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denodster
Nov 6, 2021, 12:25:04 AM11/6/21
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Posting on my LC 475 running Internews. This is my first time on Usenet
and I'm thrilled to find this group. Running system 7.6.1 and MacIP via
an old cisco router. It's been a fun project and I'm thrilled to get to
use it like this.
What kind of hardware are you all running? and how did you get it
online?
and I'm thrilled to find this group. Running system 7.6.1 and MacIP via
an old cisco router. It's been a fun project and I'm thrilled to get to
use it like this.
What kind of hardware are you all running? and how did you get it
online?
Jolly Roger
Nov 6, 2021, 12:36:07 PM11/6/21
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On 2021-11-06, denodster <deno...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Posting on my LC 475 running Internews. This is my first time on
> Usenet and I'm thrilled to find this group. Running system 7.6.1 and
> MacIP via an old cisco router. It's been a fun project and I'm
> thrilled to get to use it like this.
Nice! I still have an LC 475 in the closet here. Love that pizza box
> Posting on my LC 475 running Internews. This is my first time on
> Usenet and I'm thrilled to find this group. Running system 7.6.1 and
> MacIP via an old cisco router. It's been a fun project and I'm
> thrilled to get to use it like this.
case... : )
> What kind of hardware are you all running? and how did you get it
> online?
in the late 1980s. It was our first Mac. All of our other computers at
the time ran their own specific command-line operating system with no
graphical interface or mouse - just ugly text on an ugly screen. Home
Computers back then either used tape drives for storage or had floppy
drives with their own flavor of DOS.
The Mac we brought home was completely different. It was relatively
small compared to most computers of the time, was self-contained
(screen, CPU, floppy drive, etc were all housed in the case) and could
be carried with one hand. And unlike most, not only did it come with a
mouse, but the mouse was actually *required* to use it.
It completely changed the way I looked at computers for the better. And
while I was very much into programming our trusty TRS-80s in Basic and
Zilog assembly, the Mac with an OS geared from the ground up to be
driven by the GUI, along with Apple’s rich APIs and Pascal / 68k
assembly programming languages immediately took my attention and
opened new worlds to me. And the Mac SE/30 was pretty fast for a
computer at that time - hence the name. : )
Zippy is old, but still runs fine. I've replaced the cooling fan,
upgraded the RAM, and replaced the hard drive over the years. But other
than that, the hardware all original. It's currently running system
7.5.5, has an Asante MacCon 10 megabit Ethernet card installed in the
PDS expansion slot for internet connectivity, and runs the MacHTTP web
server full time, hosting a little website:
<http://zippy.kicks-ass.org:9997>
--
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.
JR
Denodster
Nov 6, 2021, 9:27:49 PM11/6/21
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In article <iunp7l...@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
PPC is to find one of those elusive upgrades. Unfortunately mine has come
plastic damage, maybe I'll acquire a non-working one at some point.
>
> My oldest Mac is a Mac SE/30 which was originally purchased by my father
> in the late 1980s. It was our first Mac. All of our other computers at
> the time ran their own specific command-line operating system with no
> graphical interface or mouse - just ugly text on an ugly screen. Home
> Computers back then either used tape drives for storage or had floppy
> drives with their own flavor of DOS.
>
> The Mac we brought home was completely different. It was relatively
> small compared to most computers of the time, was self-contained
> (screen, CPU, floppy drive, etc were all housed in the case) and could
> be carried with one hand. And unlike most, not only did it come with a
> mouse, but the mouse was actually *required* to use it.
>
> It completely changed the way I looked at computers for the better. And
> while I was very much into programming our trusty TRS-80s in Basic and
> Zilog assembly, the Mac with an OS geared from the ground up to be
> driven by the GUI, along with Apple’s rich APIs and Pascal / 68k
> assembly programming languages immediately took my attention and
> opened new worlds to me. And the Mac SE/30 was pretty fast for a
> computer at that time - hence the name. : )
>
My first mac was a IIcx that my dad acquired at a surplus auction, with a
portrait monitor. I remember being floored that it didn't have any
scrolling text or command line the first time I booted it up. Apple was
truly thinking different with these machines. As much as I believe they
made the right decision with Unix being the basis of OS X, I can't help
but feel like something was lost the day they added a terminal to the Mac.
I've recently acquired Inside Macintosh Volumes 1-6 and I've been trying
to think up a project I would like to work on. Web development is my day
job and I know how to program in C, so I think I could come up with some
classic mac apps.
> Zippy is old, but still runs fine. I've replaced the cooling fan,
> upgraded the RAM, and replaced the hard drive over the years. But other
> than that, the hardware all original. It's currently running system
> 7.5.5, has an Asante MacCon 10 megabit Ethernet card installed in the
> PDS expansion slot for internet connectivity, and runs the MacHTTP web
> server full time, hosting a little website:
>
> <http://zippy.kicks-ass.org:9997>
Love the website, it works pretty well on my LC 475, good work!
<jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
> Nice! I still have an LC 475 in the closet here. Love that pizza box
> case... : )
>
One of my favorite computer designs, It's too bad the only way to get a
> Nice! I still have an LC 475 in the closet here. Love that pizza box
> case... : )
>
PPC is to find one of those elusive upgrades. Unfortunately mine has come
plastic damage, maybe I'll acquire a non-working one at some point.
>
> My oldest Mac is a Mac SE/30 which was originally purchased by my father
> in the late 1980s. It was our first Mac. All of our other computers at
> the time ran their own specific command-line operating system with no
> graphical interface or mouse - just ugly text on an ugly screen. Home
> Computers back then either used tape drives for storage or had floppy
> drives with their own flavor of DOS.
>
> The Mac we brought home was completely different. It was relatively
> small compared to most computers of the time, was self-contained
> (screen, CPU, floppy drive, etc were all housed in the case) and could
> be carried with one hand. And unlike most, not only did it come with a
> mouse, but the mouse was actually *required* to use it.
>
> It completely changed the way I looked at computers for the better. And
> while I was very much into programming our trusty TRS-80s in Basic and
> Zilog assembly, the Mac with an OS geared from the ground up to be
> driven by the GUI, along with Apple’s rich APIs and Pascal / 68k
> assembly programming languages immediately took my attention and
> opened new worlds to me. And the Mac SE/30 was pretty fast for a
> computer at that time - hence the name. : )
>
portrait monitor. I remember being floored that it didn't have any
scrolling text or command line the first time I booted it up. Apple was
truly thinking different with these machines. As much as I believe they
made the right decision with Unix being the basis of OS X, I can't help
but feel like something was lost the day they added a terminal to the Mac.
I've recently acquired Inside Macintosh Volumes 1-6 and I've been trying
to think up a project I would like to work on. Web development is my day
job and I know how to program in C, so I think I could come up with some
classic mac apps.
> Zippy is old, but still runs fine. I've replaced the cooling fan,
> upgraded the RAM, and replaced the hard drive over the years. But other
> than that, the hardware all original. It's currently running system
> 7.5.5, has an Asante MacCon 10 megabit Ethernet card installed in the
> PDS expansion slot for internet connectivity, and runs the MacHTTP web
> server full time, hosting a little website:
>
> <http://zippy.kicks-ass.org:9997>
Your Name
Nov 6, 2021, 9:53:29 PM11/6/21
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On 2021-11-07 01:27:41 +0000, Denodster said:
> In article <iunp7l...@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
> <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> Nice! I still have an LC 475 in the closet here. Love that pizza box
>> case... : )
>
> One of my favorite computer designs,
Yep, a great case design from when Apple actually allowed people to
> In article <iunp7l...@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
> <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> Nice! I still have an LC 475 in the closet here. Love that pizza box
>> case... : )
>
> One of my favorite computer designs,
upgrade their computers ... just pop the lid, no screws to bother with.
It's basically a more flattened copy of the old Apple II design.
> It's too bad the only way to get a PPC is to find one of those elusive
> upgrades. Unfortunately mine has come plastic damage, maybe I'll
> acquire a non-working one at some point.
into it and have an Intel or Apple Silicon Mac ... it still wouldn't of
course have expansion possibilities anywhere close to those old Macs.
:-(
can be a option bet than C.
nospam
Nov 7, 2021, 8:59:45 AM11/7/21
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In article <sm7bil$1hbn$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
intel mac mini is also easy.
> > I've recently acquired Inside Macintosh Volumes 1-6 and I've been trying
> > to think up a project I would like to work on. Web development is my day
> > job and I know how to program in C, so I think I could come up with some
> > classic mac apps.
>
> Depending on which version of Classic Mac OS you're aiming at, Pascal
> can be a option bet than C.
there is no advantage for pascal, or c for that matter.
c++ would be the best choice.
<Your...@YourISP.com> wrote:
> >> Nice! I still have an LC 475 in the closet here. Love that pizza box
> >> case... : )
> >
> > One of my favorite computer designs,
>
> Yep, a great case design from when Apple actually allowed people to
> upgrade their computers ... just pop the lid, no screws to bother with.
> It's basically a more flattened copy of the old Apple II design.
mac pro is easily upgraded without any screws and in all sorts of ways.
> >> Nice! I still have an LC 475 in the closet here. Love that pizza box
> >> case... : )
> >
> > One of my favorite computer designs,
>
> Yep, a great case design from when Apple actually allowed people to
> upgrade their computers ... just pop the lid, no screws to bother with.
