DOS Palmtops?
RonB
discovering that there exist DOS Palmtops. I don't know how I've missed
them all these years. Recently I thought the HPs (95, 100, 200 and
1000cx) and thought they were unique but now I find that Sharp made a
line (PC-3000 and PC-3100) and than there was the Poqet. (I actually
remember hearing of the Poqet before but, when they were introduced, they
were probably so far out of my price range that I forgot about them.)
Now I'm wondering if I've missed any others. Also I'm looking for a
comparison of these three brands (plus any others that may have existed).
I'm guessing that, since the HP seems to have held its value best that it
is a better pocket computer, but the keyboards on the Poqet and PC-3000
look like they are a bit easier to use with touch typing.
Sorry to ramble. Is it possible to point me to a comparison of the DOS
palmtops? Thanks. I would be interested to hear from those who've used
any of these (or all of them) and why they like one or the other. Thanks.
--
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RonB
> Some has a DOS emulator for PPC
>
I've thought of that, especially since some of the earlier HP CE machines
are cheaper than the DOS ones (320lx, etc.). But an emulator adds an extra
layer and I think I would just as soon use a real DOS machine. (Besides,
the HP DOS machines seem to be better built than their CE counterparts and
I think the DOS machines have a longer battery life.)
If anyone is using a DOS emulator with one of the CE machines with a
keyboard, I wouldn't mind hearing how well that is working out either.
Kendrick Kerwin Chua
RonB <ezbo...@lycos.com> wrote:
>I still use several DOS programs and feel like an idiot for just now
>discovering that there exist DOS Palmtops. I don't know how I've missed
>them all these years. Recently I thought the HPs (95, 100, 200 and
>Now I'm wondering if I've missed any others. Also I'm looking for a
>comparison of these three brands (plus any others that may have existed).
>I'm guessing that, since the HP seems to have held its value best that it
>is a better pocket computer, but the keyboards on the Poqet and PC-3000
>look like they are a bit easier to use with touch typing.
You maybe want to check out the IBM PC-110? Not quite a palmtop, it's
technically miniature laptop like the Toshiba Libretto (although much
smaller.) It's a fully functional 486SX machine with a 640x480, 256 color
screen and all the usual PC interfaces through a port replicator. Cool
stuff. Sorry, don't have a link handy, but your favorite search engine
should reveal enough links. Or you can go to Julie Streitelmeier's page at
http://www.the-gadgeteer.com for a quick overview.
-KKC, who's kinda thinking about selling his PC-110. But only because he
now owns four Pocket PC's. :)
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RonB
> You maybe want to check out the IBM PC-110? Not quite a palmtop, it's
> technically miniature laptop like the Toshiba Libretto (although much
> smaller.) It's a fully functional 486SX machine with a 640x480, 256
> color screen and all the usual PC interfaces through a port
> replicator. Cool stuff. Sorry, don't have a link handy, but your
> favorite search engine should reveal enough links. Or you can go to
> Julie Streitelmeier's page at http://www.the-gadgeteer.com for a quick
> overview.
Thanks for the link to the gadgeteer site. Very interesting. I had never
heard of the PC-110 either -- looks like my infatuation with the Psions
kept me blind to the DOS palmtops (or maybe I dismissed these because
they were always out of my price range when they new). My problem with
the PC-110 is battery life. Among other things, I want to be able to
carry my palmtop in my tool bag and use it to log onto phone switches
(I'm a phone tech). With the Psions (and with the HP 100lx or 200lx) I've
got (or can get) much longer battery life -- and I can carry extra
batteries with me (or pick them up from any store).
That said, I've just looked at some more PC-110 sites. Didn't realize the
thing was that small. Does this computer use pcmcia memory (and compact
flash)? It's not what I'm currently looking for, but somewhere down the
road it would be fun to look into one of these. How much do they usually
sell for at this time?
Thanks for the information and the links.
Eric Lindsay's spam trap
>Sorry to ramble. Is it possible to point me to a comparison of the DOS
>palmtops?
I have a list of a bunch of the old MS-DOS based palmtops
at http://www.ericlindsay.com/palmtop/palmlist.htm
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RonB
> I have a list of a bunch of the old MS-DOS based palmtops
> at http://www.ericlindsay.com/palmtop/palmlist.htm
>
Nice site. I've bookmarked it. Thanks.
Neville
> Is it possible to point me to a comparison of the DOS
>palmtops? Thanks. I would be interested to hear from those who've used
>any of these (or all of them) and why they like one or the other. Thanks.
