Palm V Sneak Preview - Review with Pictures
Nigel
I've recently had the opportunity to check out 3Com's new Palm V PDA. I've
put up a web page with my findings, as well as some nice, high resolution
pictures. Come on by and check it out:
Enjoy!
-Nigel
Dave Terry
you have a pic of the Palm ON so that we can see the better screen? The
battery scares me too. How do you replace it? How much? My Palm is out of
the cradle most of the time so that means I'll have to make sure I place it
in it's cradle to recharge. How quick is the recharge?
So many questions so little time.
...dave
Nigel wrote in message ...
+AD4-Hi,
+AD4-
+AD4-I've recently had the opportunity to check out 3Com's new Palm V PDA. I've
+AD4-put up a web page with my findings, as well as some nice, high resolution
+AD4-pictures. Come on by and check it out:
+AD4-
+AD4-http://welcome.to/palmv
+AD4-
+AD4-Enjoy+ACE-
+AD4-
+AD4--Nigel
+AD4-
+AD4-
+AD4-
Werner Rutten
Pense
Pense
Werner Rutten wrote in message <7ab8na$k...@news.tue.nl>...
Dave Fisher
cased, which is a BIG factor :) )it's still only a PalmIII !
I think they are gonna have problems...
I realise that the Pilot got to where it is because it is VERY good at a few
things rather than being ok at LOTS of things, but this isn't going to carry
them on forever...If the new CE units are priced at a similar point then
your "un-educated" person (i.e. not someone who avidly reads this ng) is
just gonna shell out for the nice flashy colour CE unit and play their mp3
files on the road and plug in their CF or PC Card modem etc etc...
Now, while I think that playing mp3 files from your PDA is silly I do think
that certain innovations SHOULD be included... CF or PC Card is one of
these... If your gonna have a charger in the cradle let it use the battery
life !! Who goes three weeks without synching their pilot? And on the
subject of cradles, USB !!! for gods sake... I have a notebook with only the
one serial port, how do I connect my external ISDN modem? Why do I need to
carry my port replicator with me if I want to sync on the road? My notebook
has a USB port on it, use it !
Pense wrote in message <7abcbi$knd$1...@news.campus.mci.net>...
Frank Brochoven
news:7abg25$nlh$1...@usenet41.supernews.com...
>Who goes three weeks without synching their pilot?
When I'm on vacation, I don't sync it during at least 3 weeks.
Death to Spammers!!!
In article <7aber9$rp6$1...@nuhou.aloha.net>, TRASHd...@aloha.net says...
>
>I'm disappointed on the 2meg memory.I was hoping for at least 4.
Nope...the rumours allways said 2MB...thats why im more interested
in the Palm III X...the razor was allways planed to be a
thinner PalmIII with Li-Ion bat and a better LCD (i.e. less glare
and more contrast)...there was even a URL many months ago that said
*exactly* what it should be the future Palm's ...
For me, nothing of this is a surprise ;-)
>Also, do
>you have a pic of the Palm ON so that we can see the better screen?
Yes, he should do that...even so, the background color seems
far better than of the PalmIII...IMO,
the wild rumours about more res. or color was just that: Wild Rumours
I guess that for color you gonna need to whait for the Palm IX or
Palm X ;-)
(still this year, IMO)
>The battery scares me too. How do you replace it?
The bat. is a rechargeable Li-Ion polymer (the most advanced)
...and the bat. is the...back cover of the Razor !
You can replace it in the same way than the Cell Phone bat's...
very easy !!!
BTW, it seems that this new gen. of ultra thin Palm devices
will use a new type of mmem/fax connected to the back via
rs232 connector and a small "square" hole in the back...do you
see it ?
Regards
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(To email cut 'ooops' and use 'com' instead)
Palmboy
Nigel wrote in message ...
>Hi,
>
>I've recently had the opportunity to check out 3Com's new Palm V PDA. I've
>put up a web page with my findings, as well as some nice, high resolution
>pictures. Come on by and check it out:
>
>http://welcome.to/palmv
>
>Enjoy!
>
>-Nigel
>
>
>
Nathan Urban
> I'm disappointed on the 2meg memory. I was hoping for at least 4.
And the lack of upgradability means that it'll stay 2 MB. This might
be the deciding factor for me, as much as I love the form factor and
rechargable batteries.
M a r t i n i
::Dave Fisher <Dave....@NOSPAMHERE.null.net> wrote in message
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::
::>Who goes three weeks without synching their pilot?
::
::When I'm on vacation, I don't sync it during at least 3 weeks.
::
But considering you are on vacaction, I would assume are not entering too
much stuff.
But on the other hand when I was on my honeymoon, my wife kept a diary on the
Psion 3c I had at the time.
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GooBug
"Nigel" <pa...@hotbot.com> wrote:
> I've recently had the opportunity to check out 3Com's new Palm V PDA. I've
> put up a web page with my findings, as well as some nice, high resolution
> pictures. Come on by and check it out:
Hey! April 1st is six weeks away, couldn't wait huh? ;)
The images are not real. Looks like a not so good rendering using 3DSMAX! ;)
Giveaways; not photoreal, the metal is the wrong color. What up with the
streaking? Magnesium and Titanium are much lighter in color. The metal
contacts lack luster. The edges are way to sharp at the screen, hotsync port
and around the buttons. The scroll button is too tight for the case.
Amoung other things not right, The way EL displays work makes it not possible
for the LCD to be truely dark since it is illuminated from behind.
Etc, etc...
I could go on but why? ;)
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Ricardo Colon
the pictures on the web site are great!!
Russ Sadd
V for ages!
The first thing that strikes me about it is that it's not got any major
improvement on my older Palm Pro - the screen's still the same (they've only
tinkered with it a little), it's got a little more memory and some clever
proprietary slot (which annoys me in itself), and worst of all, its got a
built-in battery!
Right now, WinCE machines are criticized for having poor battery life. But
at least you can buy one with a replaceable battery! Palm IIIs sold on using
standard AAAs, so you never had to worry. Not being able to replace a
battery "on the road" is going to be annoying. Plus for the price, I'd
expect colour or at least higher-resolution. Just anything that would give
me reason to throw away my Pro and buy the new one!
Nice to hear it's a little slimmer and a little lighter than the III, plus a
designer case, but these are just cosmetic changes to the III. This machine
doesn't even try to trump the Wyverns: 3COM might just as well have changed
the screens in the III as they went along to the III-x, sold a designer
case, and pointed us towards rechargeable batteries. How much longer do 3COM
think they can trot out the same product?
Best regards,
Russ Sadd
Birmingham, UK
E-mail: gri...@dircon.co.uk
WWW: http://www.griffon.dircon.co.uk
Paul M
there a side hatch?
Palmboy wrote in message <7abtbk$9...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>...
>Can we assume that the Palm IIIx will have this new look and new features?
>
>Nigel wrote in message ...
