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Michael Schmidt

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Oct 18, 2003, 1:54:53 PM10/18/03
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Wolfgang Szoecs

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Oct 18, 2003, 2:41:17 PM10/18/03
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In article <3F917E6D...@machtnix.net>,
Michael Schmidt <use...@machtnix.net> writes:
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> Look here:
>
> ftp://oss.sgi.com/projects/mozilla/download/irix/1.5b/

BTW anyone made a 0.7 version of mozilla-firebird ?
I just tried out 0.6 on IRIX (and 0.7 on Linux), and I never
want to use Mozilla any more ;-)

Wolfgang

Timo Kanera

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Oct 18, 2003, 2:58:53 PM10/18/03
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In article <bms1gd$2vqs$1...@bongo.munich.sgi.com>,

wo...@engr.sgi.com (Wolfgang Szoecs) writes:

> BTW anyone made a 0.7 version of mozilla-firebird ?
> I just tried out 0.6 on IRIX (and 0.7 on Linux), and I never
> want to use Mozilla any more ;-)

a 0.7 build was announced on nekochan.net today:

http://www.nekochan.net/downloads/firebird_07.tar.bz2

I didn't test that one, as I did my own build two days ago.
MipsPro still seems to break Mozilla with more than -O1 *sigh*
so I decided to go with an optimized gcc-build instead.. quite
a bit more snappy.

so long,
Timo

--
Timo Kanera <ti...@kanera.de> . GPG Key-ID: 1024D/30CDB412


Colin Anderson

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Oct 19, 2003, 9:01:14 PM10/19/03
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ti...@kanera.de (Timo Kanera) wrote in message news:<d4f861-k...@tankgirl.local.kanera.de>...

> In article <bms1gd$2vqs$1...@bongo.munich.sgi.com>,
> wo...@engr.sgi.com (Wolfgang Szoecs) writes:
>
> > BTW anyone made a 0.7 version of mozilla-firebird ?
> > I just tried out 0.6 on IRIX (and 0.7 on Linux), and I never
> > want to use Mozilla any more ;-)
>
> a 0.7 build was announced on nekochan.net today:
>
> http://www.nekochan.net/downloads/firebird_07.tar.bz2
>
> I didn't test that one, as I did my own build two days ago.
> MipsPro still seems to break Mozilla with more than -O1 *sigh*
> so I decided to go with an optimized gcc-build instead.. quite
> a bit more snappy.

What level of optimization did you use with gcc?

How does 0.7 feel compared to 0.6? Some folks say it's a bit faster,
other say a bit slower! Maybe they're pretty close and the difference
comes from the compiler optimizations?

I'm still using 0.6 on IRIX and 0.61 on Solaris and Windows.

Walter Roberson

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Oct 19, 2003, 9:22:34 PM10/19/03
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In article <d4f861-k...@tankgirl.local.kanera.de>,
Timo Kanera <ti...@kanera.de> wrote:
:a 0.7 build was announced on nekochan.net today:

:http://www.nekochan.net/downloads/firebird_07.tar.bz2

Dang, -mips4 :(
--
I've been working on a kernel
All the livelong night.
I've been working on a kernel
And it still won't work quite right. -- J. Benson & J. Doll

Wolfgang Szoecs

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Oct 21, 2003, 4:01:17 AM10/21/03
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In article <66ce502.03101...@posting.google.com>,
co...@beyondboxes.com (Colin Anderson) writes:

> How does 0.7 feel compared to 0.6? Some folks say it's a bit faster,
> other say a bit slower! Maybe they're pretty close and the difference
> comes from the compiler optimizations?

IMO - now after several days of use (0.6 and 0.7) on IRIX and Linux:

the browser itself is dog slow !
Esp. the GUI itself isn't very responsive compared to mozilla.
But the available and customizable functionality still makes it worth to use.

Wolfgang

hamei

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Nov 1, 2003, 2:51:46 AM11/1/03
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Michael Schmidt wrote:
> Look here:
>
> ftp://oss.sgi.com/projects/mozilla/download/irix/1.5b/
>


Thunderbird is not too bad. Quite a bit slower than
Sylpheed but a little nicer-looking (how does one get
Buffy into these SGI-produced binaries ?) AND it will
display Chinese text. Yippee ! The junk mail handling
is interesting also. On a 360 mhz Octane it's fairly
pleasant. Worth a try, guys.

Ivan Rayner

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Nov 1, 2003, 8:09:09 AM11/1/03
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hamei <ha...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> Michael Schmidt wrote:
>> Look here:
>> ftp://oss.sgi.com/projects/mozilla/download/irix/1.5b/
>
> Thunderbird is not too bad. Quite a bit slower than
> Sylpheed but a little nicer-looking

Have you tried Sylpheed-Claws with the Sylzilla theme? Looks pretty
good to me.

