Win 95 support on ThinkPad 360PE?
Brian P. Minerly
I just acquired a ThinkPad 360PE through my employer (my first pen
device). It has Win95 installed, but no pen support! Could anyone
point me in the direction of how to enable the pen?
Please post and/or email. Thanks!
jho...@nettally.com
On 23 Mar 1998 00:10:42 GMT, ab...@musicb.marist.edu (Brian P. Minerly)
wrote:
Go to the following site and download the pen services for win'95
Once downloaded and decompressed, you must install them using the
Start->Settings->Control Panel->Add/Remove Programs->Windows
Setup->Have Disk.
I think that's what I did. If that doesn't work, when in Add/Remove
Programs go straight to Install and try that. I'm pretty sure the
first way is correct.
They work pretty well.
Good luck
John
RickB
is there something similar for Windows 3.1 or 3.11??????
I too would like to wake up my ThinkPad's pen device. The TP750P I have
works great but no pen support as the o/s is the non pen version...
thanks for any help
Mike Welch
Below are my instructions for installing Win95 on your TP360PE (I'm pretty
certain it will work for the 750P too, since the drivers say they are for
the 360P/PE/750P, but nobody has verified this). Included are what to do to
get the Pen Services to work (just skip the parts having to do with
installing Windows 95).
How To Install Windows 95 On The ThinkPad 360/C/CS/P/PE
by Mike Welch (mi...@anet-dfw.com)
OVERVIEW
--------
A definitive reference that outlines the minimum steps required to
upgrade the supported ThinkPads to run Windows 95 does not seem to exist
anywhere. IBM's site has most of the support files you will need, but there
is a lot of redundancy, and exactly what all is needed, especially if you
have options such as the sound feature or PCMCIA devices, is unclear. This
document attempts to define exactly what you need to do to install Windows
95 on your ThinkPad.
The information contained herein should pertain to all IBM ThinkPad
models 360/C/CS/P/PE. I also have reason to believe, albeit unverified,
that this procedure will also work on models 730T/750/755C/755CS (if someone
gives it a try on any of these models, please let me know how it went).
Note that IBM has mentioned that Plug n Play is not supported on the 750s.
I have ran through this process three times myself and know it works on
my particular 360PE. The only trouble I had involved the installation of my
PCMCIA "Home & Away" combo card together with Windows 95 OSR2. Evidently,
Microsoft changed the way the PCMCIA drivers work between OSR0 and OSR2 and
in the process broke the OS for this particular card (and perhaps others).
Therefore, if you have a choice, I highly recommend you install the initial
release version of Windows 95 instead of the later one.
Lastly, I suppose that I should add that I'm not responsible for anything
(that's what my mom always said) should something terrible happen as a
result of your using these instructions.
Please direct any questions, comments or corrections to mi...@anet-dfw.com.
CREATING THE UPDATE DISKS (Disk Images)
---------------------------------------
Most (but not all) of the files I mention in this document can be found
on IBM's web site, http://www.ibm.com. Finding the files, though, can be a
chore, especially as they appear to be moved to different locations
frequently. If you cannot find these files, let me know and I'll get them
to you.
For an undetermined period of time, these files can also be found at
ftp://206.54.186.164/Mikew. When logging on, use the following signon:
Name: anonymous
Password: Your email address (e.g., mi...@anet-dfw.com)
Most of the files I discuss in this document are stored in a disk image
format, while a few are stored in ZIP format. This document assumes you are
familiar with compressed ZIP files. Briefly, most of the files that have an
.EXE extension are disk image ("hard file") files which automatically create
a disk. They will require one blank (though not necessarily formatted)
1.44MB floppy for each .EXE file. In the case of the disk image files, just
type the name of the file at a command prompt, or double click the file from
the File Manager.
THE FILES YOU WILL NEED
-----------------------
The following files are needed to create the diskettes necessary to get
Windows 95 to run on your ThinkPad 360. These files are, of course, in
addition to the installation diskettes/CD for Windows 95:
Note: * = Optional/additional feature that may not apply to your unit
UTTPG101.EXE - ThinkPad Features Diskette: machine-specific utilities
WIN95SET.EXE - BIOS update for Windows Plug-n-Play and Video Drivers
* AFTPS140.EXE - ThinkPad Audio Features Diskette: for those with audio
* TPMEMHLP.ZIP - ThinkPad Audio Features patch file (uses less memory)
* IBMPS20.EXE - IBM OEM release of Windows Pen Services 2.0 (if needed)
* HAWIN95.EXE - IBM Home & Away 14.4K Fax/Ethernet combo PCMCIA card
drivers
WHAT YOU GET FOR "FREE"
-----------------------
The ThinkPad 360PE is a "pen-based" computer and as such requires
additional drivers to work under Windows 95. If your notebook does not
support the pen feature and if you have no special peripherals, you may not
need anything besides a plain Windows 95 install CD. Furthermore, if you
only have, for example, PCMCIA and audio on your ThinkPad, and if you
already have Windows 3.1 installed, you may again need nothing besides a
plain Windows 95 CD.
