UNIXWARE
Christian Barmala
- How does it compare to other PC UNIX systems like SCO,
Interactive (old) and Solaris (=new Interactive)?
- How about the connectivity between NetWare and UNIXWARE?
- Is a rich selection of hardware (disk controllers,
video adapters, ...) supported? PC UNIX systems tend
to be some steps behind other PC operating systems
like DOS or Windows?
- Do the vendors have enough experience or are they just
NetWare sellers and UNIXWARE is something strange to them?
Regards, Christian Barmala
Sageev George
>Has anyone experience with Novell/Univel/USL's UNIXWARE?
>
>- How does it compare to other PC UNIX systems like SCO,
> Interactive (old) and Solaris (=new Interactive)?
We had the new Interactive, and Unixware seems to be easier to configure,
setup, etc. once you have all the necessary parts [read on].
Having a GUI makes some things like administration easier. However, our
Interactive server was pretty solid whereas Unixware has locked up 3 times in
about a week. Still working on it though.
>- How about the connectivity between NetWare and UNIXWARE?
Very nice, the Unixware server lets you access Netware volumes in a NFS like
manner, like it was mounted but without running NFS, and presumably running
IPX rather than TCPIP.
>- Is a rich selection of hardware (disk controllers,
> video adapters, ...) supported? PC UNIX systems tend
> to be some steps behind other PC operating systems
> like DOS or Windows?
Man do I have a story:
Our CDROM uses a Future Domain TMC-850M SCSI controller. So before ordering
Unixware, I call Univel and ask if this card is supported. They say it is.
All good so far, I go to install it [Unixware] and it doesn't recognize the
SCSI controller. Ok, I call Univel and ask "What's up?" They say that I must
contact Future Domain and get a disk with Unixware drivers. Ok I sez, no
problem: I call FD. They say they don't have a driver for Unixware, ETA is
two months or something. I call back Univel and ask "What's up?"
Well, to summarize a weeks worth of telephone tag with Univel and FD, it turns
out that FD had promised Univel a driver for Unixware and based on that
promise, they [Univel] added that card to their "Approved and Tested
Compatible" list. Well FD *%#$%* up and didn't have their driver finished
in time.
After annoying FD enough times, I finally persuaded them to send me a SCSI
card that they DO have drivers for, on loan, so I can install Unixware. This
was last week, I'm still waiting for the card. In the meantime, I borrowed
an Adaptec 1542 [a real SCSI card] from a friend and did the install.
[Flame on]
This is real BS, since when did "Approved and Tested" become "Well, we hope
it's gonna work, but we don't even know if it exists" ???? If I had a dollar
for every time a piece of software was delivered late, I'd be a bilionaire.
For Univel to publish this kind of information is both a disservice to the user
[me] and just plain irresponsible.
Future Domain lied to Univel, and Univel lied to me.
Net result: I got screwed.
[Flame off]
>- Do the vendors have enough experience or are they just
> NetWare sellers and UNIXWARE is something strange to them?
We bought direct from Unixware because no one knew what we were talking about.
Maybe a vendor would have been more helpful though :(
Guy Harris
>> Interactive (old) and Solaris (=new Interactive)?
>
>We had the new Interactive, and Unixware seems to be easier to configure,
>setup, etc. once you have all the necessary parts [read on].
Hmm. If you have "the new Interactive", then either:
1) you have one of the OEM/Developer's versions of Solaris 2.x
for PeeCees;
2) "the new Interactive" != Solaris;
3) Sun's come out with the end user version of Solaris 2.x quite
recently;
because I hadn't heard that Solaris 2.x for PeeCees was available for
end-users yet.
(I.e., by the original poster's definition, "new Interactive" is
SVR4-based, because Solaris 2.x is SVR4-based. Interactive's
SVR3.x-based system is "Interactive (old)", not "new Interactive".)
Bruce Momjian
: Man do I have a story:
:
: This is real BS, since when did "Approved and Tested" become "Well, we hope
: it's gonna work, but we don't even know if it exists" ???? If I had a dollar
: for every time a piece of software was delivered late, I'd be a bilionaire.
