Converting data downloaded to the S5
Knur I Foshaug
Can anybody tell me if there is a way to convert files on the Psion without
having a PC nearby with PSIWIN 2.1 installed.
If I download a word document from internet, I'd like to be able to work
with it in Word on the S5 +ACE-
same goes for Excel and maybe HTM...
-knut
Anthony Hook
By HTM I take it you mean HTML. These are just text files .. so no
conversions are needed.
By 'word' I assume you mean MS Word? I think the nearest you'll get to
this without PsiWin is RTF import/export hopefully due in ROM 1.1.
... Anthony.
Fatbloke
> Hello,
>
> Can anybody tell me if there is a way to convert files on the Psion without
> having a PC nearby with PSIWIN 2.1 installed.
>
> If I download a word document from internet, I'd like to be able to work
> with it in Word on the S5 +ACE-
> same goes for Excel and maybe HTM...
>
> -knut
>
>
>
intranet onto my Psion for reference use when I'm on call and perhaps away
from my PC. However, the HTML pages are stored as xxxx.HTM and the S5 does
not recognised that format if I click on the file directly (although the
browser program works fine with it).
So if I want to amend the HTM file in some small way just how on earth do
I do it??? I need some small 'Notepad' type application which just edits
ASCII files.
Can anybody help?
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Martin N Dunstan
Knur I Foshaug wrote:
>
> Can anybody tell me if there is a way to convert files on the Psion without
> having a PC nearby with PSIWIN 2.1 installed.
Not as far as I can see.
> If I download a word document from internet, I'd like to be able to work
> with it in Word on the S5 +ACE-
> same goes for Excel and maybe HTM...
You might want to consider getting a Psion 3a or 3c. The Word
application
will read/write RTF files, the spreadsheet can import/export WKS/DIF etc
and works fine with Excel on my Mac.
Just a thought,
Martin
J.Smith
<MPG.1029a02f8...@news.prestel.co.uk>...
> kn...@presens.nl.no says...
> > Hello,
> >
> > Can anybody tell me if there is a way to convert files on the Psion
without
> > having a PC nearby with PSIWIN 2.1 installed.
> >
work
> > with it in Word on the S5 +ACE-
> > same goes for Excel and maybe HTM...
Oh dear...
> >
> > -knut
> >
> >
> >
> Indeed, I have the same problem. I've saved a bit of our company's
> intranet onto my Psion for reference use when I'm on call and perhaps
away
> from my PC. However, the HTML pages are stored as xxxx.HTM and the S5
does
> not recognised that format if I click on the file directly (although the
> browser program works fine with it).
> So if I want to amend the HTM file in some small way just how on earth do
> I do it??? I need some small 'Notepad' type application which just edits
> ASCII files.
>
> Can anybody help?
You can get a HTML editor for the Psion from, er, www.palmscape.com.
Or you can use the 'Import Text' option in Word and edit the HTML from
there.
Would anyone be interested in a small Word->RTF convertor written in OPL/C?
Jeremy.
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Julian Gibbons
wrote:
>Would anyone be interested in a small Word->RTF convertor written in OPL/C?
>
>Jeremy.
Yes I certainly would. Its one thing I miss from the Series 3a!
Julian Gibbons
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Tixy
>So if I want to amend the HTM file in some small way just how on earth do
>I do it??? I need some small 'Notepad' type application which just edits
>ASCII files.
I use DSTEdit to edit my web site.
http://www.users.dircon.co.uk/~dolbyn/software/dstedit/index.html
This program allows multiple text files to be joined together in a group
and you can switch between editing any of them very simply.
You can also spell check files and do a 'search' across the whole
group of files. Very useful...
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Rev Nigel Coke-Woods
> Would anyone be interested in a small Word->RTF convertor written in OPL/C?
>
> Jeremy.
Yes, yes, yes PLEASE! Every Mac User should want this.
Nigel
Heinz-Martin Weigand
> Would anyone be interested in a small Word->RTF convertor written in OPL/C?
I am definatel interested!!! Even more if it would be Word <-> RTF instead
of Word ->RTF.
Heinz
J.Smith
<VA.00000030.007836f2@heinz>...
Sure!! I'm almost finished decoding the Series 5 Word file-format (after
about 8
hours of work over 2 days). Bizarrely, it's not actually a file-format,
it's just a C++ memory dump to a file!! Which is slightly cheap 'n'
nasty...
And I find it very bizarre that Psion haven't made convertors available for
the Macintosh. Totally bizarre...
If I get a working RTF <-> Word convertor, I'd probably do it as shareware
(15 dollars or something)... Then maybe I can afford a Psion 5... :-)
After that, I'll work on the Sheet format.
BTW, I'm decoding the files on a PC, running the EPOC emulator, which makes
it slightly easier (I can read the Psion files with all my PC tools).
Heh-heh...
Alasdair Manson
wrote:
>Bizarrely, it's not actually a file-format,
>it's just a C++ memory dump to a file!! Which is slightly cheap 'n'
>nasty...
