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Kyonshi
Jan 27, 2024, 6:05:14 AM1/27/24
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I just installed a pihole (and a leafnode server) on a Pi Zero W I just
got. The Zero of course has only Wifi, but I was thinking if for network
stability it might not be better to just use a USB to Ethernet converter
to connect it directly to the router.
Does that make sense? I mostly am thinking it might be more stable than
having my local network DNS run over Wifi.
got. The Zero of course has only Wifi, but I was thinking if for network
stability it might not be better to just use a USB to Ethernet converter
to connect it directly to the router.
Does that make sense? I mostly am thinking it might be more stable than
having my local network DNS run over Wifi.
The Natural Philosopher
Jan 27, 2024, 6:33:29 AM1/27/24
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over wifi.
Id be tempted to substitute a Pi4 B or similar By the time you have
added all the extra hardware to the Zero....
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Kyonshi
Jan 27, 2024, 7:05:43 AM1/27/24
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On 1/27/2024 12:33 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 27/01/2024 10:52, Kyonshi wrote:
>> I just installed a pihole (and a leafnode server) on a Pi Zero W I
>> just got. The Zero of course has only Wifi, but I was thinking if for
>> network stability it might not be better to just use a USB to
>> Ethernet converter to connect it directly to the router. Does that
>> make sense? I mostly am thinking it might be more stable than having
>> my local network DNS run over Wifi.
>
> I wouldn't want to run anything that is critical to the whole network
> over wifi.
>
> Id be tempted to substitute a Pi4 B or similar By the time you have
> added all the extra hardware to the Zero....
>
>
Part of why I want to do it with the Zero is to make it as low spec and
> On 27/01/2024 10:52, Kyonshi wrote:
>> I just installed a pihole (and a leafnode server) on a Pi Zero W I
>> just got. The Zero of course has only Wifi, but I was thinking if for
>> network stability it might not be better to just use a USB to
>> Ethernet converter to connect it directly to the router. Does that
>> make sense? I mostly am thinking it might be more stable than having
>> my local network DNS run over Wifi.
>
> I wouldn't want to run anything that is critical to the whole network
> over wifi.
>
> Id be tempted to substitute a Pi4 B or similar By the time you have
> added all the extra hardware to the Zero....
>
>
low cost as possible. Of course now I have checked for USB-to-ethernet
connectors, and it turns out micro usb ones are 5 times as expensive as
normal ones.
Theo
Jan 27, 2024, 7:58:34 AM1/27/24
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One thought though, if you want an Ethernet Pi it could be worth upgrading
to a fullsize Pi with Ethernet included. The cost of a used Pi 1/2/3 might
be in the same ballpark as buying a USB ethernet adapter: a 2 or 3 would
give you better performance and you get spare USB ports where the ethernet
would block the Zero's single USB (and you need an OTG cable for the Zero on
top of the ethernet dongle).
A counterpoint though is that the Pis before the 3+ only have 100Mbit
ethernet, whereas a gigabit USB dongle would get you about 300Mbit. I'm not
sure what bandwidth you get out of the Zero W wifi, but perhaps more than
100Mbit. So it depends if you're going to be bandwidth limited or not.
Theo
The Natural Philosopher
Jan 27, 2024, 9:25:11 AM1/27/24
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The Natural Philosopher
Jan 27, 2024, 9:28:11 AM1/27/24
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wlan0 IEEE 802.11 ESSID:"xxxxxxx"
Mode:Managed Frequency:2.457 GHz Access Point:
30:46:9A:A2:89:F6
Bit Rate=65 Mb/s Tx-Power=31 dBm
Retry short limit:7 RTS thr:off Fragment thr:off
Power Management:on
Link Quality=42/70 Signal level=-68 dBm
Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0
Tx excessive retries:56 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:0
It for sure is no match for Ethernet
I get more from my laptop against the same access point
> Theo
Kyonshi
Jan 27, 2024, 2:05:14 PM1/27/24
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On 1/27/2024 3:25 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 27/01/2024 11:38, Kyonshi wrote:
>> On 1/27/2024 12:33 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 27/01/2024 10:52, Kyonshi wrote:
>>>> I just installed a pihole (and a leafnode server) on a Pi Zero W I
>>>> just got. The Zero of course has only Wifi, but I was thinking if for
>>>> network stability it might not be better to just use a USB to
>>>> Ethernet converter to connect it directly to the router. Does that
>>>> make sense? I mostly am thinking it might be more stable than having
>>>> my local network DNS run over Wifi.