: For Univel to publish this kind of information is both a disservice to the user
: [me] and just plain irresponsible.
This happened to me too. The "Approved and Tested" isn't worth much
from Univel.
Unixware also has some major bugs that are just being fixed, several
months after release.
Buy it only if the Netware connectivity is very important to you and you
are prepared for problems.
It may be ready for prime-time in a few more months.
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Richard Braun
>Unixware also has some major bugs that are just being fixed, several
>months after release.
>
>Buy it only if the Netware connectivity is very important to you and you
>are prepared for problems.
>
>It may be ready for prime-time in a few more months.
From the front page of this week's _Open Systems Today_ magazine:
UnixWare Price Slashed to $249
They're also throwing in a full Windows emulator, X, and the NetWare
client stuff. We just paid _$1500_ for Microport's SysVr _4.1_ (UnixWare
is 4.2), which doesn't have Windows or NetWare support.
At the above price, I think I might just judge for myself the quality
of this product, rather than waiting for dust to settle. I'm glad to
see that the price of Unix is finally the subject of a major price war;
it's been overpriced and dominated by SCO for too many years.
Sign me, a happy Linux user,
-rich
Howard Leadmon - WB3FFV
>
>This happened to me too. The "Approved and Tested" isn't worth much
>from Univel.
>
>Unixware also has some major bugs that are just being fixed, several
>months after release.
>
>Buy it only if the Netware connectivity is very important to you and you
>are prepared for problems.
>
>It may be ready for prime-time in a few more months.
>--
Well I must say this one catches my interest, I was wondering if anybody
has a list of the UnixWare bugs, and if possible workarounds???
Also maybe we should start a list of known hardware that is know to currently
(note I say currently) work with UnixWare.
It almost sounds like time to start a UnixWare FAQ :-)
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>In article <1993Mar14....@candle.uucp> ro...@candle.uucp (Bruce Momjian) writes:
>>
>>This happened to me too. The "Approved and Tested" isn't worth much
>>from Univel.
>>
>>Unixware also has some major bugs that are just being fixed, several
>>months after release.
>>
>>Buy it only if the Netware connectivity is very important to you and you
>>are prepared for problems.
>>
>>It may be ready for prime-time in a few more months.
>>--
>
> Well I must say this one catches my interest, I was wondering if anybody
>has a list of the UnixWare bugs, and if possible workarounds???
>Also maybe we should start a list of known hardware that is know to currently
>(note I say currently) work with UnixWare.
>It almost sounds like time to start a UnixWare FAQ :-)
I'll be the first one to support this!
peter
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- I' speaking (writing ?!?) for myself - not for my company -
Will Estes
: Our CDROM uses a Future Domain TMC-850M SCSI controller. So before ordering
: Unixware, I call Univel and ask if this card is supported. They say it is.
: All good so far, I go to install it [Unixware] and it doesn't recognize the
: SCSI controller. Ok, I call Univel and ask "What's up?" They say that I must
: contact Future Domain and get a disk with Unixware drivers. Ok I sez, no
: problem: I call FD. They say they don't have a driver for Unixware, ETA is
: two months or something. I call back Univel and ask "What's up?"
: Well, to summarize a weeks worth of telephone tag with Univel and FD, it turns
: out that FD had promised Univel a driver for Unixware and based on that
: promise, they [Univel] added that card to their "Approved and Tested
: Compatible" list. Well FD *%#$%* up and didn't have their driver finished
: in time.
: ...
I advise anyone buying UNIXWARE to first either call Univel and
order, or FAX from Univel's FAX-order service, their compatibility
guide for different peripherals.
What you will find is that most of the peripherals you want to use
are checked off with "Vendor" as the person supplying the driver.
And if you call many of those vendors you will get "under
development" as the answer to the question can you send it to me?
And, if UNIXWARE is like 99% of real-world new operating systems,
many of the drivers that do exist will all be alpha and beta-test
quality software because these companies have one guy writing the
driver, one guy doing the testing, and virtually no customers using
the drivers in an extensive beta-test to detect the bugs.