>
I have an LX200 which is terribly out of date BUT is still the best
thing around. They are still available and I recommend them.
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RonB
> I had a poqet but its reliability was poor and I gave up using it.
>
> I have an LX200 which is terribly out of date BUT is still the best
> thing around. They are still available and I recommend them.
>
Thanks. It looks like it'll be an HP.
r_z_...@pen_fact.com
might still be interested/curious to know that I saw a not a while ago
from someone who had WordPerfect running under one of the DOS
emulators for CE. Also, I'm pretty sure one emulator is called Pocket
DOS, and another is called something like X2CE.
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RonB
> You're probably right about the extra layers and quality. But you
> might still be interested/curious to know that I saw a not a while ago
> from someone who had WordPerfect running under one of the DOS
> emulators for CE. Also, I'm pretty sure one emulator is called Pocket
> DOS, and another is called something like X2CE.
>
PocketDOS looks good. For the Psion there is XTM (much like PocketDOS)
but it is *very* hard on batteries. Otherwise I'd be looking at a Psion
5mx (since it has a bigger screen and keyboard then my Psion Revo and I
already know and like Psion's built-in stuff). I see that HP 320lx's sell
pretty cheaply and have thought of picking up one of those up and running
PocketDOS on it, but I get the impression that it would be pretty slow
solution. I haven't heard of X2CE yet, but I'll look into it also.
Thanks.
Klaus Ernst
I'm a retired phone tech. I carried the HP100LX in my toolbag. Served me
well. I have a PC110 too. Battery runs out too fast. Also doesn't have a
built-in serial port. I do have a serial PCMCIA card for it tho. I recommend
the HPs (100LX or 200LX)
Regards, Klaus Ernst NYC,USA
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Klaus Ernst
about the PC110: two type II or one TypeIII PCMCIA slots and one CF Type I
slot.
This is a real quickchange artist. I have four 'personalities' with various
cards:
1) built-in Persona Ware (PIM) software in japanese
2) all DOS (Arachne browser) with one CF card and one PC memory card
3) Windows 3.1 with Opera and Eudora Lite (1 PC card, one CF card)
4) Windows95 with IBM microdrive and a CF card
All with a ZOOM PCMCIA modem card because the built-in modem is too slow.
It's a fun machine. Check out Daniel Basterfield's web site - he's the
champ!
http://www.basterfield.com/pc110/
On Ebay you can get a PC110 for about $500
Klaus
RonB
> Ron,
> I'm a retired phone tech. I carried the HP100LX in my toolbag. Served me
> well. I have a PC110 too. Battery runs out too fast. Also doesn't have a
> built-in serial port. I do have a serial PCMCIA card for it tho. I
> recommend the HPs (100LX or 200LX)
> Regards, Klaus Ernst NYC,USA
>
Hi Klaus,
Thanks for the information. I started by looking at the HP 100lx (or
200lx), looked at a lot of other possibilities and ended up deciding on the
100lx or 200lx after all. Did you run ProComm on your 100lx?
Again, thanks.
RonB
> Ron,
> about the PC110: two type II or one TypeIII PCMCIA slots and one CF Type
> I slot.
> This is a real quickchange artist. I have four 'personalities' with
> various cards:
> 1) built-in Persona Ware (PIM) software in japanese
> 2) all DOS (Arachne browser) with one CF card and one PC memory card
> 3) Windows 3.1 with Opera and Eudora Lite (1 PC card, one CF card)
> 4) Windows95 with IBM microdrive and a CF card
> All with a ZOOM PCMCIA modem card because the built-in modem is too
> slow. It's a fun machine. Check out Daniel Basterfield's web site - he's
> the champ!
> http://www.basterfield.com/pc110/
> On Ebay you can get a PC110 for about $500
> Klaus
>
Hi Klaus,
Someone had linked me to that page earlier. It does look like a nifty
machine. The last one that sold on eBay went for $200. If one shows up in
a few months (well after Christmas), in that price range, it would be hard
to resist it. I like these little gadgets the DOS palmtops and the PC-110
(didn't even know a lot about them until just recently). I think the
PC-110 is the computer that used a normal camcorder battery -- which
really impressed me (why didn't others think of that?).
Thanks again for writing.
Klaus Ernst
the HP
is pretty decent. Much better than the Psion S3a which has only TTY.
The HP has TTY,ANSI,VT100 and MAP(don't even know what MAP is).