>>>
>>> I wouldn't want to run anything that is critical to the whole network
>>> over wifi.
>>>
>>> Id be tempted to substitute a Pi4 B or similar By the time you have
>>> added all the extra hardware to the Zero....
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Part of why I want to do it with the Zero is to make it as low spec
>> and low cost as possible. Of course now I have checked for
>> USB-to-ethernet connectors, and it turns out micro usb ones are 5
>> times as expensive as normal ones.
>
> That was sort of my point...
>
ah, found one for under 10 bucks, that should be ok. Will try to use
> On 27/01/2024 11:38, Kyonshi wrote:
>> On 1/27/2024 12:33 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 27/01/2024 10:52, Kyonshi wrote:
>>>> I just installed a pihole (and a leafnode server) on a Pi Zero W I
>>>> just got. The Zero of course has only Wifi, but I was thinking if for
>>>> network stability it might not be better to just use a USB to
>>>> Ethernet converter to connect it directly to the router. Does that
>>>> make sense? I mostly am thinking it might be more stable than having
>>>> my local network DNS run over Wifi.
>>>
>>> I wouldn't want to run anything that is critical to the whole network
>>> over wifi.
>>>
>>> Id be tempted to substitute a Pi4 B or similar By the time you have
>>> added all the extra hardware to the Zero....
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Part of why I want to do it with the Zero is to make it as low spec
>> and low cost as possible. Of course now I have checked for
>> USB-to-ethernet connectors, and it turns out micro usb ones are 5
>> times as expensive as normal ones.
>
> That was sort of my point...
>
that one.
Computer Nerd Kev
Jan 27, 2024, 4:45:56 PM1/27/24
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Theo <theom...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> A counterpoint though is that the Pis before the 3+ only have 100Mbit
> ethernet, whereas a gigabit USB dongle would get you about 300Mbit.
Ah but that's assuming that the Pi Zeros are quick enough to run
> A counterpoint though is that the Pis before the 3+ only have 100Mbit
> ethernet, whereas a gigabit USB dongle would get you about 300Mbit.
the USB network interface at the maximum possible speed.
Unfortunately benchmarks show that's not the case. Here they only
get 56Mbits/s to 111Mbits/s on a RPi Zero W using a USB Ethernet
adapter:
https://notenoughtech.com/raspberry-pi/raspberry-pi-internet-speed/
> I'm not sure what bandwidth you get out of the Zero W wifi, but
> perhaps more than 100Mbit.
say that its performance depends on the orientation of the board.
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Kyonshi
Jan 28, 2024, 5:35:13 AM1/28/24
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feeds. It even has more or less acceptable speeds on wifi
(microseconds), I just want a more stable connection. I don't think that
should make much of a difference.
The Natural Philosopher
Jan 28, 2024, 5:42:13 AM1/28/24
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is your destination, a Pi zero isn't where you start.
My second one is doing a sterling service and has saved me way more
than it costs by managing my central heating with some smarts.
My first runs a hifi system in one room, connecting to my media server
or the internet to play music.
So much easier than sticking vinyl on the turntable or a CD in the player..
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The Natural Philosopher
Jan 28, 2024, 5:46:02 AM1/28/24
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On 28/01/2024 10:34, Kyonshi wrote:
> In any case, in this case I want it for DNS resolution and some nntp
> feeds. It even has more or less acceptable speeds on wifi
> (microseconds), I just want a more stable connection. I don't think that
> should make much of a difference.
Used to do that over a 9600kbps modem back in the day
> In any case, in this case I want it for DNS resolution and some nntp
> feeds. It even has more or less acceptable speeds on wifi
> (microseconds), I just want a more stable connection. I don't think that
> should make much of a difference.
Certainly fine on 10Mbps Ethernet
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David Higton
Jan 28, 2024, 9:15:00 AM1/28/24
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In message <g6nh8k-...@moria.erebor.sync.net>
Nothing beats the stability of a wired connection.
David
David
Kyonshi
Jan 28, 2024, 4:05:13 PM1/28/24
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On 1/28/2024 11:42 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 27/01/2024 21:45, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>> Theo <theom...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>>> A counterpoint though is that the Pis before the 3+ only have 100Mbit
>>> ethernet, whereas a gigabit USB dongle would get you about 300Mbit.
