Internal Zip drive for Mac (IOMEGA) comming soon!!!
Eric S. Oestreich
just wait a few more months. I was at the Las Vegas computer
convention this weekend and spoke to the manager of the Zip line.
The release date shopuld be around March 96 according to IOMEGA. The
only problem with this unit is that the internal zip will be purple
in color and WILL NOT MATCH the Macintoshes color. They already had
prototypes at the show and let me tell you it looked UGLY! I told
Jackie Finch (Mgr of Zip Division) That I WILL NOT buy one because
of the color. I let her know that I do not want a purple unit
hanging out of my Macintosh. This is stupid. Power Computing's zip
is there color because they have a contract with iomega.
I was told that if IOMEGA gets enough complaints like mine about the
color that they will go back into a meeting and discuss the color of
the zip for the internal macs. They said that this already crossed
there minds but they need the publics input on this.
For anyone that agrees with me please reply to the news post and
write Jackie at Iomega a small letter that you dont want a purple
unit in your Macintosh. This will let Iomega see that they need to
re-discuss they color of the Zip drive....
Jackie Finch (Product Manager, Zip line)
(801) 778-3504 or E-Mail
fi...@iomega.com
Eric S. Oestreich
King of the all-mighty PCI-0500
I have waited a long time for this zip to come out. All my friends
have one and they are by far "awsome". On the other hand white and
purple dont match. This in my words would look like crap... Make it
match the color of the computer if it is internal but do what you
want with your externals......
Stephen
I'm the proud owner of two Zips, and just bought one for my Dad (whew,
those PC installations are a little tougher!).
I'm excited to hear about the new internal zip in Macintoshes, but would
strongly encourage you to consider making them in the OEM Apple color. I'm
in marketing, and my sense is that Mac users are going to be more
aesthetically oriented than the average Joe. Even if it costs $10 more,
I'd make sure that the thing looked good. Industrial design is part of the
advantage that's allowing Zip to beat the pants off the EZ-135 thing. I
encourage you to stick with that strategy.
Thanks a bunch, and good luck (wish I'd bought some stock last year).
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internal Zip drive with it and its really great! The strange thing is that
the Zip front is exactly the color of a Mac, so much so that it does'nt
match the color of the Powerwave tower case perfectly. So clearly someone
is making non-purple internal Zips.
l
Dave Eisenmann
Stanford University
Patrick Baird
> Date: 7 JAN 1996 23:31:02 -0700
> From: Eric S. Oestreich <mke...@primenet.com>
> Newgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm, comp.sys.mac.wanted, comp.sys.mac.system,
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> Subject: Internal Zip drive for Mac (IOMEGA) comming soon!!!
WHAT THE HELL DOES THE COLOR OF THE UNIT MATTER!?!?!!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!
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<mke...@primenet.com> wrote:
> only problem with this unit is that the internal zip will be purple
> in color and WILL NOT MATCH the Macintoshes color. They already had
> prototypes at the show and let me tell you it looked UGLY! I told
> Jackie Finch (Mgr of Zip Division) That I WILL NOT buy one because
> of the color. I let her know that I do not want a purple unit
> hanging out of my Macintosh. This is stupid. Power Computing's zip
> is there color because they have a contract with iomega.
<cut>
> I have waited a long time for this zip to come out. All my friends
> have one and they are by far "awsome". On the other hand white and
> purple dont match. This in my words would look like crap... Make it
> match the color of the computer if it is internal but do what you
> want with your externals......
Are you for real? I especially like the part about not buying one just
because it's purple. (I'm sure it's probobly closer to eggplant.) Talk
about shooting yourself in the foot.
A computer on any desk is a vulgar thing, no matter what the color.
Especially in a well appointed office. Better off hiding the thing. Just
like most technology items. Match colors all you want, but it's not a
Versace suit.
You can't take decorating your computer seriously, regardless of its cost.
It's pointless. The best you can hope for is to either hide it, or by
using non traditional colors, turn it into an abstract art piece that is
more visably tolerable.
Iomega is making bold strides with their equip, I'd like to see the stuff
in all kinds of colors: flame, squash, cobalt, etc. (gotta love those
earthy names). We've had "computer bone" for so long, I can't wait to
ditch it. Have you seen the BeBox, or the Panda hardware? That's color.
Most all consumer goods are taking on a brighter more colorful appearance.
Cars, clothes, appliances, etc. It's time for a change in the computer
industry as well.
-rd
Stephen
colors for the Power systems. The purple ones are for other installations.
David Taylor
>From: "Eric S. Oestreich" <mke...@primenet.com>
>For anyone that agrees with me please reply to the news post and
>write Jackie at Iomega a small letter that you dont want a purple
>unit in your Macintosh. This will let Iomega see that they need to
>re-discuss they color of the Zip drive....