The HP100 is almost exactly the same size as the S3a, just a little boxier.
The joke is: all the serial port adapters, gender changers and null modem
adapters plus the HP serial cable took up more room in my tool bag than
the palmtop itself.
PC110: the camcorder battery is SONY NP-F550
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RonB
> Yes, version 2.01. I just fired it up. But the built-in terminal
> software of the HP
> is pretty decent. Much better than the Psion S3a which has only TTY.
> The HP has TTY,ANSI,VT100 and MAP(don't even know what MAP is).
> The HP100 is almost exactly the same size as the S3a, just a little
> boxier. The joke is: all the serial port adapters, gender changers and
> null modem adapters plus the HP serial cable took up more room in my
> tool bag than the palmtop itself.
> PC110: the camcorder battery is SONY NP-F550
Thanks, Klaus, for all the information. I've got a couple VT-100 terminal
programs for the 3a and 3c. They work okay, but I really like my DOS
Procomm Plus. I'm happy to hear that the 100lx and 200lx are just slightly
"boxier" than the 3a. I wasn't sure, I thought maybe they were a bit bigger
than that (maybe a couple "bits"). I have the same deal with the Psion in
reference to cables, especially when direct connecting to an Option switch,
with all the null-modem adapters and gender changers required.
One last question. If I do get a 100lx and use Procomm Plus 2.01 with it,
and connect at 9600 baud, do you think this setup will have any trouble
with the capture file? Sometimes I like to extract information from
switches and import into a dBASE file for reference. (They can be fairly
large.) Once I got the program's buffer set up right I could do it on the
Psion, but I've read somewhere that the Terminal Application in the 100lx
had speed problems. I don't think it was a hardware problem, rather it was
in the built-in terminal application (i.e., Procomm Plus, I think, should
work fine). Should I look at a 200lx instead? (You mention that your 100lx
worked fine -- so maybe there's no truth in what I read -- or I've
remembered it wrong.)
Thanks again. It's great to get information about these little HP machines
from someone who uses (used) the way I would.
Klaus Ernst
>I've got a couple of VT-100 terminal programs for the 3a and 3c<
Don't get me started on that subject. The only one that worked
properly with my library catalog was Widget VT288d. Pcomm was the
worst (and not free).
If you want to see a picture of the S3a and 100LX next to each
other check http://ernstk.home.sprynet.com/palmetc.htm
Closed they are almost exactly the same. Open the S3a is a little
smaller probably because of the clever hinge design. I use the same
Psion bag for both.
I recall reading about the built-in terminal of the 100LX being slow.
But I don't remember the details/reason. I never had a problem.
You should be alright at 9600 baud. I transfered a lot of programs
from my PC with ProcommPlus to the 100LX maybe at 115K at least at 56K.
>Should I look at a 200LX instead?< well, I'm looking at the specs:
both have the same processor and the same speed (80C186 CPU at 7.91 MHz)
Both displays are 640X200 pixels. PCMCIA slots are both version 2.0
Both have DOS 5.0 Of course they might have tweaked the Terminal software.
The only obvious difference I know is that the 200 has Pocket Quicken
and the 100 not. The 100 is black, the 200 a blueish gray.
Klaus
P.S. Right now I'm setting up my new Clie PEG-SL10. K.
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John Angelo Gnassi
> > programs for the 3a and 3c. They work okay, but I really like my DOS
> > Procomm Plus. I'm happy to hear that the 100lx and 200lx are just slightly
Also consider DOS Kermit - works very well in HP 200LX palmtop
(http://kermit.columbia.edu), and has extremely faithful VT100
eumlation, as well as many others. However, the built-in serial port
uses a strange 10-pin HP adapter and has no buffer, so it is slow.
You'll do much better with a PCMCIA modem, as long as it draws less
than 150 mA, and if you run for more than a couple of minutes you'll
want to plug in to spare the batteries.
John A. Gnassi
RonB
> Ron,
>>I've got a couple of VT-100 terminal programs for the 3a and 3c<
> Don't get me started on that subject. The only one that worked
> properly with my library catalog was Widget VT288d. Pcomm was the
> worst (and not free).
I found a Widget VT-100 terminal cheap on eBay, but the VT-100 software
that worked well for me was the freeware nfcs. Once I got the buffer set
up correctly I didn't have much trouble at all. But I still like Procomm.
I think I heard bad things about Pcomm.
