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Stephen Thomas Cole
Mar 21, 2015, 5:41:15 AM3/21/15
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Hello. I'd like to capture as video files, with audio, what I'm doing on
one of my vintage machines (spec: OS9, PowerMac 9600, 400Mhz G3, 1GB RAM),
does anyone have any insight on achieving this?
I tried CameraMan 3.0 but the resulting video was very choppy, only seemed
to capture a couple of frames a second, which is no good, I want seamless
playback! Am I doing something wrong or is that not possible with software?
My screen resolution is high, can't remember exactly what but maybe 1960 by
1080 or something. I haven't thought to try a lower screen resolution until
just this second, so I'll do that later.
I do have a Media100 PCI board and breakout box, acquired some time ago on
a whim and not used by me, yet. Might this hardware be a better option? Can
I hook this card up to the same PowerMac I want to record and output the
video from the graphics card's S-Video to the breakout box and capture it?
What about audio? I have an M-Audio Revolution sound card kicking around,
is that Mac compatible? Can I output the Mac's audio from it to the
Media100? I have a Medea SCSI tower with 4 drives in it with 250GB storage
so not concerned about running out of hard drive space capturing high
quality and long (maybe 10 to 15 minute) videos.
Any advice gratefully received, I'm working blind here, have absolutely
zero experience or knowledge of video production on this era of Macintosh!
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STC // M0TEY // twitter.com/ukradioamateur
one of my vintage machines (spec: OS9, PowerMac 9600, 400Mhz G3, 1GB RAM),
does anyone have any insight on achieving this?
I tried CameraMan 3.0 but the resulting video was very choppy, only seemed
to capture a couple of frames a second, which is no good, I want seamless
playback! Am I doing something wrong or is that not possible with software?
My screen resolution is high, can't remember exactly what but maybe 1960 by
1080 or something. I haven't thought to try a lower screen resolution until
just this second, so I'll do that later.
I do have a Media100 PCI board and breakout box, acquired some time ago on
a whim and not used by me, yet. Might this hardware be a better option? Can
I hook this card up to the same PowerMac I want to record and output the
video from the graphics card's S-Video to the breakout box and capture it?
What about audio? I have an M-Audio Revolution sound card kicking around,
is that Mac compatible? Can I output the Mac's audio from it to the
Media100? I have a Medea SCSI tower with 4 drives in it with 250GB storage
so not concerned about running out of hard drive space capturing high
quality and long (maybe 10 to 15 minute) videos.
Any advice gratefully received, I'm working blind here, have absolutely
zero experience or knowledge of video production on this era of Macintosh!
--
STC // M0TEY // twitter.com/ukradioamateur
Your Name
Mar 22, 2015, 12:52:27 AM3/22/15
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In article <mejea9$ga5$1...@dont-email.me>, Stephen Thomas Cole
want to use the actual old computer), especially if you want to record
things like commercial games. Plug the output through to a
DVD-recorder or old VHS recorder, then re-capture that video back into
the computer.
If you haven't got something that outputs both video and sound at the
same time, then you could potentially record each separately (using the
Macs headphone socket) ... but trying to realign the video and audio
later would be cumbersome.
The quick 'n' dirty approach would be to set-up a video camera pointing
at the screen, although you'd likely need some extra hardware for
timing issues (otherwise you'll get the awful looking redraw scanline
problem).
The easiest approach is likely to run OS9 on a newer computer under
emulation, and have a screen capture utility save the emulator's window
to a video file.
> Any advice gratefully received, I'm working blind here, have absolutely
> zero experience or knowledge of video production on this era of Macintosh!
The best approach would be to edit the video on a newer / faster
computer. On the old PowerMac you can use Avid VideoShop or maybe an
old version of Adobe Premiere, possibly even an old version of iMovie
if you've got OS X installed as well.
<use...@stephenthomascole.com> wrote:
> Hello. I'd like to capture as video files, with audio, what I'm doing on
> one of my vintage machines (spec: OS9, PowerMac 9600, 400Mhz G3, 1GB RAM),
> does anyone have any insight on achieving this?
>
> I tried CameraMan 3.0 but the resulting video was very choppy, only seemed
> to capture a couple of frames a second, which is no good, I want seamless
> playback! Am I doing something wrong or is that not possible with software?
> My screen resolution is high, can't remember exactly what but maybe 1960 by
> 1080 or something. I haven't thought to try a lower screen resolution until
> just this second, so I'll do that later.
>
> I do have a Media100 PCI board and breakout box, acquired some time ago on
> a whim and not used by me, yet. Might this hardware be a better option? Can
> I hook this card up to the same PowerMac I want to record and output the
> video from the graphics card's S-Video to the breakout box and capture it?
