^^^^^^
Spamming != individual letters.
>Bad choice of words on my part. In my mind, a ROM site without ROMs may just
>as well be closed down.
If you think Dave's was just a ROM site, well... what can I say.
>Of course, if you can PROVE that Stuart is behind Rocketship (not enough proof
>just to suit you), then the ball game changes completely. If Stuart WAS
>Rocketship, then he could use the IDSA issue to do some scaremongering and
>increase sales of Rocketship's CD. So, Damien, rather than firing blanks all
>the time, perhaps you could solve the nub of your feud with Stuart right here
>and now. And in this newsgroup.
As I recall one time I repeated my allegation he was allowing Rocketship
to use his machine, he made a threat to have me stop saying that...
seems IDSA aren't the only ones who want to use legal action threats to
shut down things they don't like.
Damien Burke
<thumbs...@dial.pipex.com>, failing to keep to his own words that he
wouldn't be responding to me any more, wrote:
>One question - if I "was" CLEAR, why would I be keeping it secret?
So you can have a nice interview with IDSA obviously, while asking them
about the campaign that has been launched against them. Running out of
things to write articles about? I just wonder why you went on the
publicity blitz in this particular group - or have you done it in others
too?
>Still, as long as you're happy. I think, for the sake of sanity, it may be
>time for my second-ever killfile in four years.
Go for it Stu. I won't mind.
Damien Burke
>As you see, I DID offer to link to his page.
After me asking TWICE. And refusing to remove the permission mails that
I had asked to be removed.
>Damien had sent a number of angry emails to me DEMANDING that all the
>permisions which had originally been on his site be removed and replaced
>with links to his page. Out of hundreds of emails since CLEAR started, this
>is the only time anyone has tried to use it to increase his own website
>traffic.
I'm sure css readers know my web site has been untouched for over a year
- if I'm so desperate for traffic, why haven't I updated or advertised
it in a whole year? Hmmm?
>This newsgroup has some strange people.
>
>Bongo.
It does indeed Stuart. Bongo?
*plonk* incidentally. If you wish to make your opinions known to me, use
your real email address on your postings.
Damien Burke
>This is quite scary, Damien. You're clearly obsessed. Pipex, a Microsoft
>mail program and three consecutive letters of the alphabet? (Not to mention
>the
>fact that you went looking at all.) First Rocketship, now this - you appear
>to see me everywhere. I'd be flattered, if you weren't such a scary madman.
[shouted in Jack Nicholson style]
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Stuart Campbell
Damien Burke wrote in message <36587f0e...@news.dircon.co.uk>...
>[shouted in Jack Nicholson style]
>You want the truth? You can't handle the truth.
Sigh. Except, Damien, one of the *very first* things I said publically in
this thread was that I'd donated some webspace to the campaign (since the
current space isn't big enough to hold anything but the hastily-built
temporary pages). One of the perks of my job is being able to register
domains for free, which I did as a favour when asked.
Still, I really AM flattered at being such an important feature in your life
that you go to all this trouble. Do you have lots of big photocopied
pictures of me on your bedroom wall, too?
Killfiles are the equivalent of a nine-year-old schoolboy sticking his
fingers in his ears and going "NA NA NA NA NA I CAN'T HEAR YOU NA NA NA
NA!", which is why I try never to resort to them. But you win.
To everyone else: sorry about all this. Sometimes I just can't leave a moron
unchallenged. But enough's enough.
Damien Burke
<thumbs...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>Sigh. Except, Damien, one of the *very first* things I said publically in
>this thread was that I'd donated some webspace to the campaign
And as I said, 'Bongo/CLEAR' is YOU. And you denied it. And 'Bongo' (who
laughably claimed to be from Sweden in a mail to me) has 'his' mail
directed straight to you. Can't even admit it when caught, what a loser
you really are.
> (since the
>current space isn't big enough to hold anything but the hastily-built
>temporary pages).
25Mb isn't big enough to hold anything but a few K of text? How strange.
I am quite impressed you're still trying to weasel out of this though.
Fascinating. As you yourself said, this newsgroup has some strange
people.
Nick Humphries
wrote:
>On Sun, 22 Nov 1998 01:48:08 GMT, ni...@emailme.at.address.below (Nick
>Humphries) wrote:
>
>>Sorry, I forgot that the whole IDSA story was a creation of Stuarts...
>
>The 'Speccy emulation under threat' idea is certainly his.
Yes. And what's wrong with that? The IDSA has already stated it disapproved of
the Commodore emulation scene, what's to say that when ELSPA and FACT get in
on the act they won't try and get rid of the illegal part of the Spectrum
emulation scene here? Both are 8-bit computers.
>>So you think that showing that the emulation scene is divided is better than
>>showing a united front? Interesting way of protesting...
>
>Spamming != united front.
>
>>This petition process is an accepted form of protest.
>
>Spamming != petition.
>
>> Companies just ignore
>>long signature lists - to get their attention you have to get people to send
>>in individual letters, and the organisers usually provide a template.
> ^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Spamming != individual letters.
You seem to have an inaccurate definition of "spamming". You also seem to be
blissfully unaware of the standard protest method known as the "letter-writing
campaign". CLEAR is advocating a letter-writing campaign in the traditional
manner: asking people to send letters to the IDSA, and providing a template
letter for people to use if they wanted to. All that differs from the
traditional letter-writing campaign is that the letters are being sent by
email rather than snail mail.
>>Bad choice of words on my part. In my mind, a ROM site without ROMs may just
>>as well be closed down.
>
>If you think Dave's was just a ROM site, well... what can I say.
So you're saying that if WoS is forced to remove all snaps it hasn't got
permissions for (about 95%), then it will still remain as popular and as
useful as it is now? I seriously doubt it'll get the 60,000-odd hits a day it
gets now when the archive has been decimated.
>>Of course, if you can PROVE that Stuart is behind Rocketship (not enough proof
>>just to suit you), then the ball game changes completely. If Stuart WAS
>>Rocketship, then he could use the IDSA issue to do some scaremongering and
>>increase sales of Rocketship's CD. So, Damien, rather than firing blanks all
>>the time, perhaps you could solve the nub of your feud with Stuart right here
>>and now. And in this newsgroup.
>
>As I recall one time I repeated my allegation he was allowing Rocketship
>to use his machine, he made a threat to have me stop saying that...
>seems IDSA aren't the only ones who want to use legal action threats to
>shut down things they don't like.
That's right Damien, people should be allowed to say damaging things about
other people whether they are true or not...
So, about that proof...
Stuart Campbell
Nick Humphries wrote in message <365b96b3...@betanews.clara.net>...
>So, about that proof...