Btw, I'm in the process of making Sylpheed-Claws 0.9.6 with a bunch of
themes available in IRIX freeware (assuming I get time to finish it).

Ivan
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Ivan Rayner
iv...@sgi.com

hamei

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Nov 1, 2003, 9:26:16 AM11/1/03
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Ivan Rayner wrote:

>
> Have you tried Sylpheed-Claws with the Sylzilla theme? Looks pretty
> good to me.
>
> Btw, I'm in the process of making Sylpheed-Claws 0.9.6 with a bunch of
> themes available in IRIX freeware (assuming I get time to finish it).
>
> Ivan


Hmm, no ... but I'm more than willing to try it ! Only thing is ...
how is your new Sylpheed at displaying foreign languages, specifically
DBCS character sets ? I just tried 0.8.3 with no success :-(

and while we're on the subject ... SGI sells computers here in China.
What's the situation with alternate input methods ? I know there's the
Worldkit or whatever its name is, but what we need is just an input
method, not to change the entire system to characters ....

pretty nice that you're doing a newer Sylpheed tho. It's a decent mail
client. Thanks ....

Ivan Rayner

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Nov 1, 2003, 8:12:32 PM11/1/03
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hamei <ha...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> Ivan Rayner wrote:
>> Have you tried Sylpheed-Claws with the Sylzilla theme? Looks pretty
>> good to me.
>>
>> Btw, I'm in the process of making Sylpheed-Claws 0.9.6 with a bunch of
>> themes available in IRIX freeware (assuming I get time to finish it).
>
>
> Hmm, no ... but I'm more than willing to try it ! Only thing is ...
> how is your new Sylpheed at displaying foreign languages, specifically
> DBCS character sets ? I just tried 0.8.3 with no success :-(
>
> and while we're on the subject ... SGI sells computers here in China.
> What's the situation with alternate input methods ? I know there's the
> Worldkit or whatever its name is, but what we need is just an input
> method, not to change the entire system to characters ....

Being a typical arrogant English speaker(*), I know nothing about other
languages so I can't answer your questions.

> pretty nice that you're doing a newer Sylpheed tho. It's a decent mail
> client. Thanks ....

No problem. I'll see what I can do to test it with some non-english
locales.


Ivan

* At least I'm not American. :)

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Ivan Rayner
iv...@sgi.com

hamei

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Nov 2, 2003, 12:14:54 AM11/2/03
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Ivan Rayner wrote:

> No problem. I'll see what I can do to test it with some non-english
> locales.

I can email you with a sample of simplified Chinese if you'd like ...
this works in Tundraboid if you start it from a terminal preceded by
the command < xset +fp /usr/freeware/share/emacs/fonts > and have the
international fonts from freeware installed. I've tried creating an
.xsessions file (per the freeware suggestions) with this in it, but
when I do that I get into an infinite loop at the login screen ...
Thunderbird, at least on an r12-360 6.5.17 Octane, is kind of a dog -
but it works, so .....


> * At least I'm not American. :)
>

Very sad that this is now a compliment :-( George W and his crew
just have one heck of a lot to answer for, imo. Once upon a time
the average American was not a fascist :-(

Someone shy also wrote me that :

> The current version of Sylpheed is 9.7, go to sylpheed.good-day.
> net and upgrade. I've found that Sylpheed compiles easily on IRIX
> with MIPSpro.


the only part I'm short is the MIPSpro (and maybe the brains to
drive it !) but ... doesn't answer the question about foreign
languages ... is Sylpheed a Unicode app ? How does Irix itself
deal with character sets ? Codepages or Unicode ?

SkyWriter

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Nov 2, 2003, 10:16:24 AM11/2/03
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hamei wrote:

> .....
>
> > * At least I'm not American. :)
> >
>
> Very sad that this is now a compliment :-( George W and his crew
> just have one heck of a lot to answer for, imo. Once upon a time
> the average American was not a fascist :-(
>

hammy, you need a healthy dose of "HAPPY TREE FRIENDS".

hamei

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Nov 2, 2003, 8:54:22 PM11/2/03
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SkyWriter wrote:

>
> hammy, you need a healthy dose of "HAPPY TREE FRIENDS".
>


You're right, that always worked ... but then I had to come back
to Marin County Yuppy Society and the happiness all went away.