> What about audio? I have an M-Audio Revolution sound card kicking around,
> is that Mac compatible? Can I output the Mac's audio from it to the
> Media100? I have a Medea SCSI tower with 4 drives in it with 250GB storage
> so not concerned about running out of hard drive space capturing high
> quality and long (maybe 10 to 15 minute) videos.
An external / hardware solution is probably the best option (if you
> Hello. I'd like to capture as video files, with audio, what I'm doing on
> one of my vintage machines (spec: OS9, PowerMac 9600, 400Mhz G3, 1GB RAM),
> does anyone have any insight on achieving this?
>
> I tried CameraMan 3.0 but the resulting video was very choppy, only seemed
> to capture a couple of frames a second, which is no good, I want seamless
> playback! Am I doing something wrong or is that not possible with software?
> My screen resolution is high, can't remember exactly what but maybe 1960 by
> 1080 or something. I haven't thought to try a lower screen resolution until
> just this second, so I'll do that later.
>
> I do have a Media100 PCI board and breakout box, acquired some time ago on
> a whim and not used by me, yet. Might this hardware be a better option? Can
> I hook this card up to the same PowerMac I want to record and output the
> video from the graphics card's S-Video to the breakout box and capture it?
> What about audio? I have an M-Audio Revolution sound card kicking around,
> is that Mac compatible? Can I output the Mac's audio from it to the
> Media100? I have a Medea SCSI tower with 4 drives in it with 250GB storage
> so not concerned about running out of hard drive space capturing high
> quality and long (maybe 10 to 15 minute) videos.
want to use the actual old computer), especially if you want to record
things like commercial games. Plug the output through to a
DVD-recorder or old VHS recorder, then re-capture that video back into
the computer.
If you haven't got something that outputs both video and sound at the
same time, then you could potentially record each separately (using the
Macs headphone socket) ... but trying to realign the video and audio
later would be cumbersome.
The quick 'n' dirty approach would be to set-up a video camera pointing
at the screen, although you'd likely need some extra hardware for
timing issues (otherwise you'll get the awful looking redraw scanline
problem).
The easiest approach is likely to run OS9 on a newer computer under
emulation, and have a screen capture utility save the emulator's window
to a video file.
> Any advice gratefully received, I'm working blind here, have absolutely
> zero experience or knowledge of video production on this era of Macintosh!
computer. On the old PowerMac you can use Avid VideoShop or maybe an
old version of Adobe Premiere, possibly even an old version of iMovie
if you've got OS X installed as well.
Stephen Thomas Cole
Mar 22, 2015, 6:11:20 AM3/22/15
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solution work with no joy whatsoever. Hardware it is. Where I'm thinking
towards now is having a second PowerMac 9600 set up with the Media100
board, dongle and software running on it and feeding the video from the
first PowerMac 9600 to it via S-Video (it has a Radeon 9200 video card, so
has VGA, DVI and S-Video outputs). I like the sound of that, if I can get
it to work. Suitably masochistic and wholly "vintage". My main concern is
capturing high quality, stutter-free video so fingers crossed this does the
job.
Another option might be buying an ElGato USB capture device and doing the
capture on my bleeding-edge, brand-new MBP. Probably infinitely easier but
it'd be great to do it wholly using vintage gear.
>
>> Any advice gratefully received, I'm working blind here, have absolutely
>> zero experience or knowledge of video production on this era of Macintosh!
>
> The best approach would be to edit the video on a newer / faster
> computer. On the old PowerMac you can use Avid VideoShop or maybe an
> old version of Adobe Premiere, possibly even an old version of iMovie
> if you've got OS X installed as well.
vintage, big box productivity software, and I would certainly prefer to do
the whole production on the old computers. First things first, though, I'll
figure out the capture before worrying about post!
Your Name
Mar 22, 2015, 4:18:26 PM3/22/15
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In article <mem4el$c3p$1...@dont-email.me>, Stephen Thomas Cole
<use...@stephenthomascole.com> wrote:
<snip>
although finding something if you don't know the name can be difficult.
http://macintoshgarden.org/
<use...@stephenthomascole.com> wrote:
<snip>
>
> Probably infinitely easier but it'd be great to do it wholly using
> vintage gear.
>
> >
> >> Any advice gratefully received, I'm working blind here, have absolutely
> >> zero experience or knowledge of video production on this era of Macintosh!
> >
> > The best approach would be to edit the video on a newer / faster
> > computer. On the old PowerMac you can use Avid VideoShop or maybe an
> > old version of Adobe Premiere, possibly even an old version of iMovie
> > if you've got OS X installed as well.
>
> I have VideoShop and Premiere for OS9, I went through a spell of collecting
> vintage, big box productivity software, and I would certainly prefer to do
> the whole production on the old computers. First things first, though, I'll
> figure out the capture before worrying about post!
Macintosh Garden has a huge collection of old 'abandoned' software,
> Probably infinitely easier but it'd be great to do it wholly using
> vintage gear.