> It's basically a more flattened copy of the old Apple II design.
intel mac mini is also easy.
> > I've recently acquired Inside Macintosh Volumes 1-6 and I've been trying
> > to think up a project I would like to work on. Web development is my day
> > job and I know how to program in C, so I think I could come up with some
> > classic mac apps.
>
> Depending on which version of Classic Mac OS you're aiming at, Pascal
> can be a option bet than C.
c++ would be the best choice.
philo
Nov 10, 2021, 6:48:57 PM11/10/21
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I was recently given a Quadra running OS-8.
Though I could put it on-line, I was more curious about setting up a printer.
To my amazement I was able to use my networked laser printer. Though the printer is 15 years newer than the computer ...because of Postscript it worked!
Though I could put it on-line, I was more curious about setting up a printer.
To my amazement I was able to use my networked laser printer. Though the printer is 15 years newer than the computer ...because of Postscript it worked!
nospam
Nov 10, 2021, 7:38:06 PM11/10/21
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In article <52093edf8badc27b...@news.novabbs.com>, philo
every mac supports network printers via postscript, going back to the
very first mac in 1984.
very first mac in 1984.
Your Name
Nov 10, 2021, 8:12:55 PM11/10/21
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for someone who had upgraded from an old CRT iMac, a couple of years
later I had to update the OS on it. Both times I thought they might
have problems with their big, clunky, very ancient printer (no idea how
old, but must have been one of the first USB printers from HP), but I
plugged it into a USB socket and the new iMac recognised it and worked
fine.
Eli the Bearded
Nov 10, 2021, 8:49:25 PM11/10/21
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In comp.sys.mac.vintage, nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> intel mac mini is also easy.
As far as I can tell, that one may be easy but has a bunch of screws.
The LC is probably between this IIsi and Quadra 610 in complexity, but
ifixit doesn't have a guide for it so I can't be certain:
https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Macintosh+IIsi+Disassembly/2748
https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Macintosh+Quadra+610+Teardown/55176
The IIsi and the 128K are the only "classic mac" they have guides for
that I've taken apart myself. The IIci was virtually the same as the
IIsi for opening / repair work. The IIe (not a Mac, but in the "Classic
Mac" section" was easy to open, but used more screws.
>> Depending on which version of Classic Mac OS you're aiming at, Pascal
>> can be a option bet than C.
> there is no advantage for pascal, or c for that matter.
I've programmed for System 7 in C. You definitely got the feel that a
lot of stuff was written for Pascal, eg seeing Pascal style strings
in places.
> c++ would be the best choice.
What C++? The C++ of today is nothing like the C++ of the late 1990s.
Elijah
------
C has changed, too, but slower
> Your Name <Your...@YourISP.com> wrote:
>> Yep, a great case design from when Apple actually allowed people to
>> upgrade their computers ... just pop the lid, no screws to bother with.
>> It's basically a more flattened copy of the old Apple II design.
> mac pro is easily upgraded without any screws and in all sorts of ways.
After you break your wallet buying it.
>> Yep, a great case design from when Apple actually allowed people to
>> upgrade their computers ... just pop the lid, no screws to bother with.
>> It's basically a more flattened copy of the old Apple II design.
> mac pro is easily upgraded without any screws and in all sorts of ways.
> intel mac mini is also easy.
The LC is probably between this IIsi and Quadra 610 in complexity, but
ifixit doesn't have a guide for it so I can't be certain:
https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Macintosh+IIsi+Disassembly/2748
https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Macintosh+Quadra+610+Teardown/55176
The IIsi and the 128K are the only "classic mac" they have guides for
that I've taken apart myself. The IIci was virtually the same as the
IIsi for opening / repair work. The IIe (not a Mac, but in the "Classic
Mac" section" was easy to open, but used more screws.
>> Depending on which version of Classic Mac OS you're aiming at, Pascal
>> can be a option bet than C.
> there is no advantage for pascal, or c for that matter.
lot of stuff was written for Pascal, eg seeing Pascal style strings
in places.
> c++ would be the best choice.
Elijah
------
C has changed, too, but slower
Denodster
Nov 10, 2021, 9:40:02 PM11/10/21
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In article <52093edf8badc27b...@news.novabbs.com>,
I print from System 7.6 to a Brother laser printer from 2019 over tcp/ip.
If you update Laserwriter 8 you can use a windows computer to extract a
.PPD file from the windows driver and then copy it over to the mac and add
it to the printer descriptions in the extensions folder. (I think I used
res edit to specify the file type to ease the conversion) From there it
just worked.
If you update Laserwriter 8 you can use a windows computer to extract a
.PPD file from the windows driver and then copy it over to the mac and add
it to the printer descriptions in the extensions folder. (I think I used
res edit to specify the file type to ease the conversion) From there it
just worked.
D Finnigan
Nov 10, 2021, 10:59:25 PM11/10/21
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Denodster wrote:
>
> I've recently acquired Inside Macintosh Volumes 1-6 and I've been trying
> to think up a project I would like to work on. Web development is my day
> job and I know how to program in C, so I think I could come up with some
> classic mac apps.
There's no time to lose. Better get started reading others' Macintosh code,
>
> I've recently acquired Inside Macintosh Volumes 1-6 and I've been trying
> to think up a project I would like to work on. Web development is my day
> job and I know how to program in C, so I think I could come up with some
> classic mac apps.
even if you do nothing else. Check out the MacTutor/MacTech archives. Also
the Apple Developer CD. Both include lots of sample code.
The MacTutor archives should be online at this URL:
https://preserve.mactech.com/articles/index.html
I wasn't able to load it just now, so maybe it'll work later. :-/
--
]DF$
The New Apple II User's Guide:
https://macgui.com/newa2guide/
nospam
Nov 11, 2021, 12:18:02 AM11/11/21
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In article <eli$21111...@qaz.wtf>, Eli the Bearded
pays for itself very quickly.
it's a high end pro system for compute intensive tasks where time is
money, not something home users would get for faster web surfing.
the claim was that apple no longer allows people to upgrade macs. that
is false. they have *never* prohibited it.
some macs are more limited because most people never upgrade. there is
no reason to include slots that will never be used.
> > intel mac mini is also easy.
>
> As far as I can tell, that one may be easy but has a bunch of screws.
it does not.
the bottom plate twists off, no tools required:
<https://support.apple.com/library/content/dam/edam/applecare/images/en_
US/macmini/macmini-memory-diagram-2010-12-rotate-cover-open.png>
<https://support.apple.com/library/content/dam/edam/applecare/images/en_
US/macmini/macmini-memory-diagram-2010-12-remove-cover.png>
the previous mac mini enclosure (white top, with both g4 & intel
processors) needed a putty knife to snap the clips, at which point the
top lifts off.
> The LC is probably between this IIsi and Quadra 610 in complexity, but
> ifixit doesn't have a guide for it so I can't be certain:
the lc was extremely easy to open.
the top lifted off via two tabs at the back, as did many macs of that
era.
there was a single screw to secure the lid, but that was not needed and
rarely put back after opening it.
<https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2b/Macintosh_LC_%28ori
ginal%29_-_rear.jpg>
many macs were even easier.
the side of the cheese-grater mac pro and powermac g5 was easily
removed:
<https://guide-images.cdn.ifixit.com/igi/LG2YPVaHQQ1nWjIE.medium>
the side of the powermac g4 flipped down while the computer could
remain powered and operational, which made it *very* easy to design
hardware cards.
<https://guide-images.cdn.ifixit.com/igi/usapiMdDDBFeDDhd.medium>
<https://guide-images.cdn.ifixit.com/igi/6j1Fmc6PY2u6c6GG.medium>
<https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ab/Apple_PowerMa
c_G4_M8570_MDD_sideopen.jpg/800px-Apple_PowerMac_G4_M8570_MDD_sideopen.j
pg>
> https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Macintosh+IIsi+Disassembly/2748
>
> https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Macintosh+Quadra+610+Teardown/55176
>
> The IIsi and the 128K are the only "classic mac" they have guides for
> that I've taken apart myself.
take-apart guides are not needed for macs of that vintage.
> The IIci was virtually the same as the
> IIsi for opening / repair work.
the lid was easy to remove, but the similarity ends there.
the iisi was a low end mac with a single pds slot, and an optional
adapter for a true nubus slot.
<https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/99/Macintosh_IIsi_2.jp
g>
<https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1a/Macintosh_IIsi_Port
s.jpg>
the iici, iicx and quadra 700 had nearly identical casings, all with
three nubus slots in, differing in which external ports they had.
the iicx lacked onboard video and required a video card, so it really
had only 2 usable nubus slots for expansion.
the iici was the first with onboard video, saving a nubus slot, with an
additional video connector on the back.
the quadra 700 was intended for vertical use, with the labeling on the
front being rotated, plus the feet on what would have been the side
rather than the bottom. this was to match the bigger quadra 900 tower.
<https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ca/Macintosh_IIcx.jpg>
<https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/63/Macintosh_IIci.png>
<https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/39/Macintosh_Quadra_70
0.png>
> The IIe (not a Mac, but in the "Classic
> Mac" section" was easy to open, but used more screws.
the apple ii series were very easy to open and modify.
> >> Depending on which version of Classic Mac OS you're aiming at, Pascal
> >> can be a option bet than C.
> > there is no advantage for pascal, or c for that matter.