Unfortunately, Nick, you'll learn that once Damien fixes an idea in his
pretty little head, no amount of logic, reason or empirically-demonstrated
fact will shift it. Before putting the k-file on, I noticed him claiming
that Bongo "has 'his' mail directed straight to you" (meaning me), despite
the seemingly fairly visible differences between the email addresses
bo...@bingoandbongo.com (Bongo's address)
and
thumbs...@dial.pipex.com (my address)
Honestly, give up. The boy's a crazed Chapman-style stalker (his posting of
my office address and phone number is just plain vindictive evil which could
serve no possible purpose other than to have my business - and some of the
dozens of others in the building - crippled by nuisance mail and calls).
You're wasting your time with him, and having us both falling into his trap
by attempting to reason with him is simply giving him more respect than his
ludicrously obsessive conspiracy theories deserve.
Robert van der Veeke
<73a70t$jg8$1...@plug.news.pipex.net>...
>
> Nick Humphries wrote in message <365b96b3...@betanews.clara.net>...
>
> >So, about that proof...
>
>
>
> Unfortunately, Nick, you'll learn that once Damien fixes an idea in his
> pretty little head, no amount of logic, reason or
empirically-demonstrated
> fact will shift it. Before putting the k-file on, I noticed him claiming
> that Bongo "has 'his' mail directed straight to you" (meaning me),
despite
> the seemingly fairly visible differences between the email addresses
>
> bo...@bingoandbongo.com (Bongo's address)
>
> and
>
> thumbs...@dial.pipex.com (my address)
Path:
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wsfeed.cwix.com!158.43.192.17!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!
pipex!not-for-mail
From: "Bongo" <bo...@bingoandbongo.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sinclair
Subject: Emulation under threat (yes, Speccies too)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 12:49:16 -0000
Organization: CLEAR
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net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex
!not-for-mail
From: "Stuart Campbell" <thumbs...@dial.pipex.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sinclair
Subject: Re: CLEAR and Stuart Campbell
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 23:33:42 -0000
Organization: Thumbs Aloft!
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<366258bf...@betanews.clara.net>
<36596374...@news.dircon.co.uk> <365869a4...@betanews.clara.net>
<365b5205...@news.dircon.co.uk> <365b96b3...@betanews.clara.net>
NNTP-Posting-Host: usero315.uk.uudial.com
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Draw your own conclusions.
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Adam Lounds
>Damien Burke wrote in message <36575519...@news.dircon.co.uk>...
>>Or should I say CLEAR *is* Stuart Campbell.
>>
>Hello everyone!
>In fact, the statements above are not true. Here is a extract from the last
>email I sent to Damien yesterday.
>>If you still specifically want us to change your credit to a link
>>credit, that's fine - I explained you why we didn't do it that way in the
>>first place.
>As you see, I DID offer to link to his page.
<snip>
>Bongo.
Hmmm.
Domain Name: BINGOANDBONGO.COM
Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
Hostmaster (HO336-ORG) hostm...@EASYSPACE.COM
Not Available
Fax- +44 1932 350222
Billing Contact:
Campbell, Stuart (SC9931) bingo...@DIAL.PIPEX.COM
- 01225 481957 (FAX) Not Given
The mystery deepens...
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Adam Lounds
>Stuart Campbell <thumbs...@dial.pipex.com> schreef in artikel
><73a70t$jg8$1...@plug.news.pipex.net>...
>>
>> Nick Humphries wrote in message <365b96b3...@betanews.clara.net>...
>>
>> >So, about that proof...
>>
>> Unfortunately, Nick, you'll learn that once Damien fixes an idea in his
>> pretty little head, no amount of logic, reason or
>empirically-demonstrated
>> fact will shift it. Before putting the k-file on, I noticed him claiming
>> that Bongo "has 'his' mail directed straight to you" (meaning me),
>despite
>> the seemingly fairly visible differences between the email addresses
>>
>> bo...@bingoandbongo.com (Bongo's address)
>>
>> and
>>
>> thumbs...@dial.pipex.com (my address)
Oh come on - you know it's not hard to redirect mail from a domain to
a dial-up account...
>Path:
<snipped irrelevant bits>
>From: "Bongo" <bo...@bingoandbongo.com>
>Newsgroups: comp.sys.sinclair
>Subject: Emulation under threat (yes, Speccies too)
>Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 12:49:16 -0000
>NNTP-Posting-Host: usern201.uk.uudial.com
>X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0
>X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0
>Path:
>From: "Stuart Campbell" <thumbs...@dial.pipex.com>
>Newsgroups: comp.sys.sinclair
>Subject: Re: CLEAR and Stuart Campbell
>Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 23:33:42 -0000
>NNTP-Posting-Host: usero315.uk.uudial.com
>X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0
>X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0
>Draw your own conclusions.
Cool! Two people using Outlook express. What a coincidence.
OK, so the domain is registered to Stu, but that's about as
far as the connection can be made. He's offered a perfectly
reasonable explanation for this - so why the witch hunt?
Stuart Campbell
Adam Lounds wrote in message <8qb62.339$87.1...@news.tcp.co.uk>...
>The mystery deepens...
But not very far, Adam. Having registered the domain for Bongo and not for
my own use, I obviously wouldn't want mail concerning it getting mixed up in
my own mail, so I set it up with one of my spare Pipex mailboxes so it would
be easy to automatically forward. (I wonder how Damien will manage to work
this bit into his increasingly elaborate conspiracy theory?) Had I been
trying to conceal any of this, it would have been simplicity itself to use a
Hotmail account or similar.
Robert van der Veeke
<%wb62.340$87.1...@news.tcp.co.uk>...
> Cool! Two people using Outlook express. What a coincidence.
> OK, so the domain is registered to Stu, but that's about as
> far as the connection can be made. He's offered a perfectly
> reasonable explanation for this - so why the witch hunt?
Why haven't we seen more of this Bongo-guy then?
lo...@my.sig
: Honestly, give up. The boy's a crazed Chapman-style stalker
WOW!
I had a headmaster called Chapman in Junior school....
Hmmmmm....
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: <%wb62.340$87.1...@news.tcp.co.uk>...
:> Cool! Two people using Outlook express. What a coincidence.
:> OK, so the domain is registered to Stu, but that's about as
:> far as the connection can be made. He's offered a perfectly
:> reasonable explanation for this - so why the witch hunt?
: Why haven't we seen more of this Bongo-guy then?
He's probably in a different emulator scene, and just popped in to quash
nasty rumours....
Or he could be Stuart Campbell.
I know I've never seen both of them in the same room at the same time....
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Damien Burke
Humphries) wrote:
>Yes. And what's wrong with that?
Er, because it isn't illegal? Duh...