[ Soapbox On]
This is probably to be expected at this point. UNIXWARE has zero
market share. These companies aren't going to get any income from
UNIXWARE for quite a while. Basically, a driver for UNIXWARE is an
investment in the future, and it involves some risk because no one
knows if Novell is going to wake up to the reality of what people
pay for client operating systems and start pricing the TCP and
x-windows versions of their product at $395 instead of $1200.
This is similar to Windows/NT, but the *difference* is that Bill Gates
has been able to hire nearly 100,000 beta-testers for his product, and
they paid him $69 each for the privilege! And keep in mind that many
of these people are individuals and consultants who don't tolerate
sloppy drivers, and who are dogging the vendors to provide support.
The result is that when NT gets released, many of the drivers will be
quite solid, or at least farther along in the development path.
Contrast this to Novell, still stuck in the world of selling
high-priced server software, who is asking $899 for their equivalent
development kit. Do you think they have 100,000 fanatics bothering the
hardware vendors for good drivers? I doubt it. This Bill Gates guy is
one shrewd dude. He knows how to trade short-term profits for momentum
and long-term success. Gates is all but giving away things for free
and planning based on projected market share while Novell is stuck
pricing things based on some sort of next-quarter's-earnings
profit-accounting system. Sigh.
That said, I think UNIXWARE is a winner. It will become the premier
'486 UNIX, and *eventually* once Windows/NT starts selling like
hotcakes Novell will wake up to the fact that you cannot compete
against an operating system with bundled:
- TCP/IP
- 16 and 32-bit enhanced-mode Windows
- symmetric multi-processing
- Microsoft as the vendor
when your competitive offering sells for $1,200 (and what universe
were they in when they actually had it priced at $2,400???!!!).
I'm looking at Bill Gates - the 20th century's king of commodity
operating systems and the world's premier strategist of monopolistic
price setting - and I am asking how can Novell compete against
a full-blown developer version of NT at $69 versus $899 for the
equivalent Novell product? Obviously Novell only understands how to
sell high-priced niche software to big companies. They still don't
have a clue about how to capture the imagination of *individuals*,
who are after all the drivers of new software revolutions and shifts
in market share. I really hope they can get they can get their act
together in time, because most software stores are starting to look
like churches that worship Bill Gates. It would be nice to have an
option.
[ Soapbox Off ]
: [Flame on]
: This is real BS, since when did "Approved and Tested" become "Well, we hope
: it's gonna work, but we don't even know if it exists" ???? If I had a dollar
: for every time a piece of software was delivered late, I'd be a bilionaire.
: For Univel to publish this kind of information is both a disservice to the user
: [me] and just plain irresponsible.
: Future Domain lied to Univel, and Univel lied to me.
: Net result: I got screwed.
: [Flame off]
I will definitely throw a log on your fire. :)
Novell should jump on this one and implement an honesty policy
across the board. If you lie to me once I will stop believing everything
you say, and that is not a good way to establish credibility.
--
Will Estes Internet: wes...@netcom.com
Rob Healey
|> Well I must say this one catches my interest, I was wondering if anybody
|> has a list of the UnixWare bugs, and if possible workarounds???
|>
2) Some dork put a bogus /usr/include/link.h file on UNIXware so
gdb won't compile till you steal the proper link.h file from
SVR4.0 systems or stock USL 4.2.
3) Another genius wiped out the beautiful "Catch the Wave" pixmap
in /usr/X/lib/pixmaps/usl128.xpm and replaced it with that
awful UNIXware puke-me-out-the-door red logo. You need to snarf
this off a stock USL distribution to restore beauty to the
xdm login screen. B^).
4) The stock X server leaves bit droppings around at various resolutions
the only fix is to compile up XFree 1.2 with Type1 font support and
run it instead borrowing the Adobe fonts from the stock server. The
USL boys should just hang it up with that X11R[234] server and
fully replace it with the XFree server. XFree gives better
performance in the TS scheduler than that dog of a USL server does
in Real Time scheduling; Sheeeeeesh.