>
> I've programmed for System 7 in C. You definitely got the feel that a
> lot of stuff was written for Pascal, eg seeing Pascal style strings
> in places.
most of classic mac os was originally written in pascal, with many core
routines in hand-optimized assembly.
that meant that strings were pascal style, however, that was not an
issue whatsoever for app development with c.
pascal strings are also more robust than c strings, so this was a
feature, not a bug.
think/lightspeed c was *extremely* popular, as was codewarrior, which
supported both pascal, c, c++ and inline 68k assembly in the same ide.
> > c++ would be the best choice.
>
> What C++? The C++ of today is nothing like the C++ of the late 1990s.
so what?
computers of today are nothing like computers of the late 1990s.
anyone writing apps for classic mac os would be best served using c++.
codewarrior's powerplant was a fantastic framework for writing apps,
written in c++, source code included.
<*@eli.users.panix.com> wrote:
> >> Yep, a great case design from when Apple actually allowed people to
> >> upgrade their computers ... just pop the lid, no screws to bother with.
> >> It's basically a more flattened copy of the old Apple II design.
> > mac pro is easily upgraded without any screws and in all sorts of ways.
>
> After you break your wallet buying it.
people who need a mac pro are not concerned with its price because it
> >> Yep, a great case design from when Apple actually allowed people to
> >> upgrade their computers ... just pop the lid, no screws to bother with.
> >> It's basically a more flattened copy of the old Apple II design.
> > mac pro is easily upgraded without any screws and in all sorts of ways.
>
> After you break your wallet buying it.
pays for itself very quickly.
it's a high end pro system for compute intensive tasks where time is
money, not something home users would get for faster web surfing.
the claim was that apple no longer allows people to upgrade macs. that
is false. they have *never* prohibited it.
some macs are more limited because most people never upgrade. there is
no reason to include slots that will never be used.
> > intel mac mini is also easy.
>
> As far as I can tell, that one may be easy but has a bunch of screws.
the bottom plate twists off, no tools required:
<https://support.apple.com/library/content/dam/edam/applecare/images/en_
US/macmini/macmini-memory-diagram-2010-12-rotate-cover-open.png>
<https://support.apple.com/library/content/dam/edam/applecare/images/en_
US/macmini/macmini-memory-diagram-2010-12-remove-cover.png>
the previous mac mini enclosure (white top, with both g4 & intel
processors) needed a putty knife to snap the clips, at which point the
top lifts off.
> The LC is probably between this IIsi and Quadra 610 in complexity, but
> ifixit doesn't have a guide for it so I can't be certain:
the top lifted off via two tabs at the back, as did many macs of that
era.
there was a single screw to secure the lid, but that was not needed and
rarely put back after opening it.
<https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2b/Macintosh_LC_%28ori
ginal%29_-_rear.jpg>
many macs were even easier.
the side of the cheese-grater mac pro and powermac g5 was easily
removed:
<https://guide-images.cdn.ifixit.com/igi/LG2YPVaHQQ1nWjIE.medium>
the side of the powermac g4 flipped down while the computer could
remain powered and operational, which made it *very* easy to design
hardware cards.
<https://guide-images.cdn.ifixit.com/igi/usapiMdDDBFeDDhd.medium>
<https://guide-images.cdn.ifixit.com/igi/6j1Fmc6PY2u6c6GG.medium>
<https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ab/Apple_PowerMa
c_G4_M8570_MDD_sideopen.jpg/800px-Apple_PowerMac_G4_M8570_MDD_sideopen.j
pg>
> https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Macintosh+IIsi+Disassembly/2748
>
> https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Macintosh+Quadra+610+Teardown/55176
>
> The IIsi and the 128K are the only "classic mac" they have guides for
> that I've taken apart myself.
> The IIci was virtually the same as the
> IIsi for opening / repair work.
the iisi was a low end mac with a single pds slot, and an optional
adapter for a true nubus slot.
<https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/99/Macintosh_IIsi_2.jp
g>
<https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1a/Macintosh_IIsi_Port
s.jpg>
the iici, iicx and quadra 700 had nearly identical casings, all with
three nubus slots in, differing in which external ports they had.
the iicx lacked onboard video and required a video card, so it really
had only 2 usable nubus slots for expansion.
the iici was the first with onboard video, saving a nubus slot, with an
additional video connector on the back.
the quadra 700 was intended for vertical use, with the labeling on the
front being rotated, plus the feet on what would have been the side
rather than the bottom. this was to match the bigger quadra 900 tower.
<https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ca/Macintosh_IIcx.jpg>
<https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/63/Macintosh_IIci.png>
<https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/39/Macintosh_Quadra_70
0.png>
> The IIe (not a Mac, but in the "Classic
> Mac" section" was easy to open, but used more screws.
> >> Depending on which version of Classic Mac OS you're aiming at, Pascal
> >> can be a option bet than C.
> > there is no advantage for pascal, or c for that matter.
>
> I've programmed for System 7 in C. You definitely got the feel that a
> lot of stuff was written for Pascal, eg seeing Pascal style strings
> in places.
routines in hand-optimized assembly.
that meant that strings were pascal style, however, that was not an
issue whatsoever for app development with c.
pascal strings are also more robust than c strings, so this was a
feature, not a bug.
think/lightspeed c was *extremely* popular, as was codewarrior, which
supported both pascal, c, c++ and inline 68k assembly in the same ide.
> > c++ would be the best choice.
>
> What C++? The C++ of today is nothing like the C++ of the late 1990s.
computers of today are nothing like computers of the late 1990s.
anyone writing apps for classic mac os would be best served using c++.
codewarrior's powerplant was a fantastic framework for writing apps,
written in c++, source code included.
Your Name
Nov 11, 2021, 1:09:54 AM11/11/21
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On 2021-11-11 01:49:24 +0000, Eli the Bearded said:
> In comp.sys.mac.vintage, nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> Your Name <Your...@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>> Yep, a great case design from when Apple actually allowed people to
>>> upgrade their computers ... just pop the lid, no screws to bother with.
>>> It's basically a more flattened copy of the old Apple II design.
>> mac pro is easily upgraded without any screws and in all sorts of ways.
>
> After you break your wallet buying it.
Some models of Mac Pro and PowerMac towers require hinging out sections
> In comp.sys.mac.vintage, nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> Your Name <Your...@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>> Yep, a great case design from when Apple actually allowed people to
>>> upgrade their computers ... just pop the lid, no screws to bother with.
>>> It's basically a more flattened copy of the old Apple II design.
>> mac pro is easily upgraded without any screws and in all sorts of ways.
>
> After you break your wallet buying it.
to get to other sections, so not as easy as the old LC 'pop the lid and
you're in'.
>> intel mac mini is also easy.
>
> As far as I can tell, that one may be easy but has a bunch of screws.
off, but that only allowed limited access. Anything else did require
unscrewing bits and sliding the motherboard out the back.
Many of the Mac Mini models aren't very upgradable, if at all, anyway
because Apple now tends to solder everything down. :(
> The LC is probably between this IIsi and Quadra 610 in complexity, but
> ifixit doesn't have a guide for it so I can't be certain:
>
> https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Macintosh+IIsi+Disassembly/2748
>
> https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Macintosh+Quadra+610+Teardown/55176
>
> The IIsi and the 128K are the only "classic mac" they have guides for
> that I've taken apart myself. The IIci was virtually the same as the
> IIsi for opening / repair work. The IIe (not a Mac, but in the "Classic
> Mac" section" was easy to open, but used more screws.
>
>>> Depending on which version of Classic Mac OS you're aiming at, Pascal
>> there is no advantage for pascal, or c for that matter.
>
> I've programmed for System 7 in C. You definitely got the feel that a
> lot of stuff was written for Pascal, eg seeing Pascal style strings
> in places.
Early versions of the Mac OS were written in / for Pascal programming.
>
> I've programmed for System 7 in C. You definitely got the feel that a
> lot of stuff was written for Pascal, eg seeing Pascal style strings
> in places.
MacOS 8 was when C really took over, so if you're planning to write
programs for earlier than that, you're best to use Pascal. Lightspeed /
Think Pascal is my personal favourite programming environment, even
today there's still nothing that comes close to its ease-of-use.
<https://softwareengineering.stackexchange.com/questions/178038/what-language-was-standard-for-apple-development-before-objective-c>
nospam
Nov 11, 2021, 2:18:53 AM11/11/21
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In article <smic3g$d1q$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
pro can be removed entirely.
> There was one Mac Mini model where the base could be turned to get it
> off, but that only allowed limited access. Anything else did require
> unscrewing bits and sliding the motherboard out the back.
several models, actually.
> Many of the Mac Mini models aren't very upgradable, if at all, anyway
> because Apple now tends to solder everything down. :(
nope.
the 2014 mini was the only one with soldered memory, not that it
matters since very few people upgrade after purchase.
the m1 mini has memory on the soc itself, which applies to all m1 macs
and is much faster than what dimms can provide.
>
> Early versions of the Mac OS were written in / for Pascal programming.
it was written in pascal and assembly.
programming could be done using assembly, pascal, c, c++ and in any
combination. basic was also available, along with some less common
languages available, such as scheme.
> MacOS 8 was when C really took over,
nope. it was much, much earlier than that.
in fact, mac native c compilers predated mac native pascal compilers,
including aztec c, consulair c and megamax c, somewhere around late1984
or early 1985.
> so if you're planning to write
> programs for earlier than that, you're best to use Pascal.
nope to that too. see above.