>The IDSA has already stated it disapproved of
>the Commodore emulation scene,
Oh well, if they 'disapprove', that's the end. We may as well all delete
our copies of Z80, x128, etc. Sheesh.
>what's to say that when ELSPA and FACT get in
>on the act they won't try and get rid of the illegal part of the Spectrum
>emulation scene here? Both are 8-bit computers.
Illegal part? You mean the pirated software? I have no problem with
that. It is their right to do so after all. I have no argument with
copyright holders protecting copyright - I'd rather they allowed
distribution, but if they don't, I'm not going to whinge at them.
>You seem to have an inaccurate definition of "spamming".
Lots of identical mails? Good enough for me.
>You also seem to be
>blissfully unaware of the standard protest method known as the "letter-writing
>campaign".
Massively different to sending a bunch of identical emails, I think even
you will agree.
>So you're saying that if WoS is forced to remove all snaps it hasn't got
>permissions for (about 95%), then it will still remain as popular and as
>useful as it is now?
If I was Martijn I'd be insulted by that - his site has a lot of value
regardless of whether there are snaps on there or not.
>That's right Damien, people should be allowed to say damaging things about
>other people whether they are true or not...
Damaging?!
>So, about that proof...
I've posted it already. Read with unblinkered eyes.
Damien Burke
<thumbs...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>I noticed him claiming
>that Bongo "has 'his' mail directed straight to you" (meaning me), despite
>the seemingly fairly visible differences between the email addresses
>
>bo...@bingoandbongo.com (Bongo's address)
>
>and
>
>thumbs...@dial.pipex.com (my address)
-> Billing Contact:
Campbell, Stuart (SC9931) bingo...@DIAL.PIPEX.COM
Yawn.
I have several email addresses, most of which look nothing like my
current one. Am I then a bunch of different people?
>Honestly, give up. The boy's a crazed Chapman-style stalker (his posting of
>my office address and phone number is just plain vindictive evil which could
>serve no possible purpose other than to have my business - and some of the
>dozens of others in the building - crippled by nuisance mail and calls).
Vindictive evil to publish public information? Go to
www.demon.net/external/ntools.html
In the box marked by two yellow blobs and titled "Generic Whois Lookup
on Domain / IP Address", type:
Click the Submit button.
Methinks you better complain to the Internic if you really want this
information kept secret. If you do so and CC: the complaint (and their
response) to me, I will cancel my post and ask DejaNews to remove it
from their archive.
Nick Humphries
wrote:
>On Sun, 22 Nov 1998 23:10:38 GMT, ni...@emailme.at.address.below (Nick
>Humphries) wrote:
[Damien snipped:]
>>>>Sorry, I forgot that the whole IDSA story was a creation of Stuarts...
>>>
>>>The 'Speccy emulation under threat' idea is certainly his.
[end snipped bit]
>>Yes. And what's wrong with that?
>
>Er, because it isn't illegal? Duh...
And here's where the whole argument goes around in circles again, where I
restate that the law is irrelevant unless the IDSA takes you to court, etc.
etc. - if you're going to take part in a debate, at least TRY to remember
what's already been said.
>>The IDSA has already stated it disapproved of
>>the Commodore emulation scene,
>
>Oh well, if they 'disapprove', that's the end. We may as well all delete
>our copies of Z80, x128, etc. Sheesh.
You really haven't listened to or understood the real issues at hand, have
you?
>>You seem to have an inaccurate definition of "spamming".
>
>Lots of identical mails? Good enough for me.
So, say, Your Sinclair's Save Our Speccy campaign was nothing more than a
spamming session then?
>>You also seem to be
>>blissfully unaware of the standard protest method known as the "letter-writing
>>campaign".
>
>Massively different to sending a bunch of identical emails, I think even
>you will agree.
Nope. The method described on the CLEAR website has matched every method I've
seen before: either email the organisation with your own email or use the
template provided. You want me to give you examples?
>>So you're saying that if WoS is forced to remove all snaps it hasn't got
>>permissions for (about 95%), then it will still remain as popular and as
>>useful as it is now?
>
>If I was Martijn I'd be insulted by that - his site has a lot of value
>regardless of whether there are snaps on there or not.
So you actually think it will still get 60,000 downloads a day when the
archive is decimated? Yes, the WoS site will still have value, but only an
idiot will say it would still be used as often as it is now. Once someone's
downloaded an emulator, they have no real reason to go back to the site in
future except for updates.
I find it rather distasteful that you're trying to twist my words into an
attack on Martijn, someone who I respect rather a lot.
>>That's right Damien, people should be allowed to say damaging things about
>>other people whether they are true or not...
>
>Damaging?!
>
>>So, about that proof...
>
>I've posted it already. Read with unblinkered eyes.
I read it from an outsider's viewpoint, and proof is rather lacking. All I've
seen is a smear campaign, nothing more. You ignore trying to prove the
allegation upon which all others have been built on (that Stuart is
Rocketship), yet when asked to do so you say it doesn't matter one bit, so you
don't bother.
Pardon me for not being impressed one iota.
Damien Burke
Humphries) wrote:
>And here's where the whole argument goes around in circles again, where I
>restate that the law is irrelevant unless the IDSA takes you to court, etc.
Oh nonsense. So I should be scared of being taken to court for being
called Damien, because I don't have the money to fight the case? Despite
no lawyer being dumb enough to try and go forward with such a case?
>So, say, Your Sinclair's Save Our Speccy campaign was nothing more than a
>spamming session then?
No idea what that was.
>Nope. The method described on the CLEAR website has matched every method I've
>seen before: either email the organisation with your own email or use the
>template provided. You want me to give you examples?
Want me to give you examples of people getting the post office to
*reject* identical mails posted to them? I believe it's unacceptable
either in real post or email. Individual letters are infinitely more
powerful.
>So you actually think it will still get 60,000 downloads a day when the
>archive is decimated? Yes, the WoS site will still have value, but only an
>idiot will say it would still be used as often as it is now.
Used often != valuable.
Or are you saying the most valuable sites on the net are the porno
ones?! :)
>I find it rather distasteful that you're trying to twist my words into an
>attack on Martijn, someone who I respect rather a lot.
No, I didn't twist your words at all. I quoted them, and said what I'd
feel if I was Martijn. I apologise if you believe that is twisting your
words, but it isn't.
>
>I read it from an outsider's viewpoint, and proof is rather lacking. All I've
>seen is a smear campaign, nothing more. You ignore trying to prove the
>allegation upon which all others have been built on (that Stuart is
>Rocketship), yet when asked to do so you say it doesn't matter one bit, so you
>don't bother.
That's an old allegation. In case you hadn't noticed, it moved on.
