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The Natural Philosopher
Jan 29, 2024, 6:43:20 AM1/29/24
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On 29/01/2024 11:17, Bob Latham wrote:
> I don't normally use the imager, I download the OS direct and burn it
> using Win32 Disk Imager but I thought I should try out Rpi Imager.
>
> I like to write notes on everything I do so I'll know next time and
> so I tried to make notes on using Rpi Imager. Dear me.
>
> First off I found that the OS choice menu kept changing. If you
> selected it first then you could select any RPi OS but if you select
> pi3 first then OS options disappear. I don't meant OS for pi 4 or pi
> 5 I'd understand that but Bookworm 32 bit lite is removed from the
> menu. Why??? Grrr.
>
> So I saw an option to install an OS image you have stored. I tried
> that but it doesn't allow you to look anywhere but the C drive for
> it, certainly not an unmapped NAS.
>
> Is this me? Or is this tool just a bit pants?
>
> Bob.
>
Dunno m8. Never used it. Always burn the image onto the boot device.
I reckoned it was for dumb (blonde) windows users...
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But Marxism is the crack cocaine.
> I don't normally use the imager, I download the OS direct and burn it
> using Win32 Disk Imager but I thought I should try out Rpi Imager.
>
> I like to write notes on everything I do so I'll know next time and
> so I tried to make notes on using Rpi Imager. Dear me.
>
> First off I found that the OS choice menu kept changing. If you
> selected it first then you could select any RPi OS but if you select
> pi3 first then OS options disappear. I don't meant OS for pi 4 or pi
> 5 I'd understand that but Bookworm 32 bit lite is removed from the
> menu. Why??? Grrr.
>
> So I saw an option to install an OS image you have stored. I tried
> that but it doesn't allow you to look anywhere but the C drive for
> it, certainly not an unmapped NAS.
>
> Is this me? Or is this tool just a bit pants?
>
> Bob.
>
Dunno m8. Never used it. Always burn the image onto the boot device.
I reckoned it was for dumb (blonde) windows users...
--
Karl Marx said religion is the opium of the people.
But Marxism is the crack cocaine.
JJenssen
Jan 29, 2024, 7:17:08 AM1/29/24
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Am 29.01.24 um 12:43 schrieb The Natural Philosopher:
AFAIK there is no and will not be a 64b BOOKWORM.
If I'm wrong let me know.
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Regards
JJenssen
If I'm wrong let me know.
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Regards
JJenssen
JJenssen
Jan 29, 2024, 7:31:27 AM1/29/24
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Am 29.01.24 um 13:17 schrieb JJenssen:
Silly me _> segmentation fault, brain dumped...
It is valid for 32b
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JJenssen
It is valid for 32b
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JJenssen
Chris Green
Jan 29, 2024, 7:33:05 AM1/29/24
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you want a headless Pi with a working ssh login it's really quite
difficult 'by hand' whereas Pi Imager makes it fairly straightforward.
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Chris Green
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Joerg Walther
Jan 29, 2024, 7:48:57 AM1/29/24
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Bob Latham wrote:
>First off I found that the OS choice menu kept changing. If you
>selected it first then you could select any RPi OS but if you select
>pi3 first then OS options disappear. I don't meant OS for pi 4 or pi
>5 I'd understand that but Bookworm 32 bit lite is removed from the
>menu. Why??? Grrr.
When OS options disappear after selecting a certain model of Pi then
>First off I found that the OS choice menu kept changing. If you
>selected it first then you could select any RPi OS but if you select
>pi3 first then OS options disappear. I don't meant OS for pi 4 or pi
>5 I'd understand that but Bookworm 32 bit lite is removed from the
>menu. Why??? Grrr.
obviously the OS is not available for this version of Pi. There may be
some images available in beta stadium, but this should not be offered on
the official Pi imager. The imager also gives you the opportunity so set
a password prior to installing since standard passwords are no longer
allowed on the latest versions of RPi OS
>So I saw an option to install an OS image you have stored. I tried
>that but it doesn't allow you to look anywhere but the C drive for
>it, certainly not an unmapped NAS.
does not see the NAS if you do not map it first, so why not map it? It
definitely works on other drives as C since I keep my downloads on E and
use RPi imager from there and sometimes I have an image on my mapped
NAS, which is I.