> If you want to see a picture of the S3a and 100LX next to each
> other check http://ernstk.home.sprynet.com/palmetc.htm
> Closed they are almost exactly the same. Open the S3a is a little
> smaller probably because of the clever hinge design. I use the same
> Psion bag for both.
I tried the link earlier but got an error. Now it's working fine. Great
comparison picture. I can't believe how small the PC-110 is. Amazing, a
full-blown 486, and not a lot larger than a 3a. I see you have a REX too.
It looks like a 100lx would fit in my Psion "wallet" also -- it's just a
big too big for the Psion anyhow (not custom). Thanks for these pictures,
tells me exactly what I wanted to know about the size.
> I recall reading about the built-in terminal of the 100LX being slow.
> But I don't remember the details/reason. I never had a problem.
> You should be alright at 9600 baud. I transfered a lot of programs
> from my PC with ProcommPlus to the 100LX maybe at 115K at least at 56K.
>>Should I look at a 200LX instead?< well, I'm looking at the specs:
> both have the same processor and the same speed (80C186 CPU at 7.91
> MHz) Both displays are 640X200 pixels. PCMCIA slots are both version
> 2.0 Both have DOS 5.0 Of course they might have tweaked the Terminal
> software. The only obvious difference I know is that the 200 has Pocket
> Quicken and the 100 not. The 100 is black, the 200 a blueish gray.
> Klaus
> P.S. Right now I'm setting up my new Clie PEG-SL10. K.
Thanks. Great information. As far as 100lx or 200lx, it'll probably come
to what's most reasonable on eBay when I'm ready to buy one. I see no
reason to pay a lot more for a 200lx.
RonB
> Also consider DOS Kermit - works very well in HP 200LX palmtop
> (http://kermit.columbia.edu), and has extremely faithful VT100
> eumlation, as well as many others. However, the built-in serial port
> uses a strange 10-pin HP adapter and has no buffer, so it is slow.
> You'll do much better with a PCMCIA modem, as long as it draws less
> than 150 mA, and if you run for more than a couple of minutes you'll
> want to plug in to spare the batteries.
>
Thanks for the information. This has got me a bit worried, though. I had
planned to use a memory card in the PCMCIA slot. I had already picked up a
Hayes pocket modem for the purpose. How slow is slow in this case? Can I
set up a buffer in the 200lx's (or 100lx's) memory? Rats.
As for DOS Kermit, I'll look into it, but I'm very happy with Procomm
Plus.
RonB
>
> "RonB" <ezbo...@lycos.com> wrote...
>
>> That said, I've just looked at some more PC-110 sites.
>
> Which ones were the best? Save the rest of us some time...
Hi,
The best site I've found is: http://www.basterfield.com/pc110/pc110idx.htm
Lots of links to other sites there.
> Given your application, why DOS? will a palm of a WinCE
> machine do the job or you?
No, because I have several DOS programs I want to use. WordStar 5.5,
ScriptThing for DOS, dBASE III+, some DOS chess games, etc., as well as
Procomm Plus and others.
Palm is not even a consideration, because I want a built-in, usable
keyboard.
I looked at a few WinCE machines with the idea of using PocketDOS, but the
machines that were "affordable" (in the price range I want to pay) weren't
powerful enough to run the emulator at a reasonable speed. I checked a few
other DOS palmtops, but came to the conclusion that the HP seemed best
(definitely the most common).
Thanks for the suggestions. You're right, if it was just a VT-100 emulator
almost anything would work -- even the Psions I already own (which have
very good built-in programs).
RonB
>
> Have you considered the product at [
> http://www.markspace.com/online.html ]?
Thanks for the link, but this product is for a Palm and I want a built-in,
usable keyboard. Actually I also *want* Procomm on my palmtop. Otherwise I
would just use my Psion, which has a good, freeware, VT-100 terminal
program.
Thanks for the suggestion and link and for writing.
Sven Utcke
> On Mon 11 Nov 2002 02:44:26p, John Angelo Gnassi, allegedly scribed:
>
> > Also consider DOS Kermit - works very well in HP 200LX palmtop
> > (http://kermit.columbia.edu), and has extremely faithful VT100
> > eumlation, as well as many others. However, the built-in serial port
> > uses a strange 10-pin HP adapter and has no buffer,
You mean FIFO?
> Thanks for the information. This has got me a bit worried, though. I had
> planned to use a memory card in the PCMCIA slot. I had already picked up a
> Hayes pocket modem for the purpose. How slow is slow in this case? Can I
> set up a buffer in the 200lx's (or 100lx's) memory?