So I moved to China. It's pretty good here. I am not surrounded
by aggressive fascist and nuevo-nazi militarists, which makes most
of my views of the US into kinda pleasant nostalgia. Most people
in Asia have *very* different feelings towards the US than they
did a few years ago - with good reason. Invading other countries
under false pretenses is not acceptable behaviour.

I liked the late sixties and early seventies ....

Anyway, Thunderbird from SGI is kinda jerky in operation
but not too bad *and* it works very well with DBCS mail.
I hope our upcoming Sylpheed-Claws does the same because
the slowth of T-bird isn't that great. The junk mail handling
is interesting, tho. For a graphical mail and news client I'd
recommend taking a look (if you have a fairly fast machine.)

SkyWriter

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Nov 3, 2003, 12:55:29 PM11/3/03
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hamei <ha...@pacbell.net> wrote in message news:<bo4btr$1862fa$1...@ID-212607.news.uni-berlin.de>...

> SkyWriter wrote:
>
> >
> > hammy, you need a healthy dose of "HAPPY TREE FRIENDS".
> >
>
>
> You're right, that always worked ... but then I had to come back
> to Marin County Yuppy Society and the happiness all went away.
>
> So I moved to China. It's pretty good here. I am not surrounded
> by aggressive fascist and nuevo-nazi militarists, which makes most
> of my views of the US into kinda pleasant nostalgia. Most people
> in Asia have *very* different feelings towards the US than they
> did a few years ago - with good reason. Invading other countries
> under false pretenses is not acceptable behaviour.

wow you have strong feelings, too bad their mostly fed by propoganda.
I suppose if America retreated behind it's borders again, China could
pursue it's old imperialistic urges...., but then you'd have to move
again.

as long as you're whitewashing everyone, remember less than 1/2
of americans even voted for GWB. but that would spoil your rhetoric.

> I liked the late sixties and early seventies ....

ok, now i got you pegged.

hamei

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Nov 3, 2003, 8:22:26 PM11/3/03
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SkyWriter wrote:
> hamei <ha...@pacbell.net> wrote in message news:<bo4btr$1862fa$1...@ID-212607.news.uni-berlin.de>...
>
>>SkyWriter wrote:
>>

>>So I moved to China. It's pretty good here.

> wow you have strong feelings,

that's because I am alive. In a few more years them feelings
will kinda calm down, underground :-)


> too bad their mostly fed by propoganda.

The first statement of an nonthinking person. You don't know
anything about me or my situation or experiences but you leap
to the excuse that my ideas are "fed by propaganda."

In fact, the propaganda I have been fed was by the American
propaganda machine, throughout my life. There is none better
today - Herr Goering would be enthralled. My experiences of
China have all been first-hand *personal* ones. Nor did I
start out with any big imaginary love for Asia - I took
a short contract job here and becasme entranced by what I
*saw* in Real Life (tm), not propaganda. Guess what ? In many
ways life in China is much harder than the US ... but better.
That's not propaganda, that's personal experience. That's why
I emigrated. People and life in Chian are better than in Marin
County California, Yuppy Capital of the World.

One of the most common sayings of egocentric Americans (not
you necessarily, just in general) is "if it's so great in XYZ
why aren't people fighting to move there ?" Well, there are
two possibilities. One is that Americans really are mindless
consumerist fascists, and the other is that they don't know
any better. I found out better by accident ... but chose to
do something about it. I moved "there."

Sorry, it's not propaganda.


> I suppose if America retreated behind it's borders again, China could
> pursue it's old imperialistic urges....,


Obviously you've never read any History. Chinese history extends
about 4,000 years. Imperialistic they have never been. Sorry. My
own theory is that they're too busy chasing girls to be imperialists,
but in fact China has not been militaristic since the Tang dynasty.
Sorry, you are mistaken in that claim as well.

> but then you'd have to move
> again.

Conjecture, based on fascist propaganda. Sorry for you ...


> as long as you're whitewashing everyone, remember less than 1/2
> of americans even voted for GWB. but that would spoil your rhetoric.

But since then the *&^%$ people we elected to Congress have done
absolutely NOTHING to rein in the Bush administration's fascist
program. Nothing. To tell the truth, THOSE are the people whom we
should blame. There was a reason to have three separate branches
of government :-(


>
>>I liked the late sixties and early seventies ....
>
>
> ok, now i got you pegged.

Why ? You have something against idealism ? Freedom ? Equality ?
Equal rights for all people ? Quicksilver Messenger Service and
Janis Joplin ? Yes, I guess I'm pegged all right ... I'd like the
world to become a *better* place, not a more hate-filled one.
Sorry about that ....