Several of the drivers that you will be using are actually the old
drivers used by Windows 3.1/Windows 3.11. I do not know whether this
affects performance or not. These drivers work fine, and on my machine
Windows reports that it's running optimally.
Update 03/20/98: Fellow 360PE owner Lucas Wagner informs me that if you have
PC-DOS instead of MS-DOS installed on the machine, it might cause problems
with getting Windows 95 to install properly. His solution was to install a
version of MS-DOS prior to installing Windows 95.
LET'S GET STARTED
-----------------
Each of the diskettes you create from the disk image files will come with
a README.TXT type file. Be sure to read that over before your proceed with
the step. It's the right thing to do.
1. Backup your computer. If you have the original preload software SAVE IT
because you may want to go back to the original operating system.
2. Create the ThinkPad Features Diskette from the UTTPG101.EXE file. You
will need it later.
3. Create a diskette from the WIN95SET.EXE file if you are unsure about the
version of your ThinkPad's BIOS (this diskette contains a flash/firmware
update) or if you are not already loading the VESA video extensions that
allow your unit to display 256 colors.
Note: my 360PE has a BIOS Part # of 91G1534 and a date of 02/21/96. As
this is the most recent BIOS version for my system I did not need the BIOS
update.
4. Install WIN95SET. Insert the WIN95SET disk into your A: drive and
reboot your computer. Just follow the instructions that appear when the
system comes up. The WIN95SET disk will tell you if you need to update your
BIOS or not. If so, it will also ask you for the ThinkPad Features Diskette
you created previously. Once you have completed this step, you will have,
among other things, the VESA video BIOS extensions that allow you to run
Windows 95 in 256 colors.
Note: WIN95SET completely REMOVES OS/2, so if you haven't made a backup
of your system there's no turning back after this step.
Note: WIN95SET backs up a few critical files: AUTOEXEC.BAT, CONFIG.SYS,
WIN.INI and SYSTEM.INI to *.E95 should you need to refer to them later.
5. After verifying that you have all drivers you plan to load listed in
your CONFIG.SYS file (this includes the VESA.EXE video BIOS extension, any
memory managers or PCMCIA drivers), install Windows 95 (It's okay if you've
already installed Windows 95). During the installation, Windows 95 asks if
you would like to create a startup (emergency) diskette. IBM suggests, and
I agree, that you create this disk after Windows has been completely
installed. Otherwise it is possible that some of your drivers may not exist
on the startup disk.
Note: If you don't know which monitor to pick, IBM suggests you use the
IBM 8513 monitor. I am using the generic "640x480 Laptop Display" driver
instead.
Note: It is my personal opinion that you install the ORIGINAL version of
Windows 95 ("OSR0") instead of "OSR2". My IBM Home & Away 14.4K
Modem/Fax/Ethernet combo card simply would not work under the newer revision
of Windows 95. Card services must have changed between these two revisions,
and the later update broke support for this PCMCIA card.
Reboot however many times Windows asks you to. Once you have completed
this step you should be running Windows 95 with the following support:
o Video in 16 or 256 colors (Western Digital)
o Full support for the Trackpoint pointing device
o Basic PCMCIA support (you will need to execute the
PCMCIA wizard from control panel to complete that
step).
Finally, if you have Microsoft Plus! for Windows 95, install that next.
I have used Plus! on my ThinkPad 360PE without any problems.
6. Windows 95 should now be operating. Insert the ThinkPad Features
Diskette you created in step #2. Type INSTALLW at the command prompt (or
use "Run" from the Start Menu, or double click the file from the Windows
Explorer). This will install the ThinkPad setup and interrogation programs,
the fuel gauge utility and docking station support. Note that you can skip
this step if you don't want to install these utilities. Also, there is
another disk that I am not covering called the Personalization Utility
Program. I found this utility useless.