5) USL 4.2 is missing SLIP, CSLIP and PPP. Get with the program dudes
even SCO provides this! And SCO's PPP also automates the PPP
startup so you don't have to jump through hoops.
6) The connection server needs to be taken into a field and shot. The
thing will lock out a port if cu is aborted at the wrong time for
security purposes. The connection server/daemon also screws up
UUCP. I think the whole smash needs to be rethought out before
screwing up more serial communications. I like the idea of being
about to authenticate and crypt over a cu or UUCP connection but
fer crying out loud let me turn the damn thing off if I don't
WANT it. This also effects logins as the connection server
authentication thing is called before login on a ttymon line.
Somebody mentioned users getting root because the filled in
the owner field of the ttymon _pmtab. This is related to how
the connection server interacts with /usr/bin/shserv. See
/etc/saf/ttymon3/_pmtab.
7) The application server gets bent out of shape if a Novell server
doesn't exist. Come on guys, not all the world is Netware so
cut us some slack would ya?
8) The X server needs a way to TEST new card configs so one doesn't
needa $%^&^$%^& reboot to get the screen back to sanity!
9) The damn install program doesn't understand that SMC ethernet
cards can be set to IRQ's other than 2,3,4,5. This REALLLLLLLLLY
pissed me off. I had to waste time figuring out the obfusicated
network startup process to make sure that my changes in /etc/conf
would stick. How about some doco's on the goofy way the networking
is "autoconfig'd"; GAK!
|> Also maybe we should start a list of known hardware that is know to currently
|> (note I say currently) work with UnixWare.
|>
I know Compaq need their $%^$&$%^& audio hardware neutered before the
OS can work OK with ethernet and non-scsi cart. tapes. This is
really Compaq's fault, the machines are garbage anyways as they
don't have a reset switch or custom drive config available.
Works on most clones I've seen as long as the hardware is set to
specific addresses. Hey USL, take a clue from SCO and allow people
to specify device addresses, IRQ and ports from the boot prompt. You
DO have loadable device drivers so this shouldn't be THAT hard to
do.
|> It almost sounds like time to start a UnixWare FAQ :-)
|>
True. Here's my grumbling contribution... Overall I really do like
UNIXware, it's just that it has some annoing misfeatures. Not as
many as SCO tho! Except for the connection server 4.2 security get's
the hell out of my way; SCO is still lying when it says you can
"relax" security. Oh ya, delete /tcb and /etc/auth on a SCO 3.2.4
system and see how far you get...
-Rob
Ken Lam
> Well I must say this one catches my interest, I was wondering if anybody
>has a list of the UnixWare bugs, and if possible workarounds???
>
>Also maybe we should start a list of known hardware that is know to currently
>(note I say currently) work with UnixWare.
>
>It almost sounds like time to start a UnixWare FAQ :-)
How about starting comp.sys.univel(or unixware). Though, I'm planning on
the app server soon, I find that there has been an exposive amount of
unixware related stuff in comp.sys.novell and some comp.unix groups.
As to a FAQ, definitely. Perhaps, someone at Univel can send a *complete*
listing of hardware/software compatabilites, and KNOWN drivers.
Also, I saw the Univel admin Peter Bartok's post of the hardware compats..but
I didn't see the NE3200. I was planning on installing on a EISA machine which
has a NE3200.
Also, if someone does get around to installing the GNU stuff, please post!
Ken
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Will Estes
: This is probably to be expected at this point. UNIXWARE has zero
: market share. These companies aren't going to get any income from
: UNIXWARE for quite a while. Basically, a driver for UNIXWARE is an
: investment in the future, and it involves some risk because no one
: knows if Novell is going to wake up to the reality of what people
: pay for client operating systems and start pricing the TCP and
: x-windows versions of their product at $395 instead of $1200.
I am sorry that I mistated the facts here. I had meant that the price
for the "application server" edition should be $395 instead of $1200+.