>>Hi,
>>
>>put up a web page with my findings, as well as some nice, high resolution
>>pictures. Come on by and check it out:
>>
>>
>>Enjoy!
>>
>>-Nigel
>>
>>
>>
>
>
se...@smasher.com
> I've recently had the opportunity to check out 3Com's new Palm V PDA. I've
> put up a web page with my findings, as well as some nice, high resolution
> pictures. Come on by and check it out:
>
> http://welcome.to/palmv
Wow. How truly disappointing.
I wasn't disappointed by the appearance of the Palm III, because I figured it
was just an incremental improvement while we were waiting for the next
breakthrough model. The new breakthrough model is apparently here, and the
difference is... The screen? Is that all? I'll admit that the contrast on the
old Palms is lousy, but a new B&W screen isn't enough to get me to upgrade.
Here are my gripes with the machine pictured on those pages:
I don't see a speaker grill. A decent speaker is a minor improvement that
_would_ give me reasons to upgrade; for phone dialing, voice paging, games,
etc.
No upgrade slot? Part of the reason Palm has held on to their users is that
any palm user - even a 256k Pilot user - can upgrade to 2 megs and IR simply
by swapping memory cards. This machine looks like a dead end.
No color. I'll be the first to admit that I don't need color on my pilot, but
I do want it. Color (used wisely) can help you fit more information into a
small screen space, and that's important for palm. It's also important for
keeping their lead against MS and WinCE.
In my mind, the rechargeable battery is an _inconvenience_, since my pilot
spends more time in my hand and in my pocket than in the cradle, but an
inconvenience that would be offset by the color screen. If there's no color
screen, why the rechargeable battery? Aside from the form factor that is, but
I liked the palm III form factor.
What would I have liked to see?
Sound and color, of course. Compact Flash would be great. If they had doubled
the resolution (to 320x320) I'd be ecstatic.
If this is the machine that hits the streets in a week, I don't expect them
to fly off the shelves.
Sean Maher
se...@smasher.com
Death to Spammers!!!
>proprietary slot (which annoys me in itself), and worst of all, its got a
>built-in battery!
NO: you are mixing the PalmIII X with the Palm V specs !
Palm V : 2MB RAM w/o Open Connector Slot & Build-in battery.
PalmIII X: 4MB RAM with Open Connector Slot & AAA batteries.
Death to Spammers!!!
>there a side hatch?
AFAIK, the battery is the back cover of the Palm V...
Andrew Harmsworth
Russ Sadd wrote:
How much longer do 3COM
> think they can trot out the same product?
As long as sales are booming. I have said before that Palm will charge
what they can, but that they can probably produce these units for a lot
less, specially in the volumes they are selling.
Palm's business plan is almost certainly to sell to the general public,
most of whom never install a third party application. I's love to see
more gadgets and power, but I am in a minority, The general public like
style, simplicity, and V can probably be sold for $150 retail or so, but
we won't see that until there is real competition. As long a Palm is the
biggest player, and people will pay their prices for the machines as
fast as they can produce them, there is no point in dropping prices.
Gadgets will come, but only after the mass consumer demand is satisfied,
and the Palm VII is aimed at the Gadget lovers.
I am most interested in the rumoured Palm/GSM phones. Qualcomm has
jumped on Microsoft's bandwagon I hear, but Palm has dropped hints of
phone integration in their press release of the purchase of the French
Company recently.
Andrew
Russ Sadd
>>tinkered with it a little), it's got a little more memory and some clever
>>proprietary slot (which annoys me in itself), and worst of all, its got a
>>built-in battery!
>
>
>NO: you are mixing the PalmIII X with the Palm V specs !
>
>Palm V : 2MB RAM w/o Open Connector Slot & Build-in battery.
>PalmIII X: 4MB RAM with Open Connector Slot & AAA batteries.
What - not even the "open connector"? Good grief! So it's a step backwards
on the III-series?
Way to go, 3COM. Is it just me or are they blundering around aimlessly?
William Sloggy
the P5 are using the same system board. Possibly the power switch
might be moved to the top for the P3x along with the contrast switch
replacing the wheel as in the P5. That would make sense if the board
is the same- we will probably know by the end of the week.
The screen will be the same in both also.
The case of the P3x will be the same size as other P3's and will
accommodate more memory and the open connector card slot
William Sloggy
First the P5 does NOT have a card slot. And yes it does have a built
in batterry- a lithium-ion battery that is state of the art and will
last longer and better than any ni-cads you are used to.
The P5 is COOL it is a design masterpiece that probably will win
awards.
Ultimately it will succeed because of its mondo coollness factor. The
Win CE devices that are comming out are way too bulky and growing in
size as new features are added. The pilot succeeds by retaining
compatibility with the installed base of available software while
actually becoming more portable and functional.
On Tue, 16 Feb 1999 15:09:33 -0000, "Russ Sadd" <gri...@dircon.co.uk>
wrote:
>The first thing that strikes me about it is that it's not got any major
>improvement on my older Palm Pro - the screen's still the same (they've only
>tinkered with it a little), it's got a little more memory and some clever
>proprietary slot (which annoys me in itself), and worst of all, its got a
>built-in battery!
>
>Right now, WinCE machines are criticized for having poor battery life. But
>at least you can buy one with a replaceable battery! Palm IIIs sold on using
>standard AAAs, so you never had to worry. Not being able to replace a
>battery "on the road" is going to be annoying. Plus for the price, I'd
>expect colour or at least higher-resolution. Just anything that would give
>me reason to throw away my Pro and buy the new one!
>
>Nice to hear it's a little slimmer and a little lighter than the III, plus a
>designer case, but these are just cosmetic changes to the III. This machine
>doesn't even try to trump the Wyverns: 3COM might just as well have changed
>the screens in the III as they went along to the III-x, sold a designer
>case, and pointed us towards rechargeable batteries. How much longer do 3COM
Russ Sadd
>Palm's business plan is almost certainly to sell to the general public,
>most of whom never install a third party application. I's love to see
>more gadgets and power, but I am in a minority, The general public like
>style, simplicity, and V can probably be sold for $150 retail or so, but
>we won't see that until there is real competition. As long a Palm is the
>biggest player, and people will pay their prices for the machines as
>fast as they can produce them, there is no point in dropping prices.
But the WinCE machines might have the edge here, simply because they *look*
like Win95 in colour. If the Palm V is indeed sold at $400-500, then it's
going to be going head-to-head with these machines. I guess this will all
depend on how they end up pricing their models, as Palm Pilots will have to
be in the "cheap" end of the market.
>Gadgets will come, but only after the mass consumer demand is satisfied,
>and the Palm VII is aimed at the Gadget lovers.
Also a very limited market, as only certain parts of America have these
wireless networks. A very niche product, indeed.
>I am most interested in the rumoured Palm/GSM phones. Qualcomm has
>jumped on Microsoft's bandwagon I hear, but Palm has dropped hints of
>phone integration in their press release of the purchase of the French
>Company recently.