I've been waiting for the internal model because I don't like the blue colour
of the external model! I'd rather have a blue external than a purple internal.
At least I can hide it!
Please reconsider Iomega!!
DMT
Michael T. Davis
Will these new internal ZIP drives fit in the 3.5" bay in the new
PCI-based Macs (7200, 7500), or are they only designed for the 5.25" slot?
Our purchasing plans call for (at least) 15 internal ZIP drives for our new
7200/90 systems, but only if they'll install in the 3.5" slot.
Thanks,
Mike
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Eric S. Oestreich
When you have a cream color computer and a purple revovable internal
hard drive sticking out of your computer lets face it, it looks like
crap. Something like a kids toy. Iomega needs to get real and make
it match the color of the unit for there internal device. The
external drive could be any color for all I care...
Eric S. Oestreich
King of the all-mighty PCI-9500. . .
Schwartz
> Nah. Just dump the floppy as a standard component. Hell, a zip drive would
> cost about the same to include. Software can be released on CD for the
> masses. Its cheaper and necessary for most software anyway. Time to move
> forward...
>
> --
> Bob Cassidy
> UC Irvine
The problem with that is that (from what I have read) the zip drives
are slower than regular drives when runnung software from the disks.
With 100meg space people would more likely want to do this.
Allen G. Newman
Well, some people are going to want their computers to look like they came
out of 2001, while others are going to want them to look like they came
out of a Batman movie. And a lot of people won't give a hoot. But Iomega
shouldn't force their aesthetic onto an *internal* drive. Internal
hardware with a visible faceplate should look like a part of the machine
it's going to be installed in, or else you're guaranteeing that someone
who likes the way their computer looks is going to be unhappy with
something coming from a totally different design paradigm, stabbing the
Mac in its face. Part of the reason why someone might choose internal
hardware over external is the desire to minimize the effect of their desk
growing even more mechanical tentacles, and a drive that sticks out like a
purple bruise just calls attention to the fact that you've got yet another
gizmo. If it matched, it would be as though it wasn't even there.
Iomega's color choices strike me as arrogant, considering that we're
paying them to use their products and not the reverse. It's as if they
want their products to be visible through your window from the office
across the street so that people can't miss how popular they are. Hey,
Iomega, if I want your products, I want them to serve *me* and become a
part of *my* world; I'm not interested in waving your purple flag for all
to see just so you can have a warm feeling of world domination.
Apple hardware cases are carefully designed according to a particular
aesthetic -- one look at a Color Classic tells you that Apple is as
interested in form as function (whether you personally like their artistic
choices or not). I can't imagine how adding "non-traditional colors" that
deliberately clash with the prevailing Mac aesthetic creates a whole that
is "more visibly tolerable". If anything, it reduces the Mac from a
unified form to just a collection of machines, and *that's* vulgar in my
book. (Assuming that your Mac was unified to begin with. If you bought a
non-Apple monitor you've already abandoned the Mac case aesthetic so you
might as well buy whatever peripherals you want.) In the beginning Steve
Jobs wanted the Mac to be a whole, indivisible thing, in appearance as
well as in how you used it. Maybe that was nonsensical from a "practical"
standpoint, but I deeply appreciate his concept on an aesthetic level.
I'd probably never buy a computer and monitor from separate companies
(unless by coincidence the two units looked good together in my eye). But
hey, that's just me.
If I had to choose a computer to be a background prop in a play or film
I'd probably put a 128K Mac in there just because it looks so clean and
simple, and never mind its practical limitations as a tool.
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Roman Goetter
Hi there,
maybe purple is not so bad because it might stop you from putting a normal
disk (1.4 MB) into the slot and ruin the drive.
Btw I think the coolest zip which would really make a big improvement
would be one that could read and write standard disk. So OEMs could just
replace the old disk drives (the oldest part of the Mac !!)
Roman
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Schwartz
> > > The
> > > only problem with this unit is that the internal zip will be purple
> > > in color and WILL NOT MATCH the Macintoshes color. They already had
> > > prototypes at the show and let me tell you it looked UGLY!
> >
> > On the other hand white and
> > purple dont match. This in my words would look like crap... Make it
> > match the color of the computer if it is internal but do what you
> > want with your externals......
> >
> WHAT THE HELL DOES THE COLOR OF THE UNIT MATTER!?!?!!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!