> Lightspeed /
> Think Pascal is my personal favourite programming environment, even
> today there's still nothing that comes close to its ease-of-use.
codewarrior was *significantly* better, and not just its ide, but also
the powerplant framework.
<Your...@YourISP.com> wrote:
>
> Some models of Mac Pro and PowerMac towers require hinging out sections
> to get to other sections, so not as easy as the old LC 'pop the lid and
> you're in'.
nope. the side of the g4 tower flips down and the side of the g5/mac
>
> Some models of Mac Pro and PowerMac towers require hinging out sections
> to get to other sections, so not as easy as the old LC 'pop the lid and
> you're in'.
pro can be removed entirely.
> There was one Mac Mini model where the base could be turned to get it
> off, but that only allowed limited access. Anything else did require
> unscrewing bits and sliding the motherboard out the back.
> Many of the Mac Mini models aren't very upgradable, if at all, anyway
> because Apple now tends to solder everything down. :(
the 2014 mini was the only one with soldered memory, not that it
matters since very few people upgrade after purchase.
the m1 mini has memory on the soc itself, which applies to all m1 macs
and is much faster than what dimms can provide.
>
> Early versions of the Mac OS were written in / for Pascal programming.
programming could be done using assembly, pascal, c, c++ and in any
combination. basic was also available, along with some less common
languages available, such as scheme.
> MacOS 8 was when C really took over,
in fact, mac native c compilers predated mac native pascal compilers,
including aztec c, consulair c and megamax c, somewhere around late1984
or early 1985.
> so if you're planning to write
> programs for earlier than that, you're best to use Pascal.
> Lightspeed /
> Think Pascal is my personal favourite programming environment, even
> today there's still nothing that comes close to its ease-of-use.
the powerplant framework.
philo
Nov 11, 2021, 9:56:42 AM11/11/21
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I had them up in my attic fro 15 years and brought them down recently as
I was given a bunch old old Mac HD's
AFAIK the SE will only recognize a 20, 40 or 80 meg drive.
Out the the many drives I had, I found a total of three that stayed
working after several boot-ups.
One drive was HFS+ but one was the original Mac FS.
Though there are plenty of ways to read an HJFS+ drive from Windows or
Linux, I had to transfer the files from the Mac FS machine to the HFS
machine via floppy.
nospam
Nov 11, 2021, 10:36:34 AM11/11/21
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In article <smjav8$5tq$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, philo <ph...@privacy.net>
wrote:
> I also have some SE's but no networking on them.
yes they very definitely do.
*every* mac ever made has networking and in fact, macs were the first
mainstream computers include it, without any additional hardware.
localtalk is built in. ethernet cards were an optional extra, either
with an internal pds card or via an external adapter or network bridge.
> I had them up in my attic fro 15 years and brought them down recently as
> I was given a bunch old old Mac HD's
>
> AFAIK the SE will only recognize a 20, 40 or 80 meg drive.
very much wrong.
a mac se will recognize up to 2 gigabyte hard drives, and with system
7.5, up to 4 gigabytes.
> Out the the many drives I had, I found a total of three that stayed
> working after several boot-ups.
drives can still work and not be bootable.
> One drive was HFS+ but one was the original Mac FS.
none were the original mac fs, known as mfs. that was for 400k floppies.
you probably mean hfs, which replaced mfs to support the larger
capacity 800k floppies and hard drives, before the mac se was released.
some very, very early hard drives were mfs only because the predated
hfs and were mostly a clusterfuck to use.
hfs+ came much later, with mac os 8.1, which won't work on a mac se.
> Though there are plenty of ways to read an HJFS+ drive from Windows or
> Linux, I had to transfer the files from the Mac FS machine to the HFS
> machine via floppy.
that's what networks are for.
wrote:
> I also have some SE's but no networking on them.
*every* mac ever made has networking and in fact, macs were the first
mainstream computers include it, without any additional hardware.
localtalk is built in. ethernet cards were an optional extra, either
with an internal pds card or via an external adapter or network bridge.
> I had them up in my attic fro 15 years and brought them down recently as
> I was given a bunch old old Mac HD's
>
> AFAIK the SE will only recognize a 20, 40 or 80 meg drive.
a mac se will recognize up to 2 gigabyte hard drives, and with system
7.5, up to 4 gigabytes.
> Out the the many drives I had, I found a total of three that stayed
> working after several boot-ups.
> One drive was HFS+ but one was the original Mac FS.
you probably mean hfs, which replaced mfs to support the larger
capacity 800k floppies and hard drives, before the mac se was released.
some very, very early hard drives were mfs only because the predated
hfs and were mostly a clusterfuck to use.
hfs+ came much later, with mac os 8.1, which won't work on a mac se.
> Though there are plenty of ways to read an HJFS+ drive from Windows or
> Linux, I had to transfer the files from the Mac FS machine to the HFS
> machine via floppy.
David Kennedy
Nov 11, 2021, 11:04:47 AM11/11/21
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On 11/11/2021 15:36, nospam wrote:
> In article <smjav8$5tq$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, philo <ph...@privacy.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I also have some SE's but no networking on them.
>
> yes they very definitely do.
>
> *every* mac ever made has networking and in fact, macs were the first
> mainstream computers include it, without any additional hardware.
>
> localtalk is built in. ethernet cards were an optional extra, either
> with an internal pds card or via an external adapter or network bridge.
>
I'm fairly sure I can remember needing appletalk adaptors when trying to
> In article <smjav8$5tq$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, philo <ph...@privacy.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I also have some SE's but no networking on them.
>
> yes they very definitely do.
>
> *every* mac ever made has networking and in fact, macs were the first
> mainstream computers include it, without any additional hardware.
>
> localtalk is built in. ethernet cards were an optional extra, either
> with an internal pds card or via an external adapter or network bridge.
>
network three Apple Plus machines round about 1987 ish...
Denodster
Nov 11, 2021, 11:13:00 AM11/11/21
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In article <dog_cow-1...@macgui.com>, D Finnigan
<dog...@macgui.com> wrote:
> Denodster wrote:
> >
> > I've recently acquired Inside Macintosh Volumes 1-6 and I've been trying
> > to think up a project I would like to work on. Web development is my day
> > job and I know how to program in C, so I think I could come up with some
> > classic mac apps.
>
> There's no time to lose. Better get started reading others' Macintosh code,
> even if you do nothing else. Check out the MacTutor/MacTech archives. Also
> the Apple Developer CD. Both include lots of sample code.
>
> The MacTutor archives should be online at this URL:
> https://preserve.mactech.com/articles/index.html
>
> I wasn't able to load it just now, so maybe it'll work later. :-/
works for me, thanks for the link.
> Denodster wrote:
> >
> > I've recently acquired Inside Macintosh Volumes 1-6 and I've been trying
> > to think up a project I would like to work on. Web development is my day
> > job and I know how to program in C, so I think I could come up with some
> > classic mac apps.
>
> There's no time to lose. Better get started reading others' Macintosh code,
> even if you do nothing else. Check out the MacTutor/MacTech archives. Also
> the Apple Developer CD. Both include lots of sample code.
>
> The MacTutor archives should be online at this URL:
> https://preserve.mactech.com/articles/index.html
>
> I wasn't able to load it just now, so maybe it'll work later. :-/
nospam
Nov 11, 2021, 11:42:48 AM11/11/21
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In article <z9ydndyDor2DohD8...@brightview.co.uk>, David
those appletalk adapters, more accurately called localtalk adapters,
was all that was needed because networking was built into every mac.
they were simple passive devices that went between the mac and the
localtalk cables, just like an aui adapter did for ethernet (thicknet,
(coax/thinnet/10b-2, 10b-t), token ring, etc.
<https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b7/Apple_LocalTa
lk_box_interior_1.jpg/1024px-Apple_LocalTalk_box_interior_1.jpg>
phonenet was a more popular option because it used ordinary telephone
cord, which meant existing wiring in the walls could be used without
needing to run additional cables, making it a less expensive and far
more convenient option.
i remember carrying phonenet adapters and rj-11 phone cord in my laptop
bag so that i could instantly set up a network with several other users
at any time, anywhere. instant lan parties.
ethernet required either a card in the internal pds slot of the mac se
or an external ethernet adapter that looked a lot like a phonenet
adapter and connected to the existing localtalk port. asante and
farralon made both, as well as others.
there were also ethernet/localtalk bridges to bridge both localtalk and
ethernet. i had a mac ii with several ethernet cards for a fairly
complex network setup.
Kennedy <davidk...@nospamherethankyou.invalid> wrote:
> >> I also have some SE's but no networking on them.
> >
> > yes they very definitely do.
> >
> > *every* mac ever made has networking and in fact, macs were the first
> > mainstream computers include it, without any additional hardware.
> >
> > localtalk is built in. ethernet cards were an optional extra, either
> > with an internal pds card or via an external adapter or network bridge.
> >
> I'm fairly sure I can remember needing appletalk adaptors when trying to
> network three Apple Plus machines round about 1987 ish...
exactly the point.
> >> I also have some SE's but no networking on them.
> >
> > yes they very definitely do.
> >
> > *every* mac ever made has networking and in fact, macs were the first
> > mainstream computers include it, without any additional hardware.
> >
> > localtalk is built in. ethernet cards were an optional extra, either
> > with an internal pds card or via an external adapter or network bridge.