BT are reported to be collaborating with Microsoft to use WinCE in their
future mobiles, so there might be a head-to-head battle in the UK. Ericsson
and Nokia dominate the UK market (through the network side of things, too),
so it'll depend here on what models the four networks (Cellnet - GSM,
Vodafone - GSM, One2one - PCN, Orange - PCN) buy. BT have a large stake in
Cellnet and dominate the land-line market, so who knows?
Death to Spammers!!!
>on the III-series?
No, its not a step backwards:
It seems a Thinner Palm III with improved screen and Li-Ion bat.
BTW, it seems that the pictures and specs at that URL
are indeed *false* !!!! read anothor post that shows how
they are indeed fake !
(April 1st its not far ;-)))
Nathan Urban
> BTW, it seems that the pictures and specs at that URL
> are indeed *false* !!!!
Somebody on Slashdot said that the pictures _are_ accurate (he's seen
photos in the pre-release packet), so if they're faked they're at least
an excellent facsimile.
Death to Spammers!!!
Not for long: 'Rapier' rings a bell ?
They gonna drop the Win95 "look anf fell" :-))
>BT are reported to be collaborating with Microsoft to use WinCE in their
>future mobiles,
Not so: if you read carefully, they say 'services' and not
something like 'machines' or 'devices'...
Death to Spammers!!!
>> are indeed *false* !!!!
>Somebody on Slashdot said that the pictures _are_ accurate (he's seen
>photos in the pre-release packet), so if they're faked they're at least
>an excellent facsimile.
OK, in that case they cold an "artistic" "drawning" of the real
thing and so, they are almost 100% accurate...
BTW, now, almost all CE OEM's make the same thing:
Lots of the so called "pictures" are not *real* pictures
of the machines but fakes...(i.e. HP420 picture at C.Herrera
URL is clearly a fake...also some of the Nino "pictures" are also
fake, etc.)
Yves Petit
1. It's time they got rid of the open connector. Just for the looks of it.
2. Nothing improved in the OS, just minor changes I can accomplish on my PPPro
with just three hacks.
3. The case sucks. It looks like a Casio: good looks, no brains. Couldn't they
take it a step further?
4. No more memory? They should be ashamed.
5. Taking 1year and a half to come up with a new casing, what a development
team.
6. No new apps?
IF this is the new model, it's no winner.
And no, they cannot drag this incompetence until sales are dropping, cause by
then it's too late. The market likes innovators, they've got that image now, and
they should maintain it by everytime taking the idea of the original Palmpilot a
step further. It seems to me they've lost that original idea.
Why have I got the idea that since 3Com is involved, things are going bad?
Yves
Albert Nurick
>On Mon, 15 Feb 1999 23:29:16 -0800, "Nigel" <pa...@hotbot.com> wrote:
>
>> http://welcome.to/palmv
>
>1. It's time they got rid of the open connector. Just for the looks of it.
I'd love to see a transition to USB.
>2. Nothing improved in the OS, just minor changes I can accomplish on my PPPro
>with just three hacks.
Yep. 3Com seems to be dead in the water on software improvements. I wonder
why?
>3. The case sucks. It looks like a Casio: good looks, no brains. Couldn't they
>take it a step further?
I actually think the form factor is the one interesing thing about the product;
smaller is better. And the acceptance of the thin, metal-shelled PCs like the
Sony Vaio units tells me that this is a smart move.
>4. No more memory? They should be ashamed.
Agreed.
>5. Taking 1year and a half to come up with a new casing, what a development
>team.
IMO, 3Com seems content to milk the platform until the competition has gone
so far beyond that they're selling to the Avigo market. I would have thought
that the original PPC would have been a wakeup call.
>6. No new apps?
I guess they don't have any programmmers. :-(
>IF this is the new model, it's no winner.
I'm sure it'll sell, but it's certainly not an upgrade.
>And no, they cannot drag this incompetence until sales are dropping, cause by
>then it's too late. The market likes innovators, they've got that image now, and
>they should maintain it by everytime taking the idea of the original Palmpilot a
>step further. It seems to me they've lost that original idea.
Yep. It's the Mac all over again.
>Why have I got the idea that since 3Com is involved, things are going bad?
Darn good question. When is 3Com going to wake up?
--
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alb...@nurick.com - ICQ #4403737
Death to Spammers!!!
>with just three hacks.
>take it a step further?
>team.
>IF this is the new model, it's no winner.
It seems that you also are thinking that this one is the only
new model...one thing is the Palm V, another is the Palm III X:
The Palm III X will have the Open connector Slot, 4MB RAM,
the new LCD and still the AAA's...
Eric Diamond
III. Ho will I be able to put the PalmV in my pocket without having to buy a
case?
Eric
Nigel wrote in message ...
>Hi,
>
>I've recently had the opportunity to check out 3Com's new Palm V PDA. I've
>put up a web page with my findings, as well as some nice, high resolution
>pictures. Come on by and check it out:
>
>http://welcome.to/palmv
>
>Enjoy!
>
>-Nigel
>
>
>
Death to Spammers!!!
>III. Ho will I be able to put the PalmV in my pocket without having to buy a
>case?
I guess that only the Palm III X and Palm VII (and maybe the
future color model (Palm X ?) will use this screen cover...
Andy Chittum
for the photos!
>If the new CE units are priced at a similar point then
>your "un-educated" person
I agree it's a shame people don't realize the Palm and CE devices are really
aimed at different tasks. I've heard of a lot of people returning their CE
thingies and getting Palm instead, perhaps realizing they don't need all the
extra stuff. Works for me.
> I have a notebook with only the
>one serial port, how do I connect my external ISDN modem? Why do I need to
>carry my port replicator with me if I want to sync on the road? My notebook
>has a USB port on it, use it !
My laptop needs the replicator for serial as well, but I've been happy
syncing over IR.
Andy
Dave Fisher wrote in message <7abg25$nlh$1...@usenet41.supernews.com>...
>Even though it is thinner (and apart from the fact it is new and magnesium
<snip>
Jonathan F. Mellette
2 MB of RAM. As cheap as RAM is, and with similar devices
coming with 4 times as much (granted CE devices NEED 4 times
as much) I wish 3-COM would at LEAST bump it up to 4 MB.
Anyway, I'm waiting for the VII :) Any idea when this year
it is to be released?
Jonathan
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Death to Spammers!!!
>2 MB of RAM. As cheap as RAM is, and with similar devices
>coming with 4 times as much (granted CE devices NEED 4 times
>as much) I wish 3-COM would at LEAST bump it up to 4 MB.
>Anyway, I'm waiting for the VII :) Any idea when this year
>it is to be released?
No need ! (if you dont want/need the build-in wireless connectivity
of the Palm VII) just wait for the Palm III X:
~same shell than PalmIII with 4MB RAM, the same improved screen
of the Palm V, Open Connector Slot (for memory and I/O devices)...
