SMTP authentication for ER5 - NOW!
David
authentication extension for ER5 email programme.
Or how about writing a VERY simple email program that does SMTP
authentication?
With the rise in spam its becoming virtually impossible to find an
smtp server that doesn't require authentication. When you are roaming
with the psion this is a real pain!
SURE you can try and find out the local ISP's smtp server, but more
often than not this isn't a trivial task, and to log on to web-based
interfaces is also costly if you are using GPRS or othe mobile
internet access system, and messes up your 'sent' email accounting
(though I imagine someone will suggest CC'ing a copy to your usual
address... not really an elegant solution I would contend)
BY FAR the best solution would be to implement smtp authentication -
IS ANYBODY FROM PSION WHO's DOING THE NEW NETBOOK OS UPDATE
LISTENING????
I know this will take programmer effort, but it is going to be vital
in future if people are to stay with the psions as they get more used
to roaming with their devices and using them for email on the move
(via mobile phone, etc...)
It must be a piece of cake to implement for anybody who knows the
protocol. Is the original creator of Email for ER5 reading this?
wodyafink?
So, there rests my somewhat impassioned plea. I think I am right in
saying that this little 'feature' is something that 'bugs' (pardon the
pun) all psion users.
LETS GET IT SORTED!
Hope someone capable and willing is out there.
To conclude: we did it for MP3s, now lets do it for smtp
authentication ! (not quite as sexy, I know - but thousands will
thank you for it)
Here's hoping...
Best,
David.
Alasdair Manson
> IS ANYBODY FROM PSION WHO's DOING THE NEW NETBOOK OS UPDATE
> LISTENING????
probably not... well, not here anyway... if you are serious about
getting this feature considered, i'd recommend you contact psion
directly, rather than leaving a mesage here.
> I know this will take programmer effort, but it is going to be vital
> in future if people are to stay with the psions as they get more used
> to roaming with their devices and using them for email on the move
> (via mobile phone, etc...)
given that psion has made an unequivocal move out of the
consumer/business generaic market, it seems unlikely they'll invest in
such a feature as these machines become obsolete.
> It must be a piece of cake to implement for anybody who knows the
> protocol. Is the original creator of Email for ER5 reading this?
> wodyafink?
again, i this feature is so important, rather than leaving things to a
chance encounter on a NG, why not email the author directly - you'll
surely stand a much better chance of being heard in that case?
> So, there rests my somewhat impassioned plea. I think I am right in
> saying that this little 'feature' is something that 'bugs' (pardon the
> pun) all psion users.
i've been using a psion series 5 and 5mx for years and this has never
been an issue for me.
best regards
alasdair
Erik Sandblom
Manson på ali_m...@yahoo.com den 02-07-02 19.37:
> DONTSP...@theligger.com (David) wrote in message
> news:<671683e8.02070...@posting.google.com>...
>
>> IS ANYBODY FROM PSION WHO's DOING THE NEW NETBOOK OS UPDATE
>> LISTENING????
>
> probably not... well, not here anyway... if you are serious about
> getting this feature considered, i'd recommend you contact psion
> directly, rather than leaving a mesage here.
I disagree. I think it's more likely that an enthusiast will write an add-on
than that Psion will.
I sympathise with the request and would get going if I knew the protocol or
c++.
Erik Sandblom
--
my site is EriksRailNews.com
for those who don't believe, no explanation is possible
for those who do, no explanation is necessary
alan smith
"David" <DONTSP...@theligger.com> wrote in message
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................>
> So, there rests my somewhat impassioned plea. I think I am right in
> saying that this little 'feature' is something that 'bugs' (pardon
the
> pun) all psion users.
>
Doesn't bug me.
What I don't understand is why you copy 3 newsgroups, but not Psion.
Surely Psion should be the first people to contact, rather than trust
to chance?
Unless you actually contact Psion and ask then you probably have little
chance, and in a few months time you'll be back here moaning about
Psion not listening.
David
Firstly, thanks for your vote of confidence Erik. As for your point,
alan, I agree that I exaggerated by saying "all psion users". In my
defence: I have noticed a fair few postings here related to this issue
- plus all those Yahoo! mail users who had problems with their pop
service because Yahoo! now requires smtp authentication, so I wil
rephrase it to "many psion users".