> >
> I'm fairly sure I can remember needing appletalk adaptors when trying to
> network three Apple Plus machines round about 1987 ish...
those appletalk adapters, more accurately called localtalk adapters,
was all that was needed because networking was built into every mac.
they were simple passive devices that went between the mac and the
localtalk cables, just like an aui adapter did for ethernet (thicknet,
(coax/thinnet/10b-2, 10b-t), token ring, etc.
<https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b7/Apple_LocalTa
lk_box_interior_1.jpg/1024px-Apple_LocalTalk_box_interior_1.jpg>
phonenet was a more popular option because it used ordinary telephone
cord, which meant existing wiring in the walls could be used without
needing to run additional cables, making it a less expensive and far
more convenient option.
i remember carrying phonenet adapters and rj-11 phone cord in my laptop
bag so that i could instantly set up a network with several other users
at any time, anywhere. instant lan parties.
ethernet required either a card in the internal pds slot of the mac se
or an external ethernet adapter that looked a lot like a phonenet
adapter and connected to the existing localtalk port. asante and
farralon made both, as well as others.
there were also ethernet/localtalk bridges to bridge both localtalk and
ethernet. i had a mac ii with several ethernet cards for a fairly
complex network setup.
David Kennedy
Nov 11, 2021, 12:09:57 PM11/11/21
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I do recall how bloody useful it was when it came to returning to the office
and simply plugging into everything with the Mac Portable!
Still got it somewhere, wonder if it still works?
Denodster
Nov 11, 2021, 12:19:33 PM11/11/21
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In article <z9ydndyDor2DohD8...@brightview.co.uk>,
I'm posting this using an etherwave adapter, which is a localtalk to
ethernet bridge, I have it plugged into the serial port for the modem. The
device is plug and play but only if you have a MacIP server, because it
won't do DHCP... such a device would work on any mac that can support
appletalk (I believe even the 512k can). I've used it with a classic and
an SE. Pretty sure if want to do TCP/IP with a modern router you need an
ethernet card.
ethernet bridge, I have it plugged into the serial port for the modem. The
device is plug and play but only if you have a MacIP server, because it
won't do DHCP... such a device would work on any mac that can support
appletalk (I believe even the 512k can). I've used it with a classic and
an SE. Pretty sure if want to do TCP/IP with a modern router you need an
ethernet card.
nospam
Nov 11, 2021, 12:20:42 PM11/11/21
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In article <WI6dnfWwq8T-0xD8...@brightview.co.uk>, David
simpler.
> I do recall how bloody useful it was when it came to returning to the office
> and simply plugging into everything with the Mac Portable!
the mac that had the wrong name...
> Still got it somewhere, wonder if it still works?
the battery is almost certainly dead.
it was a lead-acid battery, much like the ones in a modern ups.
the mac portable was designed to run off the battery, even when
connected to mains, which only served to charge the battery, not power
the unit, so a dead battery is going to be a problem.
i'm not sure where you can find a replacement battery, but you can
always connect an external battery, making the non-portable mac even
less portable. be sure to get the correct voltage.
Kennedy <davidk...@nospamherethankyou.invalid> wrote:
> >
> I remember having them; the rest blurs into the mists of time now...
it does, but it's fun to reminisce to a time when things were much
> >
> I remember having them; the rest blurs into the mists of time now...
simpler.
> I do recall how bloody useful it was when it came to returning to the office
> and simply plugging into everything with the Mac Portable!
> Still got it somewhere, wonder if it still works?
it was a lead-acid battery, much like the ones in a modern ups.
the mac portable was designed to run off the battery, even when
connected to mains, which only served to charge the battery, not power
the unit, so a dead battery is going to be a problem.
i'm not sure where you can find a replacement battery, but you can
always connect an external battery, making the non-portable mac even
less portable. be sure to get the correct voltage.
nospam
Nov 11, 2021, 12:27:15 PM11/11/21
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In article <denodster-111...@192.168.2.200>, Denodster
> Pretty sure if want to do TCP/IP with a modern router you need an
> ethernet card.
tcp worked over localtalk. an ethernet card was obviously quite a bit
faster, but it was not needed.
<deno...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm posting this using an etherwave adapter, which is a localtalk to
> ethernet bridge, I have it plugged into the serial port for the modem. The
> device is plug and play but only if you have a MacIP server, because it
> won't do DHCP... such a device would work on any mac that can support
> appletalk (I believe even the 512k can). I've used it with a classic and
> an SE.
bootp should work, or configure a static address.
>
> I'm posting this using an etherwave adapter, which is a localtalk to
> ethernet bridge, I have it plugged into the serial port for the modem. The
> device is plug and play but only if you have a MacIP server, because it
> won't do DHCP... such a device would work on any mac that can support
> appletalk (I believe even the 512k can). I've used it with a classic and
> an SE.
> Pretty sure if want to do TCP/IP with a modern router you need an
> ethernet card.
faster, but it was not needed.
philo
Nov 11, 2021, 7:09:13 PM11/11/21
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On 11/11/21 9:36 AM, nospam wrote:
> In article <smjav8$5tq$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, philo <ph...@privacy.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I also have some SE's but no networking on them.
>
> yes they very definitely do.
>
> *every* mac ever made has networking and in fact, macs were the first
> mainstream computers include it, without any additional hardware.
>
> localtalk is built in. ethernet cards were an optional extra, either
> with an internal pds card or via an external adapter or network bridge.
OS has networking but I have no hardware for it.
> In article <smjav8$5tq$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, philo <ph...@privacy.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I also have some SE's but no networking on them.
>
> yes they very definitely do.
>
> *every* mac ever made has networking and in fact, macs were the first
> mainstream computers include it, without any additional hardware.
>
> localtalk is built in. ethernet cards were an optional extra, either
> with an internal pds card or via an external adapter or network bridge.
>
>> I had them up in my attic fro 15 years and brought them down recently as
>> I was given a bunch old old Mac HD's
>>
>> AFAIK the SE will only recognize a 20, 40 or 80 meg drive.
>
> very much wrong.
>
> a mac se will recognize up to 2 gigabyte hard drives, and with system
> 7.5, up to 4 gigabytes.
>
>> Out the the many drives I had, I found a total of three that stayed
>> working after several boot-ups.
>
> drives can still work and not be bootable.
it would boot from were either 20, 40 0r *)
>
>> One drive was HFS+ but one was the original Mac FS.
>
> none were the original mac fs, known as mfs. that was for 400k floppies.
>
> you probably mean hfs, which replaced mfs to support the larger
> capacity 800k floppies and hard drives, before the mac se was released.
>
> some very, very early hard drives were mfs only because the predated
> hfs and were mostly a clusterfuck to use.
>
> hfs+ came much later, with mac os 8.1, which won't work on a mac se.
>
>>
one SE had a drive that gparted could not identify.
I assume it must have been MFS (FWIF, it's 20 meg)
I guess I've got a real collector's item
philo
Nov 11, 2021, 7:10:22 PM11/11/21
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nospam
Nov 11, 2021, 8:00:19 PM11/11/21
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In article <smkbdd$1pae$2...@gioia.aioe.org>, philo <ph...@privacy.net>
wrote:
>
<https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bd/Asante-aaui.jpg>
<https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dc/Apple_AAUI_tr
ansceiver_and_cable.jpg/1024px-Apple_AAUI_transceiver_and_cable.jpg>
quadras were the first macs to have onboard ethernet, with choice of
cabling via an apple aui adapter.
at some point, the industry and apple went 10base-t.
there are other options for the se, but if you don't have any, it's
moot.
wrote:
>
> I have an adapter that will work with my Quadra but nothing for the SE
sounds like an aaui adapter:
<https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bd/Asante-aaui.jpg>
<https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dc/Apple_AAUI_tr
ansceiver_and_cable.jpg/1024px-Apple_AAUI_transceiver_and_cable.jpg>
quadras were the first macs to have onboard ethernet, with choice of
cabling via an apple aui adapter.
at some point, the industry and apple went 10base-t.
there are other options for the se, but if you don't have any, it's
moot.
nospam
Nov 11, 2021, 8:00:20 PM11/11/21
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In article <smkbb5$1pae$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, philo <ph...@privacy.net>
wrote:
> >
> >> One drive was HFS+ but one was the original Mac FS.
> >
> > none were the original mac fs, known as mfs. that was for 400k floppies.
> >
> > you probably mean hfs, which replaced mfs to support the larger
> > capacity 800k floppies and hard drives, before the mac se was released.
> >
> > some very, very early hard drives were mfs only because the predated
> > hfs and were mostly a clusterfuck to use.
> >
> > hfs+ came much later, with mac os 8.1, which won't work on a mac se.
> >
> >>
>
>
> gparted (on my linux machine) could recognize HFS /HFS+ drives but the
> one SE had a drive that gparted could not identify.
is it readable on the mac? if not, it could be corrupted.
> I assume it must have been MFS (FWIF, it's 20 meg)
it is not mfs.
mfs, aka macintosh file system, was a flat file system, which wasn't an
issue with 400k floppy disks because they were too small to hold very
many files for it to be a major limitation. mac os at that time could
create folders, but they were just an illusion.
mfs was very short-lived and soon replaced in late 1985 with hfs, aka
hierarchical file system, with the 800k floppy disk and the apple 20
megabyte hard drive. hfs was a true hierarchical file system, thus its
name.
formatting 400k floppies defaulted to mfs.
formatting 800k floppies & hard drives (apple or third party) was hfs.
it was possible to override that and format an 800k floppy as mfs or a
400k as hfs, but there was no reason to do so, other than testing
purposes.
hard drives were always hfs, until 1998 when hfs+ was introduced.