Dave
>put up a web page with my findings, as well as some nice, high resolution
>pictures. Come on by and check it out:
>
>http://welcome.to/palmv
Thanks, Nigel, for the peek. I've been dying to see the machine for months
now.
Although the Palm V appears to only be a small step for the Palm platform, I
would like to point out two things.
1. Nobody makes a smaller machine that will do what the Palm V does. Nobody
comes close. No WinCE machine, no matter how powerful, will fit in your
shirt pocket better. Isn't that the point, having something small enough to
carry around wherever you go?
2. The main things I use on the Palm is the calendar, address book, to do
list, memo pad, and e-mail. Nothing else is more important than these core
functions. That is the basis of the Palm's success. It was the reason why
previous "palm" sized devices failed. Too many options does not make a
better machine.
I've "sold" dozens of Palm machines to my friends, co-workers, clients, and
others. My boss is already planning to buy the new "V" the day it comes out.
Why? Because, it has a better screen and a smaller, lighter case. That is
the only thing he wants changed on his machine. As far as he is concerned,
that is all he needs.
At $500, it is still a competitive price with WinCE machines.
Dave
Sheldon Weisel
> In article <7aber9$rp6$1...@nuhou.aloha.net>, "Dave Terry"
> <TRASHd...@aloha.net> wrote:
>
> > I'm disappointed on the 2meg memory. I was hoping for at least 4.
>
> And the lack of upgradability means that it'll stay 2 MB. This might
> be the deciding factor for me, as much as I love the form factor and
> rechargable batteries.
Boy, bitch, bitch, bitch....
Hey, for my money, I want the thinnest unit I can get my hands on.
That's one of the major things that attracted my to the Pilot.
I think the Palm V looks great, has rechargable batteries, and a better
screen. I want it, I need it, I gotta have it!
Christopher Diaz
3com is digging their own grave pricing this thing in the $4-500 range.
When you look at the new palm sitting there next to the color wince
palmpc's and $500 in hand I guarantee 9 out of 10 people will go for the
color wince. It all boils down to people want color and more memory. With
that same palm with 4-8 mb ram and a color screen it would whip wince even
without new software. Think about it!!
Chris
Brett Benson
GooBug wrote in message <7ac45s$rui$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>Amoung other things not right, The way EL displays work makes it not
possible
>for the LCD to be truely dark since it is illuminated from behind.
>
On the EL backlight issue-I just threw away a Casio or Timex digital watch
that had a reversed LCD face (white characters on black background). When I
hit the Indiglo backlight, only the numbers glowed. So it does work, but the
screen would have to be reversed to do it. Maybe the screen refreshes in
reverse when you turn on the backlight?
George S. Kong
since the original pilot 512K is more pixels, and they still
can't figure out how to do it!
----------------------------------------------------------
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hi92...@castor.ufsia.ac.be.NOSPAM (Yves Petit) wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Feb 1999 23:29:16 -0800, "Nigel" <pa...@hotbot.com> wrote:
>
> > http://welcome.to/palmv
>
>
> then it's too late. The market likes innovators, they've got that image now,
> and they should maintain it by everytime taking the idea of the original
> Palmpilot a step further. It seems to me they've lost that original idea.
Spot On analysis...
On the hardware side there is simply no way that 3COM can compete with the
combined assault from Philips, Compaq, HP, Casio, Everex, Uniden... and others
who wil eventually join in. They may have the edge for the time being... But
if this thing is really priced at $4-500, I think PPC's will start catching up
rather fast...
regards...
Death to Spammers!!!
>comes close. No WinCE machine, no matter how powerful, will fit in your
>shirt pocket better. Isn't that the point, having something small enough to
>carry around wherever you go?
Exactly !!!!
I have "plenty" of shirts with pockets too small even for the
current palmIII !
But, with a machine so thin... :-)
M a r t i n i
::3121...@ThisIsNotARealEmailAddress.Com said on stardate 16.02.99 the
:: following
::about Re: Palm V Sneak Preview - Review with Pictures :
::
::> But on the other hand when I was on my honeymoon, my wife kept a diary on
:: the
::> Psion 3c I had at the time.
::
::One feels tempted to ask *what* she kept a diary of ;-)
::
::Chris
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the geek/computer demagraphic. They are marketing the palm at the consumer
non-geek demagraphic which probably likes the simple and easy to use
functionality of the Palms. So for 95% of the population the palm machines
get the job done. Thats probably the reason why there marketshare is so
high.
I'm not looking for a computer that I can carry around, I'm looking for an
organizer that I can carry around and the palms fit the job perfectly.
If somebody wants the kitchen sink, they should by all means go to the
PSPC machines.
Dave
Death to Spammers!!!
We all know what happens to "recommended" prices :-)
Dgman
>of the Palm VII) just wait for the Palm III X:
>~same shell than PalmIII with 4MB RAM, the same improved screen
>of the Palm V, Open Connector Slot (for memory and I/O devices)...
>
Will a TRG 8MB card work in the Palm3x?
R. Tang
>In article <36c9c1e4...@news.turboline.be>,
> hi92...@castor.ufsia.ac.be.NOSPAM (Yves Petit) wrote:
>> On Mon, 15 Feb 1999 23:29:16 -0800, "Nigel" <pa...@hotbot.com> wrote:
>>
>> > http://welcome.to/palmv
>>
>> IF this is the new model, it's no winner.
>>
>> And no, they cannot drag this incompetence until sales are dropping, cause by
>> then it's too late. The market likes innovators, they've got that image now,
>> and they should maintain it by everytime taking the idea of the original
>> Palmpilot a step further. It seems to me they've lost that original idea.
>> Why have I got the idea that since 3Com is involved, things are going bad?
>
>Spot On analysis...
It completely misses the mark.
The Palm was hardly about innovation; it was packaging a
FUNCTIONAL product at a particular price point. Complaining about lack of
features completely undercuts the point of a Palm.
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Frank Brochoven wrote:
>
> Dave Fisher <Dave....@NOSPAMHERE.null.net> wrote in message
> news:7abg25$nlh$1...@usenet41.supernews.com...
>
> >Who goes three weeks without synching their pilot?
>
> When I'm on vacation, I don't sync it during at least 3 weeks.
Hey...and now the page,
...is gone. Interesting.
bp
David (Dragon) Fiedler
news:7AyvL...@wuppertal.rhein-main.de...
> 3121...@ThisIsNotARealEmailAddress.Com said on stardate 16.02.99 the
following
> about Re: Palm V Sneak Preview - Review with Pictures :
>
> > But on the other hand when I was on my honeymoon, my wife kept a diary
on the
> > Psion 3c I had at the time.
>
> One feels tempted to ask *what* she kept a diary of ;-)
>
> Chris
Didn't you read the title of this thread? "Review with pictures"!!! :-))
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disappearing all of a sudden, I think this is the right moment for Nigel to
enlighten things and tell us what is happening here.
Wainting for your reaction, Nigel.