>
> >
> >> Any advice gratefully received, I'm working blind here, have absolutely
> >> zero experience or knowledge of video production on this era of Macintosh!
> >
> > The best approach would be to edit the video on a newer / faster
> > computer. On the old PowerMac you can use Avid VideoShop or maybe an
> > old version of Adobe Premiere, possibly even an old version of iMovie
> > if you've got OS X installed as well.
>
> I have VideoShop and Premiere for OS9, I went through a spell of collecting
> vintage, big box productivity software, and I would certainly prefer to do
> the whole production on the old computers. First things first, though, I'll
> figure out the capture before worrying about post!
although finding something if you don't know the name can be difficult.
http://macintoshgarden.org/
Mike Dee
Mar 27, 2015, 6:03:12 PM3/27/15
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Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:
> I have VideoShop and Premiere for OS9, I went through a spell of
> collecting vintage, big box productivity software, and I would
> certainly prefer to do the whole production on the old computers.
> First things first, though, I'll figure out the capture before
> worrying about post!
An interesting thread here, esp. post by "Gary""
> I have VideoShop and Premiere for OS9, I went through a spell of
> collecting vintage, big box productivity software, and I would
> certainly prefer to do the whole production on the old computers.
> First things first, though, I'll figure out the capture before
> worrying about post!
http://macintoshgarden.org/forum/screen-recording-software
Plus a couple of classic software possibilities...
http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/spectator-10
http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/snapz-pro-2
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dee
Your Name
Mar 27, 2015, 7:57:16 PM3/27/15
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In article <XnsA46B5C24...@emteedee.invalid>, Mike Dee
I don't know if it's that topic, but one of the topics at Macintosh
Garden said they were having stuttery recording using Snapz Pro 2, so I
didn't bother saying to try that ... otherwise that would probably have
been my first guess to try.
Garden said they were having stuttery recording using Snapz Pro 2, so I
didn't bother saying to try that ... otherwise that would probably have
been my first guess to try.
Mike Dee
Mar 27, 2015, 9:21:37 PM3/27/15
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to using Snapz on SheepShaver which was causing the problem. By using
it on Basilisk II it solved the jerkiness & recording issues.
But I dunno. Having not used this software for recording desktop
movements before. Its just a possibility and YMMV depending on the
hardware and OS you use it on.
I think Gary's comments in the linked thread above are more relevant.
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dee
Jolly Roger
Mar 27, 2015, 9:49:39 PM3/27/15
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On 2015-03-28, Mike Dee <mik...@emteedee.invalid> wrote:
Hopefully you guys will do the same.
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> Your Name wrote:
>
>> I don't know if it's that topic, but one of the topics at
>> Macintosh Garden said they were having stuttery recording using
>> Snapz Pro 2, so I didn't bother saying to try that ... otherwise
>> that would probably have been my first guess to try.
>
> I think I read something like that there too, only it was in relation
> to using Snapz on SheepShaver which was causing the problem. By using
> it on Basilisk II it solved the jerkiness & recording issues.
>
> But I dunno. Having not used this software for recording desktop
> movements before. Its just a possibility and YMMV depending on the
> hardware and OS you use it on.
>
> I think Gary's comments in the linked thread above are more relevant.
I'll try to remember to post a reply here if I get around to trying it.
>
>> I don't know if it's that topic, but one of the topics at
>> Macintosh Garden said they were having stuttery recording using
>> Snapz Pro 2, so I didn't bother saying to try that ... otherwise
>> that would probably have been my first guess to try.
>
> I think I read something like that there too, only it was in relation
> to using Snapz on SheepShaver which was causing the problem. By using
> it on Basilisk II it solved the jerkiness & recording issues.
>
> But I dunno. Having not used this software for recording desktop
> movements before. Its just a possibility and YMMV depending on the
> hardware and OS you use it on.
>
> I think Gary's comments in the linked thread above are more relevant.
Hopefully you guys will do the same.
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Stephen Thomas Cole
Apr 6, 2015, 4:12:31 AM4/6/15
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resolution/number of colours, or saving to internal HD or fast SCSI RAID
tower. CameraMan the same.
> I think Gary's comments in the linked thread above are more relevant.
Media100 board system up in a *second* PM 9600 and intend to send video
from the first 9600 to it from the S-Video port on its Radeon 9200 graphics
board. Hit a stumbling block when installing the Media100 board and it
stopped the computer seeing the SCSI board that the RAID tower is now
hooked to. Will persevere.
Stephen Thomas Cole
Apr 6, 2015, 4:12:31 AM4/6/15
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all software-driven recording ends up a stuttering mess. It's really
annoying, the user guides for the programs make grand claims about being
able to record screen as .mov to use in tutorials, website videos etc, but
it's just crap!
Stephen Thomas Cole
Apr 6, 2015, 4:12:31 AM4/6/15
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