I think the best solution here is to have a selection of colors. Personally I think
that a nice deep burgundy would look good. For the tech lovers we could have a clear
case. After being disgusted with the boring white box I now have, I spray painted my
mac a nice glossy black. Yes deep burgundy would defenitely look good inside a glossy
black box. (note to anyone considering paintiong their monitor: Use scotch tape around
the glass so that the paint will not get on it, and you will have a nice professional
line.)
Peter Dezendorf
iv...@zeta.org.au (Ivan Smith) wrote:
> I think my Mac would look good a nice alabaster Black :) :)
>
yeah, but then it would show dust.....
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Robert Cassidy
rgoe...@physik.tu-muenchen.de (Roman Goetter) wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> maybe purple is not so bad because it might stop you from putting a normal
> disk (1.4 MB) into the slot and ruin the drive.
>
>
> Btw I think the coolest zip which would really make a big improvement
> would be one that could read and write standard disk. So OEMs could just
> replace the old disk drives (the oldest part of the Mac !!)
Nah. Just dump the floppy as a standard component. Hell, a zip drive would
Ladd Morse
> The problem with that is that (from what I have read) the zip drives
> are slower than regular drives when runnung software from the disks.
> With 100meg space people would more likely want to do this.
I don't see this as being a problem. Zip drives are at least as fast as
the older, 88-meg Syquest cartridges and software can be run from them
quite adequately - I have both a Syquest and a zip on my Power 100 at work
and I do this once a week or so. For any software that you need to run
more than occaisionally, simply move it over to your hard disk.
aaron sommer
> >WHAT THE HELL DOES THE COLOR OF THE UNIT MATTER!?!?!!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!
> Aparently BLACK machines run faster than their beige counterparts.
> I think my Mac would look good a nice alabaster Black :) :)
>
> Regards,
> Ivan.
Heh. If it's so important, take the case off, mask the appropriate items,
and paint it yourself. Had a friend do this- must say, BlackMac is a
pretty cool looking machine.
... tho I do agree that the drive should be the same color as the rest of
the case, whatever that might be. Try to avoid the "lego-block" PC look.
Ivan Smith
<slavery@slavery> wrote:
>On 7 Jan 1996, Eric S. Oestreich wrote:
>WHAT THE HELL DOES THE COLOR OF THE UNIT MATTER!?!?!!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Aparently BLACK machines run faster than their beige counterparts.
I think my Mac would look good a nice alabaster Black :) :)
Regards,
Ivan.
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Eric S. Oestreich
operation. Why would you want a puple face plate sticking out of
your macintosh or ibm? This is like wearing one white shoe and one
blue shoe. You just dont do it, that is most people dont...
Eric S. Oestreich
S. M. Weems
why would you care about matching colours on your computer? i bought my
computer to get things done, not to invite people over to look at.
Edward M. Sikorski
I am for color. Beige(platinum) is boring and does not match with the
decor. In that matter, I painted my computer a Granite/Red color and
have had great compliments. The (Indigo) ZIP drive is the first step
towards breaking the "Beige" plague.
The Travan is a different color. Why not the Jaz? Emerald, Indigo, Deep
Purple, Rust, heck, SGI machines are different colors. Crimson, Indigo,
...
"I think those who like the colored floppies, like colored PCs"
e-
Joerg Erdei
>Robert Cassidy wrote:
>
>> Nah. Just dump the floppy as a standard component. Hell, a zip drive would
>> cost about the same to include. Software can be released on CD for the
>> masses. Its cheaper and necessary for most software anyway. Time to move
>> forward...
>>
>> --
>> Bob Cassidy
>> UC Irvine
>
>are slower than regular drives when runnung software from the disks.
>With 100meg space people would more likely want to do this.
Not necessarily. No one tries to run apps from a MO, and that can hold
lots more of data.
Joerg Erdei
Wintermute
>
> > Nah. Just dump the floppy as a standard component. Hell, a zip drive would
> > cost about the same to include. Software can be released on CD for the
> > masses. Its cheaper and necessary for most software anyway. Time to move
> > forward...
> >
Darksun
how does the colour of the internal (or external) iomeg drives affect
their functionality or operation? please explain this to me...
<<
an ugly purple zip drive to go into my 8500. Thats part of the reason I
haven't bought the external drive, it really is ugly. now the EZ on the
other hand....
aaron sommer
siko...@flagstaff.princeton.edu (Edward M. Sikorski) wrote:
> I am for color. Beige(platinum) is boring and does not match with the
> decor. In that matter, I painted my computer a Granite/Red color and
> have had great compliments. The (Indigo) ZIP drive is the first step
> towards breaking the "Beige" plague.
> The Travan is a different color. Why not the Jaz? Emerald, Indigo, Deep
> Purple, Rust, heck, SGI machines are different colors. Crimson, Indigo,
> ...