> I guess I've got a real collector's item
unless it's a clear case, no.
<https://technabob.com/blog/2010/12/03/rare-transparent-macintosh-se/>
From what I can tell, only about 10 of these machines were ever
made, and they lived within the walls of Apple. Now, if youšve got
deep enough pockets, you could be the proud owner of one of
these extreme rarities. Apparently, these machines were built for
the Macintosh R&D team at Apple to verify the placement of internal
components, and never were intended for production.
This particular see-through Mac SE is being offered over on eBay with
a starting bid of a whopping $25,000 (USD). For that price, you could
buy a pretty nice car. Or 50 iPads. And this transparent Macintosh
doesnšt even boot up properly. The guy selling it says itšll boot off
of the 800k floppy drive only. And being such a rarity, Išd doubt
that cracking it open and fixing the hard drive would be good for
its resale value.
wrote:
> >
> >> One drive was HFS+ but one was the original Mac FS.
> >
> > none were the original mac fs, known as mfs. that was for 400k floppies.
> >
> > you probably mean hfs, which replaced mfs to support the larger
> > capacity 800k floppies and hard drives, before the mac se was released.
> >
> > some very, very early hard drives were mfs only because the predated
> > hfs and were mostly a clusterfuck to use.
> >
> > hfs+ came much later, with mac os 8.1, which won't work on a mac se.
> >
> >>
>
>
> gparted (on my linux machine) could recognize HFS /HFS+ drives but the
> one SE had a drive that gparted could not identify.
> I assume it must have been MFS (FWIF, it's 20 meg)
mfs, aka macintosh file system, was a flat file system, which wasn't an
issue with 400k floppy disks because they were too small to hold very
many files for it to be a major limitation. mac os at that time could
create folders, but they were just an illusion.
mfs was very short-lived and soon replaced in late 1985 with hfs, aka
hierarchical file system, with the 800k floppy disk and the apple 20
megabyte hard drive. hfs was a true hierarchical file system, thus its
name.
formatting 400k floppies defaulted to mfs.
formatting 800k floppies & hard drives (apple or third party) was hfs.
it was possible to override that and format an 800k floppy as mfs or a
400k as hfs, but there was no reason to do so, other than testing
purposes.
hard drives were always hfs, until 1998 when hfs+ was introduced.
> I guess I've got a real collector's item
<https://technabob.com/blog/2010/12/03/rare-transparent-macintosh-se/>
From what I can tell, only about 10 of these machines were ever
made, and they lived within the walls of Apple. Now, if youšve got
deep enough pockets, you could be the proud owner of one of
these extreme rarities. Apparently, these machines were built for
the Macintosh R&D team at Apple to verify the placement of internal
components, and never were intended for production.
This particular see-through Mac SE is being offered over on eBay with
a starting bid of a whopping $25,000 (USD). For that price, you could
buy a pretty nice car. Or 50 iPads. And this transparent Macintosh
doesnšt even boot up properly. The guy selling it says itšll boot off
of the 800k floppy drive only. And being such a rarity, Išd doubt
that cracking it open and fixing the hard drive would be good for
its resale value.
David Kennedy
Nov 12, 2021, 6:45:58 AM11/12/21
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On 11/11/2021 17:20, nospam wrote:
> In article <WI6dnfWwq8T-0xD8...@brightview.co.uk>, David
> Kennedy <davidk...@nospamherethankyou.invalid> wrote:
>
>>>
>> I remember having them; the rest blurs into the mists of time now...
>
> it does, but it's fun to reminisce to a time when things were much
> simpler.
>
And a 20Meg HD was the business...
> In article <WI6dnfWwq8T-0xD8...@brightview.co.uk>, David
> Kennedy <davidk...@nospamherethankyou.invalid> wrote:
>
>>>
>> I remember having them; the rest blurs into the mists of time now...
>
> it does, but it's fun to reminisce to a time when things were much
> simpler.
>
>> I do recall how bloody useful it was when it came to returning to the office
>> and simply plugging into everything with the Mac Portable!
>
> the mac that had the wrong name...
>
>> Still got it somewhere, wonder if it still works?
>
> the battery is almost certainly dead.
>
> it was a lead-acid battery, much like the ones in a modern ups.
>
> the mac portable was designed to run off the battery, even when
> connected to mains, which only served to charge the battery, not power
> the unit, so a dead battery is going to be a problem.
>
> i'm not sure where you can find a replacement battery, but you can
> always connect an external battery, making the non-portable mac even
> less portable. be sure to get the correct voltage.
>
Scott Alfter
Nov 12, 2021, 5:18:43 PM11/12/21
to
CS to bridge an Apple IIGS and a Color Classic to Linux servers running
netatalk. I think I even had them talking to a G4 Mac mini when the Mac was
running Tiger. Other LocalTalk-to-Ethernet bridges might work, but the
trick with getting older hardware talking to newer hardware is EtherTalk
support. Linux still supports EtherTalk if you have the right kernel
modules compiled, but IIRC Mac OS X dropped EtherTalk support after 10.4.
_/_
/ v \ Scott Alfter (remove the obvious to send mail)
(IIGS( https://alfter.us/ Top-posting!
\_^_/ >What's the most annoying thing on Usenet?
nospam
Nov 12, 2021, 5:46:17 PM11/12/21
to
In article <5LBjJ.49931$SR4....@fx43.iad>, Scott Alfter
<sc...@alfter.diespammersdie.us> wrote:
> I don't know how easy they are to find now, but I've used a Cayman GatorBox
> CS to bridge an Apple IIGS and a Color Classic to Linux servers running
> netatalk. I think I even had them talking to a G4 Mac mini when the Mac was
> running Tiger. Other LocalTalk-to-Ethernet bridges might work, but the
> trick with getting older hardware talking to newer hardware is EtherTalk
> support. Linux still supports EtherTalk if you have the right kernel
> modules compiled, but IIRC Mac OS X dropped EtherTalk support after 10.4.
or just use a vintage mac. :)
> I don't know how easy they are to find now, but I've used a Cayman GatorBox
> CS to bridge an Apple IIGS and a Color Classic to Linux servers running
> netatalk. I think I even had them talking to a G4 Mac mini when the Mac was
> running Tiger. Other LocalTalk-to-Ethernet bridges might work, but the
> trick with getting older hardware talking to newer hardware is EtherTalk
> support. Linux still supports EtherTalk if you have the right kernel
> modules compiled, but IIRC Mac OS X dropped EtherTalk support after 10.4.
philo
Nov 12, 2021, 9:27:02 PM11/12/21
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On 11/11/21 7:00 PM, nospam wrote:
> In article <smkbb5$1pae$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, philo <ph...@privacy.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>>>
>>>> One drive was HFS+ but one was the original Mac FS.
>>>
>>> none were the original mac fs, known as mfs. that was for 400k floppies.
>>>
>>> you probably mean hfs, which replaced mfs to support the larger
>>> capacity 800k floppies and hard drives, before the mac se was released.
>>>
>>> some very, very early hard drives were mfs only because the predated
>>> hfs and were mostly a clusterfuck to use.
>>>
>>> hfs+ came much later, with mac os 8.1, which won't work on a mac se.
>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>> gparted (on my linux machine) could recognize HFS /HFS+ drives but the
>> one SE had a drive that gparted could not identify.
>
> is it readable on the mac? if not, it could be corrupted.
>
>> I assume it must have been MFS (FWIF, it's 20 meg)
>
> it is not mfs.
To correct my typo in a previous post of mine, the only drives I had
> In article <smkbb5$1pae$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, philo <ph...@privacy.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>>>
>>>> One drive was HFS+ but one was the original Mac FS.
>>>
>>> none were the original mac fs, known as mfs. that was for 400k floppies.
>>>
>>> you probably mean hfs, which replaced mfs to support the larger
>>> capacity 800k floppies and hard drives, before the mac se was released.
>>>
>>> some very, very early hard drives were mfs only because the predated
>>> hfs and were mostly a clusterfuck to use.
>>>
>>> hfs+ came much later, with mac os 8.1, which won't work on a mac se.
>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>> gparted (on my linux machine) could recognize HFS /HFS+ drives but the
>> one SE had a drive that gparted could not identify.
>
> is it readable on the mac? if not, it could be corrupted.
>
>> I assume it must have been MFS (FWIF, it's 20 meg)
>
> it is not mfs.
that would boot on the SE's were 20 meg 40 meg or 80 meg
Both of the SE's I have work fine and I am using drives that have OS-7.1
or OS 7.5
I can read most of the drives on my Linux machine using gparted and all
but one are identified as HFS or HFS+
One drive however is not recognized by gparted nor is it recognized on
my Windows machine with various utilities for reading Mac drives.
Since it is evidently not an HFS or an HFS+ drive I surmised that it was
MFS>
If you say it is not MFS...my question however is what file system is on it?
Ergo:
I surmised the drive was MFS as it was NOT HFS or HFS+
MFS supports hard drives up to 20 megs.
The drive was 20 megs.