Symbian has never claimed that it was a file format.
Far from being "cheap 'n' nasty", there are architectural reasons for
the way the store works. You can read some background at:
http://www.symbian.com/tech/papers/overview/overview.html#4.1
regards
Alasdair
A Symbian employee in a personal capacity
Heinz-Martin Weigand
make sure, to add me to your mailing-list. I will be definately interested
in the shareware (and willing to register, if it suits my needs :-)). And
if you need beta-testers...I'm here.
Regards,
Heinz
Jeremy wrote:
> Sure!! I'm almost finished decoding the Series 5 Word file-format (after
> about 8 hours of work over 2 days). Bizarrely, it's not actually a
>file-format, it's just a C++ memory dump to a file!! Which is slightly cheap
>'n' nasty...
J.Smith
<35c252c7....@nntp1.ba.best.com>...
> >it's just a C++ memory dump to a file!! Which is slightly cheap 'n'
> >nasty...
>
> the way the store works. You can read some background at:
>
> http://www.symbian.com/tech/papers/overview/overview.html#4.1
Okay, I've got it. I'd better mind my sharp tongue in future... :-)
Cheers,
Jeremy
John Forrest
J.Smith wrote in message <01bdbc98$7eb9d240$LocalHost@prsfsnwd>...
>Sure!! I'm almost finished decoding the Series 5 Word file-format (after
>about 8
>it's just a C++ memory dump to a file!! Which is slightly cheap 'n'
>nasty...
Surely you have to link to the Word API rather than trying to directly
generate the file?
>
>And I find it very bizarre that Psion haven't made convertors available for
>the Macintosh. Totally bizarre...
The PC convertors work by linking into the WINC environment - sort of WINS
without the screen front ent - that allows PC programs to invoke EPOC code.
This way the a program calls both the MS Word and Psion Word APIs. There is
no equivalent of either WINC or WINS on the Mac. That is the strange bit -
or rather not perhaps if you decide there is not much of a market.
>
>If I get a working RTF <-> Word convertor, I'd probably do it as shareware
>(15 dollars or something)... Then maybe I can afford a Psion 5... :-)
If this is "I haven't got a Psion 5 but I'm going to develop it on the
emulator" then I think people have the right to expect you to test it
beforehand....
John
Alasdair Manson
wrote:
>Okay, I've got it. I'd better mind my sharp tongue in future... :-)
Not at all - the NG benefits from a wide range of constructive views.
However, I think it benefits everybody if misconceptions and factual
inaccuracies are corrected in a timely and polite manner.
Jeremy A.Smith
<6pv7ao$oil$2...@plug.news.pipex.net>...
>
> Arrogant-head J.Smith wrote in message
<01bdbc98$7eb9d240$LocalHost@prsfsnwd>...
> >Sure!! I'm almost finished decoding the Series 5 Word file-format (after
> >about 8
> >hours of work over 2 days). Bizarrely, it's not actually a file-format,
> >it's just a C++ memory dump to a file!! Which is slightly cheap 'n'
> >nasty...
>
> Surely you have to link to the Word API rather than trying to directly
> generate the file?
No. A file is a file. I will put the file-format (or memory format, or API
format, or whatever you want to call it) up on a Webpage sometime. Anyway,
I don't have the API - unless you can already convert files in OPL, but I
haven't heard of this.
And Word loads whatever file it can find. Data is data - If I can convert a
Psion 5 document into an RTF file, that's pretty final. If it works, it
works. I'm not a programmer that works by the rules - I'm not
'professionally trained', as it were, I trained myself in 6502
machine-code, wrote an automated program on a Spectrum 48 (rather nifty -
you put a tape in, press play, and it loads up all the files and saves them
to disk, including Headerless files, and files that take up the entire
system memory, as the program and the processor's stack reside at the very
top of the screen)... I coded this on a piece of paper, and typed it in as
Hex (reading from a list of Z80 opcodes in the back of the manual) and it
worked pretty much first time.
So as far as I see it, I don't "Have" to do anything when it comes to
computers. The rules are there to be broken.
> >And I find it very bizarre that Psion haven't made convertors available
for
> >the Macintosh. Totally bizarre...
>
> The PC convertors work by linking into the WINC environment - sort of
WINS
> without the screen front ent - that allows PC programs to invoke EPOC
code.
> This way the a program calls both the MS Word and Psion Word APIs. There
is
> no equivalent of either WINC or WINS on the Mac. That is the strange bit
-
> or rather not perhaps if you decide there is not much of a market.
Ah - I understand now. So (as far as I see it), Psion don't actually
convert their own file format (it's not officially a file format, I know -
but it is a file with data in a specific format) in PsiWin, they just link
the Psion Word code and MS Word code? Ukkk.... Nice and Object Orientated,
but not exactly Open Standards.