>
> "I think those who like the colored floppies, like colored PCs"
>
> e-
Sure, different case colors are cool. But the drive should match the rest
of the hardware (assuming this thing's for real- I haven't see the
original post, or heard about it anywhere).
On the upside- If apple goes to Zip drives as a replacement for floppies,
AOL will have to start giving away 100-meg Zip disks... =)
Joerg Erdei
>how does the colour of the internal (or external) iomeg drives affect
>their functionality or operation? please explain this to me...
>
>
> -weems (via Happy Mail)
>
Well, the ZIP does not know which color it is, but if it sees a
scared face everytime it is fed with a cartridge, it gets
confused and does its work considerably slower.
Some guy mentioned to have some Vivaldi playing in the background
to recover full potential speed and accuracy. But I think
that only helps with green-painted ZIPs.
Joerg Erdei
Phillip Endres
<mke...@primenet.com> wrote:
> This is a cosmetic issue. It does not in any way effect the
> operation. Why would you want a puple face plate sticking out of
> your macintosh or ibm? This is like wearing one white shoe and one
> blue shoe. You just dont do it, that is most people dont...
>
>
> Eric S. Oestreich
Why does an internal drive have a case anyway. My internal HD are just
metal guts. So the face plate is the only viewable area. Is that what is
supposed to be purple?
Phillip
Adam Schwartz
> Robert Cassidy wrote:
>
> > Nah. Just dump the floppy as a standard component. Hell, a zip drive would
> > cost about the same to include. Software can be released on CD for the
> > masses. Its cheaper and necessary for most software anyway. Time to move
> > forward...
> >
> > --
> > Bob Cassidy
> > UC Irvine
>
> The problem with that is that (from what I have read) the zip drives
> are slower than regular drives when runnung software from the disks.
> With 100meg space people would more likely want to do this.
Well, a zip is slower than the a *hard drive* but WAY faster than a floppy
drive and I would think even faster then a 4x CD ROM drive..... so I see
no problem here.
Adam
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>Robert Cassidy wrote:
>
>> Nah. Just dump the floppy as a standard component. Hell, a zip drive would
>> cost about the same to include. Software can be released on CD for the
>> masses. Its cheaper and necessary for most software anyway. Time to move
>> forward...
>>
>> --
>> Bob Cassidy
>> UC Irvine
>
>The problem with that is that (from what I have read) the zip drives
>are slower than regular drives when runnung software from the disks.
>
The zip drive is slower than a regular hard disk, but it's much faster
than a floppy drive and a CD drive.
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‹> In article <30F049...@primenet.com>, "Eric S. Oestreich"
‹> <mke...@primenet.com> wrote:
‹>
‹>
‹> > only problem with this unit is that the internal zip will be purple
‹> > in color and WILL NOT MATCH the Macintoshes color. They already had
‹> > prototypes at the show and let me tell you it looked UGLY! I told
‹> > Jackie Finch (Mgr of Zip Division) That I WILL NOT buy one because
‹> > of the color. I let her know that I do not want a purple unit
‹> > hanging out of my Macintosh. This is stupid. Power Computing's zip
‹> > is there color because they have a contract with iomega.
I don't know where you get your information, but I do know that the out side plates of the zip drives that come inside PowerComputer's Clones matches the outside of the case. The case is about the same color as all machintosh cases.
Adrian.
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Peter Dezendorf
(Haldane S. Henry) wrote:
> The zip drive is slower than a regular hard disk, but it's much faster
> than a floppy drive and a CD drive.
> --
The EZ135 is as fast as a hard drive and holds more than the zip. I know
- as noted in the venerable MacUser's review - you can't bounce the disks
off the wall...
For either advanced drive, a price of about $20 a disk makes them
impractical for getting material around. If you need to get, say, 4 to 10
Mb of data/application to someone you find:
1. Standard floppies are inconvenient.
2. zip/EZ135 disks would be expensive (unless your job pays for it)
3. You can e-mail it as an enclosure
Me, I like 3.
Eric S. Oestreich
Yes this whole thig about the internal zip is the face plate. The
face plate in both Ibm and Mac is supposed to be purple unless
Iomega gets enough negative replies from consumers like us.
See ya,
James Pullin
> are slower than regular drives when runnung software from the disks.
But the Zip is still faster than the standard 3.5" drive in most all
computers.
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Ian Russell Ollmann
On 12 Jan 1996, Edward M. Sikorski wrote:
> I am for color. Beige(platinum) is boring and does not match with the
> decor. In that matter, I painted my computer a Granite/Red color and
> have had great compliments. The (Indigo) ZIP drive is the first step
> towards breaking the "Beige" plague.