(all other drives were 40 meg or 80 megs)
MFS support was removed with OS7.6.1
All the machines were OS 7.1 or 7.5
>snip,
Denodster
Nov 12, 2021, 11:09:27 PM11/12/21
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In article <smn7pg$1qht$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, philo <ph...@privacy.net> wrote:
snip
>
> One drive however is not recognized by gparted nor is it recognized on
> my Windows machine with various utilities for reading Mac drives.
>
> Since it is evidently not an HFS or an HFS+ drive I surmised that it was
> MFS>
>
> If you say it is not MFS...my question however is what file system is on it?
>
did ever have a machine set up to run apple unix? I believe that had it's
own filesystem.
snip
>
> One drive however is not recognized by gparted nor is it recognized on
> my Windows machine with various utilities for reading Mac drives.
>
> Since it is evidently not an HFS or an HFS+ drive I surmised that it was
> MFS>
>
> If you say it is not MFS...my question however is what file system is on it?
>
own filesystem.
philo
Nov 13, 2021, 12:48:46 AM11/13/21
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On 11/12/21 22:09, Denodster wrote:
> In article <smn7pg$1qht$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, philo <ph...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> snip
>
>>
>> One drive however is not recognized by gparted nor is it recognized on
>> my Windows machine with various utilities for reading Mac drives.
>>
>> Since it is evidently not an HFS or an HFS+ drive I surmised that it was
>> MFS>
>>
>> If you say it is not MFS...my question however is what file system is on it?
>>
>
> did ever have a machine set up to run apple unix? I believe that had it's
> own filesystem.
>
>>
The machine was not running apple unix
> In article <smn7pg$1qht$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, philo <ph...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> snip
>
>>
>> One drive however is not recognized by gparted nor is it recognized on
>> my Windows machine with various utilities for reading Mac drives.
>>
>> Since it is evidently not an HFS or an HFS+ drive I surmised that it was
>> MFS>
>>
>> If you say it is not MFS...my question however is what file system is on it?
>>
>
> did ever have a machine set up to run apple unix? I believe that had it's
> own filesystem.
>
>>
BTW: After having been using Linux for over 20 years, I did get to try
some real Unix.
Had to do a data recovery from an SCO server.
That was sure fun!
nospam
Nov 13, 2021, 12:43:42 PM11/13/21
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> To correct my typo in a previous post of mine, the only drives I had
> that would boot on the SE's were 20 meg 40 meg or 80 meg
that's because those were common capacities when the se was released.
> that would boot on the SE's were 20 meg 40 meg or 80 meg
the se, as well as other macs of that era, supported up to 2 gig hard
drives, unless it's running 7.5, where the maximum was 4 gig.
> Since it is evidently not an HFS or an HFS+ drive I surmised that it was
> MFS>
mfs was not suitable for hard drives for several reasons, mainly that
it was a flat file system, did not scale well and that hfs was better
in every way.
> If you say it is not MFS...my question however is what file system is on it?
if it's an external drive, it could have been used with a different
computer platform and be another format, but then it wouldn't be usable
with the mac, at least not easily.
if you have a disk utility with the ability to read raw disk blocks,
post the first 64 bytes of the first 4 blocks (0..3). they're 512 byte
blocks, but only the beginning of each one is of interest.
> MFS supports hard drives up to 20 megs.
mfs was *not* used for hard drives (with one exception, see below).
mfs was designed for and used for floppies, specifically, the 400k
floppy in the original 128k and 512k macs.
mfs was replaced with hfs in late 1985, roughly 1.5 years after the mac
was first introduced, when apple released their 20 mb hard drive and
800k floppy drive.
mac hard drives were always hfs, up until 1998, when hfs was replaced
by hfs+ in macos 8.1, which could not run at all on a mac se.
the sole exception were a couple of third party hard drives in 1984-85,
designed for the original mac 128k/512k, before hfs existed. they used
a 5.25" mechanism, were 5-10 meg in capacity. they were also large,
noisy, and very, very slow due to mfs, shitty drivers and a slow
hardware interface. floppy disks were faster (seriously).
those drives were not compatible with a mac se, so it's not your
situation.
the only good thing was a truly massive power supply (5a, maybe more, i
don't remember) that could be used for all sorts of other projects,
long after the drive was useless.
the entire left side of the enclosure was the power supply:
<http://www.peterjsucy.com/History/1985/EarlyHardDrive.jpg>
> The drive was 20 megs.
> (all other drives were 40 meg or 80 megs)
> MFS support was removed with OS7.6.1
mfs became read-only in system 7.6.1, with all support removed in macos
8.
<https://web.archive.org/web/20071012140146/http://docs.info.apple.com/a
rticle.html?artnum=9502>
> All the machines were OS 7.1 or 7.5
nospam
Nov 13, 2021, 12:43:43 PM11/13/21
to
In article <denodster-121...@192.168.2.200>, Denodster
<deno...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> did ever have a machine set up to run apple unix? I believe that had it's
> own filesystem.
it did, however, a/ux was not supported on a mac se.
>
> did ever have a machine set up to run apple unix? I believe that had it's
> own filesystem.
philo
Nov 13, 2021, 6:50:28 PM11/13/21
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If the drive is HFS , why does Gparted and all the Mac reading Windows utilities say the partition type is unknown?
The drive is working.
The drive is working.
nospam
Nov 13, 2021, 7:25:52 PM11/13/21
to
In article <37cdbba28f957500...@news.novabbs.com>, philo
is it readable on a mac??
if not, it's most likely directory corruption. it could also be
unformatted. it's *not* mfs.
post the first 64 bytes of the first four blocks.
<ph...@news.novabbs.com> wrote:
> If the drive is HFS , why does Gparted and all the Mac reading Windows
> utilities say the partition type is unknown?
without seeing it, i can only guess.
> If the drive is HFS , why does Gparted and all the Mac reading Windows
> utilities say the partition type is unknown?
is it readable on a mac??
if not, it's most likely directory corruption. it could also be
unformatted. it's *not* mfs.
post the first 64 bytes of the first four blocks.
Eli the Bearded
Nov 14, 2021, 7:27:11 PM11/14/21
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In comp.sys.mac.vintage, nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> Denodster <deno...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> did ever have a machine set up to run apple unix? I believe that had it's
>> own filesystem.
It was not the usual HFS filesystem, but I'm pretty sure it was a
>> did ever have a machine set up to run apple unix? I believe that had it's
>> own filesystem.
fairly standard (for the day) Unix "UFS" filesystem.
> it did, however, a/ux was not supported on a mac se.
coprocessor or a 68040. The list of supported devices is here:
https://archive.org/details/bitsavers_applemacaulationGuide1992_3096342/page/n13/mode/2up
Although you have to know that at the time that was written, there were
only two Quadra models (700 and 900). A/UX 2.x did not work on the
Quadras. A/UX 1.x I think only ran on the II / IIfx.
I've run A/UX on IIsi and IIci, and I still have an image of my A/UX
hard disk.
When I tried to mount the disk on Linux, the "mount" command succeeded,
but the files were not readable. I suspect more "Linux support for the
filesystem has issues" than "filesystem was odd" issues.
mount -t ufs -o ro,ufstype=old /dev/sda3 /mnt/mo
Looks good in syslog:
Feb 7 16:19:19 miniq kernel: ufs_read_super: fs is active
But then, trying to copy files I got a slew of filesystem errors in syslog
(lines wrapped, first few errors only):
Feb 7 16:20:42 miniq kernel: UFS-fs error (device 08:03):
ufs_readdir: bad entry in directory #3635, size 42949673472: reclen %%
4 != 0 - offset=512, inode=611254264, reclen=9838, namlen=65532
Feb 7 16:20:44 miniq kernel: UFS-fs error (device 08:03):
ufs_readdir: bad entry in directory #3644, size 25769804288: reclen %%
4 != 0 - offset=512, inode=1314258944, reclen=12078, namlen=16
Feb 7 16:20:46 miniq kernel: UFS-fs error (device 08:03):
ufs_readdir: bad entry in directory #3650, size 47244640768: reclen %%
4 != 0 - offset=512, inode=1069135, reclen=22607, namlen=24632
Feb 7 16:21:04 miniq kernel: UFS-fs error (device 08:03):
ufs_readdir: bad entry in directory #8971, size 38654706176: reclen %%
4 != 0 - offset=512, inode=1853126944, reclen=28518, namlen=2637
Elijah
------
archive.org search does not like "a/ux" (use "a ux" with quotes)
philo
Nov 14, 2021, 7:44:33 PM11/14/21
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I just pulled the machine back out of storage and booted it up.
It was not running OS-7 it's running OS 6.0.4
What I did not know was that there were two versions of HFS prior to HFS+
This evidently is the first version which supports up to 2 gig drives.
The 2nd version starting with OS 7.5 (I believe) supports 4 Gig drives.
What I have therefore surmised is that the Linux and Windows Mac-reading
utilities must simply not recognize early HFS.
The drive is not corrupted because I just now ran a diagnostic and it
checked OK
nospam
Nov 14, 2021, 9:02:31 PM11/14/21
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In article <smsah6$rnh$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, philo <ph...@privacy.net>
wrote:
> I think I have it figured out, and you are right, it has to be HFS.
yep.
> I just pulled the machine back out of storage and booted it up.
>
> It was not running OS-7 it's running OS 6.0.4
that's not surprising for a mac se.
the mac se originally shipped with system 4.0 and supports up to 7.5.5.
> What I did not know was that there were two versions of HFS prior to HFS+
there is only one version of hfs.