As for there not being much of a market - I can read through this newsgroup
at any one time and find at least a couple of messages by people bemoaning
the lack of a proper Psion-Mac connection. People bemoaning the fact that
they can't use their Psion 5 on a Corporate Intranet properly, people
bemoaning the fact that they can't use their Psion with Linux...
> >If I get a working RTF <-> Word convertor, I'd probably do it as
shareware
> >(15 dollars or something)... Then maybe I can afford a Psion 5... :-)
>
> If this is "I haven't got a Psion 5 but I'm going to develop it on the
> emulator" then I think people have the right to expect you to test it
> beforehand....
Heinz-Martin Weigand offered to Beta-test it, so I'll take him up on his
offer. (He'll get a free copy!!). Of course I'll test it!!
Basic details of my convertor:
RTF <-> Series 5 Word
HTML <-> Series 5 Word (good for web-editing)
And it will be written in OPL so I don't have to do separate compiles for
every machine in existence, and people can use Series 5's with their crazy
Intranet thingies via the 'Web'. The OPL and C source code will be
available to registered users, and my info on the file-format will be
bunged on a website for instant perusal.
And ya can't say fairer than that!!
--------
BTW, I've now got a prototype decoder running in DOS which prints all the
details of a Psion 5 Word file to the screen - simple tweaking and this
will output as RTF, or HTML. Or, for that matter, Wordperfect 5.1 (mmmm...
my favourite...)
Anyway, my project is nearly finished (if a project takes any more than a
week, I soon tire of it). Look forward to Word->RTF convertors for
'obscure' OS's such as the Macintosh, Linux, and so on. Then I'll start on
the Sheet format.
I hope Symbian don't object to my using the Emulator to reverse-engineer a
file?
* From EPOC Emulator documentation:
"The EMULATOR includes "online" or electronic documentation, sample
applications, development tools, utilities, computer software, and any
printed materials."
Nope, doesn't include files created with those applications...
"a) Limitations on Reverse Engineering, Decompilation and Disassembly. You
may not
reverse engineer, decompile, or disassemble the EMULATOR, except and only
to the
extent that such activity is expressly permitted by applicable law
notwithstanding this
limitation."
Nope, refers to the legal definition of the EMULATOR (which of course
doesn't include files created with those applications).
Looks like I'm in the clear!!
In fact, reading further, the Emulator license agreement also entitles me
to upload the Emulator ZIPfile (in its' complete form) to a Geocities site,
so everyone else can download it until Symbian put it back up on their
website. Cool!! :-0 Although I will have to pay for someone's exploded
computer if the Emulator I re-distributed makes a mess of their machine.
Cool!!
Jeremy.
Mike Salmon
<01bdbda7$f2d6e680$LocalHost@prsfsnwd>...
> > >Sure!! I'm almost finished decoding the Series 5 Word file-format
(after
> > >about 8
> > >hours of work over 2 days). Bizarrely, it's not actually a
file-format,
> > >it's just a C++ memory dump to a file!! Which is slightly cheap 'n'
If you have the chance, please document it and put it on a web site (or
send it to me and I'll put it on ours).
How are "C++ memory dumps" laid out?
Once attachments work in Messagesuite, it'd be handy to have a MS-Word <->
Psion Word convertor.
> In fact, reading further, the Emulator license agreement also entitles me
> to upload the Emulator ZIPfile (in its' complete form) to a Geocities
site,
What's the problem with the emulator? Why have Symbian removed it from
their site?
If anyone wants a copy, I've temporarily placed it on our server (along
with the evaluation SDK). Please email me for the URL, as I don't want 1000
of you hitting simultaneously!
cheers
mike.
dieter cohnen
>
> Heinz-Martin Weigand <10040...@compuserve.com> wrote in article
> <VA.00000030.007836f2@heinz>...
> > Jeremy,
> >
> > > Would anyone be interested in a small Word->RTF convertor written in
> OPL/C?
> >
> > I am definatel interested!!! Even more if it would be Word <-> RTF
> instead
> > of Word ->RTF.
> >
> > Heinz
>
> about 8
> hours of work over 2 days). Bizarrely, it's not actually a file-format,
> it's just a C++ memory dump to a file!! Which is slightly cheap 'n'
>
> And I find it very bizarre that Psion haven't made convertors available for
> the Macintosh. Totally bizarre...
>
> (15 dollars or something)... Then maybe I can afford a Psion 5... :-)
Hello Jeremy!
I am one of your potential customers for the text converter too.
> After that, I'll work on the Sheet format.
You will become very rich if you can get this out! I mailed the french
company that programmed maconnect and they told me that at the moment
there are "no capacities at psion" for developing a REAL maconnect
including conversion. CONVERT capacities to money than you get it...
Dieter
Aachen, Germany
Rufus
>> to upload the Emulator ZIPfile (in its' complete form) to a Geocities
>site,
you were to put it up!
I for one would feel a strong urge to go and browse your site, if only to
see the fabled holy grail, the emulator and other mythical and magical
creations...
Rufus