> The Travan is a different color. Why not the Jaz? Emerald, Indigo, Deep
> Purple, Rust, heck, SGI machines are different colors. Crimson, Indigo,
We have a rather outdated SGI Personal IRIS 4D/35 with only 16MB of RAM.
It is kind of a dark maroon. These colors show dust. There are a lot of
dusty foot prints from where we keep kicking it. :-)
Ian
Christian Smith
aaron_...@herringn.com (aaron sommer) wrote:
> In article <30F5EB...@cs.siu.edu>, j...@cs.siu.edu wrote:
>
> > Robert Cassidy wrote:
> >
> > > Nah. Just dump the floppy as a standard component. Hell, a zip drive would
> > > cost about the same to include. Software can be released on CD for the
> > > masses. Its cheaper and necessary for most software anyway. Time to move
> > > forward...
> > >
> > > --
> > > Bob Cassidy
> > > UC Irvine
> >
> > The problem with that is that (from what I have read) the zip drives
> > are slower than regular drives when runnung software from the disks.
> > With 100meg space people would more likely want to do this.
>
> By "regular drives" do you mean 1.4 meg Floppy Drives or Hard Drives? From
> what I've heard (don't have the specs handy, sorry) the Zip is about the
> same speed as a slower HD, a bit faster then a 4x CD-ROM, and hellishly
> faster than the 1.4 meg SuperDrive....
I think he means slower than your standard hard drive. Since the Zip
holds almost as much as many standard hard drives (and as much as the
standard hard drive of two years ago) people will be tempted to run
programs directly off the Zip and might be disappointed. Ohhh, my heart
bleeds for these poor soles.
I have to go with Bob on this one. Every new model designed by Apple
should be built so that the floppy can be removed and replaced with a Zip
drive. Apple should license this technology from Iomega and help ensure
that it becomes the next defacto standard. I've said as much to Apple
reps and techies at meetings, but so often they are hung up on the CD as
the next ubiquitous standard. Yes, every mac should ship with a CD and
Apple should offer a development workstation with a built in CD writer.
But there is still room for Zip. And now that Zip seems to be beeting the
pants off of the Syquest EZ drive it might just happen. The built in Zip
drive option on the Power Computing machines may be the deciding factor
when I go to buy my wife a new computer. Yes, I want a 5200 because she
(we) need a machine she can share with our 3 year old son and I like the
all in one design, but I also really want a Zip drive. Now, if Apple or
Power Computing could just come out with an all-in-one design that is
built on PCI and includes a Zip drive and a CD, well that would be the
machine for me.
Chris
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Joerg Erdei
>I don't know where you get your information, but I do know that the out
side plates of the zip drives that come inside PowerComputer's Clones matches
the outside of the case. The case is about the same color as all machintosh cases.
>Adrian.
>--
That is because the ZIP drives for PowerComputing have been designed according
PowerComputings instructions. I am sure that if you order some thousand drives
from Iomega, they paint it any color you like.
Joerg Erdei
Cpt Kangarooski
(Adam Schwartz) wrote:
-In article <30F5EB...@cs.siu.edu>, j...@cs.siu.edu wrote:
-
-> Robert Cassidy wrote:
->
-> > Nah. Just dump the floppy as a standard component. Hell, a zip drive would
-> > cost about the same to include. Software can be released on CD for the
-> > masses. Its cheaper and necessary for most software anyway. Time to move
-> > forward...
-> >
-> > --
-> > Bob Cassidy
-> > UC Irvine
->
-> The problem with that is that (from what I have read) the zip drives
-> are slower than regular drives when runnung software from the disks.
-> With 100meg space people would more likely want to do this.
-
-Well, a zip is slower than the a *hard drive* but WAY faster than a floppy
-drive and I would think even faster then a 4x CD ROM drive..... so I see
-no problem here.
as long as it could READ and WRITE my old floppies, id switch in an
instant. Oddly enough, I don't see people shipping software on zips, but
floppies are still quite common. Hell, I'd settle for another floppy drive
that could hook up to my power mac. I liked having two drives.
-cpt kangarooski
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You should see the hammer marks on the NeXT pizza box!
(For those of you who missed, a NeXT is a cool, black box. I thought of
making a subwoofer out of it..)
Dust! You mean you don't clean off you computer? I wondered about that
family of dust-bunnies poking their little heads out the disk-drive
slot!
Seriously, colors make a machine individual. Costs will go up, but it would
be a nice option. Just look at automobiles.
As for dust, a good maintenance routine should keep the destructive
particles at bay.
ed-
aaron sommer
<mke...@primenet.com> wrote:
> Phillip,
>
> Yes this whole thig about the internal zip is the face plate. The
> face plate in both Ibm and Mac is supposed to be purple unless
> Iomega gets enough negative replies from consumers like us.