Norman turned out to be a real person. Who, strangely enough, lived in
Bath too. I'm firmly convinced Stuart let him use his computer and his
account.
I've proved here that Stuart has lied about not being 'Bongo'. What more
can I do on that? Get paparazzi pictures?
Stuart Campbell
Nick Humphries wrote in message <365bbb9e...@betanews.clara.net>...
>>>So, about that proof...
>>
>>I've posted it already. Read with unblinkered eyes.
>
>I read it from an outsider's viewpoint, and proof is rather lacking. All
I've
>seen is a smear campaign, nothing more.
Incidentally, viewers, I note that where Damien's page previously
categorically stated that I definitely *was* CLEAR, it now merely states
that Damien "suspects" this to be the case.
What's up, Damien? That "proof" not quite solid enough after all, was it?
First, you back down on me being Rocketship (still waiting for an apology
for that particular set of scurrilous accusations), now you're backing down
on me being CLEAR. Ever thought of a job in government?
(Think I'll take that killfile off and wait to hear the reply to this one.
Should be good.)
Ian Collier
>Nope. The method described on the CLEAR website has matched every method I've
>seen before: either email the organisation with your own email or use the
>template provided. You want me to give you examples?
What CLEAr provides is not a template - it is a complete copy of a letter
together with the words "Cut-and-paste this letter and send it to IDSA -
5 seconds of effort to help save the whole emulation scene" in capitals.
If that's not encouraging people to send lots of identical letters I don't
know what is.
I should think most PR people are well up on mass-mailing campaigns and
mostly ignore them. Making the letters all different might help to avoid
this. I also think a lot of the text in the sample letter is useless as it
is directly contradicted by the IDSA FAQ.
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>Nick Humphries entertained comp.sys.sinclair with the following story:
>>Nope. The method described on the CLEAR website has matched every method I've
>>seen before: either email the organisation with your own email or use the
>>template provided. You want me to give you examples?
>
>What CLEAr provides is not a template - it is a complete copy of a letter
>together with the words "Cut-and-paste this letter and send it to IDSA -
>5 seconds of effort to help save the whole emulation scene" in capitals.
>If that's not encouraging people to send lots of identical letters I don't
>know what is.
From CLEAR's web page:
<begin quote>
Below is a sample letter, explaining in calm, rational language why IDSA's
actions are self-defeating, short-sighted and counter-productive. Below that
is a link to their email address. If you cut and paste the sample letter, or
******************
simply use its points as a general guide for a totally different letter,
adding or subtracting any thoughts of your own that are relevant (PLEASE don't
******************
flame, as it'll only harden their attitude), and mail it to them, it's very
possible that we can get them to stop throwing their weight around in such a
clumsy and irrational way. Believe me, they're certainly NOT going to ignore
the feelings of thousands, even hundreds of thousands of gamers - it's simply
not in their interests to do so. Isn't it at least worth a try?
<end quote>
In other words, mail this letter, or use parts of it in your own. Just like
every other letter-writing campaign. True, it might not solve anything, but
these things have been known to work - if we decide to do nothing now, we've
already admitted defeat.
Paul Martin Howard
I haven't been following this thread at all.
What exactly is a kill file?
Damien Burke
<thumbs...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>Incidentally, viewers, I note that where Damien's page previously
>categorically stated that I definitely *was* CLEAR, it now merely states
>that Damien "suspects" this to be the case.
Merely protecting myself against any attempt by you to bring legal
threats to bear to try and shut me up.
>What's up, Damien? That "proof" not quite solid enough after all, was it?
Let's just remind ourselves of a few facts, shall we.
whois -h whois.internic.net. bingoandbongo.com
Registrant:
Bingo And Bongo's Emulated World (BINGOANDBONGO-DOM)
- 4 Brock St
- ,, - Bath BANES BA1 2LN
UK
(let's remember this postal address, shall we)
Domain Name: BINGOANDBONGO.COM
Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
Hostmaster (HO336-ORG) hostm...@EASYSPACE.COM
Not Available
Fax- +44 1932 350222
Billing Contact:
Campbell, Stuart (SC9931) bingo...@DIAL.PIPEX.COM
And hang on, let me just dig out the address that Rocketship Services
gave to me when I mailed them from another account asking where I should
send my money...
Norman McIntosh
4 Brock Street,
Bath,
BA1 2LN.
What an extraordinary coincidence.
>First, you back down on me being Rocketship
Some time ago. Last year, wasn't it? Do keep up. Given the above though
I do wonder what is going on.
> (still waiting for an apology
>for that particular set of scurrilous accusations)
Oh *sorry* Stu baby. I'm still firmly convinced you let Norman use your
machine and that you lied about that afterwards, which is just as bad.
>, now you're backing down>on me being CLEAR.
I am? Gosh. When did I do that?
Stuart Campbell
Damien Burke wrote in message <365d1dcc...@news.dircon.co.uk>...
>On Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:11:48 -0000, "Stuart Campbell"
><thumbs...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>
>>Incidentally, viewers, I note that where Damien's page previously
>>categorically stated that I definitely *was* CLEAR, it now merely states
>>that Damien "suspects" this to be the case.
>
>Merely protecting myself against any attempt by you to bring legal
>threats to bear to try and shut me up.
Truth is a complete defence, Damien.
>Let's just remind ourselves of a few facts, shall we.
>
>whois -h whois.internic.net. bingoandbongo.com
Blah blah blah zzzzz. Very poor, Damien, I expected something more
imaginative at least. I've already told you why the domain is registered to
me. You offer no evidence to the contrary, or for your absolutely
extraordinary assertion that Bongo is "redirecting his mail" to me.
>And hang on, let me just dig out the address that Rocketship Services
>What an extraordinary coincidence.
Goodness, yes. And I suppose I'm also all of the 300 or so other people
whose address this huge block of rented office units is? Nothing would
surprise me.
>>, now you're backing down>on me being CLEAR.
>
>I am? Gosh. When did I do that?
Well, two messages ago you said you had "proved" it. Now you just "suspect".
Sounds like a backdown to me.
Pathetic. K-file back on.
Jamie Percival
I'd reply to this thread in comp.sys.sinclair. This was on Tue, 24 Nov
1998 17:42:46 +0000, by the way.:
>Err...
>
>I haven't been following this thread at all.
Me neither, but I still have the messages...
>What exactly is a kill file?
The easy way out.
Thanks,
Jamie
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Paul Martin Howard <y982...@cpca6.uea.ac.uk> writes
>Err...
>
>I haven't been following this thread at all.