Granted, if you are not mobile with your psion and don't change ISPs
then you are right, there isn't a problem once you find an ISP that
doesn't require smtp authentication, providing you are logged in via
their dial-up numbers. But in 99% of roaming cases (especially
overseas) this is not the case.
I didn't email psion for 2 reasons, 1) I know for a fact that members
of their netbook dev team 'lurk' on these groups, and 2) as Erik said,
it's more likely that some enthusiast with the knowledge and the
inclination will develop this add-on, much more likely than psion as
they seem to have all but given up on ER5. Oh and I was hoping that
eventually if enough posting were made to this thread maybe psion
WOULD take notice - strength in numbers and all that...
Lastly, apologies to anybody offended by my moaning/cross-posting.
Just thought it was an issue boiling under the surface that was worth
airing on all the groups I posted to.
David.
alan smith
Then you are still not making an approach to Psion, and shouldn't be
suprised at no response, or getting what you look for.
and 2) as Erik said,
> it's more likely that some enthusiast with the knowledge and the
> inclination will develop this add-on, much more likely than psion as
> they seem to have all but given up on ER5
That means you should not ask Psion though?
. Oh and I was hoping that
> eventually if enough posting were made to this thread maybe psion
> WOULD take notice - strength in numbers and all that...
>
Yes, but what is the harm in asking. You are making the assumption that
they can't see the use of such things, and only respond to weight of
numbers. You could be suprised- they may have worked on this but never
released it because no users showed any interest.
I still firmly beleive the first place to ask is Psion, then if they
say no, or you get no response, try to get more people to ask them, or
ask if someone else can develop this.
Martin ~ Malaysia
>
> Yes, but what is the harm in asking. You are making the assumption that
> they can't see the use of such things, and only respond to weight of
> numbers. You could be suprised- they may have worked on this but never
> released it because no users showed any interest.
>
Contrary to what was said earlier, I believe at least Psion Tektronics
are still actively working on ER5 software. Now, the NetPad Email is
(1.) basically identical to the 5mx Email and (2.) Would stand to gain
significantly from SMTP authentication support since corporate
messaging requires high tamper protection. We've had a NetPad in our
lab for some time, but we haven't used it with Email yet, and it is
currently with a customer, so I cannot at this point confirm whether
or not it is already supported.
Also, remember that there has been a GPRS update circulating *after*
Psion's withdrawal from consumer market.
Sean Hennessy
(ie, ones from which I can send email using my 5mx)?
--sean
Martin Dehler
news:671683e8.02070...@posting.google.com...
Hi David!
> Here's a call/campaign/petition to get someone to write an SMTP
> authentication extension for ER5 email programme.
Did you have a look at 'XJMail, a Japanese emailer for EPOC' ?
http://www.hi-ho.ne.jp/~ktkawabe/densha_e.html
I haven't tested this alternativ E-Mail program myself, but the
web page says that the beta Version 1.29 supports
'SMTP AUTH (CRAM-MD5)'.
HTH Martin
--
Martin Dehler - Ludwigshafen - Pfalz - Germany
mailto:martin...@gmx.de
http://www.martin-dehler.de
Les
by "SMTP authentication". I have an Ericsson MC218 and use Freeserve as my
ISP in the UK. I can send and receive emails via their SMTP/POP3 server on
the move without problems (same with my Lineone ISP). How would "SMTP
authentication" improve things?
Les
"Martin Dehler" <martin...@gmx.de> wrote in message
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Mike McConnell
"Les" <som...@somewhere.com> wrote in message
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> There's obviously something I'm missing here. Please explain what you
mean
> by "SMTP authentication". I have an Ericsson MC218 and use Freeserve as
my
> ISP in the UK. I can send and receive emails via their SMTP/POP3 server
on
> the move without problems (same with my Lineone ISP). How would "SMTP
> authentication" improve things?
For you, it wouldn't improve things.
Some SMTP servers, however, will not allow access without authentication and
one example is Yahoo mail, which recently introduced the need for
authentication.
Freeserve restrict access to their SMTP server by requiring that you also
connect to the internet with them but Yahoo obviously cannot do this as they
are not an ISP, so they have an alternative method of restricting access to
prevent their server from being used to send spam.