If we are talking missing FIFOs: no. On my Sharp PC3100, which has
no FIFO either, I can not run kermit reliably at anything above
14400 (the Sharp is 10MHz). However, so far every programm I tried
was able to handle 9600. Some programms, written with these crippled
FIFOs in mind, have been reported to get up to 115200 (most noteably
ZIP, a file transfer utility which predates the archiver).
> As for DOS Kermit, I'll look into it, but I'm very happy with Procomm
> Plus.
The nice thing about kermit is that it can talk to more computers than
any other programm ever conceived. It _is_ slow, though, and in
particular on a computer without FIFO...
Sven
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as a DOS fan you must check out http://www.arachne.cz
I used their browser/email program on the PC110.
Check: DOS downloads ---> Downgrade packages They have
a version for HP-LX . I did not try that one.
Psion: I tried nfcs. OK but had problems with the library too.
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John Angelo Gnassi
> Thanks for the information. This has got me a bit worried, though. I had
> planned to use a memory card in the PCMCIA slot. I had already picked up a
> Hayes pocket modem for the purpose. How slow is slow in this case? Can I
> set up a buffer in the 200lx's (or 100lx's) memory? Rats.
IIRC, the maximum reliable speed in normal HP 100LX or 200LX through
the built in serial port is 9600 bps. However, 19200 is attainable
if you clock-double the motherboard to 16 MHz and run a small special
speed-up handling driver. The problem is the the serial port has no
buffer in hardware - it has to wait until the byte it is dealing with
is transmitted. More advanced serial ports store a few, typically up
to 16, bytes before requiring the CPU to deal with them all at once.
This latter type is called a buffered port, and the HP LXs don't have
it. AFAIK, all PCMCIA modem cards do have this hardware buffer.
That having been said, I have a clock-doubled 200LX and I can get up
to 57600 from the built-in port, but with some errors - I sometimes
throttle it back to 38400 or even 19200 if it seems that the retries
I am getting, particularly for longer transfers, are putting my
effective throughput that low anyway.
> As for DOS Kermit, I'll look into it, but I'm very happy with Procomm
> Plus.
I had used ProComm a long time ago too - it was a useful tool. As
you might guess, still using a 200LX and many DOS programs, I am a
proponent of using a tool until it no longer works for you. In case
someday you find it useful to change, reconsider Kermit then. It
runs on more machines than any other terminal emulating program,
including all modern OSs, is robust, programmable, and also a very
useful tool. Good luck.
John
RonB
> If we are talking missing FIFOs: no. On my Sharp PC3100, which has
> no FIFO either, I can not run kermit reliably at anything above
> 14400 (the Sharp is 10MHz). However, so far every programm I tried
> was able to handle 9600. Some programms, written with these crippled
> FIFOs in mind, have been reported to get up to 115200 (most noteably
> ZIP, a file transfer utility which predates the archiver).
For my switches, 9600 is the high end -- quite often they are set at 2400
baud -- so, if the HPs' performance match your PC3100, this should be
okay. This does change my search a bit, however. I figured on just buying
a 1 Meg machine and using compact flash memory for programs and storage.
It might be worth looking for a 2 Meg machine so that I can load some key
programs in the main memory and use a faster PCMCIA modem when needed.
> The nice thing about kermit is that it can talk to more computers than
> any other programm ever conceived. It _is_ slow, though, and in
> particular on a computer without FIFO...
Thanks. Is it small? If I end up with a 1 Meg machine it might be better
to put kermit in my main memory when I'm using a PCMCIA modem.
Thanks again.
RonB
> Ron,
> as a DOS fan you must check out http://www.arachne.cz
> I used their browser/email program on the PC110.
> Check: DOS downloads ---> Downgrade packages They have
> a version for HP-LX . I did not try that one.
Hi Klaus,
I'll look into arachne. I tried it a while back but probably didn't give
it enough time. (We got a Compuserve 2000 account, which made it
impossible for me to use anything *but* Windows 9x) I also used the DR-
Spyder for a while. It worked pretty well, when I had a real Internet
account. There's a good chance I'll be moving and well be changing to an
ISP where I can use DOS, Linux or whatever I want again. Thanks for the
link.
> Psion: I tried nfcs. OK but had problems with the library too.
> The Queens Public Library: Telnet: vax.queens.lib.ny.us
I guess I should say nfcs worked pretty well for my switches. Didn't do
much else with it.
Thanks again.