>
your computer (and prevent downloading of) files that you do not want to
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For example, I can set up a killfile to refuse all messages being
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<thumbs...@dial.pipex.com> writes
>Goodness, yes. And I suppose I'm also all of the 300 or so other people
>whose address this huge block of rented office units is? Nothing would
>surprise me.
office block it would not just have the number 4. It would either have a
building name to distinguish it, or at least be several numbers.
Stuart Campbell
Paul Martin Howard wrote in message ...
>What exactly is a kill file?
It's a way of stopping messages from a certain person, or on a certain
topic, from appearing on your news server. It's a really crap thing to have
to do (which is why I've only done it once in four years), but when you've
already had 50 or 60 attempts at reasoning with someone and they refuse to
listen, sometimes you have to just switch off.
Adam Lounds
>Damien Burke wrote in message <365d1dcc...@news.dircon.co.uk>...
>>On Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:11:48 -0000, "Stuart Campbell"
>><thumbs...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Incidentally, viewers, I note that where Damien's page previously
>>>categorically stated that I definitely *was* CLEAR, it now merely states
>>>that Damien "suspects" this to be the case.
>>
>>Merely protecting myself against any attempt by you to bring legal
>>threats to bear to try and shut me up.
>Truth is a complete defence, Damien.
>>Let's just remind ourselves of a few facts, shall we.
>>
>>whois -h whois.internic.net. bingoandbongo.com
>Blah blah blah zzzzz. Very poor, Damien, I expected something more
>imaginative at least. I've already told you why the domain is registered to
>me. You offer no evidence to the contrary, or for your absolutely
>extraordinary assertion that Bongo is "redirecting his mail" to me.
<snip>
>Goodness, yes. And I suppose I'm also all of the 300 or so other people
>whose address this huge block of rented office units is? Nothing would
>surprise me.
In which case your ISP has not registered the domain correctly with
internic, as they have not used the full postal address. Unless you
have post delivered to pigeonholes, which I find hard to believe.
I would have expected more from Pipex. Then again...
Does anyone here work for Pipex? Can you check the mail setup for us?
(yeah, right)
I guess we'll never know. Or never care...
Stuart Campbell
system.
Adam Lounds wrote in message ...
>In which case your ISP has not registered the domain correctly with
>internic, as they have not used the full postal address. Unless you
>have post delivered to pigeonholes, which I find hard to believe.
Not even so high-tech - it comes straight in through the main letter box
"sorted" by the Post Office in elastic bands according to addressee/company.
Since I'm the only person in my "company", there's no need to clarify the
address any further, so in fact it's perfectly "full". Any remote danger of
getting back to the point, which I seem to recall was something about Speccy
gamesites being closed down?
Oh, never mind.
Gerard Sweeney / Hackers Anonymous
>
> What exactly is a kill file?
It's a bit like an X-File, only without the will-they-won't-they tension
between the 2 FBI investigators. And a kill file doesn't make as many crap
episodes :-))
Toodle-pip!
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: Err...
: I haven't been following this thread at all.
: What exactly is a kill file?
It's a filtering mechanism built into your newsreader that allows you to
select a subject, or e-mail address, and then delete or skip over all
messages that contain that subject AND/OR e-mail address...
Usefull for spam, and refusing to see what obnoxious peoples postings.
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Damien Burke
<thumbs...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>Truth is a complete defence, Damien.
What planet do you live on?
>Blah blah blah zzzzz. Very poor, Damien, I expected something more
>imaginative at least. I've already told you why the domain is registered to
>me. You offer no evidence to the contrary, or for your absolutely
>extraordinary assertion that Bongo is "redirecting his mail" to me.
If you're so clever and set up the domain for this non-existent Bongo
chap, why doesn't his mail just go straight to him instead of one of
your 'spare' Pipex aliases?
>>And hang on, let me just dig out the address that Rocketship Services
>>What an extraordinary coincidence.
>
>
>Goodness, yes. And I suppose I'm also all of the 300 or so other people
>whose address this huge block of rented office units is? Nothing would
>surprise me.
Rented office units? 300 people? Must be a bugger sorting all the mail
out in the morning then. 4 Brock St. No clue about which unit there, is
there? Or do you 300 all know each other really well?
You make me laugh, you really do.
Damien Burke
>BA1 2LN (http://195.112.16.2:100/TEXTSEARCH?HostFile=AFDPCLU&PipType=1&LookUpPostcode=BA1+2LN&LookUpProperty=&UserCode=Guest&Password=Guest)
>
>looks like a normal street to me. Basement Flat, 4 Brock Street and
>4 Brock Street as separate addresses...
A 300 person multi-unit office block (classed as Small User/1 Household)
with a Small User/1 Household basement flat? This gets better by the
minute.
Stuart Campbell
Ian Collier wrote in message <16922-de...@comlab.ox.ac.uk>...
>Seems to me that the easiest solution would be for anyone reading this
>who lives in Bath to go 4 Brock St and find out whether it is an office
>block - and, if it is, to see whether there is a list of businesses which
>currently occupies it.
Oh great. Scary stalkers outside the front door now. Just glancing out of
the door, other businesses at this address include Tig Comms, Bath City Lets
(which alone receives mail addressed to many dozens of different people),
Art Of Africa, an unnamed Reflexology Clinic and PJ Palmer, Architect. Feel
free to look them up or call Directory fucking Enquiries.
>At least we seem to have confirmed that Mr Campbell, Bingo And Bongo, and
>Rocketship work out of the same office block even if they are unconnected.
God Almighty. "We" haven't "confirmed" that at all - the ONLY Bingo And
Bongo connection to this address is that they use the domain I registered
for them as a favour, and which is hence registered to my office address. I
actually have no idea whereabouts in the country they are.
Posting abuse on newsgroups, posting lies on websites, posting my address
and phone number in public, and now encouraging people to come and nose
around my place of business... this is beginning to border on harassment.
Remind me never, ever to support any efforts to save the Speccy emulation
scene again. Furthermore, if I find any of you outside my door, be warned
that I'll smash your heads off the railings first and ask questions later.
You can't be too careful these days. There are some scary people out there.
Ian Collier
>your computer
No, not with *his* newsreader he can't. :-)
Adam Lounds
>The Starglider entertained comp.sys.sinclair with the following story:
>>What with an address like that? Don't make me laugh. If it was a huge
>>office block it would not just have the number 4. It would either have a
>>building name to distinguish it, or at least be several numbers.
>Seems to me that the easiest solution would be for anyone reading this
>who lives in Bath to go 4 Brock St and find out whether it is an office
>block - and, if it is, to see whether there is a list of businesses which
>currently occupies it.