You can upgrade the personal edition (1-2 user) with TCP and NFS for
another $395 (or something close to that). The application server
edition gives you the incremental capability of having unlimited numbers of
users.
I left a lot unsaid in the above, so in the hopes of avoiding another one
of those pointless USENET flame wars where people argue over prices
and features, let me explain the heart of my point and try to bring
some focus to the issue.
The personal edition seems to me almost useless as a single-user UNIX
machine. The reason for this is that good system administration practice
almost always requires you to setup different userids for any major
application system you want to install and maintain. Maybe if the
personal edition allowed up to 10 users, with the unlimited user version
costing more, it would be worth considering.
I'll be open-minded on this. If someone wants to explain to me how a
two-user UNIX is going to be useful, I'll listen. Otherwise, I think I
should change my point from:
"the application server edition is too expensive"
to instead be:
"the personal edition needs more users to become useful"
Will Estes
>: This is probably to be expected at this point. UNIXWARE has zero
>: market share. These companies aren't going to get any income from
>: UNIXWARE for quite a while. Basically, a driver for UNIXWARE is an
>: investment in the future, and it involves some risk because no one
>: knows if Novell is going to wake up to the reality of what people
>: pay for client operating systems and start pricing the TCP and
>: x-windows versions of their product at $395 instead of $1200.
>
>I am sorry that I mistated the facts here. I had meant that the price
>for the "application server" edition should be $395 instead of $1200+.
>You can upgrade the personal edition (1-2 user) with TCP and NFS for
>another $395 (or something close to that). The application server
>edition gives you the incremental capability of having unlimited numbers of
>users.
I have gotten several pieces of mail that indicate to me that my
original "mistaken" price for personal edition was not so far off the
mark. The following are the prices I have received:
product new price
personal edition $295
personal utilities $249
tcp/ip $295
compiler $599
So here we are looking at over $1400 list for a 1-2 user UNIX with
development tools. You cannot even use gcc unless you buy their
development kit first. So where is the great value in these new
prices?
- 1-2 user UNIX is not useful
- UNIX without TCP is not useful in almost any UNIX environment
- UNIX without development tools shuts you off from the hundreds
of truly useful public-domain tools
Let's say you are a large shop where the development is done by a
a few people. Now the compiler isn't needed for the larger user base
and you are looking at around $850 suggest list for the single-user
system with TCP and utilities.
Don't get me wrong: the current price breaks are a move in the right
direction. But the price point I am seeing here for a useful complete
system is not going to make anyone at Microsoft lose five minutes of
sleep. I don't see how you can plan on displacing any significant
market share when you are asking companies to drop this much money
for each seat, especially given the re-training costs for UNIX, the
increased costs of applications, and the troublesome issue of staying
100% backwards compatible with enhanced mode Windows (and *100%*
compatibility is always going to be difficult).
Let's not start a flame war about how great UNIX is and how evil and
bug-ridden all Microsoft software is. It's not *me* you need to convince.
*I* am pro-UNIX and pro-Novell and pro-UNIXWARE. I'm talking about
how do you sell $850 per seat to "the market" when Microsoft is offering
a similar level of capability for much less, and there is no
significant re-training cost, and apps are plentiful and cheap, and
backwards-compatibility is *perceived* to be as good as it can get.
I think it's time for Novell to start pressing some CD-ROMs and push
them out the door for $395 for everything that costs $1400 today.
This is just my opinion about what it will take to start breaking into
Microsoft's market share. If you think they can do it with the current
pricing, I'd like to hear the theory about how that will happen.
Bruce Momjian
: 6) The connection server needs to be taken into a field and shot.
This is funny, and true. Makes the box pretty useless for dialing out
over a modem without frequent reboots.
I'll add my finds.
1) The program that adds ttymon's for the modems reads
/usr/lib/uucp/Devices, so if you have two entries for a modem,
one "direct", another "ACU", you get two ttymons. When you go to
remove it using the remove script, it deletes all your ttymons,
including your network ones. A fix may already be realeased for
this.