Nigel wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've recently had the opportunity to check out 3Com's new Palm V PDA. I've
> put up a web page with my findings, as well as some nice, high resolution
> pictures. Come on by and check it out:
>
> http://welcome.to/palmv
>
> Enjoy!
>
> -Nigel
Death to Spammers!!!
>disappearing all of a sudden, I think this is the right moment for Nigel to
>enlighten things and tell us what is happening here.
Im not Nigel, but...
The "pictures" are accurate anf i guess that the page disappeared
because of 3Com...
Palmboy
The PIIIx has open slot, and more ram (4megs). How can the V be more
expensive? Looks and width are the only thing that the PIIIx does not have
compared t the V. I mean 4-500 dollars is much more than the IIIx.
Go figure?
David Wang wrote in message ...
>I'd have to disagree. I don't think 3com is marketing the Palm machines at
>the geek/computer demagraphic. They are marketing the palm at the consumer
>non-geek demagraphic which probably likes the simple and easy to use
>functionality of the Palms. So for 95% of the population the palm machines
>get the job done. Thats probably the reason why there marketshare is so
>high.
>
>I'm not looking for a computer that I can carry around, I'm looking for an
>organizer that I can carry around and the palms fit the job perfectly.
>
>If somebody wants the kitchen sink, they should by all means go to the
>PSPC machines.
>
>Dave
>
>In article <7ad55f$qgd$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, le...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>In article <36c9c1e4...@news.turboline.be>,
>> hi92...@castor.ufsia.ac.be.NOSPAM (Yves Petit) wrote:
>>> On Mon, 15 Feb 1999 23:29:16 -0800, "Nigel" <pa...@hotbot.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > http://welcome.to/palmv
>>>
>>> IF this is the new model, it's no winner.
>>>
>>> And no, they cannot drag this incompetence until sales are dropping,
cause by
>>> then it's too late. The market likes innovators, they've got that image
now,
>>> and they should maintain it by everytime taking the idea of the original
>>> Palmpilot a step further. It seems to me they've lost that original
idea.
>>> Why have I got the idea that since 3Com is involved, things are going
bad?
>>
>>Spot On analysis...
>>
le...@yahoo.com
dw...@shell1.ncal.verio.com (David Wang) wrote:
> I'd have to disagree. I don't think 3com is marketing the Palm machines at
> the geek/computer demagraphic. They are marketing the palm at the consumer
> non-geek demagraphic which probably likes the simple and easy to use
> functionality of the Palms. So for 95% of the population the palm machines
> get the job done. Thats probably the reason why there marketshare is so
> high.
So how do you explain the fact that simple and easy to use Mac's of the early
90's eventually lost in the market place to an inferior PC + DOS + Win 3.1
package? Just when the "average" consumer started fueling the PC boom...
I agree that Palm's current product lineup is suitable for 95% of the
population. But $4-500 for new models that essentially does the same thing as
an original Pilot 1000? Please wake up 3COM!!!
Palmboy
They are being so GOD-DAMN secret about this stuff it is pitiful.
Death to Spammers!!! wrote in message <7aefhl$e94$1...@duke.telepac.pt>...
Bob
Is there a URL error?
Bob
On Mon, 15 Feb 1999 23:29:16 -0800, "Nigel" <pa...@hotbot.com> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I've recently had the opportunity to check out 3Com's new Palm V PDA. I've
>put up a web page with my findings, as well as some nice, high resolution
>pictures. Come on by and check it out:
>
>http://welcome.to/palmv
>
>Enjoy!
>
>-Nigel
>
>
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>3COM probably threatened him with a lawsuit if he didn't take the site down.
>They are being so GOD-DAMN secret about this stuff it is pitiful.
>
Or it got hammered to death. I saw at least 4 news articles on the web
yesterday, all pointing to that page. One of which was slashdot.org,
which is notorious for knocking down servers.
I prefer to think that my theory is more accurate.
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When I am not in my right mind, my left gets pretty crowded.
Yves Petit
And they're still there. Maybe he just slipped what 3Com didn't like :(
Yves
TerryT
will have compact flash, color screen, MP-3 and video playback, wireless
communications (not the hal-ass version of the $800 palm) much faster
processor etc. etc. This is a joke and supports my original conculsion
that 3com doesn't know what they are doing.
-Terry
In article <7acuba$51u$1...@news.connect.net>, dont...@KILLhotSPAMmail.com
says...
> Nigel wrote in message ...
> >put up a web page with my findings, as well as some nice, high resolution
> >pictures. Come on by and check it out:
> >
> >http://welcome.to/palmv
>
>
> now.
>
> Although the Palm V appears to only be a small step for the Palm platform, I
> would like to point out two things.
>
> comes close. No WinCE machine, no matter how powerful, will fit in your
> shirt pocket better. Isn't that the point, having something small enough to
> carry around wherever you go?
>
TerryT
-Terry
In article <7ad9n1$ird$1...@duke.telepac.pt>, kr...@mail.geocities.ooops
says...
Steven G. Tyler
> Hey...and now the page,
>
> http://welcome.to/palmv
>
> ...is gone. Interesting.
Hmmm. In the absence of a response from Nigel, and in the presence of a
lot of speculation about 3Com shutting the site down, and in the
interest of free discussion, I have mirrored Nigel's original page
(amended only to delete that annoying pop-up!) at:
http://members.aol.com/newpalmv/index.html
Unless and until requested by Nigel, or until pressured by someone else,
I will keep this page up. If asked/pressured to take it down, I *will*
report to the ng! Let's see what happens! ;-)
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(http://members.aol.com/troop339)
Nathan Urban
> Nathan Urban wrote:
> > In article <7aber9$rp6$1...@nuhou.aloha.net>, "Dave Terry"
> > <TRASHd...@aloha.net> wrote:
> > > I'm disappointed on the 2meg memory. I was hoping for at least 4.
> > And the lack of upgradability means that it'll stay 2 MB. This might
> > be the deciding factor for me, as much as I love the form factor and
> > rechargable batteries.
> Boy, bitch, bitch, bitch....
I said I loved the form factor and rechargable batteries. It's not like
this is biased slamming or anything.
> Hey, for my money, I want the thinnest unit I can get my hands on.
I want the thinnest unit I can get my hands on that meets my needs and
usage patterns. It doesn't matter how sleek or thin it is if it doesn't
do what I need. I like to carry a fair number of apps and data with me.
2 MB is pretty sparse for me.
Palmboy
Donald Roeber wrote in message ...
Bryan Doviack
You should change the header in your post so all of us can see it better. An
interesting viewing page like yours shouldn't get lost in all of our
commentary. Just a suggestion.
Bryan Doviack
Steven G. Tyler <sgt...@erols.com> wrote in message
news:36CAFA16...@erols.com...
Death to Spammers!!!
Go for the Palm III X...
Death to Spammers!!!
>The PIIIx has open slot, and more ram (4megs). How can the V be more
>expensive? Looks and width are the only thing that the PIIIx does not have
>compared t the V. I mean 4-500 dollars is much more than the IIIx.