7. Next, install the audio support. If your ThinkPad doesn't have the
audio feature, or if the audio already appears to be working, skip this
step. After creating a diskette from AFTPS140.EXE, insert the disk and type
A:\WINSETUP at the DOS prompt (or start it from "Run" from the Start Menu,
or double click the file from the Windows Explorer). This will install the
Windows 3.1 drivers (sigh) onto your system. Although I believe these are
16-bit drivers, Windows 95 reports that my system is running optimally with
them installed.
Note: After the first installation of this diskette, the IBM setup
program informed me that I may need to run through the whole installation
process twice to enable the audio feature. I DID have to install it twice
(repeat step 6) but then my audio worked fine.
Another note: After completing this step, Windows kept telling me that it
couldn't find the FUELWIN utility that's being loaded in WIN.INI. If you
get this error, edit WIN.INI and verify the path to FUELWIN (if you
installed the audio files to a directory other than the default, the IBM
setup program still tells Windows to load it from the default directory.
This is a bug). Either change the path or just delete the "Run =
Fuelwin.exe" statement from WIN.INI and run the utility manually, or create
a shortcut to it in your Startup folder.
Yet another note: If you want, you can now also install the file found
in TPMEMHLP.ZIP. Evidently, there were some problems with memory usage and
the sound system in Windows 3.1, so IBM released this "fix" that made the
audio drivers use less memory. I don't know if the updated drivers affect
performance or not (my guess is that it would) and I elected not to install
this update on my system.
8. If your system supports the pen feature, unpack the Microsoft Pen
Services 2.0 files contained in the IBMPS20.EXE file to a floppy disk (note:
this is just a self-extracting file and does not create a disk image, so be
sure the diskette is formatted and empty). Once the diskette is created, go
to the Start Menu and click Control Panel from the Settings menu item. Once
Control Panel opens up, click the "Add/Remove Programs" icon. From the
dialog, select the "Windows Setup" tab (it's the middle tab on my system).
You will see the files that were installed when you loaded Windows. Click
the "Have Disk" button and tell Windows to look on drive A: for your Pen
Services diskette. Select "Pen Services 2.0" when it's displayed and let
Windows install the files. You will have to reboot again, so do that. When
Windows comes back up it will show a dialog with the supported pen computers
(730T, 360P/PE, 750). Select your model. Then you get to reboot again. (I
think Plug and Play should be called Plug and Reboot). The next time
Windows comes up you should be able to use the pen feature.
9. If you have the IBM "Home & Away" 14.4K Modem+Fax/Network card, take the
following steps to add support for this card. I am including this in my
description simply because this is a popular card (I have one) and there are
updated 32-bit drivers elsewhere on the net that work well with Windows 95.
If you have a special card and would like to include the instructions for
that along with this document, please pass your instructions along to me.
Note: If you are running OSR2 (the final release of Windows 95), you will
likely have difficulty getting your card to work properly. As stated above,
I suggest you install the original release of Windows 95 (OSR0).
* Make sure your PCMCIA card is properly installed before you begin with
these steps.
Steps:
-----
9.1 Create a diskette from the HAWIN95.EXE file.
9.2 With the diskette you just created left in your A: drive, shut down
Windows. The Home & Away diskette is a self-booting diskette and needs to
be ran outside of the Windows environment.
9.3 Restart your computer and boot to the new floppy disk. Follow the
instructions you see. Check to see if the card supports Windows 95. If
not, tell the program to install support for this card. When you are
finished with this, remove the floppy and reboot.
9.4 Start Control Panel (from the Start Menu, select "Settings", then
"Control Panel").
9.5 Double click the icon for PCMCIA services.
9.6 A wizard will guide you through the installation of your PCMCIA card.
9.7 Near the end of the setup for PCMCIA services, a dialog will appear
asking you where to find the drivers for your Home & Away card. Inserte the
floppy you created above into drive A: and click "Have Disk". Direct the
wizard to drive A:. Follow the prompts to complete this step.
9.8 Windows will ask you to restart your computer. When you do, your
card should be functioning properly.
SLOW VIDEO
----------
If your video seems terribly slow, verify that the acceleration is set to
the maximum setting. Open the control panel window (from the Start menu,
select "Settings", then "Control Panel). Next, click on the "System" icon
(the window that comes up should be entitled "System Properties"). Next,
click on the "Performance" tab. Finally, click the "Graphics" button. You
should now see a window entitled "Advanced Graphics Settings". My system
was set somewhere in the middle (low acceleration). Move the sliding bar
all the way to "Full" and click the "OK" button. Video performance should
now be acceptable.