RonB
> IIRC, the maximum reliable speed in normal HP 100LX or 200LX through
> the built in serial port is 9600 bps. However, 19200 is attainable
> if you clock-double the motherboard to 16 MHz and run a small special
> speed-up handling driver. The problem is the the serial port has no
> buffer in hardware - it has to wait until the byte it is dealing with
> is transmitted. More advanced serial ports store a few, typically up
> to 16, bytes before requiring the CPU to deal with them all at once.
> This latter type is called a buffered port, and the HP LXs don't have
> it. AFAIK, all PCMCIA modem cards do have this hardware buffer.
As I mentioned in another message, 9600 will be fine for switches. If I
can get a clean 9600 baud I'll be happy. But I *do* think I may try to
find a 2 Meg machine now instead of 1 Meg so that I would have the PCMCIA
modem option if I decide I need the higher speed.
> That having been said, I have a clock-doubled 200LX and I can get up
> to 57600 from the built-in port, but with some errors - I sometimes
> throttle it back to 38400 or even 19200 if it seems that the retries
> I am getting, particularly for longer transfers, are putting my
> effective throughput that low anyway.
I'm guessing that doubling the clock on 200lx would be fairly expensive.
Does it cause any problems with the OS?
>> As for DOS Kermit, I'll look into it, but I'm very happy with Procomm
>> Plus.
>
> I had used ProComm a long time ago too - it was a useful tool. As
> you might guess, still using a 200LX and many DOS programs, I am a
> proponent of using a tool until it no longer works for you. In case
> someday you find it useful to change, reconsider Kermit then. It
> runs on more machines than any other terminal emulating program,
> including all modern OSs, is robust, programmable, and also a very
> useful tool. Good luck.
I'm definitely going to *have* look into Kermit. There's another poster in
this thread who is very happy with it. Must be something about it. Thanks.
Mel Zwillenberg
look into the Accurite Doubleslot (http://www.accurite.com). They are running
a sale on it right now, even though the web page says "October Special", it
is still available.
RonB
> If you want to use an HP100LX or HP200LX and find you need two PCMCIA
> slots, look into the Accurite Doubleslot (http://www.accurite.com).
> They are running a sale on it right now, even though the web page says
> "October Special", it is still available.
>
Thanks for the link.
Sven Utcke
> On Tue 12 Nov 2002 07:41:29a, Sven Utcke, allegedly scribed:
> > The nice thing about kermit is that it can talk to more computers than
> > any other programm ever conceived. It _is_ slow, though, and in
> > particular on a computer without FIFO...
>
> Thanks. Is it small?
256322 Byte. Of course you could compress that (which would prolong
startup time).
RonB
>> Thanks. Is it small?
>
> 256322 Byte. Of course you could compress that (which would prolong
> startup time).
>
Thanks.
John Angelo Gnassi
> As I mentioned in another message, 9600 will be fine for switches. If I
> can get a clean 9600 baud I'll be happy. But I *do* think I may try to
> find a 2 Meg machine now instead of 1 Meg so that I would have the PCMCIA
> modem option if I decide I need the higher speed.
Yes, 2 MB would do - gives you a 1.3MB C: drive.
> I'm guessing that doubling the clock on 200lx would be fairly expensive.
About $75, IIRC, at http://www.thaddeus.com/. However, they are
commonly referred to as double speed palmtops, or "DS" if you're
looking on E*Bay.
> Does it cause any problems with the OS?
Only that until the speed-up side-effect managing driver loads
from config.sys during boot-up, the screen is hard to read, and
battery life is reduced supposedly by ~20%.
Oh, and one last thing interesting about DOS Kermit - you can
download quite functional old versions that are under 64K in size.
You don't need the latest 256K 3.16 version.
John Angelo Gnassi
RonB
>> Does it cause any problems with the OS?
>
> Only that until the speed-up side-effect managing driver loads
> from config.sys during boot-up, the screen is hard to read, and
> battery life is reduced supposedly by ~20%.
I don't think the speed difference is all that significant to me. I
would rather have as much battery life as possible.
> Oh, and one last thing interesting about DOS Kermit - you can
> download quite functional old versions that are under 64K in size.
> You don't need the latest 256K 3.16 version.
>
Thanks again.
Sven Utcke
> Oh, and one last thing interesting about DOS Kermit - you can
> download quite functional old versions that are under 64K in size.
> You don't need the latest 256K 3.16 version.
Depends on what you want to do --- as far as I know, only the latest
has a working recursive directory backup.
Of course, if all you want is a Terminal, any version will do...