>>
>> Ah but that's assuming that the Pi Zeros are quick enough to run
>> the USB network interface at the maximum possible speed.
>> Unfortunately benchmarks show that's not the case. Here they only
>> get 56Mbits/s to 111Mbits/s on a RPi Zero W using a USB Ethernet
>> adapter:
>> https://notenoughtech.com/raspberry-pi/raspberry-pi-internet-speed/
>>
>>> I'm not sure what bandwidth you get out of the Zero W wifi, but
>>> perhaps more than 100Mbit.
>>
>> The built-in WiFi is even worse, 38.8Mbits/s max., and they also
>> say that its performance depends on the orientation of the board.
>>
> I think it connects a bit faster than that, but for sure if throughput
> is your destination, a Pi zero isn't where you start.
>
> My second one is doing a sterling service and has saved me way more
> than it costs by managing my central heating with some smarts.
>
> My first runs a hifi system in one room, connecting to my media server
> or the internet to play music.
>
> So much easier than sticking vinyl on the turntable or a CD in the player..
>
>
I was just realizing that both my Pis have bluetooth, and that I could
> On 27/01/2024 21:45, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>> Theo <theom...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>>> A counterpoint though is that the Pis before the 3+ only have 100Mbit
>>> ethernet, whereas a gigabit USB dongle would get you about 300Mbit.
>>
>> Ah but that's assuming that the Pi Zeros are quick enough to run
>> the USB network interface at the maximum possible speed.
>> Unfortunately benchmarks show that's not the case. Here they only
>> get 56Mbits/s to 111Mbits/s on a RPi Zero W using a USB Ethernet
>> adapter:
>> https://notenoughtech.com/raspberry-pi/raspberry-pi-internet-speed/
>>
>>> I'm not sure what bandwidth you get out of the Zero W wifi, but
>>> perhaps more than 100Mbit.
>>
>> The built-in WiFi is even worse, 38.8Mbits/s max., and they also
>> say that its performance depends on the orientation of the board.
>>
> I think it connects a bit faster than that, but for sure if throughput
> is your destination, a Pi zero isn't where you start.
>
> My second one is doing a sterling service and has saved me way more
> than it costs by managing my central heating with some smarts.
>
> My first runs a hifi system in one room, connecting to my media server
> or the internet to play music.
>
> So much easier than sticking vinyl on the turntable or a CD in the player..
>
>
actually do something with that. Unfortunately so far I haven't been
able to discover the bluetooth speaker I have with the Pi. I guess I
have to work on that.
Scott Alfter
Jan 30, 2024, 6:22:31 PM1/30/24
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In article <8j6f8k-...@moria.erebor.sync.net>,
for MicroUSB Ethernet adapters in the $10-$15 range:
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=micro+usb+ethernet+adapter
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Kyonshi <gmk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Part of why I want to do it with the Zero is to make it as low spec and
>low cost as possible. Of course now I have checked for USB-to-ethernet
>connectors, and it turns out micro usb ones are 5 times as expensive as
>normal ones.
Amazon seems to charge about the same for both. I found plenty of options
>Part of why I want to do it with the Zero is to make it as low spec and
>low cost as possible. Of course now I have checked for USB-to-ethernet
>connectors, and it turns out micro usb ones are 5 times as expensive as
>normal ones.
for MicroUSB Ethernet adapters in the $10-$15 range:
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=micro+usb+ethernet+adapter
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Lars Poulsen
Jan 31, 2024, 6:14:06 PM1/31/24
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On 1/28/2024 2:46 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 28/01/2024 10:34, Kyonshi wrote:
>> In any case, in this case I want it for DNS resolution and some nntp
>> feeds. It even has more or less acceptable speeds on wifi
>> (microseconds), I just want a more stable connection. I don't think
>> that should make much of a difference.
>
> Used to do that over a 9600kbps modem back in the day
^^^^^^^^
> On 28/01/2024 10:34, Kyonshi wrote:
>> In any case, in this case I want it for DNS resolution and some nntp
>> feeds. It even has more or less acceptable speeds on wifi
>> (microseconds), I just want a more stable connection. I don't think
>> that should make much of a difference.
>
> Used to do that over a 9600kbps modem back in the day
That should be 9600 bps (9.6 kbps)
Kyonshi
Feb 1, 2024, 3:35:13 AM2/1/24
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