Development Kits For the Shar Zaurus
Sterling
Does anyone know where I can get a software development kit
for the Sharp Zaurus? I have been browsing many Web sites including
Sharps and have found no references to an SDK. I have also Emailed
Sharp but received no responses. Please Email responses to s...@panix.com.
Thanks in advance.
Sterling Brown
Harold M. Goldner
Sterling -
An SDK called "Pili" is available on CompuServe's Zaurus Forum. It is
the only SDK of which I am aware. The runtime module which is loaded on
the Zaurus is also available there as well as a handful of Pili applets.
Harold
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Sterling
Pili is actually an cross-platform interpreter. I want to develop native
code for the Zaurus ( a .ZPM file ). I called sharp but they were very
uncooperative.
Sterling
Harold M. Goldner <hgol...@concentric.net> wrote in article
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Murray Moffatt
If you're looking for PILI on the Internet, try the following FTP site:
ftp://ftp.crocodile.org/pub/zaurus/
There are a couple of PILI programs there, including some games.
Rupp's web site also has a PILI page with some programs.
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Jose Briones
Sterling (s...@panix.com) wrote:
:
: Pili is actually an cross-platform interpreter. I want to develop native
: code for the Zaurus ( a .ZPM file ). I called sharp but they were very
: uncooperative.
:
Not surprising.
Sharp's we-know-what-is-best-for-you approach from the New Coke/Ford Edsel
marketing school has the potential of dumping down the drain a two
year head start on the PDA market to WinCE devices.
Jose Briones
: Sterling
:
Alan Dawson
Harold M. Goldner wrote:
>
> Sterling -
>
> An SDK called "Pili" is available on CompuServe's Zaurus Forum. It is
> the only SDK of which I am aware. The runtime module which is loaded on
> the Zaurus is also available there as well as a handful of Pili applets.
>
> Harold
>
It is also available from Rupps development site:
This is the full kit with the run time module, there are also a few
example programs on there.
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Sterling
Jose Briones <Mxd...@cris.com> wrote in article
<5dv5h8$s...@chronicle.concentric.net>...
>
> Sterling (s...@panix.com) wrote:
> :
> : Pili is actually an cross-platform interpreter. I want to develop
native
> : code for the Zaurus ( a .ZPM file ). I called sharp but they were very
> : uncooperative.
> :
>
> Not surprising.
> Sharp's we-know-what-is-best-for-you approach from the New Coke/Ford
Edsel
> marketing school has the potential of dumping down the drain a two
> year head start on the PDA market to WinCE devices.
> Jose Briones
>
You are correct. Sharp will stand by and watch Windows CE catch up to the
Zaurus and overtake it in terms of product maturity and available software.
Sharp should be doing everything they can to make their product more
popular
with software developers. Even if this means giving away the SDK for
free!!
I purchased a Zaurus because it was a mature product with good software,
and
I had the hopes of developing software myself. Unfortunately Sharp is too
caught up with thinking that they have trade secrets to protect. This year
the Zaurus is a better product than WindowsCE. In the next year or so, I
can
see myself purchasing a WindowsCE device, because that will be the better
product.
Sterling Brown
Spiros Triantafyllopoulos
In comp.sys.palmtops Sterling <s...@panix.com> wrote:
: I purchased a Zaurus because it was a mature product with good software,
: and
: I had the hopes of developing software myself. Unfortunately Sharp is too
: caught up with thinking that they have trade secrets to protect. This year
: the Zaurus is a better product than WindowsCE. In the next year or so, I
: can
: see myself purchasing a WindowsCE device, because that will be the better
: product.
Sharp has another option, and that is to cut prices. As it is right now,
a CE machine is a no brainer decision over the top of the line
Zaurus, if they both sell for $500 or so. The only thing the Z has going
for it so far is a good customer base and the fact that CE machines need
some more debugging (Casio's battery problems, for example). If CE
machines and Z's were of equal maturity and are selling for the same
price one would have to be crazy to buy the Z.
Sorry to be so blunt, as I really like the Z and may end up buying
one when they drop in price (probably a 5800 if they discount them
like the 5000's a while back now that the 3500s are out).
Sharp needs to cut their prices quite a bit, stop selling gadgets,
offer connectivity at realistic prices ($129? not in my lifetime)
and offer the SDK to the masses. A $599 5800FX vs a $649 NEC CE 4MB
machine is a pretty easy decision to make. The Z needs to be
positioned towards Omnigo and Pilot prices ($300's with cheap
connect options). The 3000 is a good step but still overpriced.