1- Metal case
2- Li-Ion Polymer battery
Nathan Urban
> >2 MB is pretty sparse for me.
> Go for the Palm III X...
Yeah, but I was really looking forward to some of the V features
(size, batteries, left-hand stylus slot). I'm hoping that when the V is
officially announced, someone will say something about RAM upgradability,
but from everything I've heard, that's not gonna happen. So I might
have to go with the IIIx.
David Teich
the
> combined assault from Philips, Compaq, HP, Casio, Everex, Uniden... and
others
> who wil eventually join in. They may have the edge for the time being...
But
> if this thing is really priced at $4-500, I think PPC's will start
catching up
> rather fast...
I have to agree. There are minimal Palm competitors coming out with just
the four basic functions that are in the $100 price range. The WinCE
devices are overpriced for performance in the $400-600 range. IMHO, the
reason the Pilot has succeeded is becaus of:
- minimal basic functions
- easily adding 3rd party software
- great price point.
If they're going to go up directly against the WinCE price without the
sexiness of the WinCE products' bells and whistles (regardless of how
useless in the real world), 3Com will have serious trouble. If the product
isn't changing much, it needs to be priced below the WinCE devices.
dat
David Teich
>
> It completely misses the mark.
>
> The Palm was hardly about innovation; it was packaging a
> FUNCTIONAL product at a particular price point. Complaining about lack of
> features completely undercuts the point of a Palm.
Nope, you miss the mark. It's not a question of functionality. It's a
question of function V price, just as you mention. The complaint was about
lack of function in comparison with products at the pricepoint to which the
product is moving. A very dangerous decision.
dat
Death to Spammers!!!
>the four basic functions that are in the $100 price range. The WinCE
You mean the DaVinci ? with Palm III's at ~$150 they are in trouble...
>If they're going to go up directly against the WinCE price without the
>sexiness of the WinCE products' bells and whistles (regardless of how
>useless in the real world), 3Com will have serious trouble. If the product
>isn't changing much, it needs to be priced below the WinCE devices.
Yes, but the machines arent allready out and the price is allready
droping real fast:
IIRC,
$345 for a Palm III X ($390 "oficial")
$430 for a Palm V ($490 "oficial")
Imagine when they arrive shops...
Yves Petit
> Its not even close to competitive to a CE at $500. The color Palm PC's
> will have compact flash, color screen, MP-3 and video playback, wireless
> communications (not the hal-ass version of the $800 palm) much faster
> processor etc. etc.
If I want all this, I have Pentium II at home with all this.
I want a Palm with memory for some databses, extra apps, datebook, and addresss.
The looks should be right, it should be functional, and all this at a reasonable
price. I don't want a WinCE machine, a want a better Palm.
Palm just distanciated itself from all the extras, that's what made it so
strong: an add-on, a portable extension of your desktop, not a substitute. One
day I went into this shop, and the guy didn't have a desktop anymore, he only
had a Psion5. Poor him, staring a whole day at that screen.
Palm should focus on what additional features it can bring to its product
without expanding into the eternity.
A Palm is and should stay a protable extehnsion of your desktop, that's what
it's best at.
Just my 0.02
Yves
Ken Wright
reference to the PalmV anywhere. What am I overlooking?
Thanks,
Ken
>Nigel wrote in message ...
>>Hi,
>>
>>I've recently had the opportunity to check out 3Com's new Palm V PDA. I've
>>put up a web page with my findings, as well as some nice, high resolution
>>pictures. Come on by and check it out:
>>
>>http://welcome.to/palmv
>>
>>Enjoy!
>>
>>-Nigel
Jonathan F. Mellette
> No need ! (if you dont want/need the build-in wireless connectivity
> of the Palm VII) just wait for the Palm III X:
> ~same shell than PalmIII with 4MB RAM, the same improved screen
> of the Palm V, Open Connector Slot (for memory and I/O devices)...
Oh, but I very much do what the built-in wireless connectivity.
What could be cooler than needing a phone number to order some
sushi or pizza while I'm out and loading yp.ameritech.net in my
palm and getting the phone number. And if I ever get lost...hell
no I won't ask for directions...www.mapquest.com here I com..er, come.
But I NEED more than 2 MB of RAM. I pray the VII doesn't come with
only 2 MB!
Jonathan
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>reference to the PalmV anywhere. What am I overlooking?
New URL:
http://members.aol.com/newpalmv/index.html
R. Tang
Yves Petit <hi92...@castor.ufsia.ac.be.NOSPAM> wrote:
>On Wed, 17 Feb 1999 10:59:50 -0600, cyc...@shout.net (TerryT) wrote:
>
>> Its not even close to competitive to a CE at $500. The color Palm PC's
>> will have compact flash, color screen, MP-3 and video playback, wireless
>> communications (not the hal-ass version of the $800 palm) much faster
>> processor etc. etc.
>
>If I want all this, I have Pentium II at home with all this.
>
>I want a Palm with memory for some databses, extra apps, datebook, and addresss.
>The looks should be right, it should be functional, and all this at a reasonable
>price. I don't want a WinCE machine, a want a better Palm.
>
>Palm just distanciated itself from all the extras, that's what made it so
>strong: an add-on, a portable extension of your desktop, not a substitute.
This is precisely the point. It's supposed to work in tandem with
a desktop, not replace it.
One might debate what it DOES replace (such as a paper Day
planner, etc.), but you can't forget the core functionality of the Palm,
which includes portability, long battery life, easy input and easy backup.
Concentrate on what it DOES and not just the specs.
>Palm should focus on what additional features it can bring to its product
>without expanding into the eternity.
Better screen? Sure. Color screen? Not at the expense of battery
life; if you can't go through a single work day or two of constant use
without recharging or replacing batteries, it defeats the purpose. Voice
recording? Maybe. MP3? Hell, no....
>A Palm is and should stay a protable extehnsion of your desktop, that's what
>it's best at.
>
>Just my 0.02
>
>Yves
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Oscar Bernardez
should go out and get CE units. What's the point in complaining about the Palm when
there are other options. The other options being win CE. If you want a Palm, then
use it for what is. Beggars can't be "choosers," well I guess they can be, if they
go out and buy a CE. Like David said, 3com is targeting a specific market, the
average person. I'm really glad that 3com is now reducing the size of the palms.
Maybe now I can actually use my palm pro in the spring and summer now - it will fit
in my front pocket in jeans and not look funny.
David Wang wrote:
> I'd have to disagree. I don't think 3com is marketing the Palm machines at
> the geek/computer demagraphic. They are marketing the palm at the consumer
> non-geek demagraphic which probably likes the simple and easy to use
> functionality of the Palms. So for 95% of the population the palm machines
> get the job done. Thats probably the reason why there marketshare is so
> high.
>
Dave Fisher
WinCE interface is not suitable for a screen format such as a Pilot or
PPC...
But did someone mention a different interface?