-jw-
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And now for something completely different...
Chris Elvidge
Jan 29, 2024, 8:36:17 AM1/29/24
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It assumes you have a compatible computer that can be loaded with the
imager software.
If there was an easily accessible page with instructions to do it
without the imager all would be OK - but you have to look for it.
Instructions should be on (or accessible from) the "Operating System
Images" page - if you're here you have already decided not to use the
imager - for creating wireless connection, ssh setup, initial user,
initial password.
Why is/are the instructions in a blog post* rather than on a page
accessible from the Image page.
* https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/raspberry-pi-bullseye-update-april-2022/
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Chris Elvidge, England
I WAS NOT TOUCHED "THERE" BY AN ANGEL
Joerg Walther
Jan 29, 2024, 10:04:13 AM1/29/24
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Bob Latham wrote:
>> There may be some images available in beta stadium, but this should
>> not be offered on the official Pi imager.
>
>Agreed but we're not talking beta. "Compatible with: All Pi Models"
>> There may be some images available in beta stadium, but this should
>> not be offered on the official Pi imager.
>
>yet blocked by Imager.
OK, then you may have discovered a bug in this version of the imager, I
haven't used it in a while and have not come across this version.
druck
Jan 29, 2024, 1:33:35 PM1/29/24
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On 29/01/2024 11:17, Bob Latham wrote:
> I don't normally use the imager, I download the OS direct and burn it
> using Win32 Disk Imager but I thought I should try out Rpi Imager.
[Snip]
> I don't normally use the imager, I download the OS direct and burn it
> using Win32 Disk Imager but I thought I should try out Rpi Imager.
> Is this me? Or is this tool just a bit pants?
Last time I tried it, I set some of the advanced options such as ssh,
username and WiFi SSID, but it didn't seem to work. SO I went back to dd
and copying config files on to the FAT partition.
---druck
druck
Jan 29, 2024, 1:45:33 PM1/29/24
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On 29/01/2024 11:17, Bob Latham wrote:
> So I saw an option to install an OS image you have stored. I tried
> that but it doesn't allow you to look anywhere but the C drive for
> it, certainly not an unmapped NAS.
So your NAS was in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a
> that but it doesn't allow you to look anywhere but the C drive for
> it, certainly not an unmapped NAS.
disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying 'Beware of the Leopard',
and Raspberry Pi Imager didn't find it? - Tsk!
---druck
Lawrence D'Oliveiro
Jan 30, 2024, 12:33:11 AM1/30/24
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On Mon, 29 Jan 2024 11:17:46 +0000 (GMT), Bob Latham wrote:
> I don't normally use the imager, I download the OS direct and burn it
> using Win32 Disk Imager but I thought I should try out Rpi Imager.
What does it do that a simple “dd” command doesn’t?
> I don't normally use the imager, I download the OS direct and burn it
> using Win32 Disk Imager but I thought I should try out Rpi Imager.
The Natural Philosopher
Jan 30, 2024, 6:52:56 AM1/30/24
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On 30/01/2024 09:23, Bob Latham wrote:
> In article <upa1mk$s992$2...@dont-email.me>,
> In truth I don't know enough to fully answer that question as I've
> little idea what 'dd' is or does.
>
> I would guess it is a Linux command and if so my only answer might be
> - burn an image to SD card on a PC.
>
> I was looking at Pi Imager because I should have a good reason for
> rejecting the default method and because I was looking for the best
> way in for a newbie, even newer than me. :-)
>
> Bob.
>
I *think* from reading noob guides, that it does more than dump the OS
on the card, it also allows a GUI interface to set up username/password,
whether you want a gui desktop or a server, whether sshd is to be
allowed and possibly login credentials for wifi.
etc etc.
In short all the things you do manually anyway when booting a pi first
time. And using raspi-config
--
"First, find out who are the people you can not criticise. They are your
oppressors."
- George Orwell
> In article <upa1mk$s992$2...@dont-email.me>,
> little idea what 'dd' is or does.
>
> I would guess it is a Linux command and if so my only answer might be
> - burn an image to SD card on a PC.
>
> I was looking at Pi Imager because I should have a good reason for
> rejecting the default method and because I was looking for the best
> way in for a newbie, even newer than me. :-)
>
> Bob.
