Oric using PC to Save/Load files?
Derek Sheldon
This is my first post!
Background:
I am located in Australia, As far as I remember ORIC 1 was never sold
here.
The Atmos seems to have been sold here (Never noticed) as one was sold
on ebay a few months ago with an aussie power supply.
Anyway, since the 80's I always wanted an ORIC 1 because it looks so
'sexy'.
I then discovered ebay and purchased 2 Oric 1's (BW & Color) and an
Atmos.
I've been using my IPAQ Pocket PC as a sort of hard drive by
converting images to wav and playing them into the Oric.
All this works great but I was wondering if there was a system that
could be setup to use a pc as a sort of file server? (Not using
WAV/MP3 etc)
Like with the C64HDD system, a old cheap PC emulates a disk drive.
Atari also seem to have a similar system.
Regards,
Derek from Australia
Steve Marshall
"Derek Sheldon" <dereks...@optusnet.com.au> wrote
> Hi Oric Users,
>
> This is my first post!
Hi, Welcome to the show !
> The Atmos seems to have been sold here (Never noticed) as one was sold
> on ebay a few months ago with an aussie power supply.
There was an Australian Oric User Group IIRC but I only ever heard a mention
of it - nothing more.
> All this works great but I was wondering if there was a system that
> could be setup to use a pc as a sort of file server? (Not using
> WAV/MP3 etc)
> Like with the C64HDD system, a old cheap PC emulates a disk drive.
> Atari also seem to have a similar system.
What, you mean an emulator ? Of course. http://oric.free.fr to download
Euphoric for PC.
Steve M
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real Oric connected to hard-drive to run those images directly.
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John Gilliver
> Hi Oric Users,
> This is my first post!
Welcome!
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> Anyway, since the 80's I always wanted an ORIC 1 because it looks so
> 'sexy'.
I like the colour scheme too (well, the Atmos red and black - not so sure
about the Oric); Strange how PC keyboards in such colours never appeared.
> I then discovered ebay and purchased 2 Oric 1's (BW & Color) and an
> Atmos.
[]
I'm intrigued: what is a BW Oric?
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Steve Marshall
> Derek Sheldon (dereks...@optusnet.com.au) wrote (18 Mar 2004
>> I then discovered ebay and purchased 2 Oric 1's (BW & Color) and an
>> Atmos.
> []
> I'm intrigued: what is a BW Oric?
This refers to the logo sticker. Some were colour and some were 'black and
white' - really grey scale I suppose.
Steve M
Steve Marshall
> I think, he means that, using PC hard-drive holding TAP images and
> using real Oric connected to hard-drive to run those images directly.
>
Well in that case, not yet. It should be possible but I don't think anyone
has sorted an interface yet. Nearest to it is one of the floppy disk
interfaces for the Oric - and you can get quite a number of programs on a
3.5" disk.
Steve M
Andre Majorel
> I've been using my IPAQ Pocket PC as a sort of hard drive by
> converting images to wav and playing them into the Oric.
>
> All this works great but I was wondering if there was a system that
> could be setup to use a pc as a sort of file server? (Not using
> WAV/MP3 etc)
By "not using .WAVs", do you converting data to audio on the fly
without going through a temporary file, or do you mean
transferring through something else than the cassette interface ?
> Like with the C64HDD system, a old cheap PC emulates a disk drive.
> Atari also seem to have a similar system.
You'll never have the convenience of a FDD on the Oric, without
some serious hacking. The problem is that CLOAD is entirely
passive. The file name is not sent anywhere. It's just kept in
memory and compared against the data that comes in through the
cassette interface. Thus, the "file server" has no way to know
which file it should send.
To achieve the kind of integration you have on disk operating
systems, you'd have to have a different CLOAD command that would
start by sending the desired filename.
There is little room in the ROM for this, but I guess that, if
you were willing to sacrifice the existing CLOAD/CSAVE commands,
it could be done. (At this point, someone should pipe in and
remind us that Fabrice did it in three different ways years
ago).
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Derek Sheldon
Yes, I did mean non emulation to connect to a pc.
I see what you mean about the CLOAD command..
Regards,
Derek
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Simon
>>>All this works great but I was wondering if there was a system that
>>>could be setup to use a pc as a sort of file server? (Not using
>>>WAV/MP3 etc)
>>
>>By "not using .WAVs", do you converting data to audio on the fly
>>without going through a temporary file, or do you mean
>>transferring through something else than the cassette interface ?
>
I've been working on this, but had to stop due to the lack of spare time.
So far, only the easiest part is achieved: the PC is able to convert on
the fly a very short Oric tape signal (less than 1 second) into bits and
shows them.
The problem is that converting on the fly longer signals is not easy
(you'd have to both read and convert at the same time), and sending will
be complicated too. It's above my knowledge skills so far and I'd need
several months of spare time to work on it again :-)
Simon
Jani Tiainen
Well, there is at least two ways to achieve this.
First (which somebody has used...) is to connect soundcard output to
oric tape interface, convert .tap to real audio signal and output to
soundcard. Well, this means that PC will emulate (or simulate?) casette
player.
Another, a bit sophisticated way could be attaching one wire to directly
casette stream input, bypassing carrier filter and output bitstream to
USB port, and there convert it to standard TTL-level signal.
This would be pretty cheap, flexible but somewhat "expert" solution.
Actually, USB receiver could be built inside oric, it's just one IC
(with software), USB A-socket and wires.
For a reference
<http://www.cesko.host.sk/IgorPlugUSB_RS232/IgorPlug-USB%20(AVR)%20RS232_eng.htm>
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Jani Tiainen
Simon
> First (which somebody has used...) is to connect soundcard output to
> oric tape interface, convert .tap to real audio signal and output to
> soundcard. Well, this means that PC will emulate (or simulate?) casette
> player.
Sure, but the idea I was working on was to avoid manipulations to the
user. All the "convert to WAV", "reord then read" manipulations should
be done automatically by the software.
Then there whould be lots of applications for this (PC as a very slow
hard drive, memory switch, disks transfers thru the tape connector, etc.)
> Another, a bit sophisticated way could be attaching one wire to directly
> casette stream input, bypassing carrier filter and output bitstream to
> USB port, and there convert it to standard TTL-level signal.
>
> This would be pretty cheap, flexible but somewhat "expert" solution.
Fabrice has written recently several articles about Oric/PC connection
thru USB. I have no skills in electronics, this is not for me :-)
I guess these solutions will be much more efficient, but what I'd like
to program some day is an easy way (even if it's not the best or
fastest) to network oric and PC, without additionnal hardware.
Still only a dream for now :-)
Simon