>Failing that, if anyone has a post code searching program, see what comes
>up for "BA1 2LN". If the building is a big office block it should probably
>have a post code to itself.
looks like a normal street to me. Basement Flat, 4 Brock Street and
4 Brock Street as separate addresses...
Still not convinced myself. I've always had respect for Stu and the
AP gang.
Ian Collier
>What with an address like that? Don't make me laugh. If it was a huge
>office block it would not just have the number 4. It would either have a
>building name to distinguish it, or at least be several numbers.
Seems to me that the easiest solution would be for anyone reading this
who lives in Bath to go 4 Brock St and find out whether it is an office
block - and, if it is, to see whether there is a list of businesses which
currently occupies it.
Failing that, if anyone has a post code searching program, see what comes
up for "BA1 2LN". If the building is a big office block it should probably
have a post code to itself.
At least we seem to have confirmed that Mr Campbell, Bingo And Bongo, and
Rocketship work out of the same office block even if they are unconnected.
The Starglider
<i...@comlab.ox.ac.uk> writes
>At least we seem to have confirmed that Mr Campbell, Bingo And Bongo, and
>Rocketship work out of the same office block even if they are unconnected.
are bloody annoying!
lo...@my.sig
: Remind me never, ever to support any efforts to save the Speccy emulation
: scene again. Furthermore, if I find any of you outside my door, be warned
: that I'll smash your heads off the railings first and ask questions later.
: You can't be too careful these days. There are some scary people out there.
1> You started the abusive part of the thread, totally unprovoked.
2> You were the one who kept coming out with rubbish like "If there's one
piece of software for an emulator that's illegal, then the emulator is,
when in fact, the opposite is true.
In other words, just end this thread NOW and stop dragging it on!
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Nathan Wain
<utterly missed point>
Elastic bands? Oh come now. Any modern business-person, as I'm sure
you are well aware, has replaced all use of elastic-bands with the
much less-practical and more environmentally unfriendly plastic mega-
paper-clip. (Y'know the really big ones, with the cool bright colours.)
It enables the letters to fall-out, become misplaced, or even enables
the aquisition on other unrelated letters if it's together with other
bunches of 'em. And, most importantly, they're really really big, and
really really bright. (It's one of those things that is irresistable
to modern authoritarian male-dominated management... basically it's a
male-thing. ...I doubt the Post-office could resist this.)
</utterly missed point>
> Oh, never mind.
Well, I didn't, until you mentioned those elastic-band things.
Honestly. Where would our economy be with all this unchecked
use of elastic bands. Bankrupt I tell you! Now those big paper
clip things, you can't go wrong with those...
(Um, what was that point you mentioned again?)
Nathan.
go...@nospam.gonadovision.demon.co.uk
>Seems to me that the easiest solution would be for anyone reading this
>who lives in Bath to go 4 Brock St and find out whether it is an office
>block - and, if it is, to see whether there is a list of businesses which
>currently occupies it.
>Failing that, if anyone has a post code searching program, see what comes
>up for "BA1 2LN". If the building is a big office block it should probably
>have a post code to itself.
>At least we seem to have confirmed that Mr Campbell, Bingo And Bongo, and
>Rocketship work out of the same office block even if they are unconnected.
Which is good enough for me.... The evidence is building up, and I have
to say I am amazed by the amount of 'benefit of the doubt' that people
on here are willing to give...
What's next? "I never posted that, BingoandBongo must have broken into
my 'office' and posted from the same PC?
The minute Rocketshit were mentioned as having ANY connection with this,
I was prepared to believe Damien, and I think people have been a bit
harsh on him, after all the work he has put in on this - does anyone
here really want to take the risk of being associated with Rocketshit,
someone we KNOW to have been making a profit from selling illegal CDs,
on a 'Save the emulation scene' crusade?
The onus is not on Damien to prove the association, but rather on Stuart
to disprove it, for me the series of 'cioncidences' is just a little too
much...
GtB
Stuart Campbell
>>At least we seem to have confirmed that Mr Campbell, Bingo And Bongo, and
>>Rocketship work out of the same office block even if they are unconnected.
>
>Which is good enough for me.... The evidence is building up, and I have
>to say I am amazed by the amount of 'benefit of the doubt' that people
>on here are willing to give...
Hang on - Damien has already admitted that I'm NOT Norman from Rocketship.
We've also seen that there's absolutely no evidence of ANY connection
between Bingo and Bongo and my address other than the obvious one that *I
announced myself 50-odd messages ago* (I registered a domain for them to
use - since I can do it for free, as a favour - which would then OBVIOUSLY
be registered to my address). I've NEVER tried to hide the latter fact - I
brought it up a LONG time before Damien "discovered" it. Pretty slim
"evidence", really, isn't it?
>What's next? "I never posted that, BingoandBongo must have broken into
>my 'office' and posted from the same PC?
>The onus is not on Damien to prove the association, but rather on Stuart
>to disprove it,
No it isn't. I've done nothing wrong and have nothing to "defend". I've made
no allegations. You shouldn't call people thieves and liars and then not be
able to prove it beyond the odd tenuous and feeble coincidence. Damien knows
this perfectly well, which is why his website now hides behind weasel words
like "suspect". He's also offered not the slightest possible reason why I
might be doing all these bizarre and contradictory things. He's an idiot,
but you're the bigger idiot for believing his paranoid conspiracy theory.
Robert van der Veeke
<73i834$6oc$1...@plug.news.pipex.net>...
> No it isn't. I've done nothing wrong and have nothing to "defend". I've
made
> no allegations. You shouldn't call people thieves and liars and then not
be
> able to prove it beyond the odd tenuous and feeble coincidence. Damien
knows
> this perfectly well, which is why his website now hides behind weasel
words
> like "suspect". He's also offered not the slightest possible reason why I
> might be doing all these bizarre and contradictory things. He's an idiot,
> but you're the bigger idiot for believing his paranoid conspiracy theory.
It is much safer to say that "I think that you are a lair", instead of
saying "That you are a lair".
And I think that you started this ISDA thing being Bongo, and that the sole
purpose of this thread and CLEAR is to damage the Spectrum Emulation scene.
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Chris Young
>
>Ian Collier wrote in message <16922-de...@comlab.ox.ac.uk>...
>
>>Seems to me that the easiest solution would be for anyone reading this
>>who lives in Bath to go 4 Brock St and find out whether it is an office
>>block - and, if it is, to see whether there is a list of businesses which
>>currently occupies it.
>
>
>Oh great. Scary stalkers outside the front door now. Just glancing out of
>the door, other businesses at this address include Tig Comms, Bath City Lets
>(which alone receives mail addressed to many dozens of different people),
>Art Of Africa, an unnamed Reflexology Clinic and PJ Palmer, Architect. Feel
>free to look them up or call Directory fucking Enquiries.