2) The network slots for Netware logins do not get re-used
after logout, at least on the machine I have used. Univel
recommended configuring 150 and rebooting daily. Great
workaround.
3) The hardware compatability guide "should be taken out and
burned." It is more of a wish list than an announcement of
supported devices. Before installing, call Univel and make sure
what you have will work. Make sure they do more than check the
"compatability guide."
Basically, the OS is good. These are understandable problems given a
new release. I am so glad I warned the customer there would be problems
before they chose UnixWare over SCO.
D'Arcy J.M. Cain
>has a list of the UnixWare bugs, and if possible workarounds???
Anyone seen UUCP problems? I have a Univel AS that talks to an Esix box
and a Univel PE. I can send files from the AS to PE, PE to AS and AS to
Esix but files from the Esix to AS (I assume to the PE too but that link
doesn't exist) fails after anywhere from 0 to 15000 bytes are transferred.
It took me days to send a few megabytes over a Telebit T2500/T2500 link
at 19.2 Kbaud in the same local calling area.
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Bruce Momjian
: how...@wb3ffv.ampr.org (Howard Leadmon - WB3FFV) writes:
: > Well I must say this one catches my interest, I was wondering if anybody
: >has a list of the UnixWare bugs, and if possible workarounds???
:
: Anyone seen UUCP problems? I have a Univel AS that talks to an Esix box
: and a Univel PE. I can send files from the AS to PE, PE to AS and AS to
: Esix but files from the Esix to AS (I assume to the PE too but that link
: doesn't exist) fails after anywhere from 0 to 15000 bytes are transferred.
: It took me days to send a few megabytes over a Telebit T2500/T2500 link
: at 19.2 Kbaud in the same local calling area.
I had this problem, but I thought the problem was flow control.
Richard Braun
> product new price
>
> personal edition $295
> personal utilities $249
> tcp/ip $295
> compiler $599
>
>So here we are looking at over $1400 list for a 1-2 user UNIX with
>development tools.
> - UNIX without development tools shuts you off from the hundreds
> of truly useful public-domain tools
>I think it's time for Novell to start pressing some CD-ROMs and push
>them out the door for $395 for everything that costs $1400 today.
>This is just my opinion about what it will take to start breaking into
>Microsoft's market share.
AMEN! My goodness, charging as much for TCP/IP as for the base system???
Gack! At my company, we have lots of people running Windows 3.1 at some-
thing like $99 a pop. There are free TCP/IP suites, there's the shareware
WinQVT/Net (which IMHO almost turns Windows into a useful workstation),
and then there are the overpriced TCP vendors for DOS. Even those vendors
don't charge more than the above Univel prices.
Another open letter to Univel:
------------------------------
If you're comparing UnixWare pricing to SCO, it looks great. But I'm
comparing it to Linux and to Windows, the operating systems I use at my
small company and/or at home. Does Univel want a market share 0.5% that
of Microsoft, or something closer to 10%?
There were some points made in another newsgroup about the lack of
European market presence of Univel, and the fact that UNIX is considered
a foriegn object by the Novell dealer network right here in the states.
I hope you're listening, Univel. We're looking for bundled, complete
workstation software packages with full functionality competing with
Windows. That means X, and if not a compiler, at least enough library
and include files to support those of us who'll grab gcc off the net
so we can use freeware. (Net freeware access will only buy you 1% of
the market: if you want to reach the multitudes of people who aren't
Internet-aware, you have to bundle things!)
Why charge _more_ for developers to create programs that work with
your system? I always thought third-party applications helped an O/S
vendor. Apple gave away not only development software, but whole
computer systems, to those daring souls who wrote Mac software in the
early years. Microsoft is doing it today with NT. Univel, consider
pressing a $50 CDROM developer kit with all the goodies.
-rich
Evan Leibovitch
>How about starting comp.sys.univel(or unixware). Though, I'm planning on
>the app server soon, I find that there has been an exposive amount of
>unixware related stuff in comp.sys.novell and some comp.unix groups.
The Univel mailing list has been created, and the first message sent
out. So far there are 30 names on the list.