Got a response from Iomega regarding this. Turns out that they were
thinking about a *Blue* faceplate (not purple), but are reconsidering.
Nice to know someone's listening.
aaron sommer
zwe...@husc.edu (Wintermute) wrote:
> Zip drives are slower than Hard Drives but MUCH faster than Floppy Drives
> >
> > > Nah. Just dump the floppy as a standard component. Hell, a zip drive would
> > > cost about the same to include. Software can be released on CD for the
> > > masses. Its cheaper and necessary for most software anyway. Time to move
> > > forward...
> > The problem with that is that (from what I have read) the zip drives
> > are slower than regular drives when runnung software from the disks.
> > With 100meg space people would more likely want to do this.
Feh. Can't be any more hellish than running a app from a floppy (and with
100 megs, you won't have to do the floppy shuffle for larger apps...)
I have friends with Zip drives- they've run Marathon off the things and
had no problems, so the "speed issue" is greatly overstated, IMO.
aaron sommer
> Robert Cassidy wrote:
>
> > Nah. Just dump the floppy as a standard component. Hell, a zip drive would
> > cost about the same to include. Software can be released on CD for the
> > masses. Its cheaper and necessary for most software anyway. Time to move
> > forward...
> >
> > --
> > Bob Cassidy
> > UC Irvine
>
> The problem with that is that (from what I have read) the zip drives
> are slower than regular drives when runnung software from the disks.
> With 100meg space people would more likely want to do this.
By "regular drives" do you mean 1.4 meg Floppy Drives or Hard Drives? From
Andrew J. Braverman
not purple - a nice std computer color... one cart. w/ Mac ZipTools...
offer $$$/Trade
anyone?
In article <167378534...@psybercity.com>,
James_...@psybercity.com wrote:
> > The problem with that is that (from what I have read) the zip drives
> > are slower than regular drives when runnung software from the disks.
> > With 100meg space people would more likely want to do this.
>
Joerg Erdei
>
>I think he means slower than your standard hard drive. Since the Zip
>holds almost as much as many standard hard drives (and as much as the
>standard hard drive of two years ago) people will be tempted to run
>programs directly off the Zip and might be disappointed. Ohhh, my heart
>bleeds for these poor soles.
>
>I have to go with Bob on this one. Every new model designed by Apple
>should be built so that the floppy can be removed and replaced with a Zip
>drive. Apple should license this technology from Iomega and help ensure
>that it becomes the next defacto standard. I've said as much to Apple
>reps and techies at meetings, but so often they are hung up on the CD as
>the next ubiquitous standard. Yes, every mac should ship with a CD and
>Apple should offer a development workstation with a built in CD writer.
>But there is still room for Zip. And now that Zip seems to be beeting the
>pants off of the Syquest EZ drive it might just happen. The built in Zip
>drive option on the Power Computing machines may be the deciding factor
>when I go to buy my wife a new computer. Yes, I want a 5200 because she
>(we) need a machine she can share with our 3 year old son and I like the
>all in one design, but I also really want a Zip drive. Now, if Apple or
>Power Computing could just come out with an all-in-one design that is
>built on PCI and includes a Zip drive and a CD, well that would be the
>machine for me.
>
>Chris
>
But why the hell shouldn't they put in a ZIP and a floppy drive. With the
exception of PowerBooks, there is enough room for both in almost any Mac.
And given the prices for internal floppy drives, that should be no problem.
And it would solve the compatibility issue (and there is one, for floppy
drives could read and write HDs much faster if they had not to be compatible
with DD, and this kind of compatibility is requested by many users).
Joerg Erdei
Robert Cassidy
<a810...@vm.univie.ac.at> wrote:
> csm...@gmu.edu (Christian Smith) wrote:
> >I have to go with Bob on this one. Every new model designed by Apple
> >should be built so that the floppy can be removed and replaced with a Zip
> >drive. Apple should license this technology from Iomega and help ensure
> >that it becomes the next defacto standard. I've said as much to Apple
> >reps and techies at meetings, but so often they are hung up on the CD as
> >the next ubiquitous standard.
> But why the hell shouldn't they put in a ZIP and a floppy drive. With the
> exception of PowerBooks, there is enough room for both in almost any Mac.
> And given the prices for internal floppy drives, that should be no problem.
> And it would solve the compatibility issue (and there is one, for floppy
> drives could read and write HDs much faster if they had not to be compatible
> with DD, and this kind of compatibility is requested by many users).
Internal floppy drives are still $100 - about the same as a Zip (cost).