Oscar Bernardez wrote in message <36CB7CCD...@lynx.neu.edu>...
Michael J. Anderson
inserts into the empty stylus slot, which makes it perfect for right-or
left-handed people.
I hope that this is true...
Mike
Death to Spammers!!! wrote in message <7ack09$iq2$3...@duke.telepac.pt>...
>>Uh, where is the screen cover? That was a big selling point for the Palm
>>III. Ho will I be able to put the PalmV in my pocket without having to buy
a
>>case?
>
>I guess that only the Palm III X and Palm VII (and maybe the
>future color model (Palm X ?) will use this screen cover...
bob
>Hi,
>
>I've recently had the opportunity to check out 3Com's new Palm V PDA. I've
>put up a web page with my findings, as well as some nice, high resolution
>pictures. Come on by and check it out:
>
>http://welcome.to/palmv
>
>Enjoy!
>
>-Nigel
>
>
>
umm... yey... I'm sticking to my palmpro dudes.
Steven G. Tyler
Since the Palm V is apparently out now, I'll take down the mirror site
soon, but since Nigel's original site is still down but people keep
referring to it, I'll repeat the link to my mirror of the above site:
http://members.aol.com/newpalmv/index.html
James
That's fine, bob.
Why does this debate between CE and Palm exist? This has been somewhat
moderately entertaining (almost-but-not-quite) and the continuation of it
just seems to me to be stupid. I'm not referring to pointing out specs
that one of these machines has, but instead referring to "criticizing"
the other manufacturer because of something that's *absent*.
Two different types of machines.
Two different purposes.
If the options you are looking for are completely present in the CE
machines, by all means, go buy a CE machine. The Palm platform isn't
*meant* to be the CE platform.
For example... you'll probably never see those cute little "headlight
wipers" that are on some mercedes' cars, on a Chevy Silverado. Are they
useful on the Mercedes? Undoubtedly. Does a Silverado owner need 'em?
I doubt it.
Kiddies, choices in this society are a good thing, and one wonderful
thing about this world is that oftentimes we're allowed the freedom to
make our own. Instead of bugging Chevrolet to put headlight wipers on a
Silverado pickup truck, go buy yerself a Mercedes and be happy that you
have what you want.
Most of us don't really want headlight wipers.
Play nice. If you want a 64MB Compact Flash card to work in your PDA,
there's a choice for you. If you want MP3 Playback on your PDA, the
capability exists, and the choice is already obvious. Go with the one
with the CF slot, so you can buy yourself that 64MB card to store your
MP3's on. The smallest MP3 that I currently have is over 1.5MB in size,
and I don't feel like sacrificing my add-on programs to make room for it,
even if the Palm OS could support it. For me, the obvious choice is
simplicity in itself. I do not need MP3's at work, nor do I need much of
anything that the CE platform could provide me over and above what the
Palm platform does. It's just my choice. Best for everybody? There is
no such beast.
Agree? Disagree?
James
On Sun, 21 Feb 1999, bob wrote:
> umm... yey... I'm sticking to my palmpro dudes.
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Death to Spammers!!!
>moderately entertaining (almost-but-not-quite) and the continuation of it
>just seems to me to be stupid. I'm not referring to pointing out specs
>that one of these machines has, but instead referring to "criticizing"
>the other manufacturer because of something that's *absent*.
Excelent post...i myself will refrain to continue to make
thiss kind of posts...unless that i continue to read posts
with wrong info that IMO, it was done only to make
people misinformed...
David Orriss Jr
<sgt...@erols.com> wrote:
>Blake Patterson wrote:
> [snip]
>
>Hmmm. In the absence of a response from Nigel, and in the presence of a
>lot of speculation about 3Com shutting the site down, and in the
>interest of free discussion, I have mirrored Nigel's original page
>(amended only to delete that annoying pop-up!) at:
>
>http://members.aol.com/newpalmv/index.html
>
Thanks Steve. I've put a link to it (as well as links to an apparent
prototype of the color Palm IIIc at my online 'Zine). Anyone
interested in checking out DaveNet.Net? Click the link below and
you're on your way.
--
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Editor in Chief, DaveNet.Net
http://www.davenet.net
Covering PDA Technology.
Albert Nurick
>Play nice. If you want a 64MB Compact Flash card to work in your PDA,
>there's a choice for you. If you want MP3 Playback on your PDA, the
>capability exists, and the choice is already obvious. Go with the one
>with the CF slot, so you can buy yourself that 64MB card to store your
>MP3's on. The smallest MP3 that I currently have is over 1.5MB in size,
>and I don't feel like sacrificing my add-on programs to make room for it,
>even if the Palm OS could support it. For me, the obvious choice is
>simplicity in itself. I do not need MP3's at work, nor do I need much of
>anything that the CE platform could provide me over and above what the
>Palm platform does. It's just my choice. Best for everybody? There is
>no such beast.
>
>Agree? Disagree?
I agree 100%, James. Pick the model that's best for you. You and I would
no doubt differ about whether most folks care about the WinCE extras, but
that's what makes Usenet so entertaining. :-)
OTOH, why does 3Com charge so much for a system with a lower resolution
LCD, less RAM, and a slower CPU? When I compare an E-11 with a Palm III
side-by-side, I keep thinking that the Palm III should have a $149 MSRP.
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Death to Spammers!!!
Its a fake...
Christopher Wong
>
>OTOH, why does 3Com charge so much for a system with a lower resolution
>LCD, less RAM, and a slower CPU? When I compare an E-11 with a Palm III
>side-by-side, I keep thinking that the Palm III should have a $149 MSRP.
Why? Because they can. Supply and demand, remember? Lots of people think
that it is worth the selling price, allowing 3Com to make buckets of
money. The Palm platform offers a mix of features (size, battery life,
usability, responsiveness ...) that makes the whole greater than the sum
of the physical parts. This annoys some users of competing platforms,
who find it necessary to spend a lot of time bashing the Palm platform
:-).
Chris
Death to Spammers!!!
>who find it necessary to spend a lot of time bashing the Palm platform
>:-).
...from which the "King" is Albert Nurick ;-)
(Albert N.: dont waist time answering my post
because you are in my KillFile :-))
Evan Ruff
is the exact size of a Palm IIIx)
AGAIN - Let the blind anti-WinCE filth spew forth.... (in fact, I'm going to
copy that saying to my clip board for easy repetition)
Evan
Death to Spammers!!! wrote in message <7asamn$sop$3...@duke.telepac.pt>...
>>Why does this debate between CE and Palm exist? This has been somewhat
>>moderately entertaining (almost-but-not-quite) and the continuation of it
>>just seems to me to be stupid. I'm not referring to pointing out specs
>>that one of these machines has, but instead referring to "criticizing"
>>the other manufacturer because of something that's *absent*.
>
>Excelent post...i myself will refrain to continue to make
>thiss kind of posts...unless that i continue to read posts
>with wrong info that IMO, it was done only to make
>people misinformed...
