Has everyone died?

[The Natural Philosopher]

Gone extremely quiet..

--
“The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to
fill the world with fools.”

Herbert Spencer

[kyonshi]

On 1/25/2024 1:06 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> Gone extremely quiet..
>

yes.

[immibis]

On 1/25/24 13:06, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> Gone extremely quiet..

Usenet died a couple of decades ago. Be the change you want to see in
the world.

[D]

I think the Wayland dialogue exhausted itself.

But I'll shoot in a new question!

I use a raspberry 3a+ for my tv, and it is great although a bit
underpowered for kodi. The reason I choose that model is that it fits.
Due to the big port module on a 3b those bigger boards don't fit.

Does anyone know of something similar to the 3a+ but in modern form with a
bit more power and cpu?

Sadly the raspberry 4 and 5 seem to double down on the big form factor and
it is too big to fit behind my tv. =(

Best regards,
Daniel

[nev young]

Pi Zero 2w perhaps.

--
Nev
It causes me a great deal of regret and remorse
that so many people are unable to understand what I write.

[John McCue]

Follow-ups trimmed to: comp.os.linux.misc

In comp.os.linux.misc The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> Gone extremely quiet..

I think the google groups filter is working, so google group
people goes to the bit bitbucket in the sky :)


--
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- Paraphrasing Star Wars

[Marco Moock]

Am 25.01.2024 schrieb D <nos...@example.net>:

> But I'll shoot in a new question!

Please do that in a new thread.

[rek2 hispagatos]

["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.misc.]

On 2024-01-25, The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> Gone extremely quiet..
>

no Spam, good :) we are around, reading :)

Happy Hacking
ReK2

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[Andy Burns]

John McCue wrote:

> Follow-ups trimmed to: comp.os.linux.misc

Replying only to: comp.sys.raspberry-pi

> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> Gone extremely quiet..
>
> I think the google groups filter is working

There's no general G2 filter, the various news server admins worked hard
to just filter spam from G2, instead of everything. Individual users
may have their own filter, mine marks-as-read messages from G2 users who
aren't whitelisted, but it also tags them, so I can spot new candidates
for my whitelist.

It turns out that in the rPi group there's only been one G2 user
(Nelson) since october (not counting gmail users who don't use G2).

[Joerg Lorenz]

Nonsense.

--
"Manus manum lavat."

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 25/01/2024 16:29, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> On 25.01.24 14:33, immibis wrote:
>> On 1/25/24 13:06, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> Gone extremely quiet..
>>
>> Usenet died a couple of decades ago. Be the change you want to see in
>> the world.
>
> Nonsense.
>

What happened is that all those AOL people moved to twatter and faecesbook

--
Karl Marx said religion is the opium of the people.
But Marxism is the crack cocaine.

[kyonshi]

On 1/25/2024 4:59 PM, Andy Burns wrote:

>
> It turns out that in the rPi group there's only been one G2 user
> (Nelson) since october (not counting gmail users who don't use G2).
>

lots of people just use gmail because it's convenient

[Andy Burns]

yes, but plenty of people who have a gmail address use real nntp servers
instead of google groups, some folks elsewhere concocted their own
filters binning everyone matching
from:*@gmail.com
instead of
message-id:*@googlegroups.com

[kyonshi]

that's what I mean. I did see some people earnestly discuss just
filtering every gmail.com address when the usenet improvement project
came around.

[Charlie Gibbs]

On 2024-01-25, Andy Burns <use...@andyburns.uk> wrote:

> kyonshi wrote:
>
>> Andy Burns wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> It turns out that in the rPi group there's only been one G2 user
>>> (Nelson) since october (not counting gmail users who don't use G2).
>>
>> lots of people just use gmail because it's convenient

Yes, and as we all know, convenience trumps everything: cost, efficiency,
security, even personal safety. (The latter might not apply to Usenet,
but it does to things like the 737 MAX.)

> yes, but plenty of people who have a gmail address use real nntp servers
> instead of google groups, some folks elsewhere concocted their own
> filters binning everyone matching
> from:*@gmail.com
> instead of
> message-id:*@googlegroups.com

I've found that the massive flood of spam which has hit many newsgroups
contains a tell-tale "Injection-Info" header. I use slrn, and by adding
stanzas like the following to ~/News/Source:

[comp.*.*]
Score: =-9999
Expires: 9/14/2024
Injection-Info: google*
Newsgroup: comp\.*\.*

I lose all the spam while still seeing legitimate messages
from gmail vict^H^H^H^Husers.