Given that you had a Zip and a CD, why would you want a floppy? As soon as
the Zip population approaches the floppy population you'll be paying $2
for a 100MB Zip. It's gotta be one or the other. If not, Powerbook users
are hosed as are low-end systems that can only afford one or the other.
You gotta choose, you can't have both. Developers will ship on CD.
Floppies have got to go. Think about the bus simplification when all there
is is SCSI to deal with - no floppy controller, driver, etc. It's a great
solution that's a bit painful.
Dave Low
: A computer on any desk is a vulgar thing, no matter what the color.
: Especially in a well appointed office. Better off hiding the thing. Just
: like most technology items. Match colors all you want, but it's not a
: Versace suit.
Speak for yourself buddy...I bought my 8500 mostly because I like the
looks of the tower design. I consider my computer a work of art, not just
a metal box filled with silicon parts.
Dave L.
Alex Tomlinson
(Robert Cassidy) wrote:
> Internal floppy drives are still $100 - about the same as a Zip (cost).
> Given that you had a Zip and a CD, why would you want a floppy? As soon as
> the Zip population approaches the floppy population you'll be paying $2
> for a 100MB Zip. It's gotta be one or the other. If not, Powerbook users
> are hosed as are low-end systems that can only afford one or the other.
> You gotta choose, you can't have both. Developers will ship on CD.
> Floppies have got to go. Think about the bus simplification when all there
> is is SCSI to deal with - no floppy controller, driver, etc. It's a great
> solution that's a bit painful.
Not to mention the fact that you can't fit anything bigger than a shopping
list on a floppy anymore.
Alex
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ryb...@cat.com
Well, there's the difference. PC owners secretly hate the appearance
of their computers because they are all so damn ugly. Face it, PC
cases are double butt ugly. Mac cases on the other hand are beautiful.
They are functional yet elegant sculptures created by skilled artists at
Apple. Hanging a purple drive plate on such a work of art would be
like putting a purple frame around the Mona Lisa. Sick, sick sick :-)
Christian Smith
What's the issue here? Why the hell would one need a purple face plate
for the Iomega? And even if one did, I'm sure one could be designed that
would look kind of neet in the middle of the 8500, it might help break up
the plainness of the front of the 8500/8100.
Dana Hartshorn
Smith) wrote:
-> In article <4dm54s$s...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, ryb...@cat.com wrote:
->
-> > In article <dlow-16019...@ip-193.dial.voyager.net>,
-> dl...@voyager.net (Dave Low) writes:
-> > |> In article <rmd103-0901...@rmd103.rh.psu.edu>,
-> rmd...@psu.edu wrote:
-> > |> [snip]
-> > |> : A computer on any desk is a vulgar thing, no matter what the color.
-> > |> : Especially in a well appointed office. Better off hiding the
thing. Just
-> > |> : like most technology items. Match colors all you want, but it's not a
-> > |> : Versace suit.
-> > |>
-> > |> Speak for yourself buddy...I bought my 8500 mostly because I like the
-> > |> looks of the tower design. I consider my computer a work of art,
not just
-> > |> a metal box filled with silicon parts.
-> > |>
-> >
-> > Well, there's the difference. PC owners secretly hate the appearance
-> > of their computers because they are all so damn ugly. Face it, PC
-> > cases are double butt ugly. Mac cases on the other hand are beautiful.
-> > They are functional yet elegant sculptures created by skilled artists at
-> > Apple. Hanging a purple drive plate on such a work of art would be
-> > like putting a purple frame around the Mona Lisa. Sick, sick sick :-)
->
-> What's the issue here? Why the hell would one need a purple face plate
-> for the Iomega? And even if one did, I'm sure one could be designed that
-> would look kind of neet in the middle of the 8500, it might help break up
-> the plainness of the front of the 8500/8100.
->
Sounds like a new business opportunity is about to unfold. Whaddya
think? Will it get to be as big a DOS?
Dana
Darksun
Speak for yourself buddy...I bought my 8500 mostly because I like the
<<
120, but why would I want something like that sitting on my desk?(well, and
it doesn't come with all the 8500 does) I was looking into getting a Zip, but
they are so damn ugly I got a EZ instead.. maybe if the internal Zip looks
"normal" I'll trade the ol' EZ in, but so far I love the thing...
Kevin Hayes
>Patrick Baird wrote:
>
>> > > The
>> > > only problem with this unit is that the internal zip will be purple
>> > > in color and WILL NOT MATCH the Macintoshes color. They already had
>> > > prototypes at the show and let me tell you it looked UGLY!