--
Mike [Dundee, Scotland]
________________________________________________
n...@mikemcc.net http://www.mikemcc.net/
________________________________________________
Les
Les
"Mike McConnell" <n...@nospam.mikemcc.net> wrote in message
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David
> I still firmly beleive the first place to ask is Psion, then if they
> say no, or you get no response, try to get more people to ask them, or
> ask if someone else can develop this.
Okay alan, you're right, no harm in asking. So I did, and got this
response from teklogix:
"
Hello David,
I created a technical support trouble ticket number 29721 , as such
request is not handled by our department , I will be forwarding it to
engineering. They will be taking a look into it, and will reply to us
with
updated, I will be keeping you posted when I receive more information.
Kind Regards
Mina
"
and so begins the waiting game...who knows, it might get fixed after
all.
David.
alan smith
Good Luck. You may need it- but let's start with a little faith.
Sim Andrulli
JPOQ
>
> "Les" <som...@somewhere.com> wrote in message
> news:ag7h3m$15q$1...@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
> > There's obviously something I'm missing here. Please explain what
> > you
> mean
> > by "SMTP authentication". I have an Ericsson MC218 and use
> > Freeserve as
> my
> > ISP in the UK. I can send and receive emails via their SMTP/POP3
> > server
> on
> > the move without problems (same with my Lineone ISP). How would
> > "SMTP authentication" improve things?
>
> For you, it wouldn't improve things.
>
> Some SMTP servers, however, will not allow access without
> authentication and one example is Yahoo mail, which recently
> introduced the need for authentication.
>
> Freeserve restrict access to their SMTP server by requiring that you
> also connect to the internet with them but Yahoo obviously cannot do
> this as they are not an ISP, so they have an alternative method of
> restricting access to prevent their server from being used to send
> spam.
>
I had the following experience with Yahoo mail. Before Yahoo started
charging for their mail service my Revo could use Yahoo mail flawessly.
Around last April the authenticationrequest by Yahoo started and
logically my Revo could not read the Yahoo mailbox, after that around
June I decide to pay the annual fee for Yahoo (to retain my address)
and then for some reason I could (and I still can) read my emails from
my Revo! Is it Yahoo mail authetication a feature to push people to pay
them or leave? If authentication stops spam, well something weird is
happening to Yahoo cause I still gets lots of it. Regards
Erik Sandblom
02-07-12 13.32:
> I had the following experience with Yahoo mail. Before Yahoo started
> charging for their mail service my Revo could use Yahoo mail flawessly.
> Around last April the authenticationrequest by Yahoo started and
> logically my Revo could not read the Yahoo mailbox, after that around
> June I decide to pay the annual fee for Yahoo (to retain my address)
> and then for some reason I could (and I still can) read my emails from
> my Revo! Is it Yahoo mail authetication a feature to push people to pay
> them or leave?
Maybe they figure if they know who you are, you won't spam.
Anyway, another ISP says you can use their smtp server if you have logged
into your POP account with them within the last X minutes. That seems like a
more practical anti-spam solution than smtp authenification.
--
Erik Sandblom
Mike McConnell
JPOQ <ju...@eudoramail.com> wrote in message
news:Usenet.afsamjar@localhost...
> I had the following experience with Yahoo mail. Before Yahoo started
> charging for their mail service my Revo could use Yahoo mail flawessly.
> Around last April the authenticationrequest by Yahoo started and
> logically my Revo could not read the Yahoo mailbox, after that around
> June I decide to pay the annual fee for Yahoo (to retain my address)
> and then for some reason I could (and I still can) read my emails from
> my Revo! Is it Yahoo mail authetication a feature to push people to pay
> them or leave? If authentication stops spam, well something weird is
> happening to Yahoo cause I still gets lots of it. Regards
Your message relates to receiving and reading your Yahoo mail. The
authentication problem which has arisen is with *sending* mail. Yahoo now
require SMTP Authentication for "outgoing" mail and it is this which the
Psion's email program doesn't support.
Sean Hennessy
Distribution:
The installation instructions
(http://www.hi-ho.ne.jp/~ktkawabe/XJMail/XJMail.txt) aren't in
English. Does anyone know how to install XJMail? Has anyone
installed this program and used it in English? The page below
says that you need a text editor to edit emails. Will epoc
word work for this?
sean
Sim Andrulli (tymb...@free.fr) wrote:
: Try XJMail....