SkyWriter

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Nov 3, 2003, 8:49:32 PM11/3/03
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hamei wrote:

> Why ? You have something against idealism ? Freedom ? Equality ?
> Equal rights for all people ? Quicksilver Messenger Service and
> Janis Joplin ? Yes, I guess I'm pegged all right ... I'd like the
> world to become a *better* place, not a more hate-filled one.
> Sorry about that ....

blah blah blah, another thread goes nowhere. oh well.


hamei

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Nov 4, 2003, 12:11:43 AM11/4/03
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yeah, well *you* are the one who had to go making personal
comments, so .... quit yer bitchin' when someone defends
their point of view. And I marked it OT when it got too OT.

So quit snivelling and grow up. You whine like a linuxxer.

SkyWriter

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Nov 4, 2003, 7:30:25 AM11/4/03
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hamei wrote:

sorry, when it's more than two lines to say anything, i get bored.

>
> So quit snivelling and grow up. You whine like a linuxxer.

now that hurt so much it's funny. another funny thing, i was able to
actually get a SGI 330 to work with linux. astounding.

hamei

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Nov 4, 2003, 8:01:06 AM11/4/03
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SkyWriter wrote:

> sorry, when it's more than two lines to say anything, i get bored.

oh. that's different. boredom is okay.


> now that hurt so much it's funny. another funny thing, i was able to
> actually get a SGI 330 to work with linux. astounding.
>

Now THAT'S boring ! How about snagging the info for the 320-540
graphics setup so that something like BeOS could run on it, tho ?
The 330 is just another piece of trash, but the 320 would be fun
with a real os ....

SkyWriter

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Nov 4, 2003, 1:16:39 PM11/4/03
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hamei <ha...@pacbell.net> wrote in message news:<bo87d3$1a6avb$1...@ID-212607.news.uni-berlin.de>...

> SkyWriter wrote:
>
> > sorry, when it's more than two lines to say anything, i get bored.
>
> oh. that's different. boredom is okay.
>

see, i knew we could come to an agreement at some point.

>
> > now that hurt so much it's funny. another funny thing, i was able to
> > actually get a SGI 330 to work with linux. astounding.
> >
>
> Now THAT'S boring ! How about snagging the info for the 320-540
> graphics setup so that something like BeOS could run on it, tho ?
> The 330 is just another piece of trash, but the 320 would be fun
> with a real os ....

oh, i have a 320, with win2k, and premiere 5.1c, it was a piece of cake.
as for real os's... who needs graphics! MVS or VMS take your pick.

if only i lived where domestic solar power made sense.

Thomas Jahns

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Nov 4, 2003, 6:09:32 AM11/4/03
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hamei <ha...@pacbell.net> writes:
> Obviously you've never read any History. Chinese history extends
> about 4,000 years. Imperialistic they have never been. Sorry. My
> own theory is that they're too busy chasing girls to be imperialists,
> but in fact China has not been militaristic since the Tang dynasty.

So regularly invading neighbouring countries is not imperialistic?
IIRC the last invasion of Vietnam was 1979. And the military actions
in Tibet and Korea were of course not imperialistic at all. And let's
not forget that the situation of continental China and Taiwan has been
"tense" for 50 years now.

And I don't think there is any need to go back to 900 A.D. to find
signs of militarism in China.

Thomas Jahns
--
"Computers are good at following instructions,
but not at reading your mind."
D. E. Knuth, The TeXbook, Addison-Wesley 1984, 1986, 1996, p. 9

Axel Dunstan

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Nov 4, 2003, 7:07:37 PM11/4/03
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I REALLY like how people conveniently forget Tiananmen Square
when praising China's many virtues.
Virtues like communism, corruption, fear, hypocrisy, apathy,
you can add more if you like, hamei.
You would know better than I.
Though I hear it is getting better.
Capitalism is springing up everywhere there.
They really do like those Imperialist US dollars we send them.
Is Mao spinning in his grave yet?
If I recall correctly, about 70% of all the dissidents
there were either executed, or sent to prison for life.
Please correct me if I'm wrong on that number.
But it doesn't really matter how far off I am.
The fact remains that those "traitors" died or were left to rot
forever for just expressing themselves against the virtuous revolutionary
might
of Mao's PLA.
Those tanks were sure heavy, weren't they, hamei?
Strawberry jam, with bones mixed in.
That's how they looked like after the tanks rolled over them while
they slept.
Did you know that there are yuppies in China as well?

The US is fascist?
Whatever.

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hamei

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Nov 5, 2003, 12:18:44 AM11/5/03
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Thomas Jahns wrote:

> And let's
> not forget that the situation of continental China and Taiwan has been
> "tense" for 50 years now.