That's just a prototype. Look at Power COmputing's Mac boxes. (Ads on back
cover of MacUser) - it is white.
l gaylord
Now this stupid fucking thread is starting concerning the
color of internal EZ drives, too! Where will it end?
Steve Wilson <swi...@gil.com.au> wrote:
>
> Saw the brochures for two machines that Apple is now selling here in Oz,
> based on an 8500 and a 9500, and both are called 'Publisher's Editions'.
> The 8500 comes with 64meg of ram, the 9500 with 128meg, and both have
> EZ135 drives installed. Interesting to note though, is that the faceplate
> of the EZ's are dark blue (that's what it looks like in the photos), and
> look strange sitting in the middle of a grey bezel?
Jerry Kindall
Kum...@LumpyPro.com (Kumkwat) wrote:
>True, the Zip might be 18ms behind your hard drive, but you won't really
>notice unless you're completely strapped for time and watching each
>nanosecond slowly go by
Actually, 1 ms is equal to 1 MILLION nanoseconds. If you're watching each
nanosecond go by you're going to watch a LOT of 'em go by waiting for a
Zip.
>--
>You secretly wish you had a mac, I know.
> -Squishy
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David Clatfelter
gmi...@inca.co.nz writes:
>(I dont own a Zip drive at the moment. I am waiting for the one gigabyte
>syquest to become available before I make my decision on large-megabyte
>removable media)
Three cheers for the beige Zip drives that were being shown off by
Epson at MacWorld SF! (Not that I really mind the blue, but these were
very classy ... and if Epson can take care of the backorders ... awesome!
I personally would love to see Zip as the next standard. 100MB, and
indestructible for all practical purposes. Oh yeah ... and did everyone
read the article about Maxell and Sony (I believe) are going to start
manufacturing the cartridges? Way to go Iomega!)
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>Three cheers for the beige Zip drives that were being shown off by
>Epson at MacWorld SF! (Not that I really mind the blue, but these were
>very classy ... and if Epson can take care of the backorders ... awesome!
>I personally would love to see Zip as the next standard. 100MB, and
>indestructible for all practical purposes. Oh yeah ... and did everyone
>read the article about Maxell and Sony (I believe) are going to start
>manufacturing the cartridges? Way to go Iomega!)
By the way, I saw Epson Zip is creamy white (from MacUser) which should look
better than purple.
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Joshua Juran
(U-NO-HOO) wrote:
> David Clatfelter <dcla...@citrus.ucr.edu> writes:
>
> >Three cheers for the beige Zip drives that were being shown off by
> >Epson at MacWorld SF! (Not that I really mind the blue, but these were
> >very classy ... and if Epson can take care of the backorders ... awesome!
> >I personally would love to see Zip as the next standard. 100MB, and
> >indestructible for all practical purposes. Oh yeah ... and did everyone
> >read the article about Maxell and Sony (I believe) are going to start
> >manufacturing the cartridges? Way to go Iomega!)
>
> By the way, I saw Epson Zip is creamy white (from MacUser) which should look
> better than purple.
This reminds me of Douglas Adams' _Life, the Universe, and Everything_.
Ford Prefect is castigating prehistoric Earth's Golgafrinchan crash
victims: "Have you guys even invented the wheel yet?" To which one
responds "Well, it's a very complicated issue. If you know so much about
technology, why don't you tell us what color it should be?"
Personally, I think the purple looks great. In fact, if it supported
more SCSI ID's than just 5 and 6, I'd have bought one already. I consider
this a pointless limitation and a big drawback.
Josh
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Ben Samuel
<dcla...@citrus.ucr.edu> wrote:
>In article <4e39t5$f...@inca01.inca.co.nz> Gaven Miller,
>gmi...@inca.co.nz writes:
>>(I dont own a Zip drive at the moment. I am waiting for the one gigabyte
>>syquest to become available before I make my decision on large-megabyte
>>removable media)
>
>Three cheers for the beige Zip drives that were being shown off by
>Epson at MacWorld SF! (Not that I really mind the blue, but these were
>very classy ... and if Epson can take care of the backorders ... awesome!
>I personally would love to see Zip as the next standard. 100MB, and
>indestructible for all practical purposes. Oh yeah ... and did everyone
>read the article about Maxell and Sony (I believe) are going to start
>manufacturing the cartridges? Way to go Iomega!)
Replace floppies with Zip disks? You could have something there! I would
like to see the MacOS handle removable disks better. Another item on my
Copland wish-list, I suppose.
Jim Fitch
:Three cheers for the beige Zip drives that were being shown off by
:Epson at MacWorld SF!
Does anyone know if these beige Epson Zip drives are available anywhere
yet? Or when they are expected to be available?
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jimf...@community.net
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