NOTES
-----
Another good resource is 750_TIPS.TXT. This is just a list of technical
notes about all kinds of stuff having to do with the 750P convertible. Much
of it applies to the 360P/PE too. Read it if you're curious or if you have
other problems.
RickB wrote in message <351686FF...@rick.org>...
>is there something similar for Windows 3.1 or 3.11??????
>
>I too would like to wake up my ThinkPad's pen device. The TP750P I have
>
John Atwood
In article <351654d0...@news.nettally.com>, <jho...@nettally.com> wrote:
>Go to the following site and download the pen services for win'95
>http://stg.net/pen/ibm/
>They work pretty well.
Could someone quantify "pretty well"? Does this mean a 20% or 90%
recognition rate? Anyone getting 90%? I've found Win3.1's PS1.0 superior
to Win95's PS2.0; anyone disagree? is anyone using ps1.0 under Win95?
In general, what's the best Handwriting recognition (HWR) system for
Win95?
I looked at CIC's Handwriter, but as best I can tell from their website,
the Win95 version comes as part of their inktools developer system
at $us 499.00. Is that correct?
What happened to graffiti? Is it tied up in litigation?
John Atwood
jho...@nettally.com
On 26 Mar 1998 19:42:17 GMT, atw...@ice.CS.ORST.EDU (John Atwood)
wrote:
>In article <351654d0...@news.nettally.com>, <jho...@nettally.com> wrote:
>>Go to the following site and download the pen services for win'95
>>http://stg.net/pen/ibm/
>[snip]
>>They work pretty well.
>
>Could someone quantify "pretty well"? Does this mean a 20% or 90%
>recognition rate? Anyone getting 90%? I've found Win3.1's PS1.0 superior
>to Win95's PS2.0; anyone disagree? is anyone using ps1.0 under Win95?
Sorry if I gave the wrong impression (or lack of one). I have really
bad handwriting and have never gotten any handwriting recognition to
work for me. I basically use the pen as a mouse and hit the letters
on the virtual keyboard. That works pretty well. If I'm going to do
a lot of writing, I swing the screen back to normal position and type
using the keyboard. The 360PE is the only laptop that I know that
gives you a traditional mode of operation and then allows you to
convert it to a pen computer in a matter of seconds. Does anyone know
of any others??? Mike????
John Hogan
RickB
******* snip *********
> The 360PE is the only laptop that I know that
> gives you a traditional mode of operation and then allows you to
> convert it to a pen computer in a matter of seconds. Does anyone know
> of any others??? Mike????
>
> John Hogan
Yes, the model TP750P Thinkpad (it's very long in the tooth but works great).
Originally, I think these shipped with PenDOS 2.0 and Windows for PEN Computing
1.0. I think O/s2 was an option on these. Mine now has Dos 6.22 / WFW 3.11
and the "Pen extensions" to effect the conversion to ****Windows for PEN Computing
1.0*****. Interestingly enough the three diskettes which effect the conversion to
Windows for PEN Computing work on Windows for Workgroups 3.11 as well as Win3.1,
and PenDos does not appear to be necessary..........DOS 4.01 through 6.22 seem to
work fine (but obviously no pen functions in dos unless pendos loaded).
Another note........the pen device is not "pressure" sensitive like some digitizing
tablets or "touch pads". Trying to use an ordinary stick or your fingernail won't
work. The pen that is specific to the IBM Pen Computers must have some sort of
electromagnetic dohickey inside. The machine even recognizes when the pen is at an
angle, and which angle (left or right tilt).......left handed people and right
handed people hold the pen opposite so the software has provision for you to tell
it if you are a lefty or not (right is default). Awsome. The pen doesn't even
have to come in contact with the screen for the machine to know that it is
there........what's more is the the pen is NOT tethered. My 7 year old asked me
how it works without touching the screen and without wires and I simply had to tell
her by magic.
The PEN is fun for Solitaire (but that mono lcd makes solitaire tough). It gives
the game a new feeling of experience. My kids love "doodling" in the NoteBook
app. It is more fun than an etch-a-sketch and more high tech than the
Magna-Doodle. My 6 year old is using it to help learn the alphabet. It is neat to
see when the LCD and external monitor are both "active" because what is drawn on
the screen is seen as you draw it (like on paper) and the external VGA monitor
shows the same thing in real time. the two kids thought that was impresssive too.
I tried using it to do wordprocessing.......but I can type faster and with fewer
errors than the way the machine "interprets" my handwriting. Still this thing is a
fantastic ****gadget**** ! oh, what I wouldn't give for a color LCD and a Pentium
in this toy. It's too bad it is only a 33mhz 486 with limited ram and very little
hdd space.