CAN WE STOP THIS NOW, PLEASE?
http://yp.infospace.com/info/SearchYP?QD=UK&BR=2&BP=1&QL=&QH=&QN=bath+city+lets&BN=1
Letting Agents
Bath City Lets
01225 447744
4 Brock St
Bath, Somerset BA12LN
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Stuart Campbell
Robert van der Veeke wrote in message
<01be191b$4b06c9a0$ca1ac1c3@fuchikoma>...
[...]
[speechless]
A Brown
>God Almighty. "We" haven't "confirmed" that at all - the ONLY Bingo And
>Bongo connection to this address is that they use the domain I registered
>for them as a favour, and which is hence registered to my office address. I
>actually have no idea whereabouts in the country they are.
Right, so one day, someone wanders into your 'office' and says "Hi, my
name is Bingo and Bongo, please set me up with a domain name for free as
a favour, and redirect my mail to one of your accounts. I am not telling
you my name or anything else about me"
and you said "Okay mate, no problem"
Fair enough, maybe you are a really nice guy after all, always happy to
meet new people and help them out in any way that you can....
oh wait a minute, what's this...?
>Furthermore, if I find any of you outside my door, be warned
>that I'll smash your heads off the railings
You my friend, have a serious personality disorder, bordering on schizophrenia
and I suggest that you seek psychiatric advice as quickly as possible,
oh and avoid using the internet until it gets sorted out.
If you go out the house, make a tinfoil hat before you go, and wear it
at all times, it blocks their mind-control rays you know.....
GtB
Robert van der Veeke
>
> God Almighty. "We" haven't "confirmed" that at all - the ONLY Bingo And
> Bongo connection to this address is that they use the domain I registered
> for them as a favour, and which is hence registered to my office address.
I
> actually have no idea whereabouts in the country they are.
That is quite stupid then. what are you going to do if bingoandbongo
appears to be involved in illegal activities like distributing pirated
software?
> Posting abuse on newsgroups, posting lies on websites, posting my address
> and phone number in public, and now encouraging people to come and nose
> around my place of business... this is beginning to border on harassment.
Type in bingoandbongo and hey presto everyone has your adress. So go sue
Internic will ya for providing the public with that adress. And by the way
there is only a court-order that could prevent me getting near your office,
or Brock St. has to be private property.
BTW: Some a rather intresting point from the regulations of Easypost.com
where bingoandbongo is located:
"Your login account is for your personal use only" And you don't even know
the whereabouts of Bingoandbongo in your own country, yet you was willing
to set up that account for them under your own name.
Adam Lounds
>i...@comlab.ox.ac.uk (Ian Collier) writes:
>>Seems to me that the easiest solution would be for anyone reading this
>>who lives in Bath to go 4 Brock St and find out whether it is an office
>>block - and, if it is, to see whether there is a list of businesses which
>>currently occupies it.
>>Failing that, if anyone has a post code searching program, see what comes
>>up for "BA1 2LN". If the building is a big office block it should probably
>>have a post code to itself.
>>At least we seem to have confirmed that Mr Campbell, Bingo And Bongo, and
>>Rocketship work out of the same office block even if they are unconnected.
>Which is good enough for me.... The evidence is building up, and I have
>to say I am amazed by the amount of 'benefit of the doubt' that people
>on here are willing to give...
>What's next? "I never posted that, BingoandBongo must have broken into
>my 'office' and posted from the same PC?
>The minute Rocketshit were mentioned as having ANY connection with this,
>I was prepared to believe Damien, and I think people have been a bit
>harsh on him, after all the work he has put in on this - does anyone
>here really want to take the risk of being associated with Rocketshit,
>someone we KNOW to have been making a profit from selling illegal CDs,
>on a 'Save the emulation scene' crusade?
>The onus is not on Damien to prove the association, but rather on Stuart
>to disprove it, for me the series of 'cioncidences' is just a little too
>much...
No no no no no. Innocent until proven guilty and all that. Until
someone (other than Stu, natch) can check out the address in Bath,
you're all jumping the gun. Bath is full of tall buildings which
may have once been "individual" houses but are converted to
offices. Future Publishing seem to occupy half of them...
Adam Lounds
>On Wed, 25 Nov 1998, Stuart Campbell wrote:
>> Good grief. I had no idea so many people were interested in my office postal
>> system.
>>
>> Adam Lounds wrote in message ...
>>
>> >In which case your ISP has not registered the domain correctly with
>> >internic, as they have not used the full postal address. Unless you
>> >have post delivered to pigeonholes, which I find hard to believe.
>>
>> Not even so high-tech - it comes straight in through the main letter box
>> "sorted" by the Post Office in elastic bands according to addressee/company.
>> Since I'm the only person in my "company", there's no need to clarify the
>> address any further, so in fact it's perfectly "full". Any remote danger of
>> getting back to the point, which I seem to recall was something about Speccy
>> gamesites being closed down?
><utterly missed point>
>Elastic bands? Oh come now. Any modern business-person, as I'm sure
>you are well aware, has replaced all use of elastic-bands with the
>much less-practical and more environmentally unfriendly plastic mega-
>paper-clip. (Y'know the really big ones, with the cool bright colours.)
Ooooh no. Elastic bands. You can't fool with tradition. Office spods
the world over are constructing huge elastic band balls from
each day's post, ready for when the time comes to throw them out of a
high window and see how high they bounce.
Paper clips indeed.
Ian Collier
>Ian Collier wrote in message <16922-de...@comlab.ox.ac.uk>...
>>Seems to me that the easiest solution would be for anyone reading this
>>who lives in Bath to go 4 Brock St and find out whether it is an office
>>block - and, if it is, to see whether there is a list of businesses which
>>currently occupies it.
>Oh great. Scary stalkers outside the front door now.
Nope. The only person who has shown threatening behaviour is you.
And it's not as if anyone has posted your home address in Radstock
now is it?
>>At least we seem to have confirmed that Mr Campbell, Bingo And Bongo, and
>>Rocketship work out of the same office block even if they are unconnected.
>
>God Almighty. "We" haven't "confirmed" that at all - the ONLY Bingo And
>Bongo connection to this address is that they use the domain I registered
>for them as a favour, and which is hence registered to my office address. I
>actually have no idea whereabouts in the country they are.
My mistake. I appear to have got a little carried away there.
So do you actually know who "Bingo And Bongo" is? If not then why are you
so trusting of them? If you do then you might like to suggest to them that
CLEAr would probably have a bit more credibility with the IDSA if it were
fronted by a real, onymous person. What is Mr Bongo so afraid of that he
hides his identity like that?
> Furthermore, if I find any of you outside my door, be warned
>that I'll smash your heads off the railings first and ask questions later.