Most of this stuff is not worth replying to but here's something
all you rednecks need to understand : Taiwan has been part of China
since 1945 when the UNITED STATES ended WW II and wrote that into
the treaty. WE, the US, on the battleship Missouri, decided that
Taiwan belonged to China.

At the time we were certain that Jiang would win the civil war so
it made sense. Well, Jiang did not win - but the treaty stands.
WE decided that Taiwan and China are one country, so too bloody
bad for all your b.s. on the subject. Taiwan has officially been
a province of China since 1945 and without the interference of
the treacherous oath-breaking United States that treaty would
have been effected decades ago. Think American Indians for a few
more examples of the honor of the United States :-(

You can take this Taiwan stuff and put it where the sun don't
shine. It is the United States which is entirely in the wrong.

Ivan Rayner

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Nov 6, 2003, 7:21:35 PM11/6/03
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hamei <ha...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> Ivan Rayner wrote:
>
>> No problem. I'll see what I can do to test it with some non-english
>> locales.
>
> I can email you with a sample of simplified Chinese if you'd like ...
> this works in Tundraboid if you start it from a terminal preceded by
> the command < xset +fp /usr/freeware/share/emacs/fonts > and have the
> international fonts from freeware installed. I've tried creating an
> .xsessions file (per the freeware suggestions) with this in it, but
> when I do that I get into an infinite loop at the login screen ...

I've uploaded the latest fw_sylpheed build to reality so that you, or
others, can try it out:

http://reality.exsgi.org/ivanr/fw_sylpheed.tardist

I've not had a chance to see how well it handles Chinese or other
languages.

> Thunderbird, at least on an r12-360 6.5.17 Octane, is kind of a dog -
> but it works, so .....

Someone here has been compiling up the latest Thunderbird and Firebird, and I
must say he has improved the performance of Firebird a fair bit over the 0.6
version _and_ over the 0.7 version available from nekochan (I think it was).
I hope it sees the light of day at some point. (Still not as speedy as
Netscape 4.79 though :(

>> * At least I'm not American. :)
>
> Very sad that this is now a compliment :-( George W and his crew
> just have one heck of a lot to answer for, imo. Once upon a time
> the average American was not a fascist :-(

[Must remember, do not provoke hamei ... do not provoke hamei]

> Someone shy also wrote me that :
> > The current version of Sylpheed is 9.7, go to sylpheed.good-day.
> > net and upgrade. I've found that Sylpheed compiles easily on IRIX
> > with MIPSpro.

I've compiled up Sylpheed-Claws which has quite a few features that
Sylpheed-main does not have. Be warned however, that if you want to be able
to switch between the two, you may have to use some of the configuration and
filtering conversion scripts that have been included.

I've also added a feature that I find particularly useful. See the
relnotes for more info.

> the only part I'm short is the MIPSpro (and maybe the brains to
> drive it !)

It should compile very easily with gcc too. But of course, prepackaged
binaries are even easier...

Colin Anderson

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Nov 17, 2003, 12:00:07 AM11/17/03
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Ivan Rayner <iv...@sgi.com> wrote in message news:<slrnbqlpcf...@omen.melbourne.sgi.com>...

> Someone here has been compiling up the latest Thunderbird and Firebird, and I
> must say he has improved the performance of Firebird a fair bit over the 0.6
> version _and_ over the 0.7 version available from nekochan (I think it was).
> I hope it sees the light of day at some point. (Still not as speedy as
> Netscape 4.79 though :(

Any chance that build could be pushed out to oss or reality? I'm
currently using the 0.7 build from foetz/nekochan, it's a bit faster
than the 0.6 build from freeware. Any further performance boost would
be greatly appreciated!

Netscape 4.79/4.8 is fastest browser when it comes to segfaulting and
mis-rendering modern websites.

Ivan Rayner

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Nov 17, 2003, 1:47:11 AM11/17/03
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Colin Anderson <co...@beyondboxes.com> wrote:
> Ivan Rayner <iv...@sgi.com> wrote in message news:<slrnbqlpcf...@omen.melbourne.sgi.com>...
>> Someone here has been compiling up the latest Thunderbird and Firebird, and I
>> must say he has improved the performance of Firebird a fair bit over the 0.6
>> version _and_ over the 0.7 version available from nekochan (I think it was).
>> I hope it sees the light of day at some point. (Still not as speedy as
>> Netscape 4.79 though :(
>
> Any chance that build could be pushed out to oss or reality? I'm
> currently using the 0.7 build from foetz/nekochan, it's a bit faster
> than the 0.6 build from freeware. Any further performance boost would
> be greatly appreciated!

The plan AFAIK, is for it to be in the next freeware. I'll see about
oss or reality in the meantime...

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