Quick SUMMARY: DELL demos NeXTSTEP on their JAWS system
Eric M Hermanson
for Intel running on their JAWS Powerline 2-DGX system. They also gave demos
of their new server system.
The run-down:
-The system had a 21-inch color monitor with 1280*1024 resolution.
-24 MEGS of memory
-500 Meg hard drive
-50Mhz DX/2 Intel Microprocessor
-JAWS Grahics card
-Ehternet and SCSI ports
-No Sound Card
-List Price (not including NeXTSTEP): ~$5200 for above system
-Educational users get about 7% discount off of that
DELL said that they will be pre-loading NeXTSTEP on their systems starting
the first day it is released - May 25. They already have the final
released version ready to go.
DELL is working on accounts with Fannie Mae and other big financial and
corporate customers for NeXTSTEP on their systems.
Performance Comments:
This system was very fast. The graphics were as fast as a Color Turbo
system. The computing performance was as fast as a Color Turbo. Therefore,
the 66Mhz chips will be faster than the 50Mhz chip that was being used at the
demo.
The beta version of NeXTSTEP that they were using to demo with was an old one,
a few months before the last pre-release. Nonetheless, it was very stable.
NeXTSTEP/Intel, for those of you who have not seen it, is remarkably the
same as NeXTSTEP on NeXT. Even down to the preferences panel. The only
differences present are that the INtel version cannot power down through
software.
I would highly recommend the DELL JAWS system because of its excellent
graphics performance.
DELL Contact People:
David J. Morris
Account Rep.
508-586-5576
800-274-7799 x4468
Greg Santrock
Tech. Sales Rep.
512-338-8441
800-926-7595 (FAX)
DELL Computer
9505 Arboretum Blvd.
Austin, Texas 78759-7299
-Eric Hermanson
Nathan F. Janette
> Last Thursday at MIT, DELL corporation gave a day long demo of NeXTSTEP
> for Intel running on their JAWS Powerline 2-DGX system. They also gave demos
> of their new server system.
>
> The run-down:
>
> -The system had a 21-inch color monitor with 1280*1024 resolution.
That would be great, but according to the NEXTSTEP/Intel hardware
chart the JAWS "only" supports resolutions up to native NeXT machines,
1120x832. I put "only" in quotes, because that's still the highest
resolution I've seen supported by any of the Intel hardware listed.
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Nathaniel Sammons
>In article <1t8l7k...@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> zmon...@athena.mit.edu
>(Eric M Hermanson) writes:
>> Last Thursday at MIT, DELL corporation gave a day long demo of NeXTSTEP
>> for Intel running on their JAWS Powerline 2-DGX system. They also gave demos
>> of their new server system.
>>
>> The run-down:
>>
>> -The system had a 21-inch color monitor with 1280*1024 resolution.
>
>That would be great, but according to the NEXTSTEP/Intel hardware
>chart the JAWS "only" supports resolutions up to native NeXT machines,
>1120x832. I put "only" in quotes, because that's still the highest
>resolution I've seen supported by any of the Intel hardware listed.
Actually, many of the video boards support 1280x1024 (the ATI Ultra Pro
with 2MB of RAM does, as does the Diamond Viper, etc.(not supportedby NS/FIP)
The only problem is that the cards support only 256 colors at that high
of a number of pixels... if the JAWS system really does support the 16bit
color of the NSC & NSTC, then this is good news indeed... besides, you
can get a 1280x1024 17" monitor for about $800, and I don't wanna know
what a 21" monitor costs.... This should bring that $5200 down quite
a bit...
>
>--
>Nathan Janette # "As I walk I hear my longing thoughts subsiding.
>Dept MB&B # Upon your cross I bleed the thoughts that I've been hiding.
>Yale Univ/HHMI # I'm all used up; there's not much more for me to give.
>New Haven, CT # Echoes of the life that we all want to live."
>
>nat...@laplace.csb.yale.edu
-nate
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Yan Fang
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>
>The only problem is that the cards support only 256 colors at that high
>of a number of pixels... if the JAWS system really does support the 16bit
>color of the NSC & NSTC, then this is good news indeed... besides, you
>can get a 1280x1024 17" monitor for about $800, and I don't wanna know
>what a 21" monitor costs.... This should bring that $5200 down quite
>a bit...
>
>
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Would you tell me where I can get a _decent_ 17" monitor for $800, one
that doesn't flicker like a candle in a tornado? I can sell a whole bunch
of them at that price. Hell, I'll buy a couple myself.
If anyone wants a 21" 1280x1024 monitor for $1800 that flickers like a
candle in a tornado, give me a call. For a Nanao FlexScan, expect around
$2800-3200.
Now back to your regularly scheduled Crispin/Joe flamefest.
See you at Expo,
Kris "Everywhere I go, I keep seeing cathedrals" Magnusson
<still using my wife's account>
--
Yan-Fang Magnusson <yf5...@u.cc.utah.edu>
Nuclear-powered philosophy student <Give me $20 or kill me>
Nathaniel Sammons
>
>Would you tell me where I can get a _decent_ 17" monitor for $800, one
>that doesn't flicker like a candle in a tornado? I can sell a whole bunch
>of them at that price. Hell, I'll buy a couple myself.