--
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\ / <cgi...@kltpzyxm.invalid> | it has plenty of bright lights and
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | excitement, but also dark alleys
/ \ if you read it the right way. | down which the unwary get mugged.

[Andy Burns]

D wrote:

> I use a raspberry 3a+ for my tv, and it is great although a bit
> underpowered for kodi.

I have a Pi 3Bv1.2 and found it was pretty good as a TV front-end

> The reason I choose that model is that it fits.
> Due to the big port module on a 3b those bigger boards don't fit.

Dunno about the space, must be pretty tight behind your TV if a couple
of usb/eth ports stop it fitting?

[D]

On Thu, 25 Jan 2024, nev young wrote:

> On 25/01/2024 13:54, D wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 25 Jan 2024, immibis wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/25/24 13:06, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> Gone extremely quiet..
>>>
>>> Usenet died a couple of decades ago. Be the change you want to see in the
>>> world.
>>>
>>
>> I think the Wayland dialogue exhausted itself.
>>
>> But I'll shoot in a new question!
>>
>> I use a raspberry 3a+ for my tv, and it is great although a bit
>> underpowered for kodi. The reason I choose that model is that it fits. Due
>> to the big port module on a 3b those bigger boards don't fit.
>>
>> Does anyone know of something similar to the 3a+ but in modern form with a
>> bit more power and cpu?
>>
>> Sadly the raspberry 4 and 5 seem to double down on the big form factor and
>> it is too big to fit behind my tv. =(
>>
> Pi Zero 2w perhaps.

Not powerful enough I'm afraid, but thank you for the tip.

[D]

Correct. I have a very flat Oled tv and power sockets in the middle of the
wall, so I have about 1 cm or so between the tv and the wall. Just enough
for an 3a+.

[Lawrence D'Oliveiro]

On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 14:54:29 +0100, D wrote:

> I think the Wayland dialogue exhausted itself.

In the old USENET, that would never have happened ...

[Andreas Kohlbach]

On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 14:54:29 +0100, D wrote:
>

> I use a raspberry 3a+ for my tv, and it is great although a bit
> underpowered for kodi. The reason I choose that model is that it
> fits. Due to the big port module on a 3b those bigger boards don't
> fit.
>
> Does anyone know of something similar to the 3a+ but in modern form
> with a bit more power and cpu?
>
> Sadly the raspberry 4 and 5 seem to double down on the big form factor
> and it is too big to fit behind my tv. =(

Suppose the Kodi GUI is a little obese? Then try a different
player. Install mpv for example. It doesn't even has a GUI. But front
ends exists if it does the job.
--
Andreas

[immibis]

Did you hear there was drama about window icons?

A GNOME developer wants applications to register their icon in their
.desktop file. An application which uses several different window icons
must register several different .desktop files in the system
applications list.

Everyone else says: no, that's a really stupid idea.

[68g.1499]

On 1/25/24 11:31 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 25/01/2024 16:29, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>> On 25.01.24 14:33, immibis wrote:
>>> On 1/25/24 13:06, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> Gone extremely quiet..
>>>
>>> Usenet died a couple of decades ago. Be the change you want to see in
>>> the world.
>>
>> Nonsense.
>>
> What happened is that all those AOL people moved to twatter and faecesbook

And ALL FOR THE BETTER !!! :-)

Though we still have our share of trolls/idiots.

Ah, cleaning out my office, found a Kodak #2a Autographic Junior
(130 film) a #1 Junior (120 film) and a couple of other folders.
Bellows look OK, but could spray black plastic 'rubber' inside
if there are any pinholes. Also a Kodak brown bakelite box
Brownie (620).

Found a vid on YT ... some guy took a #2a and made trick spools
and a mask augment so it'd work with 120 as a panoramic cam.
The 130 was a bit wider, ergo the need. He even took some pix
with it, not TOO bad considering the crude lens/shutter. 130
was "postcard size" around WW-1. Can't find the ISO ... maybe
100 ? Shutter speeds are 1/25 and 1/50

The Autographic is interesting - a small long hatch in the back
JUST big enough for a writ one-line note/date - which would get
burned into the edge of the neg.