> This evidently is the first version which supports up to 2 gig drives.
> The 2nd version starting with OS 7.5 (I believe) supports 4 Gig drives.
hfs supports up to 2 terabyte drives.
the 2 gig limitation was mac os through 7.1.
system 7.5 added support for 4 gb.
the limit was increased to 2 tb for macs that originally shipped with
system 7.5.2 (or later) or has pci slots. the mac se is neither.
> What I have therefore surmised is that the Linux and Windows Mac-reading
> utilities must simply not recognize early HFS.
there is no 'early hfs'.
hfs was replaced with hfs+ in 1998, but that's a different (although
similar) file system.
> The drive is not corrupted because I just now ran a diagnostic and it
> checked OK
what diagnostic did you use?
the only one that will reliably find and repair directory corruption is
alsoft diskwarrior.
wrote:
> I think I have it figured out, and you are right, it has to be HFS.
> I just pulled the machine back out of storage and booted it up.
>
> It was not running OS-7 it's running OS 6.0.4
the mac se originally shipped with system 4.0 and supports up to 7.5.5.
> What I did not know was that there were two versions of HFS prior to HFS+
> This evidently is the first version which supports up to 2 gig drives.
> The 2nd version starting with OS 7.5 (I believe) supports 4 Gig drives.
the 2 gig limitation was mac os through 7.1.
system 7.5 added support for 4 gb.
the limit was increased to 2 tb for macs that originally shipped with
system 7.5.2 (or later) or has pci slots. the mac se is neither.
> What I have therefore surmised is that the Linux and Windows Mac-reading
> utilities must simply not recognize early HFS.
hfs was replaced with hfs+ in 1998, but that's a different (although
similar) file system.
> The drive is not corrupted because I just now ran a diagnostic and it
> checked OK
the only one that will reliably find and repair directory corruption is
alsoft diskwarrior.
philo
Nov 15, 2021, 12:38:21 AM11/15/21
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You need to read Apple's knowledge base.
It clearly states that HFS was modified once and semi-clearly states twice. HFS+ first came out with OS8
It clearly states that HFS was modified once and semi-clearly states twice. HFS+ first came out with OS8
nospam
Nov 15, 2021, 5:58:53 AM11/15/21
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In article <362bb29106bc0803...@news.novabbs.com>, philo
you need to stop trying to tell me about mac os (or apple in general).
i've been writing mac software since 1984, moving to ios about 12 years
ago.
> It clearly states that HFS was modified once and semi-clearly states twice.
citation required.
there were minor changes to hfs+, not hfs.
> HFS+ first came out with OS8
nope. hfs+ appeared with mac os 8.1.
you might want to re-read whatever it is you supposedly read.
you need to stop trying to tell me about mac os (or apple in general).
i've been writing mac software since 1984, moving to ios about 12 years
ago.
> It clearly states that HFS was modified once and semi-clearly states twice.
there were minor changes to hfs+, not hfs.
> HFS+ first came out with OS8
you might want to re-read whatever it is you supposedly read.
philo
Nov 15, 2021, 7:53:13 AM11/15/21
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Since you do not how to search the Apple knowledge base, I will no longer be reading your replies.
Though you ended up wrong again as usual, I did at least learn somethig about MFS.
Though you ended up wrong again as usual, I did at least learn somethig about MFS.
nospam
Nov 15, 2021, 8:05:15 AM11/15/21
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In article <4127633d81a5b92b...@news.novabbs.com>, philo
post the kb article that states there was more than one version of hfs
or admit you're wrong.
> Though you ended up wrong again as usual,
nope. it's *you* who has consistently been wrong, including this.
> I did at least learn somethig about
> MFS.
only because i explained it to you.
<ph...@news.novabbs.com> wrote:
> Since you do not how to search the Apple knowledge base, I will no longer be
> reading your replies.
as expected, you can't back up your claims and resort to attacks.
> Since you do not how to search the Apple knowledge base, I will no longer be
> reading your replies.
post the kb article that states there was more than one version of hfs
or admit you're wrong.
> Though you ended up wrong again as usual,
> I did at least learn somethig about
> MFS.
Scott Alfter
Nov 15, 2021, 1:03:43 PM11/15/21
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In article <121120211746166994%nos...@nospam.invalid>,
I have a Quadra 610 that could take the GatorBox's place, but it takes more
space. :)
...or if you're referring to hardware and not software, the reason for
connecting to the Linux box and not an old Mac is that most of my files live
there. At one point, I was using cc65 to cross-compile software that the
IIGS could then copy over and run...not a bad way at all to do that, as you
can take advantage of modern editors, version control, etc.
space. :)
...or if you're referring to hardware and not software, the reason for
connecting to the Linux box and not an old Mac is that most of my files live
there. At one point, I was using cc65 to cross-compile software that the
IIGS could then copy over and run...not a bad way at all to do that, as you
can take advantage of modern editors, version control, etc.
Heiko Recktenwald
Jun 10, 2023, 6:28:41 PM6/10/23
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Am 11.11.21 um 18:27 schrieb nospam:
>> Pretty sure if want to do TCP/IP with a modern router you need an
>> ethernet card.
>
> tcp worked over localtalk. an ethernet card was obviously quite a bit
> faster, but it was not needed.
But dont forget SLIP. Without any adapter. All you needed was a serial
cable to a second computer with WIFI or whatever to the internet.
>> Pretty sure if want to do TCP/IP with a modern router you need an
>> ethernet card.
>
> tcp worked over localtalk. an ethernet card was obviously quite a bit
> faster, but it was not needed.
cable to a second computer with WIFI or whatever to the internet.
p...@pocnet.net
Jun 10, 2023, 8:15:16 PM6/10/23
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SLIP implementation running on System 7.
To use IP over LocalTalk you need additional software to tunnel IP in
AppleTalk packets. Personally, I'm using older Cisco Routers for that purpose.
There never have been LocalTalk interfaces for those, though.
To connect LocalTalk and Ethernet network segments, you need either a Mac with
both ports, or a hardware bridge. Unfortunately, those are becoming rare.
--
:wq! PoC
sc...@alfter.diespammersdie.us
Jun 16, 2023, 12:18:20 PM6/16/23
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p...@pocnet.net wrote:
> To connect LocalTalk and Ethernet network segments, you need either a Mac with
> both ports, or a hardware bridge. Unfortunately, those are becoming rare.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> To connect LocalTalk and Ethernet network segments, you need either a Mac with
> both ports, or a hardware bridge. Unfortunately, those are becoming rare.
I have a Cayman GatorBox CS in storage that does that. I used it mainly to
connect an Apple IIGS to a Netatalk server running on a Linux box, but I
think I might've gotten some sort of IP connectivity on a Quadra 610 or
Color Classic with it as well.
--
Sebastian P.
Sep 28, 2023, 7:28:44 AM9/28/23
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In article <sm502u$nbh$2...@dont-email.me>,
deno...@gmail.com (denodster) wrote:
> Posting on my LC 475 running Internews. This is my first time on Usenet
> and I'm thrilled to find this group. Running system 7.6.1 and MacIP via
> an old cisco router. It's been a fun project and I'm thrilled to get to
> use it like this.
>
> What kind of hardware are you all running? and how did you get it
> online?
I'm using MT-Newswatcher 2.4.4 on my Mac IIci. As far as I know, it's
the last version for 68k Macintoshes. It works really nice! The IIci
sports 32 MB RAM (who'd ever need that much RAM anyway, right?)
Recently invested into a PiSCSI (RaSCSI) add-on that provides my IIci
with an internet connection and a virtual CD drive by sacrificing an old
Raspberry Pi I had left.
I'm really excited how well the IIci and Usenet communicate together.
Feels natural.
deno...@gmail.com (denodster) wrote:
> Posting on my LC 475 running Internews. This is my first time on Usenet
> and I'm thrilled to find this group. Running system 7.6.1 and MacIP via
> an old cisco router. It's been a fun project and I'm thrilled to get to
> use it like this.
>
> What kind of hardware are you all running? and how did you get it
> online?
I'm using MT-Newswatcher 2.4.4 on my Mac IIci. As far as I know, it's
the last version for 68k Macintoshes. It works really nice! The IIci
sports 32 MB RAM (who'd ever need that much RAM anyway, right?)
Recently invested into a PiSCSI (RaSCSI) add-on that provides my IIci
with an internet connection and a virtual CD drive by sacrificing an old
Raspberry Pi I had left.
I'm really excited how well the IIci and Usenet communicate together.
Feels natural.
Liz Tuddenham
Sep 28, 2023, 5:26:25 PM9/28/23
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user-friendly that I can't think of any improvements it needs.
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Denodster
Dec 16, 2023, 10:39:38 PM12/16/23
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In article <info-ACF699.1...@nntp-new.eternal-september.org>,
You're right, Newswatcher is a much better experience, using that now.
I connect using a Farallon Etherwave serial to ethernet appletalk bridge.
It's a pretty nifty peice of hardware. Saves my PDS Slot for other
nonsense like a IIe card.
I connect using a Farallon Etherwave serial to ethernet appletalk bridge.
It's a pretty nifty peice of hardware. Saves my PDS Slot for other
nonsense like a IIe card.
Denodster
Dec 16, 2023, 10:47:10 PM12/16/23
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my Farallon Etherwave serial to ethernet adapter. Saves my PDS slot for
other uses.
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