>
>If anyone wants a 21" 1280x1024 monitor for $1800 that flickers like a
>candle in a tornado, give me a call. For a Nanao FlexScan, expect around
>$2800-3200.
>
>Now back to your regularly scheduled Crispin/Joe flamefest.
>
>
> See you at Expo,
>
> Kris "Everywhere I go, I keep seeing cathedrals" Magnusson
>
> <still using my wife's account>
>
>--
>Yan-Fang Magnusson <yf5...@u.cc.utah.edu>
>Nuclear-powered philosophy student <Give me $20 or kill me>
Look in Computer Shopper... The Mag MX17F (highly rated.... I have never
actually seen one...) is usually $999 from most places, and a CTX or AOC
Non-Interlaced 1280x1024 is usually right at $799
It is true that I don't know that these monitors are perfect, since I have,
admittedly, never seen one first hand, but I suspect they are *pretty*
good....
Tim McClarren
>Look in Computer Shopper... The Mag MX17F (highly rated.... I have never
>actually seen one...) is usually $999 from most places
Where have you seen this highly rated? I've read at least two
recent reviews that lambasted this monitor.
--
Tim McClarren | "...a bajillion brilliant Jobsian lithium licks."
gr...@shell.portal.com
John Bartley
> ns11...@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Nathaniel Sammons) writes:
>
> >Look in Computer Shopper... The Mag MX17F (highly rated.... I have
never
> >actually seen one...) is usually $999 from most places
>
> Where have you seen this highly rated? I've read at least two
> recent reviews that lambasted this monitor.
Good point. The key is that there are two types of Mag monitors
apparently. The cheap version (F) is what you see advertised frequently,
while the Trinitron version is the one that scores well and gets the good
reviews. I was confused about this same point until I noticed the
explanation in the May edition of Computer Shopper. Buyer beware!
John Bartley
jo...@wpa.com
Jerry Whelan
-} Good point. The key is that there are two types of Mag monitors
-} apparently. The cheap version (F) is what you see advertised frequently,
-} while the Trinitron version is the one that scores well and gets the good
-} reviews. I was confused about this same point until I noticed the
-} explanation in the May edition of Computer Shopper. Buyer beware!
We've got a 17F here, and though it doesn't sit on my desk I'd
say it is a pretty decent monitor (a little bulky) and only has a
viewable screen size of about 15.5 inches. However, it has the highest
bandwidth rating of any monitor anywhere near its price range (as far
as I can tell). It claims 120 MHz bandwidth which is, I believe, enough
to get you 1280x1024 at 70+ Hz. For comparison purposes, the monitor on
my machine has a bandwidth of about 65 MHz and I can get 1024x768 at
about 58 Hz refresh rate with a 65 MHz dot clock.
The only review of the 17F that I have seen gave it incredibly
poor ratings for clarity. Considering that the 17F we have here is
at least reasonably sharp/clear I figured that the reviewers must have
had a monitor that got knocked out of alignment during shipping.
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Ricardo Parada
> In article Nathaniel Sammons writes:
> Would you tell me where I can get a _decent_ 17" monitor for $800, one
> that doesn't flicker like a candle in a tornado? I can sell a whole bunch
> of them at that price. Hell, I'll buy a couple myself.
>
> If anyone wants a 21" 1280x1024 monitor for $1800 that flickers like a
> candle in a tornado, give me a call. For a Nanao FlexScan, expect around
> $2800-3200.
>
Just curious. Sometimes is not the the monitor the one causing the flickering
but the graphics mode at which the card is driving the monitor.
I was running NEXTSTEP/Intel on a Gateway at 60Hz on a ViewSonic 7. At that
refresh rate I was able to display 1024x768 in color on a small TATUNG 14"
display. The flickering is not that anoying on a small monitor. However, to
really give your eyes what they deserve run the graphics mode at a higher
refresh rate. Use the Configure app that comes with NS/Intel and set it to
76Hz refresh rate. This refresh rate is great on the eyes.
Ricardo J. Parada
Pencom Software
Ricardo Parada
> In article Nathaniel Sammons writes:
> Would you tell me where I can get a _decent_ 17" monitor for $800, one
> that doesn't flicker like a candle in a tornado? I can sell a whole bunch
> of them at that price. Hell, I'll buy a couple myself.
>
> If anyone wants a 21" 1280x1024 monitor for $1800 that flickers like a
> candle in a tornado, give me a call. For a Nanao FlexScan, expect around
> $2800-3200.
>
Has anyone used a NEC 4FGe? I think that 1024x768 in color would look nice on
this monitor since it supports this resolution (1024 x 768) at a 76Hz refresh
rate according to ads.
The monitor is 15" but should be good enough for this resoulution. At least
to me since I've seen this resolution on 15" displays and looks fine except
for the flickering!!! But with this monitor that is not a problem.