Oh, one cam says "N.C. Cartridge 120" ... but extensive searching
does not explain what that IS. The "Cartridge" might just mean "roll",
not the pre-formed plastic cartridges more popular in the 60s/70s
InstaMatics).

All the folder cams were kinda 1915-1925 vintage plus or minus.
Must have found them in junk shops and then forgotten.

[Michael Uplawski]

Good morning

The Natural Philosopher wrote in comp.sys.raspberry-pi,comp.os.linux.misc:
>
> Gone extremely quiet..

Most would not know, but I have always been here. That does not make it a
crowd, but I might add another definition of dying (as in “has everyone
died?”).
Having nothing to contribute, I try to keep quiet. But that is not all.

When you notice that you can put the inverser to neutral while descending
backwards with a trailer full of firewood attached to your tractor, because the
darned thing is mounted too low and your knee touches it all the time.., or
when that tree was hollow and rotated upon the first touch with the chainsaw,
when the most intelligent fox in the world is the one watching your chicken..,

then this dead dumb machine just loses a lot of its charm. Nothing that I can
do with it is important. None of it is beautiful in most senses of the
expression and probably bereft of all utility, anyway.

Cheerio

[Michael Uplawski]

Supersedes for negation.

expression and all is probably bereft of all utility, anyway.

Cheerio

[TimS]

... along with the .desktop files themselves.

--
Tim

[Pancho]

mpv standardly does come with a GUI, it is configurable, but I had very
little to do to set it up on my rPi5.

edit ~/.config/mpv/mpv.conf
add
---
vo=gpu
hwdec=drm-copy
---

the hwdec is the important bit, I'm not sure vo=gpu is needed, or if it
is legacy from another machine.

[Another Dave]

On 25/01/2024 12:06 pm, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> Gone extremely quiet..
>

The only thing that's new is the PI 5 and nobody can get one?

Another Dave
--
Change nospam to techie

[John McCue]

Followups trimmed to: comp.os.linux.misc

In comp.os.linux.misc immibis <ne...@immibis.com> wrote:
> On 1/25/24 23:07, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

<snip>

>
> Did you hear there was drama about window icons?
>
> A GNOME developer wants applications to register their icon in their
> .desktop file. An application which uses several different window icons
> must register several different .desktop files in the system
> applications list.
>
> Everyone else says: no, that's a really stupid idea.

I think that may be a Wayland thing. I wonder if this is
what you are referring to ?

https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland-protocols/-/merge_requests/269

If so, thanks, your post clarified that post a bit for me :)

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 26/01/2024 15:34, Another Dave wrote:
> On 25/01/2024 12:06 pm, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> Gone extremely quiet..
>>
> The only thing that's new is the PI 5 and nobody can get one?
>

In stock at my local PiSuppplier...

https://thepihut.com/products/raspberry-pi-5

I will probably get one, but a 3D printer is higher priority right now...


--
The higher up the mountainside
The greener grows the grass.
The higher up the monkey climbs
The more he shows his arse.

Traditional

[Another Dave]

On 26/01/2024 4:38 pm, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 26/01/2024 15:34, Another Dave wrote:
>> On 25/01/2024 12:06 pm, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> Gone extremely quiet..
>>>
>> The only thing that's new is the PI 5 and nobody can get one?
>>
> In stock at my local PiSuppplier...
>
> https://thepihut.com/products/raspberry-pi-5

Yeah, I just got the email. Maybe things will liven up a bit here.

>
> I will probably get one, but a 3D printer is higher priority right now...
>

I've just 3D printed a couple of padding pieces for the ends of a roller
blind which didn't fit properly. Probably overkill but you never know
what you can use a printer for unless you've got one.

[The Natural Philosopher]

I've had so many pi cases printed by a mate its getting
embarrassing...and I have at least two more.

Just unsure what printer to get.

--
"An intellectual is a person knowledgeable in one field who speaks out
only in others...”

Tom Wolfe

[Andreas Kohlbach]

On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 10:32:34 +0000, Pancho wrote:
>
> On 26/01/2024 01:18, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>
>> Suppose the Kodi GUI is a little obese? Then try a different
>> player. Install mpv for example. It doesn't even has a GUI. But front
>> ends exists if it does the job.
>
> mpv standardly does come with a GUI, it is configurable, but I had
> very little to do to set it up on my rPi5.