I see where it has a training function. This apparently allows the handwriting
recognition to be "taught" to understand the way YOU write. I fooled with it a
little. Whatever the "canned" recognition rate is, it can be improved for numerous
individuals, where each person "teaches" the machine their unique handwriting
style. In the event you have taught it your style (and there are others who also
taught it theirs), before using the handwriting recognition you must tell the
computer you are you and it looks up your style from the customized fill kept on
hdd.
Someone recently posted that the TP750P cost $7,500 when new (probably around
1993?). Anybody available to confirm this $7,500 price tag?
These machines are floating around for sale ~$500 - $700 now.
There was also a model 750C and a 750Cs...they were color.......anybody know if
there was ever a 750C"P" (color screen and pen capable)?
The IBM guy I spoke with yesterday didn't know if the 750P was ever available as
color.
Regards,
RickB
TJMC
John Atwood wrote:
>
> In article <351654d0...@news.nettally.com>, <jho...@nettally.com> wrote:
> >Go to the following site and download the pen services for win'95
> >http://stg.net/pen/ibm/
> [snip]
> >They work pretty well.
>
> Could someone quantify "pretty well"? Does this mean a 20% or 90%
> recognition rate? Anyone getting 90%? I've found Win3.1's PS1.0 superior
> to Win95's PS2.0; anyone disagree? is anyone using ps1.0 under Win95?
>
> Win95?
>
> I looked at CIC's Handwriter, but as best I can tell from their website,
> the Win95 version comes as part of their inktools developer system
> at $us 499.00. Is that correct?
>
> What happened to graffiti? Is it tied up in litigation?
>
> John Atwood
I'd be interested in how those systems compare to the Apple Messagepad
handwriting recognition. I have pretty bad script/printing, yet that
platform handled it pretty well (>90% without training.) I would LOVE
to see a PDA or full PC that can do more than a PalmPilot. What systems
are around (HDWR) that have that form-factor? Monochrome with
reasonable battery life is better than color for an hour. Anyone have
success with significant note writing? -Terry
Remove _vvvv_ for reply
eddy
RickB wrote:
>
> ******* snip *********
>
> > The 360PE is the only laptop that I know that
> > gives you a traditional mode of operation and then allows you to
> > convert it to a pen computer in a matter of seconds. Does anyone know
> > of any others??? Mike????
> >
> > John Hogan
>
> Yes, the model TP750P Thinkpad (it's very long in the tooth but works great).
The GRiD Convertable was one of the (if not the) first Pentop with
Keyboard built
in. The IBM 750P and 360P are both newer than the GRiD. GRiD is no
longer, though.
> There was also a model 750C and a 750Cs...they were color.......anybody know if
> there was ever a 750C"P" (color screen and pen capable)?
>
> The IBM guy I spoke with yesterday didn't know if the 750P was ever available as
> color.
The 750 never came in a Pen + color option. There was a 360 Pen + Color
option
available (I saw one being used by one of IBM's Pen developers at some
presentation
a few years ago).
eddy
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Scrawl.Com
With all this discussion of win'95 and pen computers .. perhaps
mentioning
a set of links at www.scrawl.com would not be inappropriate.
-Salman
James de'Armond
I've had the 360PE and AST/Grid 2260/70 (Convertible). The
Convertible is the best design for instant access to the keyboard that
I've found.
James de'Armond
dear...@slip.net
jho...@nettally.com wrote:
> On 26 Mar 1998 19:42:17 GMT, atw...@ice.CS.ORST.EDU (John Atwood)
> wrote:
>
> >In article <351654d0...@news.nettally.com>, <jho...@nettally.com> wrote:
> >>Go to the following site and download the pen services for win'95
> >>http://stg.net/pen/ibm/
> >[snip]
> >>They work pretty well.
> >
> >Could someone quantify "pretty well"? Does this mean a 20% or 90%
> >recognition rate? Anyone getting 90%? I've found Win3.1's PS1.0 superior
> >to Win95's PS2.0; anyone disagree? is anyone using ps1.0 under Win95?
>
> Sorry if I gave the wrong impression (or lack of one). I have really
> bad handwriting and have never gotten any handwriting recognition to
> work for me. I basically use the pen as a mouse and hit the letters
> on the virtual keyboard. That works pretty well. If I'm going to do
> a lot of writing, I swing the screen back to normal position and type
> using the keyboard. The 360PE is the only laptop that I know that