>
I *think* from reading noob guides, that it does more than dump the OS
on the card, it also allows a GUI interface to set up username/password,
whether you want a gui desktop or a server, whether sshd is to be
allowed and possibly login credentials for wifi.
etc etc.
In short all the things you do manually anyway when booting a pi first
time. And using raspi-config
--
"First, find out who are the people you can not criticise. They are your
oppressors."
- George Orwell
Pancho
Jan 30, 2024, 7:05:34 AM1/30/24
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I've had pretty good results, when I was writting images every week for
an opi5, the rpi5 doesn't seem to need that level of attention.
Joerg Walther
Jan 30, 2024, 9:12:09 AM1/30/24
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Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>What does it do that a simple “dd” command doesn’t?
You can set up username/password, enable ssh and Wifi credentials. Very
>What does it do that a simple “dd” command doesn’t?
useful and time-saving, especially for headless installs. (RPi OS lite)
druck
Jan 30, 2024, 12:00:35 PM1/30/24
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On 29/01/2024 19:39, Bob Latham wrote:
> In article <up8rob$imuv$2...@dont-email.me>,
> You forgot both the moat with crocodiles and the boiling oil. :-)
>
> Well, I'm used to PC software that is happy to use a UNC path and I
> was surprised and disappointed when Imager doesn't seem to.
Microsoft didn't make the use of UNC paths seamless across all APIs.
---druck
> In article <up8rob$imuv$2...@dont-email.me>,
>
> Well, I'm used to PC software that is happy to use a UNC path and I
> was surprised and disappointed when Imager doesn't seem to.
Microsoft didn't make the use of UNC paths seamless across all APIs.
---druck
druck
Jan 30, 2024, 4:16:48 PM1/30/24
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On 30/01/2024 05:33, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
which replaces browsing a page, downloading and running dd.
Where the value should be is in the advanced options that can set up
ssh, default username, WiFi SSID, etc for headless operation (if they
work now), which would otherwise have to be done by creating config
files on the FAT partition after writing the image.
---druck
Anssi Saari
Feb 2, 2024, 6:38:16 AM2/2/24
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Joerg Walther <joerg....@magenta.de> writes:
>>What does it do that a simple “dd” command doesn’t?
>
> You can set up username/password, enable ssh and Wifi credentials. Very
> useful and time-saving, especially for headless installs. (RPi OS lite)
Did I misunderstand or has this basic config stuff become some kind of
>>What does it do that a simple “dd” command doesn’t?
>
> You can set up username/password, enable ssh and Wifi credentials. Very
> useful and time-saving, especially for headless installs. (RPi OS lite)
secret sauce? That you can't easily enable sshd for example by just
editing a text file inside the image?
My only remaining Pi runs Ubuntu and I think I configured that via the
serial console but I'm really not sure, it's been a minute.
The Natural Philosopher
Feb 2, 2024, 7:04:56 AM2/2/24
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On 02/02/2024 11:38, Anssi Saari wrote:
> Joerg Walther <joerg....@magenta.de> writes:
>
>>> What does it do that a simple “dd” command doesn’t?
>>
>> You can set up username/password, enable ssh and Wifi credentials. Very
>> useful and time-saving, especially for headless installs. (RPi OS lite)
>
> Did I misunderstand or has this basic config stuff become some kind of
> secret sauce? That you can't easily enable sshd for example by just
> editing a text file inside the image?
>
I think you can. actually. Its just that noobs usually boot to a
> Joerg Walther <joerg....@magenta.de> writes:
>
>>> What does it do that a simple “dd” command doesn’t?
>>
>> You can set up username/password, enable ssh and Wifi credentials. Very
>> useful and time-saving, especially for headless installs. (RPi OS lite)
>
> Did I misunderstand or has this basic config stuff become some kind of
> secret sauce? That you can't easily enable sshd for example by just
> editing a text file inside the image?
>
keyboard ans screen, or if they haven't one,. need a client computer GUI...
I know...
> My only remaining Pi runs Ubuntu and I think I configured that via the
> serial console but I'm really not sure, it's been a minute.
"I guess a rattlesnake ain't risponsible fer bein' a rattlesnake, but ah
puts mah heel on um jess the same if'n I catches him around mah chillun".
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