I doubt. Just logged in with a user I never used mpv with. At first start
it just created an empty ~.config/mpv/ but no GUI showed.


I know some "players" use mpv as *backend*. Thus you could
consider these as simply a frontend to mpv.

> edit ~/.config/mpv/mpv.conf
> add
> ---
> vo=gpu
> hwdec=drm-copy
> ---
>
> the hwdec is the important bit, I'm not sure vo=gpu is needed, or if
> it is legacy from another machine.

"vo" (video output) is the render method. This example says to use the
GPU as render hardware. Instead of "gpu" you could for example use "drm"
and watch videos on a TTY (no need to start X).

From <https://mpv.io/manual/stable/>:

| --hwdec=<api1,api2,...|no|auto|auto-safe|auto-copy> Specify the
| hardware video decoding API that should be used if possible. Whether
| hardware decoding is actually done depends on the video codec. If
| hardware decoding is not possible, mpv will fall back on software
| decoding.

None has to do with a GUI. I stand with my claim, mpv does not come with
a GUI. Thus it's especially well suited for older systems.
--
Andreas

[Computer Nerd Kev]

In comp.os.linux.misc The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> I've had so many pi cases printed by a mate its getting
> embarrassing...and I have at least two more.

I usually put such things in old tins or boxes with the required
holes cut into them. It's quicker than 3D printing, though the
results aren't pretty.

> Just unsure what printer to get.

Consider whether you want the option of using ABS. Some will only
use PLA, but ABS is stronger and longer-lasting, though printing
with it is stinkier and trickier.

--
__ __
#_ < |\| |< _# | Note: I won't see posts made from Google Groups |

[Lawrence D'Oliveiro]

Desktop files are a pretty cool idea
<https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/desktop-entry-spec/>.
Besides offering clickable icons, they are also used to define custom
menu items
<https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/menu-spec/>. They are
also used to define those “new document” right-click items you see in
common file managers.

[Computer Nerd Kev]

In comp.sys.raspberry-pi Lawrence D'Oliveiro <l...@nz.invalid> wrote:
> On 26 Jan 2024 10:31:52 GMT, TimS wrote:
>> On 26 Jan 2024 at 02:42:07 GMT, "immibis" <ne...@immibis.com> wrote:
>>> Everyone else says: no, that's a really stupid idea.
>>
>> ... along with the .desktop files themselves.
>
> Desktop files are a pretty cool idea

They're way over-complicated and always breaking with distro
upgrades, I avoid them as much as possible. Maybe there's a cool
idea in there somewhere, but the implementation is a disaster.

[immibis]

When a desktop file is used as an entry on your desktop, that's fine.
When a developer insists that every application on your system must have
a desktop file unrelated to it being on your desktop or in any menu,
that's a bit crazy.

[Pancho]

On 26/01/2024 19:45, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:

> None has to do with a GUI. I stand with my claim, mpv does not come with
> a GUI. Thus it's especially well suited for older systems.

I dunno what you mean GUI?

I use mpv all the time, my TV is mpv. That mpv.conf is all I did to set
it up, beyond the apt install mpv.

In this default state, Gui controls pop up from a toolbar/menu at the
bottom of the screen.

[Lawrence D'Oliveiro]

On 27 Jan 2024 07:26:16 +1000, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

> They're way over-complicated and always breaking with distro

> upgrades ...

Not sure why, since their format hasn’t changed for years.

[Bob Martin]

On 26 Jan 2024 at 19:05:36, The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 26/01/2024 18:00, Another Dave wrote:
>> On 26/01/2024 4:38 pm, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 26/01/2024 15:34, Another Dave wrote:
>>>> On 25/01/2024 12:06 pm, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>> Gone extremely quiet..
>>>>>
>>>> The only thing that's new is the PI 5 and nobody can get one?
>>>>
>>> In stock at my local PiSuppplier...
>>>
>>> https://thepihut.com/products/raspberry-pi-5
>>
>> Yeah, I just got the email. Maybe things will liven up a bit here.
>>
>>>
>>> I will probably get one, but a 3D printer is higher priority right now...
>>>
>>
>> I've just 3D printed a couple of padding pieces for the ends of a roller
>> blind which didn't fit properly. Probably overkill but you never know
>> what you can use a printer for unless you've got one.
>>
>>>
>>
> I've had so many pi cases printed by a mate its getting
> embarrassing...and I have at least two more.
>
> Just unsure what printer to get.