>
Mark Webster
> subject of cradles, USB !!! for gods sake... I have a notebook with only the
> one serial port, how do I connect my external ISDN modem? Why do I need to
> carry my port replicator with me if I want to sync on the road? My notebook
> has a USB port on it, use it !
I want to (very loudly) second the call for USB. Think of all us Mac &
Pilot users out there!
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Death to Spammers!!!
>is the exact size of a Palm IIIx)
...and can you tell me,
*where* and *when* i said anything diferent ?! :-))
Regards
--
Amandio J.S. Bacalhau < kr...@mail.geocities.ooops >
(To email cut 'ooops' and use 'com' instead)
BUYometer: Palm IIIx <----------|----------> Palm V
^
Death to Spammers!!!
i havent truly understood what you mean with that...this the
the real answer...
>You are the KING of misinformation (witness the Palm V with modem attached
>is the exact size of a Palm IIIx)
If someone is the KING of misinformation is YOU,
because I allways said the above
(Palm V & Palm V modem/fax is ~same size of Palm III alone)
and that information is *C*O*R*R*E*C*T* :-)
Check the format of the new modem/fax...
http://208.23.40.50/isroot/PalmII/SiteImages/10401U.jpg
...and you will understand it...
>AGAIN - Let the blind anti-WinCE filth spew forth....
You should look in a mirror and say to yourself...
'Let the blind anti-PalmOS filth spew forth...'
...each time before making a post :-))))))
Goodbye for good...
(i.e. you are know in my KillFile :-))
Phil Wheeler
"Death to Spammers!!!" wrote:
> BUYometer: Palm IIIx <----------|----------> Palm V
> ^
Does this mean you would buy either/neither one. My slider is much
closer to the IIIx. Given the RAM situation and the glitz, seems like
the V is for PDA types, mostly. IIIx will support more apps,
expandability, etc.
Just curious.
Phil
Death to Spammers!!!
>closer to the IIIx. Given the RAM situation and the glitz, seems like
>the V is for PDA types, mostly. IIIx will support more apps,
>expandability, etc.
No, what it means is that its sooooo dificult to choose between
the two models :-)
BTW, it changed again and again ! (thanks to the TRG announcement
...OTOH, the new price of the Palm V change it again !)
However, I will decide this week...
Regards
--
Amandio J.S. Bacalhau < kr...@mail.geocities.ooops >
(To email cut 'ooops' and use 'com' instead)
Phil Wheeler
"Death to Spammers!!!" wrote:
>
> However, I will decide this week...
>
Be careful. I'm told that to look is to buy (now if I could just find a
IIIx to Look at and Buy!).
Phil
Buster
newsgroup (mostly based on reproduction of what others have already
said) it gets a little difficult for you to remember what you've said.
;-)
No hard feelings (4th amendment). I'ts just that I'm still waiting for
your first quality contribution to this newsgroup (i.e. not responding
to messages for the sake of responding, but actually......well, I think
you've got my point).
Like I said, no hard feelings. I know more people who have the urge of
talking when there's actually nothing to be said and I know more people
who consider themselves experts because they repeat information they
pick up from others and I get along well with them......since I started
to be aware of their behavior that is.
Cheers
"Death to Spammers!!!" wrote:
> >(witness the Palm V with modem attached
> >is the exact size of a Palm IIIx)
>
> ...and can you tell me,
> *where* and *when* i said anything diferent ?! :-))
>
Albert Nurick
>On Mon, 22 Feb 1999 16:28:23 -0600, Albert Nurick <alb...@nurick.com> wrote:
>>
>>OTOH, why does 3Com charge so much for a system with a lower resolution
>>LCD, less RAM, and a slower CPU? When I compare an E-11 with a Palm III
>>side-by-side, I keep thinking that the Palm III should have a $149 MSRP.
>
>Why? Because they can. Supply and demand, remember? Lots of people think
>that it is worth the selling price, allowing 3Com to make buckets of
>money.
Many consumers would be up in arms about this, complaining about gouging,
asking for more features, etc. I must admit that I'm impressed; the Pilot
platform has the kind of loyalty only seen for the Mac and Amiga in the
past.
>The Palm platform offers a mix of features (size, battery life,
>usability, responsiveness ...) that makes the whole greater than the sum
>of the physical parts.
Darn good thing, because the parts are starting to look old to some of
us. :-) But as some have said, the lack of innovation is considered a
good thing by some folks.
>This annoys some users of competing platforms,
>who find it necessary to spend a lot of time bashing the Palm platform
>:-).
Please don't take my criticism of the Palm platform as bashing; IMO
it's a very nice system, just more limited than the Palm PC which is
available for the same price.
Palm advocates call this simplicity. For some folks, the Palm III is
a great system; I just wish they didn't overcharge for it. Of course,
the enterprising soul who figured out how to get 'em new for under
$150 from Staples is certainly on to something...
What I'd love to see is a great race between Microsoft and its OEMs,
3Com, and Symbian and its OEMs, all trying to produce the PDA with
complete wireless communications, long battery life, a great screen,
and killer functionality. All for $199, of course.
Death to Spammers!!!
>Be careful. I'm told that to look is to buy (now if I could just find a
>IIIx to Look at and Buy!).
I see your point !
When we look to them, resistance is futile :-)
...but im from Europe, so only can buy online...
hami...@my-dejanews.com
"Albert Nurick" <alb...@nurick.com> wrote:
> OTOH, why does 3Com charge so much for a system with a lower resolution
> LCD, less RAM, and a slower CPU? When I compare an E-11 with a Palm III
> side-by-side, I keep thinking that the Palm III should have a $149 MSRP.
Obviously, because you get more out of that lower resolution, less RAM, and
slower CPU box.
Says absolutely all you need to know about the inefficiencies of the Windows
system.
[Also says quite a lot about the bloody-mindedness of a company that tries to
force a desktop OS into a palm-top]
[Also says quite a lot about the gullibility of those who buy a palmtop
because 'it has the same OS as my desktop'.]
david
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David Orriss Jr
Spammers!!!) wrote:
>Its a fake...
Perhaps, but it's a cool fake.. ;-)
David Orriss Jr
>I dont see any PalmV stuff on this site.
>
>Is there a URL error?
>
No, he pulled it after a couple of days. I've mirrored it at my
online Zine for the sake of keeping the information available. There
is some speculation that the images are fake, but it's still
interesting to read. Just go to the link below and you'll be there..
David Orriss Jr
<sgt...@erols.com> wrote:
>Since the Palm V is apparently out now, I'll take down the mirror site
>soon, but since Nigel's original site is still down but people keep
>referring to it, I'll repeat the link to my mirror of the above site:
>
>http://members.aol.com/newpalmv/index.html
I've mirrored the site onto DaveNet.Net. So if anyone is interested
you can still see Nigel's original site there.
Take care.
Phil Wheeler
"Death to Spammers!!!" wrote:
>
> I see your point !
>
Yeah .. and now I have a IIIx.
Phil