Really. And how will you know who we are? And what business of yours is
it if I decide to nip down to Art Of Africa to look for some Christmas
gifts?
Ian Collier
>On 24 Nov 1998 14:45:02 GMT, i...@comlab.ox.ac.uk (Ian Collier) wrote:
>>together with the words "Cut-and-paste this letter and send it to IDSA -
>>5 seconds of effort to help save the whole emulation scene" in capitals.
>>If that's not encouraging people to send lots of identical letters I don't
>>know what is.
>From CLEAR's web page:
><begin quote>
> If you cut and paste the sample letter, or
>******************
>simply use its points as a general guide for a totally different letter,
>adding or subtracting any thoughts of your own that are relevant (PLEASE don't
>
>******************
>flame, as it'll only harden their attitude), and mail it to them, it's very
>possible that we can get them to stop throwing their weight around in such a
>clumsy and irrational way.
I am well aware of what it says. However, the text I quoted is in capitals
in a large font and, human nature being what it is, I suspect that the
majority of visitors to that site will take the "5 seconds" approach
rather than the one that is more likely to make a difference.
lo...@my.sig
: It is much safer to say that "I think that you are a lair", instead of
: saying "That you are a lair".
Hmmm... What type of Lair would that be.... ?
Dragons Lair? Smugglers Lair...
(THWAP Ed)
OW!
Sorry, I couldn't help myself.
<Yeh, we believe you... Ed)
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Chris Young
>Until
>someone (other than Stu, natch) can check out the address in Bath,
>you're all jumping the gun. Bath is full of tall buildings which
>may have once been "individual" houses but are converted to
>offices.
As I have already proved, "Bath City Lets" are at that address (don't
know about the other ones Stu mentioned; I couldn't find them), and
unless that *is* where he works I see no reason why there can't be
other companies at the same address.
Chris
Stuart Campbell
Ian Collier wrote in message <16943-s...@comlab.ox.ac.uk>...
>Nope. The only person who has shown threatening behaviour is you.
>And it's not as if anyone has posted your home address in Radstock
>now is it?
Radstock?
>My mistake. I appear to have got a little carried away there.
Goodness me. Someone who actually listens to the facts, at least.
>So do you actually know who "Bingo And Bongo" is? If not then why are you
>so trusting of them?
Because I've so far had no reason not to be. Also, since the domain is
registered to me and I know all the (unchangeable) passwords etc, I can
exercise control, to the extent that if any monkey business starts which I
don't approve of, I can simply shut the whole thing down at a moment's
notice.
> If you do then you might like to suggest to them that
>CLEAr would probably have a bit more credibility with the IDSA if it were
>fronted by a real, onymous person. What is Mr Bongo so afraid of that he
>hides his identity like that?
You'd have to ask him.
>Really. And how will you know who we are? And what business of yours is
>it if I decide to nip down to Art Of Africa to look for some Christmas
>gifts?
Well, we'll all just have to take that chance, won't we?
Stuart Campbell
A Brown wrote in message <73jbmo$5ce$1...@scotsman.ed.ac.uk>...
>Right, so one day, someone wanders into your 'office'
In fact, two people, and an IRC chat room (#mame) rather than my office.
>name is Bingo and Bongo, please set me up with a domain name for free as
>a favour, and redirect my mail to one of your accounts. I am not telling
>you my name or anything else about me"
I do know their names, and I knew what they were doing. They didn't ask for
the domain, I offered it in support of the campaign, as my contribution to
something I thought was a good idea.
deKay
> In article <73fd6r$i13$1...@plug.news.pipex.net>, Stuart Campbell
> <thumbs...@dial.pipex.com> writes
> >whose address this huge block of rented office units is? Nothing would
> >surprise me.
> office block it would not just have the number 4. It would either have a
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https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.3861404,-2.3651191,3a,75y,215.45h,95.69t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sjMSi8g0yARzmfvL87Jeg2w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1
That's 4 Brock Street there. As you can see, CLEARly (oh-ho!) a set of office units to house "300" people. Oh wait, it isn't.
Unless of course, it was back in 1998 and they've knocked it down and built that terrribly modern building there instead. Oh wait, they haven't.
(Just in case you're wondering what the hell I'm on about, which I realise is often the case, this is about St*t C*pbell insisting that he and Rocketsh*p "residing" at this address is coincidence - https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/comp.sys.sinclair/1IYQEKnxSdo/cPyfBiMG-MUJ )
Duncan Snowden
deKay <dek...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Interesting, isn't it, now that we have Google Maps:
>
> https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.3861404,-2.3651191,3a,75y,215.45h,95.69t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sjMSi8g0yARzmfvL87Jeg2w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1
>
> That's 4 Brock Street there. As you can see, CLEARly (oh-ho!) a set
> of office units to house "300" people. Oh wait, it isn't.
>
> Unless of course, it was back in 1998 and they've knocked it down and
> built that terrribly modern building there instead. Oh wait, they
> haven't.
But, given the prominence to which Campbell has risen over the last few
years outside of computery-gamey circles, anything that gives his
credibility a much-needed boot to the fleshy parts is perfectly fine by
me.
--
Duncan Snowden.
deKay
2015 00:39:41 +0100, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do comp.sys.sinclair,
yawatina tan reek esk Duncan Snowden <dunc...@talktalk.net> fornis do
marikano es bono tan el:
think - hang on, SC *was* Rocketsh*p, right? So I checked, and found this
thread. And thought, we've Google Maps now...
gtbf...@gmail.com
What is a surprise, is that nearly 20 years on, we're not all dead.
longshanker
> On Wednesday, 25 November 1998 08:00:00 UTC, The Starglider wrote:
> > In article <73fd6r$i13$1...@plug.news.pipex.net>, Stuart Campbell
> > <thumbs...@dial.pipex.com> writes
> > >Goodness, yes. And I suppose I'm also all of the 300 or so other people
> > >whose address this huge block of rented office units is? Nothing would
> > >surprise me.
>
>
> https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.3861404,-2.3651191,3a,75y,215.45h,95.69t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sjMSi8g0yARzmfvL87Jeg2w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1
>
> That's 4 Brock Street there. As you can see, CLEARly (oh-ho!) a set of office units to house "300" people. Oh wait, it isn't.
>
> Unless of course, it was back in 1998 and they've knocked it down and built that terrribly modern building there instead. Oh wait, they haven't.
>
I'm still trying to work out why Stuart would call it a "huge block of rented office units". But I'm sure there's some kind of logical reason for that.
Incidentally, do you know if Damian Burke still happens to be posting elsewhere? I'd quite like to have a chat with him.
Longshanker