Ender 3 Pro will meet your needs.
It's good with ABS.

[Andy Burns]

Bob Martin wrote:

> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> unsure what printer to get.
>
> Ender 3 Pro will meet your needs.
> It's good with ABS.

You might as well get one with Klipper firmware nowadays, most printers
have 300°C hotends now so can do ABS (might need a home-brewed shroud
round it to keep draughts away to prevent warping).

I have Elegoo Neptune4 Pro

[Andy Burns]

Andy Burns wrote:

> Bob Martin wrote:
>
>> Ender 3 Pro will meet your needs.
>

> You might as well get one with Klipper firmware

Which from Creality, would be an Ender-3 V3 KE

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 26/01/2024 20:59, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.misc The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> I've had so many pi cases printed by a mate its getting
>> embarrassing...and I have at least two more.
>
> I usually put such things in old tins or boxes with the required
> holes cut into them. It's quicker than 3D printing, though the
> results aren't pretty.
>
>> Just unsure what printer to get.
>
> Consider whether you want the option of using ABS. Some will only
> use PLA, but ABS is stronger and longer-lasting, though printing
> with it is stinkier and trickier.
>

Thanks for that.
--
"Anyone who believes that the laws of physics are mere social
conventions is invited to try transgressing those conventions from the
windows of my apartment. (I live on the twenty-first floor.) "

Alan Sokal

[TimS]

All of that functionality should be available from the GUI.

--
Tim

[Pancho]

On 27/01/2024 01:41, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:

>> In this default state, Gui controls pop up from a toolbar/menu at the
>> bottom of the screen.
>

> Ah, you meant the OSD (On Screen Display).

Yes an OSD with things to click at with my mouse.

[Ahem A Rivet's Shot]

On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 08:44:02 +0000
Andy Burns <use...@andyburns.uk> wrote:

> You might as well get one with Klipper firmware nowadays, most printers
> have 300°C hotends now so can do ABS (might need a home-brewed shroud
> round it to keep draughts away to prevent warping).

I'm about to get a Ratrig Vcore 3.1 (the 300mm cube size) thanks
to an unexpected bonus. I'll report back on it (much) later. It's on topic
too since it has a Pi to run the RatOS preconfigured Klipper. Not the
cheapest but it's a brute of a printer.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
For forms of government let fools contest
Whate're is best administered is best - Alexander Pope

[Andy Burns]

Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:

> I'm about to get a Ratrig Vcore 3.1

Nice ... coreXY models do appeal, as do as IDEX models. But in the end
I just went for an easy to assemble bed-slinger, rather than a printer
which becomes a project in itself.

[Another Dave]

On 26/01/2024 7:05 pm, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> I've had so many pi cases printed by a mate its getting
> embarrassing...and I have at least two more.
>
> Just unsure what printer to get.
>

I don't want to get into yet another dispute about which is best, PLA or
ABS except to say that in the 5 years I've had a printer I've never felt
the need to stop using PLA (which your printer will come with). It's the
cheapest (<£15 a kilo), easiest to print and more than tough enough.

Times have changed but I bought a kit (I enjoy building kits and it
helps to understand what's going on) for just under £100 including
postage. I bought the Tronxy version of this

http://tinyurl.com/4m34d7cm

It's based on an open source design (both hardware and firmware) and if
you use the PI software from OctoPrint.org (also open source) it's
equivalent to Klipper which is an unknown quantity to me.

Another source of dispute is whether metal frames are better than
plastic. My plastic frame has been admirable. Much more important is
that the printer should rest on a solid, level bench/table that doesn't
shake.

Another Dave

[Ahem A Rivet's Shot]

I have to admit I was considering the V-Minion - until the extra
bonus appeared.

[Lawrence D'Oliveiro]

They are. That’s what desktop files allow.

[Jack Strangio]

Joerg Lorenz <hugy...@gmx.net> writes:
> --
> "Manus manum lavat."
"And both hands wash the face"


One of my Italian father's sayings. Probably goes back centuries.

:)

Jack

--
She came late to bed at 3AM. "You're drunk" I said.
She asked "How do you know?"
"You live next door." I replied.