Spiros
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Phil Earnhardt
On 17 Feb 1997 14:53:41 GMT, Spiros Triantafyllopoulos
<c2...@eng.delcoelect.com> wrote:
>Sharp has another option, and that is to cut prices. As it is right now,
>a CE machine is a no brainer decision over the top of the line
>Zaurus, if they both sell for $500 or so. The only thing the Z has going
>for it so far is a good customer base and the fact that CE machines need
>some more debugging (Casio's battery problems, for example). If CE
>machines and Z's were of equal maturity and are selling for the same
>price one would have to be crazy to buy the Z.
Shrug. I really like the Wizard, and may buy a Z.
Why? Because the outline processor is really spiffy *and* it's
interoperable with the outline processor in Netmanage's ECCO product.
In terms of organizing details, I have found nothing better than ECCO
for structuring data.
The bad news here: the software used to translate between the Sharps
and ECCO is provided by Intellilink. So far, they haven't supported
ECCO 4.0, which came out last November.
The other thing I like about the Sharps: the keyboard! As far as I've
seen, it is the best keyboard on the palmtops. I can "touch type"
pretty darn well with my two thumbs and holding the Wizard on the side
with my fingers.
If I were to go with the CE, I'd like something better than MS word to
use as a text editor. On Win95, I use Lugaru's Epsilon (an emacs-like
text editor). If Lugaru had a version of Epsilon for the CE, I'd be
strongly tempted to buy a CE machine and start using it. But, right
now, I'd lean towards buying a Z.
Questions:
1. Do you know of any CE palmtops that have a Sharp-like keyboard?
Clearly a Sharp CE machine would...
2. Does any software on the CE have a decent outline processor? It
would be really neat if there were a version of Netmanage ECCO for the
CE. However, it took Netmanage until November of 1996 to come up with
a 32-bit version of ECCO (that contained VIRTUALLY NO improvements/bug
fixes for ECCO -- it was simply port to Win32). I'm not holding my
breath for yet another port to WinCE. (Netmanage: are you listening?)
3. Any good plain-text text editors for the CE? An emacs-like clone
would be most wonderful.
4. How tough is it to port a Win95 app to WinCE? How much does
Microsoft charge for their CE toolkit?
>Sharp needs to cut their prices quite a bit, stop selling gadgets,
>offer connectivity at realistic prices ($129? not in my lifetime)
>and offer the SDK to the masses.
Agreed. Boys and girls: can we all say "Window of opportunity (rapidly
closing)."
>Spiros
--phil
Ron Nicholson
Anyone seen this news release?
http://biz.yahoo.com/bin/jump?/bw/97/02/26/coms_usrx_1.html+coms+97+02
NEW YORK--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Feb. 26, 1997-- 3Com Corp and
U.S. Robotics Corporation (Nasdaq:USRX) today announced a
definitive agreement to enter into the largest merger in the
history of the data networking industry. Upon closing, the
company will retain the 3Com name. ...
...
No mention of Palm. Does 3Com know anything about PDA marketing?
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Chuck Chopp
Phil Earnhardt wrote:
>
> On 17 Feb 1997 14:53:41 GMT, Spiros Triantafyllopoulos
> <c2...@eng.delcoelect.com> wrote:
>
snip...
> 4. How tough is it to port a Win95 app to WinCE? How much does
> Microsoft charge for their CE toolkit?
>
WinCE developer information is available from Microsoft's own web site.
Send email to Windows CE Developer Information <wce...@microsoft.com>
and request to join the beta program for the WinCE SDK. The development
environment is basically Visual C++ v4.0 on W/NT v4.0 with some WinCE
SDK add-ons. The add-ons include the subset of Win32 that WinCE uses,
cross compiler and WinCE emulator environment. Although it is not a low
end development environment, it is achievable by most independent
developers who are are serious about their development work in the
Windows world.
Chuck
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Eric Hunt
> No mention of Palm. Does 3Com know anything about PDA marketing?
As I understand it currently, Palm Computing is given a wide road to drive
on in terms of controlling all aspects of Pilot sales/marketing/engineering
themselves, with relatively minimal outside intrusion from USRobotics.
One can only hope this continues into the 3Com era.
Eric in Austin
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