: http://www.hi-ho.ne.jp/~ktkawabe/densha_e.html
--
Sim Andrulli
>
> ..upenn.edu> <Usenet.trtsmpbj@localhost>
the English instructions are in the file ending in .eng
Just change it in txt and you'll read it in English
keita
As Sim correctly pointed out (thank you Sim), the English
documents have ".eng" extension at the end of file name.
> English. Does anyone know how to install XJMail? Has anyone
> installed this program and used it in English?
I'm using it everyday to read/write both English and Japanese
Emails.
> says that you need a text editor to edit emails. Will epoc
> word work for this?
Unfortunately no (epoc word is a word processor).
However, you can use any kind of text editor which "talks to"
other apps in a epoc-standard way. If you're only interested
in writing English, I guess Symbian text editor is good enough,
which can be downloaded from Symbian web page:
<http://www.symbian.com/developer/downloads/archive.html>
Regards,
Keita
Sean Hennessy
The only .eng file that I saw in xjm12_b.zip that I saw
was xjm_copy.eng. This is the license agreement, not the
instructions. Am I missing something?
sean
keita (keita....@mpq.mpg.de) wrote:
: As Sim correctly pointed out (thank you Sim), the English
keita
Sean Hennessy wrote:
> The only .eng file that I saw in xjm12_b.zip that I saw
> was xjm_copy.eng. This is the license agreement, not the
> instructions. Am I missing something?
Yes and no, depending on the point of view ;-).
Anyway:
It's the latest beta version 1.29 to grab. It supports SMTP
auth (CRAM-MD5) and has an English documentation. You can press
"beta availability" link in the table of softwares on my web
page to find the beta (or simply scroll down the page until
you find it).
XJMail 1.20 (which you have downloaded) doesn't support SMTP
authentication, and doesn't have any English documentation
apart from the xjm_copy.eng. So you're right in saying that
you cannot find any English instructions.
I was not thinking about 1.20 at all, as I simply assumed that
you've read Martin's message somewhere in this thread, which
said that beta 1.29 supports SMTP auth.
Sorry for your inconvenience.
Cheers,
Keita
Sean Hennessy
> It's the latest beta version 1.29 to grab. It supports SMTP
> auth (CRAM-MD5) and has an English documentation. You can press
> "beta availability" link in the table of softwares on my web
> page to find the beta (or simply scroll down the page until
> you find it).
Keita,
Thanks; I've since been able to use xjm v1.29 to receive and to
send email with smtp authentication.
Can xjm handle attachments, or is there an add-on (hopefully
with English documenation) that allows this? Thanks
--sean
Tom Spudich
Tom
"Sean Hennessy" <shen...@cceb.med.upenn.edu> wrote in message
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Ajai Khattri
> Or how about writing a VERY simple email program that does SMTP
> authentication?
>
> With the rise in spam its becoming virtually impossible to find an
> smtp server that doesn't require authentication. When you are roaming
> with the psion this is a real pain!
I haven't noticed this as a problem with most ISPs. If you connect
through their dialup then usually they will let you relay from their own
IP addresses. Some ISPs also implement the popular "POP-before-SMTP"
scheme which means you POP first and for a limited time the SMTP server
will log your IP address and let it relay through them.
I work as an administrator for an ISP so Im familiar with this stuff. We
allow our own IPs to relay through our mail server but also do
POP-before-SMTP for people that are roaming and connecting through
another ISP. I think we allow relaying for 30 minutes after someone has
POP'd from another ISP - this is usually configurable.
--
Aj.
Systems Administrator / Developer
Ajai Khattri
> Is it Yahoo mail authetication a feature to push people to pay
> them or leave? If authentication stops spam, well something weird is
> happening to Yahoo cause I still gets lots of it. Regards
Originally, SMTP servers allowed anyone to connect and send email
through them. Spammers jumped on this as a way to freely use a mail
server for bulk mailings (even using faked headers). This is basically
what an open relay is.
As you can imagine, there are very few open relays these days!