To send mail to the list, e-mail uni...@telly.on.ca
To be added to the list, e-mail me.
If the numbers start getting much bigger, then perhaps the call for a
newsgroup is in order. Right now it seems premature, I'll be happy to
hold a vote (and collect the ballots) if and when the right time comes.
Would it be comp.unix.univel or comp.unix.sys5.univel?
We already have comp.unix.solaris and comp.unix.bsd.
>As to a FAQ, definitely. Perhaps, someone at Univel can send a *complete*
>listing of hardware/software compatabilites, and KNOWN drivers.
I spoke to Univel product management on this issue. They say the list
(as it is produced for the faxback service) is supposed to be a list of
stuff available *now*. If there are things on the list that don't work,
tell them. Or tell me.
It's about time that Univel had a contact person to whom bug reports
etc. could be e-mailed rather than phoned or faxed. Now that there's a
Univel.COM on the Internet, how soon before we can ftp white papers,
compatibility lists and patches from it?
>Also, I saw the Univel admin Peter Bartok's post of the hardware compats..but
>I didn't see the NE3200. I was planning on installing on a EISA machine which
>has a NE3200.
Correct, the NE3200 is not on the list. However, there are a number of
EISA network cards listed, including the Bustek 760 and 763,
Racal-Datacom 3210, and the SMC EtherCard Plus Elite 32.
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>>How about starting comp.sys.univel(or unixware). Though, I'm planning on
>>the app server soon, I find that there has been an exposive amount of
>>unixware related stuff in comp.sys.novell and some comp.unix groups.
>The Univel mailing list has been created, and the first message sent
>out. So far there are 30 names on the list.
>If the numbers start getting much bigger, then perhaps the call for a
>newsgroup is in order. Right now it seems premature, I'll be happy to
>hold a vote (and collect the ballots) if and when the right time comes.
Premature? I'd like to give good support right from the start. And a newsgroup
is (at least for me) the best chance to see what users like/dislike and also
a good way of giving support.
>Would it be comp.unix.univel or comp.unix.sys5.univel?
>We already have comp.unix.solaris and comp.unix.bsd.
I prefer comp.unix.unixware or comp.os.unixware :-)
>>As to a FAQ, definitely. Perhaps, someone at Univel can send a *complete*
>>listing of hardware/software compatabilites, and KNOWN drivers.
>It's about time that Univel had a contact person to whom bug reports
>etc. could be e-mailed rather than phoned or faxed. Now that there's a
>Univel.COM on the Internet, how soon before we can ftp white papers,
>compatibility lists and patches from it?
I offer myself as contact person for ALL suggestions, bug-reports and other
questions. But : I'm not paid for doing so, means I've still got other stuff
to do, so please be patient if the answer takes 2 or 3 days.
Bug-reports : I will collect them, try to reproduce them and then they get
reported.
Suggestions : I'm open for every idea how to improve quality or handling of
UnixWare, but of course it has to be founded, so I might get in contact with
the person requesting something and ask a few more questions.
Compatibility : Univel is putting great effort in creating lists of supported
Hardware and Software, describing where to get drivers and so on. They have
better ways of supporting you than I can do.
Patches : On ftp.novell.de (193.97.1.1) in pub/univel/update2 you can ftp
the update 2 of UnixWare (update 1 comes with the product). The update consists
of two files in dd (3 1/2") format.
Please be patient, ftp.novell.de is currently only connected with 9600 baud to
the internet - I hope this will become more as more users are using the system.
FOR SUGGESTIONS, BUG-REPORTS, QUESTIONS or just to say hello, please
mail to :
uni...@novell.de
>>Also, I saw the Univel admin Peter Bartok's post of the hardware compats..but
>>I didn't see the NE3200. I was planning on installing on a EISA machine which
>>has a NE3200.
I guess there will also come a driver for NE3200 :-)
peter
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differnet from sys5.r4 to justify its own group.
However, I very definitely think there enough to justify discussing the point.
Would someone please start the new group process so we can do this properly?
++PLS
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