Furthermore, mail servers these days will check remote IPs, check DNS
entries, check against blackhole lists*, check if the user has been
authorized through POP-before-SMTP, etc etc. SMTP AUTH is another
convenient way of allowing people to use your mail servers but is not
the only option.
Of course, all of these steps doesn't stop all the SPAM - some comes
from lists that somehow your email address got stuck on. Even with all
the above checks, our customers still get spam. Our last line of defence
is to run software on our servers that checks the email after it gets to
our servers and files SPAM into a separate folder. It does this by
analysing the headers and content. Its pretty good but not perfect.
Nothing is (except perhaps a human being ;-)
I have my own private mail server that uses SMTP AUTH (not from a Psion
of course) - mainly because I wanted to be able to relay through it no
matter where I was and no matter what ISP I was using. For most people
though, its not an issue since they will use their ISP's SMTP server.
* A blackhole list is a list of relays that are known to be open and so
are blacklisted.
keita
> Can xjm handle attachments, or is there an add-on (hopefully
> with English documenation) that allows this? Thanks
All of the available add-ons are listed on my web page in the table
named "Add-on modules etc." (right after "Softwares downloadable
from this page" table).
For creating attachment, you can use add-on program called mkMulti
by takumi project.
<http://www.chaos.to/psion/takumi/>
(This web page is written in Japanese, but anyway mkMulti is mkMulti so
you can search for a string "mkMulti" in that page.)
The documentation is only in Japanese, so here's a brief instruction.
1. Download the latest binary of mkMulti.
2. Unzipping the distribution, it might be that you find several files.
If you're using xjmail 1.29 beta, the only thing you need is mkMulti.opo.
Other files (if any) are for older versions of XJMail.
3. Put mkMulti.opo into \system\apps\xjmail\importer folder. If \importer
folder is not in xjmail folder you have to create it manually.
4. Start XJMail. Go to "draft" or "out" folder.
5. Select an email to which you want to attach file.
6. Ctrl-i (or Menu-> Tools-> Importer), and the importer dialog appears.
7. Select mkMulti. mkMulti dialog appears.
8. Select a file that you'd like to attach.
That's it, I think. Note that you can attach only one file per one
email.
If you have further questions, please ask them (see their web page
for their contact address). At least one of them reads/writes English
fairly well.
Regards,
Keita
Sean Hennessy
> Where does one find this program?
> Tom
http://www.hi-ho.ne.jp/~ktkawabe/densha_e.html
V1.29 is the one that allows smtp authentication. The english instructions
are in files ending .eng. --sean
Sean Hennessy
> For creating attachment, you can use add-on program called mkMulti
> by takumi project.
> <http://www.chaos.to/psion/takumi/>
> (This web page is written in Japanese, but anyway mkMulti is mkMulti so
> you can search for a string "mkMulti" in that page.)
Keita,
Thanks. Using mkMulti and XJM, I was able to send an attachement, with
the
minor problem that it removed the extension from the file name of the
attachment.
Is there a way to use xjm to decode attachments that people send me?
Or do I need to use Psion email to download emails with attachments?
Thanks,
--sean
keita
> Is there a way to use xjm to decode attachments that people send me?
> Or do I need to use Psion email to download emails with attachments?
No other program needed, XJMail decodes attachments for you.
Regards,
Keita
Martin Nisshagen
"Erik Sandblom" <sand...@artech.removethis.andthis.se> wrote in message
news:B9548C08.5C5E%sand...@artech.removethis.andthis.se...
: Anyway, another ISP says you can use their smtp server if you have logged
: into your POP account with them within the last X minutes. That seems like a
: more practical anti-spam solution than smtp authenification.
I don't agree.
I find SMTP authentication much more practical than hacks like "POP-before-SMTP"
(the next best option).
Best regards,
m a r t i n | n
--
Martin Nisshagen - http://www10.brinkster.com/mnx/
Sean Hennessy
Keita,
You're right, of course. I didn't realize it was doing it already. (As
you
know,) you need to arrow down to the bottom of the headers, and a
dialog box pops up. You then hit "next" and get the text of the
message. You then arrow down through the text of the message and
another dialog box pops up. You hit
"next" and it gives you the opportunity to save the attachment
wherever
you want. If you have additional attachments, it gives you the
opportunity
to save those as well.
XJM rules! Thanks Keita for letting us know about it!
--sean